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| Albert is that kid in episode 2, isn't he? |
| I'm so confused. He looks like an older Rafal. Was it supposed to be around before he discovered heliocentrism? What is going on... |
| I don't want to paint my eyes with an unexpected but truly incredible vision. Still, I want to believe, but I know it can't be possible. Rafal is dead. Nowak himself saw him burn. And knowing all this... who is this Rafal? When he appeared, I was stunned, as if I had seen a ghost. For all that I have learned throughout this masterpiece, manifestations and representations shape the reality that drives us forward: not to be forgotten by history, but to know that earth, blood and sky remember you. One could say that the Rafal we see is the continuation of a legacy, the persistence of a growing knowledge. Or maybe... this leaves me even more confused and shocked. I never expected to meet a Rafal who looks about 17, 18 or 19 years old? It's too much to take in. The gathering of scholars left me speechless, filling me with an indescribable sense of fascination. Just watching the flames of knowledge emerge from so many voices left me in awe, realizing that, today, most people only engage in yes-or-no discussions. I'm not criticizing society-although there is much to criticize-but the contrast between these two eras is so great, and ours always seems the smaller. I can't believe that the next episode is already the last one. This anime has left me with so many emotions. |
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| Ehhhhhh ... I wouldn't have guessed about the alternate timeline, because that just seems really fucking random, but I'm fine if that's how they choose to tie the story in and end on a happier note, because this series is god damn depressing as fuck. Also, I have no clue where the whole "Kingdom of P" versus "Kingdom of Poland" thing comes into play, never seen that shit anywhere. lmao |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| The story in Poland is underway, and Rafal... is here? Are things going full circle? It's worthy of note that the past twenty-three episodes took place in the "Kingdom of P", where here, it takes place in Poland. It's honestly quite fitting for the anime to go this route, to start with Rafal's story, and also end with Rafal. Albert seems like he's based on Albert Brudzewski, who is the teacher of Copernicus, who was a main figure in the study of heliocentrism in the real world. Still, I was a bit shocked to see Rafal in this world, especially after what happened in the last episode. I don't have many expectations for the finale, but it'll be an interesting one for sure, and I hope this wonderful anime ends on a good note. |
| So Albert said that his dad's demise was because of his interest in books. And short flashback to his death (?) when Albert observed night sky. Also Rafal was Albert's teacher - I think that Rafal's story (heretic) might be still in tact and that caused some issues for Albert's family. That's why Albert does not want to pursue studies anymore. That would explain current timeline. Rafal does look older but I hope they wouldn't go with parallel universes and have more straightforward connection. My random theory is that everything before was retold similarly to Oczy's book that's why there are some liberties taken and some age/details discrepancies to current historical timeline. |
MyetxMar 8, 10:43 PM
| Wow, they changed the OP. No more character' sketches. Plus, we're back at the early timestamp of this series. not sure how it will relate to the last episode when Draka (presumably) died. or how this series will wrap itself with one more eps to go. |
Reply to arc1only
@MegamiRem From what I've read, it seems like all the episodes until now have been "fiction" which obviously they are, and it was also taking place in "Kingdom of P" , but end of last episode with albert intro it said "Kingdom of Poland" now. Albert is an actual person in history, and was the teacher of Nicolaus Copernicus. If this story is doing what I think its doing, then we just fully switched up the story and now its trying to be history accurate. It makes sense considering Heliocentrism was never persecuted by the church in history in the first place. So technically in reality, Rafal, Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta, Novak, never died because Heliocentrism wasn't considered heresy. In the words of Novak, none of them are even real/known to history. Looks like the author decided Rafal is Alberts tutor
| @arc1only "....Heliocentrism was never persecuted by the church in history in the first place. ..." Wait, they never were? |
| It's nice to have all the mcs in the opening. |
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Reply to Pethaas
Guys uhh....
tf is happening?
To be fair, this has been one of my favorites for the season (and the last), but... What? What are they doing? Why are they messing with different realities all of a sudden?
I really want to cement this anime in my top 10, but im afraid they'll mess this up badly.
Manga readers, does it have a bad ending?
tf is happening?
To be fair, this has been one of my favorites for the season (and the last), but... What? What are they doing? Why are they messing with different realities all of a sudden?
I really want to cement this anime in my top 10, but im afraid they'll mess this up badly.
Manga readers, does it have a bad ending?
| @Pethaas There's nothing good or bad about the ending, it's just facts and fiction mixed together to form something that's both easier to understand and interesting to watch. Personally, I liked the ending (very neutral). First half of next episode should make things more clear, about whether it's actually the Rafal we know or not. |
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| 1 more episode ): RAFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL is this an alternate timeline or idk? rafal looks different lmao |
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| our nig rafal is immortal. |
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| New mc and a modified opening. So we go back in time because Rafal mentored the mc when he was still a child. I find it hard to believe that Rafal was able to do so when he was researching heliocentrism so what we are being shown are probably even before Rafal started his work on heliocentrism. Regardless, he was such a huge influence on the young child. I dislike his father's utilitarian approach on knowledge. Plus we get tiny bits of ideas from ancient philosophers. |
| And when I thought this anime already gave us everything that we could ever imagine, it goes a step further, and literally brings us Rafal back from the dead. I think next episode will explain what is exactly going on. I have 2 ideas of what is happening. The 1st theory is that we are seeing an alternate world, where knowledge wasn't sanctioned by the Church, and therefore Rafal never needed to sacrifice is life, since they weren't going after him in the first place. So, Rafal just ended up growing up, and we are seeing a timeline around the time where Oczy and Badeni first show up. I think this is heavily mentioned by Rafal in this episode, when he says he got inspired, because there are others beyond the stars, which is really pointing out for this outcome. Not only that, but the fact that last episode they said we were seeing Albert in "The Kingdom of Poland" and not "Kingdom of P", like the rest of the anime. My other theory is that this Rafal is not really Rafal, but a personafication of the Inspiration that Rafal gave people when he sacreficed himself back in episode 3. This way, we're seeing the results of the decision that Rafal did back in episode 3. His sacrifice lead to everything that happened in the anime so far, and in these 2 final episodes we're seeing the final result: a place where the Church doesn't reprise knowledge no more, and people can actually embrace new ideas, having actual public reunions (I suppose they're public, because the room was quite fancy), where they discuss what before would be considered "Blasphemous" ideas. And this Rafal we're seeing is just a way to show us that those feelings of inspiration and hope are still felt in the world, just like Rafal predicted in episode 3, when he said that if he died for his cause, it would create a force much stronger than whatever he could do in his lifetime: Inspiration. I really doubt it they are throwing a curve ball and revealing at the end that Rafal was never dead to begin with. Now, the question remains: what happened to Albert to give up on pursuing knowledge? We know his dead was killed (revealed early in the episode), but by who and why? Was Rafal the reason his dad got killed? I just love how this anime reached the 24th episode and was like "ok, let me just introduce a whole new character, with its own backstory, 2 episodes before the anime ends, and bring along the character that died right at episode 3". The narrative in this anime really took so many risks, and that's what makes this anime so unique, because so far, they all payed off, and I'm completely hooked for this final episode to know what is really happening here. The opening is also different! I think the biggest change is the end, with Albert holding the little wood sphere thing that Rafal got from Humbert, because if I'm not mistaken, even after the opening changed to Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta and Draka, the one that hold this sphere in the end was always Rafal. But this time around they changed it, so that must be indicating something important. And it's kinda crazy we actually see Albert in the opening, he was there ever since they changed the opening for the 2nd cour. But I have to confess that I'm really sad that this journey is comming to an end. We have only 1 episode left. Watching this every Saturday (Sunday sometimes, like today), every week, and seeing the story unfold was such a great experience, that I will for sure miss! Hearing the opening while writing this just gives me the chills. I feel like next episode is going to be quite big, and I'm sure they are going to give us a really good finale, for this iconic anime. This anime started with a 8, quickly rose to a 9, and now I just can't see myself giving it less than a 10. I'm so glad I caught up on this anime early, and started watching it since Day 1! |
Reply to shuffle_017
@arc1only
Wait, they never were?
"....Heliocentrism was never persecuted by the church in history in the first place. ..."
Wait, they never were?
| @shuffle_017 Not really, no. There's a common misconception that Galileo was persecuted because of his ideas about heliocentrism, but it was mostly because he was a huge prick about it, despite not being able to prove the theory. Religious leaders actually urged Copernicus to publish his findings on heliocentrism, because he was far more modest about it, and had a greater understanding of it. Of course, this is just an abbreviation of the cliffnotes, there's a lot more to the story. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to rennkinjutsushi
I have so many thoughts, how I gave up on thinking Rafał was alive, how can he be alive and IF he STILL is, how he looks older and how it can bring a whole new meaning in the final episode, wondering how the timeline looks now (I will need to check all the time skips), how this is the first time the last opening scene change, from the necklace on Rafał's open palm disappearing to Albert opening his fist to reveal it, as if he started walking in Rafał's footsteps
How the second ending showed us someone pointing at the night sky
And how we have an addition now, of Rafał, Albert and his dad...
How the second ending showed us someone pointing at the night sky
And how we have an addition now, of Rafał, Albert and his dad...
| @rennkinjutsushi Ohh, I actually thought the wood sphere thing appeared before too. This makes this change to the opening even more intriguing. Is it really pointing out the "passing of the torch", that this anime talked so much about, or is it about the fact that maybe the timeline we have seen so far didn't really exist? And the ending change was also quite subtle, yet it seems to be quite symbolic too! |
| Chi—or knowledge—is the central protagonist here, and I love how this episode ties the pursuit of knowledge to the past, especially the classical Greek era, and moves it forward through time. This is very much in line with the essence of Orb: carrying curiosity from one generation to the next, passing the torch along the way. It’s woven into our DNA, just as arete is. Only we can discover what we excel at—what we can turn into both a livelihood and a passion. It perfectly conveys the idea of finding one’s own “ikigai.” Deeper layers of Chi episodes through in-depth discussions and reviews https://www.youtube.com/@SriMoriReaction |
| Those who have seen the "meeting" venue |
| I'm assuming that if the prior 23 episodes of the show up until the last few minutes of episode 23, last episode, took place in "not-Poland" or "technically not Poland", but this Polish-modeled Kingdom of P locale, and now we're in proper medieval Poland/Earth/our current universe and historical timeline as known, that it's some parallel universe shenanigans going on. Not so much that the young Rafal hopped universes by some means as with some characters in other series (won't get into examples right now due to spoilers), but that "this" Rafal never had all the exact same experiences we previously saw befall the other Rafal and his life in this universe allowed him to grow to adulthood free of the threat of imprisonment, torture, legal and/or religious persecution, and so on, because the rules are different here. And there is another version of him with the same name, appearance, and personality in the way that there might be another, a few trillion, or near-infinite alternative versions of every person or creature, place, and thing (within the context of everyone and everything within the world of this series or it's even an idea and concept you could apply to real life) in accordance with multiverse theory where every single quantum event could cause a branching off into another parallel universe. I'm not going to get overly absorbed into theorizing about it right now or reading the theories of others as, like the number of universes potentially out there, it's kind of an infinite rabbit hole and I'd rather just wait for it to unfold and let happen what happens, come what may. |
| It felt a bit unnatural to hear Rafal with that girly voice but it really didnt feel uhmmm accurate - unlike when he was a kid |
| This kinda reminds me a bit of the ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion and also the ending to the latest Attack on Titan movie. These sort of mindfuck “what if” endings bring back memories of early 2000s and late 90s anime titles. Anyways I think the mangaka has a point to be made for why this is all happening. But, regardless, I think the ending to Orb is going to be divisive. |
Reply to LostSpectre
@shuffle_017 Not really, no. There's a common misconception that Galileo was persecuted because of his ideas about heliocentrism, but it was mostly because he was a huge prick about it, despite not being able to prove the theory. Religious leaders actually urged Copernicus to publish his findings on heliocentrism, because he was far more modest about it, and had a greater understanding of it. Of course, this is just an abbreviation of the cliffnotes, there's a lot more to the story.
| @LostSpectre ouh, noted. thanks! |
| Im not sure I like where this is going but id hold my judgment till the end. If this is another universe or planet I think I get what the intent is. LostSpectre said: @shuffle_017 Not really, no. There's a common misconception that Galileo was persecuted because of his ideas about heliocentrism, but it was mostly because he was a huge prick about it, despite not being able to prove the theory. Religious leaders actually urged Copernicus to publish his findings on heliocentrism, because he was far more modest about it, and had a greater understanding of it. Of course, this is just an abbreviation of the cliffnotes, there's a lot more to the story. Sounds like not the best phrasing because it isn't unrelated. His charges were for his view but only pursued because the pope was offended how his views were presented and basically forced Galileo to recant his views upon threat of torture so he didnt feel he lost a debate lol It's kind of funny how personal it was. |
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| The sudden change confused me and seeing Rafal would be the biggest surprise. Maybe the priest is Badeni or someone we already know? It looks like the story has shifter towards a real person, Albert. I'm excited to see how they end the season with only the 1 episode remaining. |
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| What is the point of the alternative universe if both of them take place in Poland's real history? Rather than messing around the characters long gone before, the mangaka should have just covered the story of Copernicus in the rest of the series. |
| If this really is going where people claim it is going its just a massive random wrap up that makes no sense whatsoever and kinda undermines everything series did so far. Not a big fan and would prefer if this ended with Nowak dying with a huge time skip to present day where people know the truth or something. We will see |
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Reply to H_Erifu
What is the point of the alternative universe if both of them take place in Poland's real history? Rather than messing around the characters long gone before, the mangaka should have just covered the story of Copernicus in the rest of the series.
| @H_Erifu Huh? The "kingdom of P" is not at all historically accurate to the real Poland. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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