Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai Episode 10 Discussion

The whiplash between the really comedic part and the super heavy part is too much, as was the change in attitudes of the characters. Their entire being seems to depend on such a flimsy impulse. I though this episode was a bit of disaster

She did go behind her back because she’d already agreed to work with Yukine prior to telling or even talking to Kano. The call with Kano was just to let her know and get the guilt off her consciousness. She was locked in to the agreement already.

I’m not debating this again tho, argued with mfs all weekend in the last episode thread so if you want more info as to why she was moving snakey, read that.

I don't get all the Mahiru slander since last episode and can't believe it continue to this one.
FYI, the only reason Mahiru had to challenge herself by taking outside work is because she won't improve if she kept getting attached to Kano. It's not Yukine sweet-word that made Mahiru wanted to try the job, it's because Kano ignored the flaw in Mahiru drawing (the crooked arm which she desperately fixing at that moment) while Yukine realized and pointed it out right away.

Mahiru didn't want to keep staring Kano's back but instead walk right next to her.


That aside, I thought Kano has been a Yamanouchi since she follow her father after Yukine's divorce, turns out she has been a Hayakawa until she left the Sundolls.

Dear lord, no wonder you consider Mahiru's behavior "snakey". You don't even remember what happened right after watching the episode!!!

Mahiru DID NOT AGREE to work with Yukine prior to talking with Kano! There was NO AGREEMENT in place! How did you get this basic fact so wrong right after watching episode 9??? She specifically called her beforehand telling her that she was contacted by Yukine with a commission request from her. Mahiru literally tells Kano "I haven't responded yet." to the commission request.

She also tells Kano "I'm going to go hear about the details on the weekend but it wouldn't be right to go without telling you". Mahiru then agrees to the project after hearing the details and tells the rest of the group of her decision on taking this job. She doesn't actually say out loud her agreement to Yukine, but at the end of her explanation for the project and why she picked Mahiru she tells her "if you work with me, I promise your art will shine even more" and asks her "Won't you think about doing this together?" Mahiru's answer is cut off, with an image of Kano over her mom, with Yukine saying "Good answer. I have high hopes for you." showing that Mahiru just accepted the request right then.

Feel free to triple down on being wrong if you'd like, but I strongly encourage you to rewatch episode 9 first. None of this is to say that what Mahiru did was ok, but your understanding of what happened is so far off that it is impacting your interpretation of the story itself.

@Seansy
Actually there is a bit more to add. The line from Yukine is a mistranslation. What she said is "I expect a good answer", because there is a bit of a pause between いい返事 and 期待している, the subs misunderstood it.

Which is why when Mahiru talks with everyone at the end of the episode, she says "she wants to take the job" instead of "I took the job. So she actually went to talk with everyone before giving the answer, even if she personally was pretty much decided she would be taking it.

So at most what she did wrong is wanting to take the job that would result in her not being able to do work for the mv to release in new year as they wanted, but no one else besides Kano sees it as a big deal. They can always delay it by a few days (in ep 4 they pretty much do an mv during an all-nighter on the weekend). Maybe they could talk and see if they can help Mahiru in some way so she may finish the job earlier than expected and still be ready for the jelee release, etc.

I can understand Kano's reaction because of what we learned of her past, but Mahiru didn't know, which is why not only her but also Kiui and Mei were surprised at the reaction back then.

And from Mahiru's words this episode, it seems like she want to work really hard at the job she got to get things done in time to still do the art for the MV keeping the promise, but because of how difficulty it will be, she thinks trying to tell Kano that now would sound untruthful, so she will want to bring results instead. And even thought Kano words was hurtful to her, her being happy at listening to the live and kano being back in the feet shows that she still is able to keep her mind in the right place and understand that was something said in the heat of the moment.

Which is why Kano herself doesn't really mention yoru not being available for the new year as a reason she is down at all. Instead she is down because she realized she still wanted validation from her mom even after being abandoned, and regret about the words she told Mahiru. While Kano said that about using Mahiru, I don't think she was doing it, at least consciously / in a manipulative way. But more like, getting really attached while keeping her strong worry about being abandoned again.

speechless...I don't know whether I should be happy or sad when I saw this episode. Frankly, I'm happy because Mei managed to at least save Jelee from being disbanded, even though I'm actually a little disappointed because Mahiru barely did anything in this episode.


Actually, if I'm honest, I would prefer if the person who saved Jelee was Mahiru herself. However, Mei was the one who did it. From the first episode, I really like the chemistry between Mahiru and Kano, even now. I'm a little worried that Kano x Mahiru is starting to fade. I know Mei is the MVP in this episode, but rather than Kano x Mei I still prefer Kano x Mahiru.


In the next episode it looks like Kiui will be the main star. and if Mahiru later decides to save Kiui, I think that just makes everything ridiculous and absurd. How come when Kano needs help, Mahiru decides not to do anything, but when Kiui is in trouble, Mahiru actually comes to save her.


I still hope that in the last episode Kano and Mahiru can "reconcile" again. I want to see Mahiru's reaction when she realizes what really happened to Kano and her past because if everything ends like now this anime will just look like a "yuri twist ntr" because mei was the one who managed to make kano want to sing again. and that person is not Mahiru/yoru.


Doga Kobo please stop toying with us, don't let this anime end with Kano and Mahiru's relationship hanging. they both are the reason I watched this anime

Give Miyuri Shimabukuro a freakin award or something for this episode, damn. Her performance as Mei in this episode was simultaneously hilarious, heartbreaking and incredibly sweet, especially at the end.

@Seansy
Actually there is a bit more to add. The line from Yukine is a mistranslation. What she said is "I expect a good answer", because there is a bit of a pause between いい返事 and 期待している, the subs misunderstood it.

Which is why when Mahiru talks with everyone at the end of the episode, she says "she wants to take the job" instead of "I took the job. So she actually went to talk with everyone before giving the answer, even if she personally was pretty much decided she would be taking it.

So at most what she did wrong is wanting to take the job that would result in her not being able to do work for the mv to release in new year as they wanted, but no one else besides Kano sees it as a big deal. They can always delay it by a few days (in ep 4 they pretty much do an mv during an all-nighter on the weekend). Maybe they could talk and see if they can help Mahiru in some way so she may finish the job earlier than expected and still be ready for the jelee release, etc.

I can understand Kano's reaction because of what we learned of her past, but Mahiru didn't know, which is why not only her but also Kiui and Mei were surprised at the reaction back then.

And from Mahiru's words this episode, it seems like she want to work really hard at the job she got to get things done in time to still do the art for the MV keeping the promise, but because of how difficulty it will be, she thinks trying to tell Kano that now would sound untruthful, so she will want to bring results instead. And even thought Kano words was hurtful to her, her being happy at listening to the live and kano being back in the feet shows that she still is able to keep her mind in the right place and understand that was something said in the heat of the moment.

Which is why Kano herself doesn't really mention yoru not being available for the new year as a reason she is down at all. Instead she is down because she realized she still wanted validation from her mom even after being abandoned, and regret about the words she told Mahiru. While Kano said that about using Mahiru, I don't think she was doing it, at least consciously / in a manipulative way. But more like, getting really attached while keeping her strong worry about being abandoned again.

@chaosprophet

I appreciate your clarification on the translation. That makes sense.

I also 100% agree with your interpretation of events. Well said!

It's why the Mahiru hate and related misunderstandings of what is happening in the show frustrate me so much. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing how the story unfolds over the last 2 episodes.

speechless...I don't know whether I should be happy or sad when I saw this episode. Frankly, I'm happy because Mei managed to at least save Jelee from being disbanded, even though I'm actually a little disappointed because Mahiru barely did anything in this episode.


Actually, if I'm honest, I would prefer if the person who saved Jelee was Mahiru herself. However, Mei was the one who did it. From the first episode, I really like the chemistry between Mahiru and Kano, even now. I'm a little worried that Kano x Mahiru is starting to fade. I know Mei is the MVP in this episode, but rather than Kano x Mei I still prefer Kano x Mahiru.


In the next episode it looks like Kiui will be the main star. and if Mahiru later decides to save Kiui, I think that just makes everything ridiculous and absurd. How come when Kano needs help, Mahiru decides not to do anything, but when Kiui is in trouble, Mahiru actually comes to save her.


I still hope that in the last episode Kano and Mahiru can "reconcile" again. I want to see Mahiru's reaction when she realizes what really happened to Kano and her past because if everything ends like now this anime will just look like a "yuri twist ntr" because mei was the one who managed to make kano want to sing again. and that person is not Mahiru/yoru.


Doga Kobo please stop toying with us, don't let this anime end with Kano and Mahiru's relationship hanging. they both are the reason I watched this anime

Hands down one of the best episodes I’ve seen in a very long time. I just don’t know where to start with this one. I’m done fighting the recency bias tho, this show’s going in my top 5 all time.

First of all, shoutout to Kiui and Mei for filling in for Kano’s cafe shifts. Real ass friends, sadly they’re retarded and were awful fits for the job 💀 Mei over here freaking out because the customers ordered a “kiss” and Kiui too socially awkward to take orders lmao.

Kano taking some time to be by herself and find out why she wants to sing is valid. After basically being put on this career path as a way to please her mom and then that whole fall out, she hasn’t really had time to sit and sort it out. I still feel so bad for her breakdown last week.

Mahiru up to 100k followers herself now.. good for her ig.. still a snake for last week’s stuff 🤷🏾‍♂️

We finally get to see present day Mero.. ngl man she fine as hell. Love girls who dress like her. Mei stalking her at the cafe window and karaoke had me crying tho. There’s no way you should be this good at hunting people down 😭 she’s like one of them idol stalkers who check the reflection in idols’ eyes on their posts to find them.

Was kinda important that she did that though because Mero told her about how she and Kano were singing for Yukine’s sake.

Shame on the losers talking shit about Kano in class. Don’t blame her for walking out at all. Can’t escape the drama at home or at school, gotta feel suffocating.

Mei waiting outside Kano’s apartment for her “friend” not her “idol” was a great scene. Set up Kano coming clean about how she’d “used” Mahiru for her gain as well. The problem I have with this tho is it’s nowhere near what her mom was doing with she and the other girls. Also, even with that, it still don’t make what Mahiru was doing last week ok.

Like sure, they’re both flawed people but one person is clearly more wrong here. Again, doesn’t mean Mahiru is a horrible person. Just don’t fw what she did at all with going behind Kano and working with Yukine 🤷🏾‍♂️

FORGET ALL THAT THO. The end of this episode was magnificent, sensational, whatever synonym you wanna use I was shaken to the core. Mei is the real MVP of this series rn. I know she a lil slow but she has a heart of gold and literally saved JELEE and Kano with her horrible singing lmaoo. But it reached her idol and that’s all that matters. PLUS “you have to take responsibility for making me fall in love with you” oh my god I LOVE YURI.

Amazing episode I’m shook.

@rheasilvia @leonardobarba

I'm with both of you on the Majiru hate. She couldn't fix the issue with Kano because it would come off as disingenuous given that she is working on the project for Yukine. It was a great way to let Mei's character shine for once since she has been my least favorite character of the 4 thus far. Using her love for Kano as a way to get through to her and keep the group together was a beautiful scene to watch. People acting like Mahiru doesn't care about JELEE anymore as she is literally listening to the livestream while she is working lmao.

It often feels like I am watching a different show when I read some of the comments on these episode discussions. People miss so many details in the show and act confused as to why things are happening a certain way when it is literally explained within the episodes themselves if you pay attention. Doesn't mean you have to like what the show is doing or anything, but if you misunderstand what is happening entirely because you weren't paying attention that's a you problem, not an issue with the show itself.

No one going to talk about Kiui's identity being leaked? Seems no one cares to discuss that tbh

Seems everyone is focusing way too much on hating over the melodrama, it was obvious they were going this route, this never looked like "cute girls doing cute things" to me, I was just waiting on when they'd drop a problem for the group to fight over and this is it. I would have preferred if they had started developing the drama since episode 5 or 6 to make it less forced, but at least there's *something* going on.

Mei's singing was absolutely hilarious, and I loved Kiui rushing for Kano because she would not have responded or watched the stream otherwise. Weird that Mahiru didn't say anything this episode tho, I would have expected her to at least be in contact with Kiui over the band's situation. Hopefully next episode touches on Mahiru more.