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Jan 3, 2014 5:03 PM
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It was a really good episode and i can only hope that Nadeko still manages to get some sort of happy ending instead of being the forever alone villain because lets face it she is not the first girl to try and kill Araragi or even hurt him, so i can only hope that in the end she can gain some happiness.

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This is my favorite arc so far. Great character development btw.
THAT TRAILER!! Really can't wait for Koimonogatari.
That conversation with Senjougahara in the phone was quite interesting lol. Enjoying this arc very much
Also i read some spoilers in previous posts and just.. wow.
Jan 5, 2014 2:19 AM

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Aw... I just don't know how to react
Dat trailer xD
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Ugh Shinobu stabbed over and over and over.. poor her.
Nadeko yandere and snake-god, hehe, she wants to kill everybody.
Jan 8, 2014 1:39 PM

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Great episode!

That girl is crazy! I wonder if the last few minutes after the ED is actually a preview or her imagination again.

Looking forward tot his.
Jan 9, 2014 9:59 AM

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Holy shit...this episode was pure Epicness.
Nadeko transform into a monster and her becoming a god oddities is because of her emotional pattern that is so twisted...those are insane and so is Nadeko stabbing Shinobu : I ain't forgiving you Nadeko.
Hitagi phone call was scary ( I'll kill you and everyone ) Nadeko a piece of advice you can belive Hitagi she'll kill everyone ^^.
Jan 16, 2014 11:52 PM

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Holy fucking shit at what just happened... What the hell. Damn, my cute little Nadeko just turned completely batshit crazy :(. And the way she went about stabbing Shinobu like nothing was tough to watch. Poor Shinobu. I've gotta admit I am pretty damn scared of her now and that "trailer" as well. Oh god it better not end like the way she imagines it to end.

Senjougahara is the best.
Jan 18, 2014 5:21 PM

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A true yandere I must say! Pretty lovely episode so let's see what's next!
Jan 19, 2014 9:56 PM

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I think instead of killing Gahara, Shinobu, then Araragi in that order, it should be Shinobu, Gahara, then Araragi

If Nadeko killed Hitagi first, Araragi would get way too pissed to beat, but if she killed Shinobu first, Araragi, who would turn back into a full human, could easily be squashed. Thus Sengoku, with her powers of the snake-god, would be able to kill Senjougahara with ease, and Araragi would have to die knowing he couldn't save his parter or girlfriend. (^ω^)

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As much as a I love a good tragedy, I can't help but think how much more amazing this would have been if they didn't show the end result at the beginning of the arc.
Feb 6, 2014 1:55 PM
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Xerain said:
As much as a I love a good tragedy, I can't help but think how much more amazing this would have been if they didn't show the end result at the beginning of the arc.
That last bit wasn't the end result, Its what Nadeko IMAGINES the end result ill be
Feb 7, 2014 5:29 PM

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This episode really impressed me, I wasn't expecting them to take it this far. Well, it definitely made me like the series more. :)

Nadoke being awesome and yandere was greatness. <3
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Xerain said:
As much as a I love a good tragedy, I can't help but think how much more amazing this would have been if they didn't show the end result at the beginning of the arc.
That last bit wasn't the end result, Its what Nadeko IMAGINES the end result ill be


You misunderstand. I mean the actual definition of a tragedy, as it applies to this plot arc, and this plot arc alone. As in any story where you know that it has a bad ending, and precisely how it ends before you watch it. I'm not referring to Nadeko's obviously delusional preview at the end, but rather the Arc opening up with Nadeko already transformed, then going back to show how she became like that.

As much as I like such mechanics, it defeats Nadeko as an unreliable narrator somewhat. In this particular case, I think I would have preferred to innocently spiral into madness along side her, rather than being put into the position of an onlooker watching a train wreck occur in slow motion.

Though certainly both ways of doing things have their fans.
Feb 12, 2014 12:13 PM

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One of the more anti-climatic endings to something that I've ever seen. By half way thru the episode I was ready for Araragi to chop her head off (yeah...I doubt he'd ever do something like that tho...but I can dream...).

I guess now I have more vested interest in whatever season carries the next part of this arc.

I didn't really care for showing some of the last episode in the first episode of the arc though, if we didn't know that something fucked up was coming up, it would have been quite the turn of events, even though it was already pretty damn epic to begin with though.


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Feb 14, 2014 5:30 AM

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Dramatic overacting won't get you anywhere.
Feb 28, 2014 11:01 PM

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Mar 1, 2014 5:47 PM

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Nadeko is fucking crazy, damn yandere!!!!!! She needs to be put in her place!
Mar 20, 2014 8:38 AM

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Well wise choice Nadeko, i like you more. You being a psychotic god is a much better fate than being left behind in a harem.

But i think this is an extreme case of 'notice me, senpai' kind of problem lol
Apr 15, 2014 8:12 PM

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Shaft, you damn teaser son of a bitch!

...

:(

''I was hearing voices and seeing hallucination'', so basically, she is schizophrenic?

It got dark so fast... Well, not that this arc wasn't dark enough. The thing that intriguing me the most : who is that Ogi Oshino? Why does the niece of Meme seem to be working against him and his disciple, Koyomi?

Anyway, Nadeko have now gone completely crazy. I see no point back, only a bitter and sad ending. But Shaft like to make thing grandiose like in that ''trailer''. I hope my new favorite crazy godess have one crazy party ending! Will be fun :)

That was a close call for Shinobu and Araragi. If it wasn't of Sengouhara, they would have both be dead by now.
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Apr 16, 2014 11:37 PM

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Goddamn, Apparently Nadeko is a crazy bitch. LOVE IT.
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Apr 17, 2014 7:27 PM

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I was saddened by the episode. Haw did her love for Koyomi turn into a rage that makes her want to kill everyone and discard her humanity.

Apr 20, 2014 8:02 PM

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Fuck the autor for tarnishing lovely Sengoku this way. Seriously that is awesome plot turn, totaly unexpected - but it is also a kick in a quad for all Sengoku fans (me included)

About whole 2nd season I have mixed fealings - it is great story and continuation of my beloved anime series, but i absolutly hate how most characters evolve.
Worst is Nadeko - from shy gentle and fragile girl, madly in love in Koyomi - to selfish Psychobitch - I am speachless - THIS is just too cruel. Autor is a masochist and DICK.

And other characters:
Karen - lost her pony - yurusanai
Hanekawa - never liked her but it seams she was turrned down harshly too
Senjougahara - TERIBLE short hair - and she compleatly lost all charm she had - now she is just totaly Yandere without any Dere side ! She is almost female Kaiki by now.
Tsukihi - she doest get any Moe scenes anymore - it is like Autor is concentrating on showing bad sides of the characters now.

But As Much as I love this series - I willl see it through to the end.
Still, I will always tresure in my heat the TRUE Nadeko Sengoku from Bake/Nise Monogatari. !
Apr 21, 2014 11:46 AM

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Angmir said:
Fuck the autor for tarnishing lovely Sengoku this way. Seriously that is awesome plot turn, totaly unexpected - but it is also a kick in a quad for all Sengoku fans (me included)

About whole 2nd season I have mixed fealings - it is great story and continuation of my beloved anime series, but i absolutly hate how most characters evolve.
Worst is Nadeko - from shy gentle and fragile girl, madly in love in Koyomi - to selfish Psychobitch - I am speachless - THIS is just too cruel. Autor is a masochist and DICK.

And other characters:
Karen - lost her pony - yurusanai
Hanekawa - never liked her but it seams she was turrned down harshly too
Senjougahara - TERIBLE short hair - and she compleatly lost all charm she had - now she is just totaly Yandere without any Dere side ! She is almost female Kaiki by now.
Tsukihi - she doest get any Moe scenes anymore - it is like Autor is concentrating on showing bad sides of the characters now.

But As Much as I love this series - I willl see it through to the end.
Still, I will always tresure in my heat the TRUE Nadeko Sengoku from Bake/Nise Monogatari. !


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Apr 27, 2014 1:37 AM

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that last facila expressoin nadeko gave us. man its gonna be intense in six months. keen for the next arc! but not the summary ep X.x
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May 1, 2014 3:37 PM

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Oh, that preview is so hype.
Jun 3, 2014 5:34 PM

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Shit... Nadeko ..WHAT HAVE YOU BECOME!!? OH GOD... you guys need to save her!!
Damn.. now she be came like Medusa herself.
God's venom!!? can't regenerate but ease the pain.
She also become a Yandere !!!
well.. now we all know the truth behind absurd handling of situation by Nadeko.
She got drunk on koyomi for the first time in her life... was jealous and envied on his gf .... got extended knowledge about the shrine and snakes... visits the shrine everyday she said.
It is on her own delusions ... that She planned that revival all along the time!!
A human that became a God... sounds so realistic enough .. its all Ougi's fault btw.
An insane Crazy psycho killing machine + yandere = Sengoku Nadeko.
Lesson... Never mess with Koyomi's Harem .
Nadeko Medusa Ends!!!...
Good Episode at the least.
ED song is amazing !!! OST became GOLD.
"No Pun Intended." WTF IS THAT!? "Coming soon" .
nahh Graduation really. ROFL.
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Jul 13, 2014 9:39 PM

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This episode was fucking amazing. The truth behind how she revived a god was all an imagination created from her mind. I like goddess Nadeko and how insane she could be. I expect a bloody final boss fight next episode.
Aug 1, 2014 10:06 AM

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Watching poor Shinobu's pain was so sad ;_; Nadeko can die for all I care, you don't fucking hurt Shinobu like that :(
Aug 16, 2014 2:41 PM

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This was boring as fuck.
I hate Nadeko.
Aug 17, 2014 7:36 PM

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man I'm glad Shinobu got what she deserved. She acted like a bitch to my waifu.
Nadeko is such a badass yandere now. Not taking all the shit anymore and going full yandere. Don't really get why you guys like Shinobu. Shes such a bitch overall.
Aug 30, 2014 7:39 PM

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so basically Nadeko is final boss at the very end of the monogatari series? seeing how she's gonna face off against araragi/shinobu/senjougahara/hanekawa/kanbaru


a bit odd having a character like Nadeko as final boss though... oh yeah and "Oshino" Ougi
Sep 11, 2014 8:52 PM

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Ah SHIT! this is it! this is what I'm waiting for..
damn I having goosebump just seeing this


But you know that it isn't normal having goosebumps seeing almost dead person? O.o
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Nov 3, 2014 3:42 PM
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Interesting how Nadeko and Hanekawa dealt with their feelings differently.

I hope they keep Nadeko insane* and she remains a heel. One of the better executed heel turns I've seen. Also she and Shinobu don't like each other, do they?

*it's even more sinister as it all seems calculated if you think about it. What's happening now is what she planned and wanted to happen. It's not simply a matter of hidden desire being uncovered.
Jan 4, 2015 6:54 PM

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Jan 7, 2015 11:48 AM

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Poor delusional thing.
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Jan 19, 2015 10:18 PM

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Nadeko a shit, she was one of my favorite characters too.
Mar 3, 2015 8:25 AM

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That ugly bitch psychopath is Nadeko but Koyomi deserved similar treatment, given his stupidity in assessing people.
Not bad storytelling, the final has something funny in itself.
Drawings and animations good.
Apr 2, 2015 6:31 PM

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Only thing this show needed is a crazy yandere. Well we got that. What else is there?
Apr 17, 2015 12:23 PM

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I don't know why but I think Senjougahara really overestimates herself. Does she really think that she can kill a freaking snake girl monster with some staplers and school stationary. Every time she threatens to kill someone (Kaiki, Nadeko, etc) I really think she is one of those guys who watch a Bruce Lee movie and then go to fight only to get their ass handed to them. Anyways it was a pretty good episode.
Evil Nadeko FTW.
Jul 31, 2015 8:30 PM

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Honestly, I was cheering for Nadeko.
Shinobu was such a bitch to her. Such a bitch.
I loved how Nadeko didn't listen and beat them down.

As a quiet girl whose opinions are rarely heard, Nadeko's yandere self was rather satisfying internally. Also, I just love yanderes -- best anime trope, IMO. The personality Nadeko created for Kuchinawa-san provided some great banter as well. Heh, I totally understood that jealousy thing. "Why do you save Shinobu? Why not me?" Honestly, I have lots of dreams where my boyfriend helps another girl, or doesn't pay attention to my own pain. They're always really terrible. I understand Nadeko well.

Senjougahara was smart to trick her like that. But I'm still sad my little precious Nadeko was dissuaded that easily. ^-^ But she's not the MC, unfortunately. Best girl for me, hands down. Hehe, I'll give you all the love you need, Nadeko-chan. Everyone was way too bitchy and deceptive to you in this arc.

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man I'm glad Shinobu got what she deserved. She acted like a bitch to my waifu.
Nadeko is such a badass yandere now. Not taking all the shit anymore and going full yandere. Don't really get why you guys like Shinobu. Shes such a bitch overall.

Yes.
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So she fabricated the entire thing, the talisman and all, and became a snake God. Makes perfect sense to me.

Also, if this anime could stop showing the ending of the arc at the beginning of the arc every single time, that would be great
Aug 16, 2015 9:54 PM

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Wow, they just ended this story arc with a phone call? That's so lame.

1/5
Sep 13, 2015 6:12 AM

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That was a very...gatari-esque way to end things and it was brilliant.

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Sep 30, 2015 5:14 PM

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THe best love is one where the other is dead. Ep15.

Plot: So yeah. Nadeko is part calculating genius, part yandere, and part just plain unlucky. She, with help from Ougi Oshino, staged a plan just like the one that put a curse on her on Koyomi's girlfriend, and in doing so, has turned Nadeko into an Oddity, a god. Kuchinawa was just a delusion, a fantasy brought to life by Nadeko and an excuse to get what she wanted. Using her past crimes, an excuse to be forgiven, it was all just ingredients for a fantasy.

And it is thanks to Senjougahara that they have some time. Six months is all they have left to live.

Character: I am just shocked. Nadeko just went full crazy. She became a god because she couldn't deal with reality and her status quo was broken. This is quite frankly the scariest development to happen...and its so dang cool. That is some crazy development to happen in just a couple of months.

I do kinda hate Ougi now though.

Animation/sound: THe snakes and the battle were great to rewatch. And the ending with "Mousou Express" reprise alongside the fantasy preview for the FInal Boss battle was just icing on the cake.

5/5. The "Bad Guy" won and now its a countdown till the end.


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Oct 17, 2015 6:05 AM

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HLUFSHIT i actually have no words... just AMAZING episode! I feel like rating it a this a 10 even before seeing the rest of the series :X
Oct 20, 2015 5:04 PM

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So, Nadeko changed then? She's a god now? Very unexpected developement. I'm kinda heartbroken old Nadeko is gone but I'm very curious what her future interaction would be.

But it was interesting dialogue in the beginning. It seems she wasn't quite sure how to cope with her previous actions and defend her decision on her own. Didn't quite like Shinobu's meddling though, she already did it before and it felt like she's just jealous.

Interesting that Gaen (from Neko Shiro) gave this talisman to Koyomi, so they really know each other I guess. Maybe all from the old bunch are watching on them but at the same time they want them to grow up by themself and that's why the don't interfere?

Envy. Sometime delusions feels very real.
I really liked the theory that gods are only subconscious images created by one's faith existing solely in people's heart.
The sentence "I think I'm Joan of Arc" got me :D

But the real question here is as to why Oshino Ougi even told her back then, it almost seems like she is everpresent manipulator. We're literally touching origin of all monogataries (stories) here.

In the end, this arc was very interesting way how to use plot device in very original way when you think about it. All events before were just used as decoy for real thing (or so we are meant to think).
But you know, everything could happen even the other way around, with Snake/Nadeko convincing herself so trustfully and fabricating believable lies so skillfully she started believing in it after Snake's explaining dialogue. But no matter how you think about it the first impulse came from Ougi.

And there is also another thing that doesn't fit into her makeup story - it was Karen who cut her hair. She couldn't possible know/plan it beforehand. Because that's where her reasoning changed from victim to culprit.

Nadeko stabbing Shinobu after she was talking about culprits/victims was nice way to show she doesn't want to hear any reason.

In the end, whole story was nice example how people are manipulating and twisting facts to turn them into their own gain.

Selfish, yeah... everyone is selfish, that's a fact. Everyone but Senjougahara. I really wonder why she tried to sacrify for him.
Because knowing her, she was perfectly serious.. Or not? Just buying them some time? (I still remember the way she craftfully made Karen to help Hanekawa just with her words..)

Anyway, their graduation will be very complicated thing as ending trailer would suggest. But don't forget that was only her imagination of it (or rather trolling sneak peak from NisiOisiN).
Nov 23, 2015 12:19 PM

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Well she was kinda crazy from the start. Murdering those snakes no matter the reason was already in a way twisted. Yes, maybe she was desperate but still.


you didnt pay enough attention to this episode, did you?

Chopping those snakes back in bakemonogatari is NOT the cause / trigger of this snake oddity. The cause is actually similar with Hanekawa's case : Jealously and Envy. She loves Koyomi, but later found out he's already taken by Senjogahara. Just like Hanekawa's envyness of nice parents (family) created the White Tiger, Nadeko created the Snake oddity. The chopping up snakes is merely an excuse she came up with. Her mind is pretty fucked up from the start.
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Apparently hardly anything made Nadeko happy in her life except for her love for Koyomi. She spent a long while hoping he could be hers. When she had heard that Koyomi had gotten a girlfriend the realization that it was no longer possible for him to be with her slowly twisted her mind ultimately leading to events of this episode.

Gotta say Senjogahara is incredible at negotiating with people so much that she convinced Snake God Nadeko to hold off slaying Koyomi, Shinobu and herself for six months. Though she knew she wouldn't be able to convince Nadeko to stop killing all together.
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Kind of awesome to see Nadeko get some (even if psychotic) depth and still be a giant macguffin to show how much the characters are nearly all dumb selfish kids.

Shinobu abuse verbally, physically and emotionally Nadeko, she is the most childish, she get trashed by her the most.
Well deserved, payback is always a worst bitch than you can ever be, next time you will think before uncaringly resorting to violence against someone who didn't chose to have massive self-worth issues because you don't like their coping mechanisms.

Koyomi is pitiful here, he never really cared about the girl beyond his own hero complex and when she start becoming dangerous he pretend to care at last, but by then it's too few too late.
And no, a half-assed attempt at parlay then trying to outright kill her is not "help".

Hitagi is less childish but not really an adult either, her last outburst at the end of the phone call says so, even if it's understandable considering the stress she's under.
Basically she knows nothing of Nadeko and still dumbly creates the last straw by crushing the hope spot she just gave her, well done you smartass-pretending insecure.
But she still save the idiots duo's skin, so kudos to her for delaying the end of this farce.

Well all of this is very very good foreshadowing.
I'm a big softie.
Dec 30, 2015 12:22 AM
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If Nadeko lives after the end of this season , this is gonna be worst and best "gatari" for me .
This and Hanekawa arc sucked.
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She has reach a mental state that transcends insanity. She has become a god.
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