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DrSmegma said: coolNotJizzyHitler said: underwhelming compared to the original season? Nothing fucking happened in season 1, though finding this part underhwelming in generla is pretty understandable, this will probably be my least favorite part in the franchise even if im enjoying the fuck out of the past few fights, most of the series was mindless in the bad way and most of the fights were painfully tedious and outright lazy until recently. Part 3 doesn't have any filler, but clearly your brain does you philistine. We get the main crew, establish what stands are, polnareff gets his revenge and bonds with kakyoin, abdul "dies", holly gets standsick, we learn about dio being a dickhead again, learn about the new jojo and his shit. Man, what anime where you watching? Since it clearly wasn't Jojo. That or you're another mongoloid who follows hivemind bs in an attempt to appear intelligent when all you have is fucking filler inside of it. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
NotJizzyHitler said: DrSmegma said: coolPart 3 doesn't have any filler, but clearly your brain does you philistine. We get the main crew, establish what stands are, polnareff gets his revenge and bonds with kakyoin, abdul "dies", holly gets standsick, we learn about dio being a dickhead again, learn about the new jojo and his shit. Man, what anime where you watching? Since it clearly wasn't Jojo. That or you're another mongoloid who follows hivemind bs in an attempt to appear intelligent when all you have is fucking filler inside of it. lmaooo |
NotJizzyHitler said: as ice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4GIJM4lAMDrSmegma said: coolPart 3 doesn't have any filler, but clearly your brain does you philistine. We get the main crew, establish what stands are, polnareff gets his revenge and bonds with kakyoin, abdul "dies", holly gets standsick, we learn about dio being a dickhead again, learn about the new jojo and his shit. Man, what anime where you watching? Since it clearly wasn't Jojo. That or you're another mongoloid who follows hivemind bs in an attempt to appear intelligent when all you have is fucking filler inside of it. |
| Always remember that anime is a niche medium in Japan. Manga sells way better |
| Why people get so mad when someone says something is a filler? They are clearly talking about the concept of having little to do with the plot and it's not really a far stretched use of the term even though they are speaking about something that is canon. Although I find SC amusing for his episodic format and focus on various enemies and battles, I understand why there's people complaining about it for the same reason, especially when Part 1 and 2 are basically a fast-paced action and the main villains are an imminent threat. And really, a lot of things that happened in the first part of SC could be done more quickly. But like I said, I enjoy the whole ride and don't really find any fight really boring or that the silliness ruined it, especially because the whole cast of characters is really fun to watch. |
| The thing about Stardust Crusaders is that you need to look at it like an old school RPG. It's less "filler" and more the characters working their way to the final boss. Actually, Stardust Crusaders inspired a fan-made RPG called "The 7th Stand User" that illustrates that pretty well, having a lengthy journey that lets you fight a bunch of enemies as you prepare for Dio. The fact that no party members permanently die until the endgame also helps matters. I wouldn't recommend playing that game if you want to avoid spoilers for the next three parts, though. |
OverkilledRed said: Why people get so mad when someone says something is a filler? Mainly because after hearing the same complaints in every single thread for over a year, it's gotten really tiresome and annoying. It also doesn't help that every part of Jojo follows the same format so when people pretend SC is the only one with this "issue" (which is not at all an issue), it's even more annoying. It's topped off with the fact that they intentionally use the term incorrectly, more than likely with the intent to shit up the threads given that it constantly irks people and derails discussion. |
KellhusJun 10, 2015 9:06 PM
| Yeah, but the problem is really people overreacting to comments like this. It seems like they get angry with this new audience who it's still trying to understand what JoJo is really about. I don't think that the format of SC is really the core of the problem. As the usual argument goes, Part 3 was just the presentation of Stands and Araki was still getting the hangs of it and learning what they are capable of. And I agree that there's a lot more of creativity on the following parts. I also known some people who adore JoJo, but hate Part 3. So maybe is really an "issue" with SC, but doesn't necessarily means that other parts will get the same criticism. |
Kellhus said: It's topped off with the fact that they intentionally use the term incorrectly, more than likely with the intent to shit up the threads given that it constantly irks people and derails discussion. No, it's used correctly, but you are just a broken record, that only understands one of two extremes, and denies anything else. |
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OverkilledRed said: I also known some people who adore JoJo, but hate Part 3. So maybe is really an "issue" with SC, but doesn't necessarily means that other parts will get the same criticism. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel (although I wouldn't say "hate". It's decent and does a lot of stuff well but does feel lackluster compared to what is yet to come). Stardust Crusaders is the first time Araki incorporates the stand system into his universe and the first time he experiments with a longer format (it's longer than part 1 and 2 combined), so it feels like he was still a bit cautious in how to deliver the fights, what kind of powers to give the stands and how to structure the story. No one is saying you can't like this part more than Battle Tendency or the following parts though, but I don't think it's that difficult to see where the complainers are coming from nor is this simply a case of not liking episodic fights. Not saying that people won't complain about the stand of the week format in the later parts, I don't know that yet, but at least for Stardust Crusaders I can understand the criticism. |
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OverkilledRed said: Yeah, but the problem is really people overreacting to comments like this. Again, it's a repetition thing. It's kind of like a screaming baby in the grocery store. It's not that bad at first, but when you're just there trying to do your business, after listening to it go on and on for several hours, it's difficult not to get aggravated. We're on thread #46 and still people feel the need to post the same complaints almost every single time. It's posted in many other threads too. OverkilledRed said: I also known some people who adore JoJo, but hate Part 3. So maybe is really an "issue" with SC, but doesn't necessarily means that other parts will get the same criticism. It's also known that Part 3 is internationally one of the most popular parts and is basically responsible for the success of the franchise, so it's annoying when people are painting it out to be some black sheep or something when that's not at all the case. Some of said people haven't even read all the manga in the first place and thus don't know what they are talking about regardless. So in my view it's very much of a case of a vocal minority. MAL is pretty much the only place I've seen rabid hate for SC. Or more specifically these forums, given that the manga is rated very high here and is favorited by almost 1000 users. edit: Both seasons of SC have quite favorable ratings as well. |
KellhusJun 11, 2015 4:57 PM
tsudecimo said: Kellhus said: It's topped off with the fact that they intentionally use the term incorrectly, more than likely with the intent to shit up the threads given that it constantly irks people and derails discussion. No, it's used correctly, but you are just a broken record, that only understands one of two extremes, and denies anything else. No, it isn't. You want fillers? Go watch Naruto Shippuuden. Stardust Crusaders doesn't have any fillers. Those fights before Dio weren't with some random people, they all were hired by him to eliminate Jotaro and his team. After every defeat JoJo and friends were moving towards their goal which is to kick Dio's ass. |
| It isn't filler, as the group clearly progress in their journey, actually having a travel route and all. However, it IS completely formulaic, a consequence of Araki experimenting with the Stands, trying something new with the series. The following parts don't follow the formula as much - Part 4 is way better than SC in this aspect, having a much more laid back background, almost slice of life, for instance. |
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| For people complaining about how awful the "Stand of the week" system is, I recommend not watching the series anymore past Part III. Part V and Part VI both follow similar formulas to Part III, which is traveling to new places while fighting enemy Stand Users that the main villain has hired. Part IV is similar, but takes place in one town. Now, I will admit that the main villains of these arcs are more proactive than Dio and tend to show up and fight before the end of the manga, but the same core style of storytelling is there. To be honest, I find the Stand of the Week system to give the stories a lot of needed help. It's nice having a number of minor villains to help carry the story along and show different ways a Stand can be used craftily. Compare that to the minor villains of previous parts: Tarkus and Bruford were defeated when Jonathan basically just went "get rekt" and obliterated them with the Ripple And Santana, ACDC, and Wired Beck were also similarly dispatched. Sure, in the previous two Joseph used a bit more strategy, but it still boiled down to "My Ripple is stronger than you" at the end. |
| Brilliant and that OP was fucking amazing. David Productions really are amazing. |
| Oh god who are you people? |
Hobgoblin2099 said: And Santana, ACDC, and Wired Beck were also similarly dispatched. Sure, in the previous two Joseph used a bit more strategy, but it still boiled down to "My Ripple is stronger than you" at the end. Yeah. Part 2 anime was basically: It's very much the same thing as the SC anime, and other parts in general. But it's not as noticeable because it's very short, and since the story needs to be told quickly, we hear about it more often than in other parts that are much longer (which could be considered a good thing, and I can understand why people would like this more). Phantom Blood and SBR are really the only parts where there the amount of fights and story content is close enough for it to almost not be considered motw, but even then it's pretty borderline. Jojolion has a lot of story too but it's too early to make any judgements there. |
KellhusJun 12, 2015 10:18 AM
MatijaxD said: most of the characters that where introduced still had importance latter on, in SC only a few of them were, etc. That's because the length like I was saying before. If you extend BT to 48 episodes and insert more battles, it's the same thing as SC/other parts. Just seemingly more story, because since it's condensed, it progresses quicker and you see it more frequently. The BT story itself is really no deeper or complex than SC. If SC was jammed into 17 episodes it would have a similar feel. Some people would probably like it better that way too, but personally I'd rather have all the crazy fights. I don't mind waiting for story, and for Jojo action > plot anyway. Character development is basically the same too, except for Polnareff who randomly turns out to be one of the most developed non-Jojo characters in the series. Caesar and the Pillar Men are more or less explained/developed right before their death, similar to Kakyoin and Iggy. Same thing often happens in other parts (see spoiler). |
KellhusJun 12, 2015 3:17 PM
| gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh there's a reason why I stopped my SC binge at this episode ;_________; kakyoin AND joseph fml |
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Kellhus said: You know that point is incredibly null if BT isnt 48 episodes, you inadvertently just said other parts should be shorter.MatijaxD said: most of the characters that where introduced still had importance latter on, in SC only a few of them were, etc. That's because the length like I was saying before. If you extend BT to 48 episodes and insert more battles, it's the same thing as SC/other parts. |
JizzyHitlerJun 12, 2015 5:55 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
NotJizzyHitler said: You know that point is incredibly null if BT isnt 48 episodes, you inadvertently just said other parts should be shorter. Point was was that... well, I already said it. Read my entire post. I love BT but find the short length to be a weakness overall. Would have been even better with more Pillar Men and fights. |
Kellhus said: Hobgoblin2099 said: And Santana, ACDC, and Wired Beck were also similarly dispatched. Sure, in the previous two Joseph used a bit more strategy, but it still boiled down to "My Ripple is stronger than you" at the end. Yeah. Part 2 anime was basically: It's very much the same thing as the SC anime, and other parts in general. But it's not as noticeable because it's very short, and since the story needs to be told quickly, we hear about it more often than in other parts that are much longer (which could be considered a good thing, and I can understand why people would like this more). Phantom Blood and SBR are really the only parts where there the amount of fights and story content is close enough for it to almost not be considered motw, but even then it's pretty borderline. Jojolion has a lot of story too but it's too early to make any judgements there. With all due respect imo you're oversimplifying it by only providing a list of fights. |
Champloo_Remix said: Kellhus said: Yeah. Part 2 anime was basically: It's very much the same thing as the SC anime, and other parts in general. But it's not as noticeable because it's very short, and since the story needs to be told quickly, we hear about it more often than in other parts that are much longer (which could be considered a good thing, and I can understand why people would like this more). Phantom Blood and SBR are really the only parts where there the amount of fights and story content is close enough for it to almost not be considered motw, but even then it's pretty borderline. Jojolion has a lot of story too but it's too early to make any judgements there. With all due respect imo you're oversimplifying it by only providing a list of fights. Just like how people oversimplify Stardust Crusaders by using the same template? I hope the irony isn't lost on any of you. |
GoyitoSatan said: Champloo_Remix said: With all due respect imo you're oversimplifying it by only providing a list of fights. Just like how people oversimplify Stardust Crusaders by using the same template? I hope the irony isn't lost on any of you. Except SC as fun as it is predicated on "a wild pokemon appears" imo, Parts 1 and 2 had a fluid story and natural/non-disjointed character progression. One thing naturally results into another as opposed to isolated events each episode or 2 episode arcs with character progression made evident here and there. SC is fun and I'm enjoying it but in terms of how its telling its story it leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of it is the shock value of stands/new stands and fights scenes which imo were very cool and flash but outside a few lacked the intricacy I found in Battle Tendency's scenes. Again, not saying SC is bad because it's far from it but I can't say anyone should really watch SC for the story or characters. It' something I'd recommend someone more based off action, badassery, and flash/entertainment value of which SC is top notch in all. Off the cuff everything happens naturally and flows from one thing to the next organically. In SC most of the time it can be summed up like Jotaro learns about Stands Holly gets Stand sickness and Dio must be killed in order for her to survive Jojo and the crew leave for Egypt but get forced to take the long way there A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) Character development A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) etc. Jojo and the crew make it to Egypt A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) Character development A wild Stand user appears (because they're on their way to Dio) Jojo and co. make it to Dio's manor and take on his Stand using enforcers Dio/ZA WARUDO |
Champloo_RemixJun 13, 2015 3:49 PM
| I mainly wanted to point out that BT follows the same episodic battle format as SC. I specifically said that the story content is featured more frequently since it's shorter, so there's more urgency to move the plot forward. The story absolutely feels more fluid as a result, I agree with that. But the fact remains it's following the very same template as SC, and it's easy to illustrate that by providing a list of fights. SC plot moves much slower but has way more action. Whether this is a pro or a con depends solely on the preference of the viewer. Personally I'll take all the action over more story time, Jojo is all about the fights for me and it also gives the characters more time to shine. |
Kellhus said: I mainly wanted to point out that BT follows the same episodic battle format as SC. I specifically said that the story content is featured more frequently since it's shorter, so there's more urgency to move the plot forward. The story absolutely feels more fluid as a result, I agree with that. But the fact remains it's following the very same template as SC, and it's easy to illustrate that by providing a list of fights. SC plot moves much slower but has way more action. Whether this is a pro or a con depends solely on the preference of the viewer. Personally I'll take all the action over more story time, Jojo is all about the fights for me and it also gives the characters more time to shine. |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
Kellhus said: I mainly wanted to point out that BT follows the same episodic battle format as SC. I specifically said that the story content is featured more frequently since it's shorter, so there's more urgency to move the plot forward. The story absolutely feels more fluid as a result, I agree with that. But the fact remains it's following the very same template as SC, and it's easy to illustrate that by providing a list of fights. SC plot moves much slower but has way more action. Whether this is a pro or a con depends solely on the preference of the viewer. Personally I'll take all the action over more story time, Jojo is all about the fights for me and it also gives the characters more time to shine. Idk I think this is like you said where it purely comes down to preference. I still feel like if they cut SC in half by taking out some of those fights in the middle or something it'd still be no different. It's not lacking in action or getting hurt by it's excellent action/entertainment value, its story imo is just lacking substance/gets stale and stays that way til the end. I know that sounds derogatory but I what I really mean is that I feel like compared to parts 1 and 2 which I felt had the perfect balance of action, intricacy, flash, entertainment, story, character/development, etc., that part 3 opted to take the simpler elements and crank those up and let the other stuff fall a little more into the backdrop. Simpler's not always bad either, tons of people love SC for its white-knuckle action, exciting stand fights, and variety in its action and its on point comedy. Again, it's like you said it comes down to preference. Personally I thought parts 1 and 2 had an excellent balance. I loved the story, the manner in which the story and characters developed organically, plus the action elements present in parts 1 and 2. I love me some Jojo fights too and SC is no exception but I just feel like at times I had to ask myself "why are Jotaro and the co. fighting?". The main point of the story is the threat of Dio but you barely see him for a total of 5-10 minutes throughout most of the story on screen and they only give Dio 3 episodes out of almost 50 to shine at the very end like he's an afterthought (these Dio's World eps are SO worth it though by the way). I'm no writer but off the cuff if I was brainstorming I almost want to say to keep things from getting stale the story could've been sectioned off at points. Like finding out where Dio is could've been the first few episodes, they find out he's in Egypt so they make their way there which is a few more eps, travel to Egypt which could be another few eps, make it to Egypt and ensue on another quest to find out where in Egypt Dio is, find Dio and head to his manor, etc. etc. Idk probably not exactly like that but as an average joe I'd say maybe if they would've set a few "underlying goals" (find Dio, where in Egypt is he?, etc.) or something it would've helped at least a bit. But then again what do I know lol. |
Champloo_RemixJun 13, 2015 7:57 PM
Champloo_Remix said: I still feel like if they cut SC in half by taking out some of those fights in the middle or something it'd still be no different. Well... you would have had half the entertainment. You're probably right in saying that the story wouldn't be affected much, but does that really matter? SC is all about the ridiculous situations that the heroes end up in and the crazy obstacles they have to overcome on their way to Egypt. It's about the little stops along the journey, not so much about the overarching plot. I believe the final line of the Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime applies here ;) |
Fadeout4 said: Champloo_Remix said: I still feel like if they cut SC in half by taking out some of those fights in the middle or something it'd still be no different. Well... you would have had half the entertainment. You're probably right in saying that the story wouldn't be affected much, but does that really matter? SC is all about the ridiculous situations that the heroes end up in and the crazy obstacles they have to overcome on their way to Egypt. It's about the little stops along the journey, not so much about the overarching plot. I believe the final line of the Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime applies here ;) Don't get me wrong SC has been a whole lotta fun to watch every week. But to me I'll just say I enjoyed the writing of parts 1 and 2 significantly. And for what it's worth I felt Araki kept it simple in the first 2 parts but also kept it fresh and dynamic which is all I'm saying I think SC is missing. PB and BT were pretty straightforward, classic tales (especially Phantom Blood) but just had a fantastic story and character flow. You're right though it is about the journey and I've been enjoying it. Regardless of anything JJBA is still one of my all time favorite franchises and SC with its strengths still only helps that. It's my favorite but might be my least favorite of my favorites if that makes any sense lol. I mean above all else, let's not lose sight that we all love Jojo, SC included lol. I guess as a guy who fell in love with the style of parts 1 and 2, part 3 had a really abrupt change in its story telling so it's been jarring. It's still good but I really wish it'd eventually go back under a more focused lens. Every part has had fantastic fights honestly. |
Champloo_Remix said: Fadeout4 said: Well... you would have had half the entertainment. You're probably right in saying that the story wouldn't be affected much, but does that really matter? SC is all about the ridiculous situations that the heroes end up in and the crazy obstacles they have to overcome on their way to Egypt. It's about the little stops along the journey, not so much about the overarching plot. I believe the final line of the Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime applies here ;) Don't get me wrong SC has been a whole lotta fun to watch every week. But to me I'll just say I enjoyed the writing of parts 1 and 2 significantly. And for what it's worth I felt Araki kept it simple in the first 2 parts but also kept it fresh and dynamic which is all I'm saying I think SC is missing. PB and BT were pretty straightforward, classic tales (especially Phantom Blood) but just had a fantastic story and character flow. You're right though it is about the journey and I've been enjoying it. Regardless of anything JJBA is still one of my all time favorite franchises and SC with its strengths still only helps that. It's my favorite but might be my least favorite of my favorites if that makes any sense lol. I mean above all else, let's not lose sight that we all love Jojo, SC included lol. I guess as a guy who fell in love with the style of parts 1 and 2, part 3 had a really abrupt change in its story telling so it's been jarring. It's still good but I really wish it'd eventually go back under a more focused lens. Every part has had fantastic fights honestly. I understand you but I actually liked the retro feel to SC, fighting people till you get to the Big Boss *Big Treat* thing , it's because I really like the around the world in 50 days concept , I understand where you are coming from and I would find what you said to be interesting too , but Araki wanted part 3 to be this. And I think that I was one of those rare people who were very interested in the running gags of other world's cultures as they went on , *Btw the ones in Egypt my home country are pretty intense and very funny as they are actual running gags that are based of true events*.Of course this is subjective , but I found a lot of part 1 and part 2 fights not really that good which to be honest a good number of fodder fights in SC were better than them. |
| Given the right situation , the right story , anyone can be shaped into Snake. -Revolver Ocelot , MGS2 |
| Damn the new episode was awesome. I almost cried shounen tear over how badass Jotaro is, the OP is freakin' amazing! And the fight scene between Jotaro and Dio got me over excited! |
Champloo_Remix said: Fadeout4 said: Well... you would have had half the entertainment. You're probably right in saying that the story wouldn't be affected much, but does that really matter? SC is all about the ridiculous situations that the heroes end up in and the crazy obstacles they have to overcome on their way to Egypt. It's about the little stops along the journey, not so much about the overarching plot. I believe the final line of the Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime applies here ;) Don't get me wrong SC has been a whole lotta fun to watch every week. But to me I'll just say I enjoyed the writing of parts 1 and 2 significantly. And for what it's worth I felt Araki kept it simple in the first 2 parts but also kept it fresh and dynamic which is all I'm saying I think SC is missing. PB and BT were pretty straightforward, classic tales (especially Phantom Blood) but just had a fantastic story and character flow. You're right though it is about the journey and I've been enjoying it. Regardless of anything JJBA is still one of my all time favorite franchises and SC with its strengths still only helps that. It's my favorite but might be my least favorite of my favorites if that makes any sense lol. I mean above all else, let's not lose sight that we all love Jojo, SC included lol. I guess as a guy who fell in love with the style of parts 1 and 2, part 3 had a really abrupt change in its story telling so it's been jarring. It's still good but I really wish it'd eventually go back under a more focused lens. Every part has had fantastic fights honestly. All very valid points. And don't get me wrong, it's not like I consider Stardust to be some flawless masterpiece (only Part 7 gets that title ^^). It would have been nice if Dio directly interacted with the heroes over the course of the journey somehow, and it would have been nice if there were more plot points that remained consistent over the course of the story between fights, like Anne and Hol Horse, but with more of an effect. I just makes me sad that Part 3 gets so much undeserved hate on these forums because of the dramatic change and emphasis on isolated events rather than overarching plot. At least Part 4 should hopefully make everyone happy if it gets animated, since it's basically the best of Part 2 mixed with the best of Part 3, plus its own story and setting that are completely unlike anything in Part 1 2 or 3 :P |
| I think the main reason for the hate on these forums is because of the stigma that "simple storytelling automatically = bad". Part 3 is not trying to be a flawless literary work, it's a simple action/adventure story made to pay tribute to the classic JRPGs of old. It's definitely subjective to each viewer's taste, but you really need to put yourself into a proper mindset to really appreciate it. It's no mystery that Part 3 is often regarded as a launching point into the series, and that's in no small part because of its simple framework. Keep in mind that it also came out in 1989 and the format of "monster of the week" hadn't really been done in manga before. |
GoyitoSatan said: I think the main reason for the hate on these forums is because of the stigma that "simple storytelling automatically = bad". Part 3 is not trying to be a flawless literary work, it's a simple action/adventure story made to pay tribute to the classic JRPGs of old. It's definitely subjective to each viewer's taste, but you really need to put yourself into a proper mindset to really appreciate it. It's no mystery that Part 3 is often regarded as a launching point into the series, and that's in no small part because of its simple framework. Keep in mind that it also came out in 1989 and the format of "monster of the week" hadn't really been done in manga before. See I don't agree with that either because for all intents and purposes part 1 and 2 were simple, classic tales. Nobody would mix those up for Ghost in the Shell or something. But yeah from what I hear and granted I don't read the Jojo manga (if the wait for part 4's anime gets too long I might not be able to help myself though) Part 3 was really Araki testing the waters and getting acclimated to the new world he created. So basically it was very experimental and from hearsay I can gather that he gets more comfortable with it post SC and is able to bring focus back to other elements. Fadeout4 said: Champloo_Remix said: Don't get me wrong SC has been a whole lotta fun to watch every week. But to me I'll just say I enjoyed the writing of parts 1 and 2 significantly. And for what it's worth I felt Araki kept it simple in the first 2 parts but also kept it fresh and dynamic which is all I'm saying I think SC is missing. PB and BT were pretty straightforward, classic tales (especially Phantom Blood) but just had a fantastic story and character flow. You're right though it is about the journey and I've been enjoying it. Regardless of anything JJBA is still one of my all time favorite franchises and SC with its strengths still only helps that. It's my favorite but might be my least favorite of my favorites if that makes any sense lol. I mean above all else, let's not lose sight that we all love Jojo, SC included lol. I guess as a guy who fell in love with the style of parts 1 and 2, part 3 had a really abrupt change in its story telling so it's been jarring. It's still good but I really wish it'd eventually go back under a more focused lens. Every part has had fantastic fights honestly. All very valid points. And don't get me wrong, it's not like I consider Stardust to be some flawless masterpiece (only Part 7 gets that title ^^). It would have been nice if Dio directly interacted with the heroes over the course of the journey somehow, and it would have been nice if there were more plot points that remained consistent over the course of the story between fights, like Anne and Hol Horse, but with more of an effect. I just makes me sad that Part 3 gets so much undeserved hate on these forums because of the dramatic change and emphasis on isolated events rather than overarching plot. At least Part 4 should hopefully make everyone happy if it gets animated, since it's basically the best of Part 2 mixed with the best of Part 3, plus its own story and setting that are completely unlike anything in Part 1 2 or 3 :P See now I'm trying to withhold myself from reading the manga because I hear part 7 starts Jojo being a seinen? I really hope Part 4 gets teased next week. I hear it's Araki's favorite. Akabawi said: Champloo_Remix said: Don't get me wrong SC has been a whole lotta fun to watch every week. But to me I'll just say I enjoyed the writing of parts 1 and 2 significantly. And for what it's worth I felt Araki kept it simple in the first 2 parts but also kept it fresh and dynamic which is all I'm saying I think SC is missing. PB and BT were pretty straightforward, classic tales (especially Phantom Blood) but just had a fantastic story and character flow. You're right though it is about the journey and I've been enjoying it. Regardless of anything JJBA is still one of my all time favorite franchises and SC with its strengths still only helps that. It's my favorite but might be my least favorite of my favorites if that makes any sense lol. I mean above all else, let's not lose sight that we all love Jojo, SC included lol. I guess as a guy who fell in love with the style of parts 1 and 2, part 3 had a really abrupt change in its story telling so it's been jarring. It's still good but I really wish it'd eventually go back under a more focused lens. Every part has had fantastic fights honestly. I understand you but I actually liked the retro feel to SC, fighting people till you get to the Big Boss *Big Treat* thing , it's because I really like the around the world in 50 days concept , I understand where you are coming from and I would find what you said to be interesting too , but Araki wanted part 3 to be this. And I think that I was one of those rare people who were very interested in the running gags of other world's cultures as they went on , *Btw the ones in Egypt my home country are pretty intense and very funny as they are actual running gags that are based of true events*.Of course this is subjective , but I found a lot of part 1 and part 2 fights not really that good which to be honest a good number of fodder fights in SC were better than them. No for sure I get you. I guess it really does come down to subjectives. While there are a ton of great fights in SC I still felt like some of that Battle Tendency intricacy (well...Joseph Joestar intricacy) was missed at least by me. For instance with the D'arby fights I thought Jotaro basically taking a shot in the dark the whole time was an interesting way to bring the game to an end but felt like it could've been something better considering D'arby is supposed to be a master of games, cheating an like super seasoned. Younger D'arby getting beat by basically Joseph slipping Hermit Purple under the table to tamper with the game system also felt like it could've been a bit more mind blowing. In comparison I really liked how in Battle Tendency when Joseph fought Santana how he Joseph calculated/used the sun's reflection as it was right above the well they were falling down in to beat Santana or how Jonathan put two and two together to figure out he could use air pockets from underneath the rocks on the ocean/lake floor to get oxygen for his hamon during his fight with Bruford. But then again SC is longer so not every single fight is gonna match with its own best. |
Champloo_Remix said: Fadeout4 said: All very valid points. And don't get me wrong, it's not like I consider Stardust to be some flawless masterpiece (only Part 7 gets that title ^^). It would have been nice if Dio directly interacted with the heroes over the course of the journey somehow, and it would have been nice if there were more plot points that remained consistent over the course of the story between fights, like Anne and Hol Horse, but with more of an effect. I just makes me sad that Part 3 gets so much undeserved hate on these forums because of the dramatic change and emphasis on isolated events rather than overarching plot. At least Part 4 should hopefully make everyone happy if it gets animated, since it's basically the best of Part 2 mixed with the best of Part 3, plus its own story and setting that are completely unlike anything in Part 1 2 or 3 :P See now I'm trying to withhold myself from reading the manga because I hear part 7 starts Jojo being a seinen? I really hope Part 4 gets teased next week. I hear it's Araki's favorite. Part 7 and 8 are both seinen. They're published in Ultra Jump instead of Weekly Shounen Jump. I consider Part 6 to be seinen too. It was published in Weekly Shounen Jump, but it honestly shouldn't have because it contains... It's honestly amazing that some of the shit in Part 6 made it into WSJ @_@ |
Fadeout4 said: Champloo_Remix said: I still feel like if they cut SC in half by taking out some of those fights in the middle or something it'd still be no different. Well... you would have had half the entertainment. That would be true if they were entertaining. They weren't imo. It feels like the author didn't put as much effort into them because he just used them as fillers. |
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Champloo_Remix said: GoyitoSatan said: I think the main reason for the hate on these forums is because of the stigma that "simple storytelling automatically = bad". Part 3 is not trying to be a flawless literary work, it's a simple action/adventure story made to pay tribute to the classic JRPGs of old. It's definitely subjective to each viewer's taste, but you really need to put yourself into a proper mindset to really appreciate it. It's no mystery that Part 3 is often regarded as a launching point into the series, and that's in no small part because of its simple framework. Keep in mind that it also came out in 1989 and the format of "monster of the week" hadn't really been done in manga before. See I don't agree with that either because for all intents and purposes part 1 and 2 were simple, classic tales. Nobody would mix those up for Ghost in the Shell or something. But yeah from what I hear and granted I don't read the Jojo manga (if the wait for part 4's anime gets too long I might not be able to help myself though) Part 3 was really Araki testing the waters and getting acclimated to the new world he created. So basically it was very experimental and from hearsay I can gather that he gets more comfortable with it post SC and is able to bring focus back to other elements. Part 1 and 2 were definitely simple comparatively, but Part 3 is easily the most linear. I think that makes the simplicity stand out more (pun totally intended) and as Kellhus stated, the plot moves slower and takes time to flesh out the battles more than the overarching story (not that there's much to flesh out anyways). JoJo has always been action first, ask questions later, and I feel Part 3 exemplifies that much more than the previous two parts. |
| MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA Vs ORAORAORAORAORAORA. It feels like the universe exploded. |
| So Dio is a super saiyan? Pretty damn epic episode, quite tragic loss but at least they figured out his stand's power! Let's see what's next! |
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| I don't understand how Dio has an aura and can fly now. It's not confirmed Joseph is dead so I will keep my hopes high. |
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| man what the hell? Kakyoin and Jojo died at the same time? Joseph is the best Jojo ever man I like Jotaro but there's just no comparing Joseph and Jotaro. I just wish Joseph survived that. |
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| Oh no ;_; Joseph was such a lovable character :( |
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Hobgoblin2099 said:  OH MY GOD AND JUST LIKE THAT DIO KILLED TWO PEOPLE IN AN EPISODE #nofuckingchillKoyasu pls b0ss bring back Jonathan |
| Kakoyin too ;_;. That's one hell of a message he gave to Joseph! OMG, Joseph better be a live. That "MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA" and "ORA ORA ORA ORA" battle! 5/5 |
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| Should somebody have told me how things go for Joseph in this sequel, I would not have watched it, even if it meant never going further into the Jojo verse. I'm not sure if I have ever scored an episode 1 but this one deserved it. |
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| Should somebody have told me how things go for Joseph in this sequel, I would not have watched it, even if it meant never going further into the Jojo verse. I'm not sure if I have ever scored an episode 1 but this one did it for me. |
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| Been sitting here for 15-20 minutes trying to figure out what to say, but I'm way deep in shock. Spider-man/Indiana Jones and SSJ's. LMAO RIP Kakyoin. You went out cool AF. Joseph finally meets his grandfather, Jonathan, and it has to be in this situation. I wanted him to beat DIO and take Jonathan's body to Erina. The one person(Joseph) connected to the origin that is Erina, Speedwagon, Straits, Zeppeli family, hamon, and affected so many people is now dead. I fucking cried. The amount of shit he went through and he dies by a knife being thrown into his throat. Also, NO MONTAGE of Joseph in the ED? WTF! RIP Joseph. I want to mention the MUDA vs ORA scene and other stuff, but I'm too pissed off. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Kakyoin died, but he discovered the trick behind The World's power. MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA vs ORAORAORAORAORAORA next! |
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