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I don't like it. Way too long for no good reason. Rei going from deadface emotionless doll straight to a cute curious child asking questions about everything she doesn't know. Asuka could just as well not be in this movie at all. Terrible battles, full of mediocre cgi, bad camerawork and complete detachment from what eva was before - milions of flying evas etc, stupid as hell. Tons of new unaswered questions - Asuka somehow being a clone, how and why, Mari being already there in gendo and yui's youth - she also a clone? wtf is that? tons of new bullshit that doesn't serve any purpose like gendo becoming an x-man or this anti-universe thing. all of it feels so cheap. to me eva ended in 1997 |
ImaishiAug 25, 2021 5:59 AM
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malinoski554 said: Gethemalot said: Definitely brings back that Anno energy I got back when I watched EoE for the first time, except this time the whole film brings you hope, instead of depression. You didn't understand EoE if it gives you depression. Shinji and Asuka marooned alone in a barren red wasteland isn't exactly a hopeful ending though. Does anyone else come back? Do the animals and plants "have the will to come back" or are Shinji and Asuka going to starve to death? Obviously Asuka can eat Shinji and last a bit longer, but longterm it seems life is done for on the planet. |
| This is probably the best ending i could have asked for and i love the dichotomy it creates with EoE. The lore itself turned out ridiculously convoluted and made little sense to me but the end result was worth it. CGI also got quite bad at times which is a shame but not that big of an issue for me. Overall i enjoyed it, definitely a massive improvement over 3.0. |
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| I really enjoyed watching this I liked the ending one of my favorite parts was when Gendou and Shinji talked it out and we got to see Gendou’s past and his back backstory |
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| Days later and still think that the movie was perfect at fulfilling its role. What a masterpiece of an ending, a great achievement for a long running franchise. |
| Finished my second rewatch session, and it tasted the same as the first time. This is how you end a franchise, not the hand holding ever explaining piss we getting these days. |
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| Very conflicting movie for me. I was never the smartest tool in the shed and watched so many interpretation videos of Eva because I never could put into words why it meant so much to me. It was my very first anime and stuck with me throughout my life. Then 3.33 hit and I felt very alienated by pretty much everything in that movie. I recently rewatched it and I still didnt like it. Now this movie dropped and while there are certain parts that I enjoyed, for example the village section. There were so many other parts that just felt... hollow. There was so much carnage and destruction but there was no tension in any of it. Wunder got hit by a massive attack but everyone just shrugs it off and keeps going. Mari + Asuka facing overwhelming odds but ultimately come out on top in most of the fights without a hitch. Long forgotten was the tension of that EoE scene with Asuka vs the eva series. With every movement having so much weight and momentum and intertia. The whole introspective piece with gendo also came a little to late for me and it dragged for way to long as well. I suppose that Anno getting older gave him a different perspective on the absent father plotline and he felt like he needed to "redeem" him or explain why he did what he did. But it all was a little to late for me. May just be my irl experiences clouding that scene who knows. I never saw Mari as even a potential fit for shinji, they had like, what, 3 conversations in total throughout the four movies? Also... can someone explain what the f happened at the end? So Shinji once again get his godpowers and wants to create a world without eva. If earth had no eva's then the angels wouldnt need to attack it. He would've done it himself but gendo and yui decide to do it in his stead and "remove themselves from existence" finally at peace. We get some scenes of the seed pods landing. Every eva in space falls back down and turns back into a human as a reversal of the instrumentality plan. Then shinji is sitting on a beach with the choker back on (for whatever reason besides symbolism?). Mari appears as she promised, just before the eva gets deleted from existence. And shinji wakes on the trainstation. On the other platform you see Asuka, Kawuro and Rei. Mari greets a now adault shinji and takes the choker off (I suppose this symbolizes the last piece of the old loop) and well they run off into whatever. So if the world got remade to a prestate where no evas ever existed then Asuka wouldnt be in japan as she is german. Rei and Kawuro wouldnt even exist to begin with. Why show that the pods go back to earth if that "timeline" get deleted anyways? I think you even see Asukas Plug in Ken-Kens Backyeard. Is it like... the old timeline got fixed and we get closure on it by showing all humans return and can fix that timeline with the ressources from it? Shinji was fine with being "deleted" as well since his existence without his parenty is a paradox but Mari makes it in time to whisp him away into an alternate reality where Evas were never made? Or is it all just... symbolism and whatever and I shouldnt think about it to much because it makes no sense to begin with? |
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Arkaniet said: Or is it all just... symbolism and whatever and I shouldnt think about it to much because it makes no sense to begin with? I've seen it suggested the station is symbolic, the platform and people on the other side of the tracks represents the old world Shinji just left, with the tracks representing an impassible barrier between the worlds. I'd guess Rei and Kaworu came back along with all the other souls we saw returning at the end. Then Shinji leaves the station to start his Isekai life. |
Junichi_Hashiba said: Arkaniet said: Or is it all just... symbolism and whatever and I shouldnt think about it to much because it makes no sense to begin with? I've seen it suggested the station is symbolic, the platform and people on the other side of the tracks represents the old world Shinji just left, with the tracks representing an impassible barrier between the worlds. I'd guess Rei and Kaworu came back along with all the other souls we saw returning at the end. Then Shinji leaves the station to start his Isekai life. That is actually quite nice. So I got that right that he "fixed" the old world and got somehow isekaied into a world without Evas. And Mari taking off the colar symbolizes her actively cutting the last link to the old one. I can live with that. But its all veeeeeeeeery symbolic... but then this is a big part of Eva I suppose. |
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Junichi_Hashiba said: I've seen it suggested the station is symbolic, the platform and people on the other side of the tracks represents the old world Shinji just left, with the tracks representing an impassible barrier between the worlds. I'd guess Rei and Kaworu came back along with all the other souls we saw returning at the end. Then Shinji leaves the station to start his Isekai life. Well that's when you want to look into it a bit too much. Arkaniet said: So I got that right that he "fixed" the old world and got somehow isekaied into a world without Evas. But he didn't tho, he literally said at the end he does not want to create new world, just a world without EVA. Its the same world, same planet over and over from the beginning, no avengers multiverse shenanigans. |
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Swagernator said: Junichi_Hashiba said: I've seen it suggested the station is symbolic, the platform and people on the other side of the tracks represents the old world Shinji just left, with the tracks representing an impassible barrier between the worlds. I'd guess Rei and Kaworu came back along with all the other souls we saw returning at the end. Then Shinji leaves the station to start his Isekai life. Well that's when you want to look into it a bit too much. Arkaniet said: So I got that right that he "fixed" the old world and got somehow isekaied into a world without Evas. But he didn't tho, he literally said at the end he does not want to create new world, just a world without EVA. Its the same world, same planet over and over from the beginning, no avengers multiverse shenanigans. He did say that hmmm. But why the scenes of the pods? And Asuka in Ken-Kens Yard? Like they dedicated screentime to show the world afterwords will be fine just to reset it? And then jump forward a couple years offscreen AND show characters that wouldnt even exist without the evas. Or is it like, he reset the world. And everybody that was turned back into a person was taken into that world. And the Pod and Asuka were red herings. And they all got reincarnated into a world where evas never existed. And Rei even though she has no soul and therefore wasnt part of instrumentality and kawuro who is literally and angel is also there for some reason. No matter how I twist it, it doesnt make any sense. Just pick whatever way you like best and roll with it I guess. |
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| You people need to take this series for what it is at just face value and stop complaining that Shinji didn't jerk off onto asuka again. |
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| I finished my second rewatch. I started from the TV anime upto the Rebuild of Evangelion films this time. Evangelion 3.0+1.0 wasn't the perfect movie, it wasn't even my favourite. But it is the ending that the series deserved. Goodbye all of Evangelion. Good morning. Good night. Thank you. Goodbye. |
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| It didn't turn out quite as expected, but ended up being better. One scene in particular that was so well-made was Shinji at the (normal!) beach. What really spoke to me was the sequence of it becoming slowly less real as Shinji gets lost in his thoughts, until Mari shows up to snap him out of it...a callback to the original TV ending's message that we need others to not get sucked into an empty world of our own imagination. That was just one scene out of many. It was so good to see Shinji's enormous growth and a real conclusion to this amazing franchise. |
  "...fatih, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." "I began to trust the world [...] to give unforeseen goods and pleasures that I had not thought to want." |
| Mari ending up with Shinji left me in complete disbelief. At the same time I'm empty and indifferent abut it. All I've wanted was a happy closure for Asuka and Shinji and maybe them ending up together, but no. At least I can pretend the Re-Take After doujin is the ending Asuka and Shinji properly deserve. |
| Man i didnt know it was on Amazon Prime lol 10/10 If you did not understand, think: All evangelion series = Hideaki Anno state of mind. This movie was a COMPLETE REDEMPTION of a depressed person. The SOL village in the middle of movie. The Gendou character development (and the others, even Kaoru) The nonchalant confession to Asuka in the same beach of last end movie. The references destroying the original series lol This is clearly a person making peace with the world and himself. All this = "Hello, im Hideaki and f* you otakus, i'm okay now, and thanks for the money" Eva always was an "anti-anime" that ironically become the peak of anime in 90's. Now it is more clear than ever. Last scene with a take of real world (without evas - btw, Anno's hometown) is slaping clear. Im happy for Hideaki, also quite entertaining movie. 10/10 |
Rob7Sep 1, 2021 10:35 PM
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phantom360 said: Great movie but wtf was with that pairing at the end? I don't even like Asuka at all but even i know she was a perfect match for Shinji. The redhair tsundere was a perfect match for anime. Classic otaku fetish. That never will be real for a frustrated otaku so we have that reaction of End of Eva movie. This time Hideaki made a final joke making Shinji to confess to her, finally, and moving on. This movie = cleaning mistakes and giving a clear final message to fans that took Eva too serious. And i LOVED it. |
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Swagernator said: Junichi_Hashiba said: I've seen it suggested the station is symbolic, the platform and people on the other side of the tracks represents the old world Shinji just left, with the tracks representing an impassible barrier between the worlds. I'd guess Rei and Kaworu came back along with all the other souls we saw returning at the end. Then Shinji leaves the station to start his Isekai life. Well that's when you want to look into it a bit too much. Arkaniet said: So I got that right that he "fixed" the old world and got somehow isekaied into a world without Evas. But he didn't tho, he literally said at the end he does not want to create new world, just a world without EVA. Its the same world, same planet over and over from the beginning, no avengers multiverse shenanigans. The train station, or on the train itself, has always been a location where characters have their introspection moments. Throughout the series, many dream-like sequences take place on a train where characters will talk to others, or even iterations of themselves. The sound of the train-crossing warning is also heard throughout the show. There's even a train scene in 4.0 with Shinji and his father. The train represents part of the personal journey. The train itself isn't your destination, but you take a train to go from here to there. At the end, Shinji leaves the station and runs up the stairs with Mari instead of boarding the train. He (Anno, really) has reached his destination, he's completed his character growth. Anno is leaving Evangelion behind. It was a big part of his development as a person, but now it's time to go. It's also why he ends up with Mari instead of Asuka. Mari is the "not Eva" character. She has no baggage to speak of, she doesn't seem to actually experience character struggle or growth, she just shows up, is wacky, and doesn't really care about anything. She's the antithesis of the typical Evangelion character. |
DerpCat said: The train itself isn't your destination, but you take a train to go from here to there. At the end, Shinji leaves the station and runs up the stairs with Mari instead of boarding the train. He (Anno, really) has reached his destination, he's completed his character growth. Anno is leaving Evangelion behind. It was a big part of his development as a person, but now it's time to go. It's also why he ends up with Mari instead of Asuka. Mari is the "not Eva" character. She has no baggage to speak of, she doesn't seem to actually experience character struggle or growth, she just shows up, is wacky, and doesn't really care about anything. She's the antithesis of the typical Evangelion character. Perfect. Also there is a moment when Shinji is inside that realm of BS after or before dealing with his father, and he says "no worries, i'm sure Mari is going to rescue me". So she did. Btw, just as like Moyoco (Anno's wife) did since 2002 with the previously depressed author of Eva. |
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| such a beautiful ending for eva fans who have been here for years and have grown up with this series |
| Seemed weird that Gendou spilled his thoughts and gave in so easily after being adamant in his pursuit for so long. Was nice to see them finally talk though. Preferred this over EOE but still don't know if I liked it or not. I think they did Rei an injustice. Disliked her English VA, too cutesy and wow, that CGI head was an atrocity, where as the parallel scene in EOE was absolutely gorgeous. Also, I still don't know where Mari came from in the first place?One good thing is that Shinji finally reached his potential, good for him after years of being disliked by many. Imaishi said: Rei going from deadface emotionless doll straight to a cute curious child asking questions about everything she doesn't know. Tons of new unaswered questions - Asuka somehow being a clone, how and why, Mari being already there in gendo and yui's youth - she also a clone? wtf is that? YES! Thank you |
Bles-Sep 4, 2021 8:35 AM
| ... only took 9 years... Well, I must say I never expected THAT ending. mind=blown |
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de_nukieSep 5, 2021 12:38 AM
Arkaniet said: No matter how I twist it, it doesnt make any sense. Just pick whatever way you like best and roll with it I guess. "It doesn't make any sense." You nailed it right there. It doesn't make sense, because I don't think it's supposed to. This film dropped any semblance of a coherent and cohesive narrative. Anno wanted to get his message across in certain scenes and conversations, and the bits tying them together were an afterthought. Maybe in a notebook somewhere, or in his head, he has an explanation for all of it, but with what we have, the in-universe narrative is a bunch of action setpieces and Abrams-tier mystery box lore. |
SaturnSkye said: Seemed weird that Gendou spilled his thoughts and gave in so easily after being adamant in his pursuit for so long. Was nice to see them finally talk though. Preferred this over EOE but still don't know if I liked it or not. I think they did Rei an injustice. Disliked her English VA, too cutesy and wow, that CGI head was an atrocity, where as the parallel scene in EOE was absolutely gorgeous. Also, I still don't know where Mari came from in the first place?One good thing is that Shinji finally reached his potential, good for him after years of being disliked by many. Imaishi said: Rei going from deadface emotionless doll straight to a cute curious child asking questions about everything she doesn't know. Tons of new unaswered questions - Asuka somehow being a clone, how and why, Mari being already there in gendo and yui's youth - she also a clone? wtf is that? YES! Thank you About the giant CGI Rei head. You are missing the point. It was symbolically and deliberately animated to look that way to look out of place, unsettling, ugly even relative to its surroundings and the reality that the viewer has become familiar with. |
| What a good movie. I personally hate og Eva but the rebuild movies are amazing. This was a pretty good ending and I’ve really enjoyed. Kinda sad that it’s over. |
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Champloo_Remix said: About the giant CGI Rei head. You are missing the point. It was symbolically and deliberately animated to look that way to look out of place, unsettling, ugly even relative to its surroundings and the reality that the viewer has become familiar with. I get your point about why they chose that artistic direction, but the jarring increase in realism paired with the still 2D everything else reminded me of a TV show called Angela Anaconda, in which everything is made of paper like in South Park, except for the characters' faces, which are cut out black and white photos, so i just burst out laughing |
| Nice detail: the dog getting rid of its medical collar corresponded with Shinji opening up to others a little (only to get stunned by Asuka lol). Same thing with Misato's glasses. When the Nerv ships descend to the base at around 01:25:09, it resembles...Macross? :D Well kinda Misato namedropping "Another Impact" was a nice little callback to that short film from Japan animator expo...and then they just keep calling it "Additional Impact" x) Ritsuko finally shot Gendo in this continuity! So we had the second, third and fourth ships, what's the first one? UPD: It's Wunder which was stolen from Nerv, alright. Ritsuko referred to Paris 16 years ago, yet the Near Third Impact happened 14 years ago? Gendo surely did a few infodumps but it was both necessary due to the nature of the last 2 films, and kinda felt organic for the events of the film anyway. And so, a world without Evas ;_; So meta. The final act of the movie definitely paid tribute to EoE, and although some sketchy stylistic choices (haha) now are more deliberate than in the TV series era, they still felt good and comfy (EoE was more dramatic, I'd say). It's more of a Gendo story now, even. I didn't expect that. Can't really comprehend so polarizing reactions to the movie (just like with all the previous NTE instances, really, especially 3.0), it was so good in so many aspects. Carefully crafted with enormous attention to detail, and Miss Look Alike definitely made my day with everything she did. Absolutely adorable. I was satisfied with pretty much every character development I've seen (one might argue that there were not enough of it, though - like with Ritsuko; in short, "loose ends" which are not in fact a big problem). Flashy action scenes were flashy, but I think Khara perfected them to the point where they don't feel confusing, they work with the camera well. Rather, the source of (potential) confuse is the *meaning* of what's happening on screen, rather than the events themselves. P.S. The new GNR will haunt me in my sleep forever P.P.S. It's not Mari x Shinji, it's Anno x Anno, Hideaki x Moyoco (read her manga works they're great). Shinji finally grew up, not only mentally, but literally as well. P.P.P.S. 01:03:15 - Ritsuko says "kasho (tentative name) Ikari Shinji", what's that o_o Rei_III said: Well, this was great despite how the film is hardly built like one, and more of a series of "moments". - ugly CGI although the ugliest moment, 13vs01 with a horrible toys city, felt almost like a simulation/game on purpose and is easier to accept. The other most (beautifully) ugly element is virtual Lillith-Rei's head, making it even more creepy and effectively horrible than the original. (No idea why, but it reminded me of some Death Note panels.) - but the Kaji explanation speech was mostly unnecessary, with the few elements the audience had been given from the second end trailer to the third film. Ikuhara's anime (esp. Utena) and Terayama's films (which influenced him) are also built like series of vignettes/moments, I wonder if Anno got influenced in turn due to his friendship with Ikuhara-Kaworu-kun (sorry for inserting him anytime I try to talk about Anno). Nomura's The Castle of Sand as well, the final act of the film is reminiscent of what we saw here in the beginning and end (plus again, a father/son relationship). To me, the toy city felt like a tribute to tokusatsu and the way the environments are built there (I think they even filmed it the same way, need to watch the documentaries/talks now to make sure). Regarding Kaji, you might be correct but they couldn't have talked about him even less then they did. The audience needs some closure for him. Although, a lot still remains unsaid and unshown (and that's fine; it's fun to imagine what could've happened in-between) GNR reminded me of those "flat" character stands where you need to put your face inside the character's empty face placeholder. It felt like somebody from the crew inserted their face into Rei's head xD About this... didn't Sadamoto admit in an interview his special chapter (in 2009?) was simply him musing over Mari's origins, based on the second film alone, without any actual behind the scene info? The hypothesis made sense at the time, and I liked it. But in the end, is it Anno using Sadamoto's guess or was Sadamoto simply smart enough to understand his colleague (after all, the very vague hints were there)? Here's the interview for your convenience: https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/21/the-current-status-of-gainax-interview-hiroyuki-yamaga-yoshiyuki-sadamoto-september-2016/ Myself? I attributed Mari's non-aging to the "curse of the Eva". Cause why not. Or maybe, given that "Moyoco=Mari" then Anno just didn't want his wife to age lol. Well, our main visual (aside from others) hint was that photo Fuyutsuki had in 3.0 (and in this film as well). As for the curse of the Eva, might very well be another metaphor for people associated with Evangelion not growing up (both mentally and physically). The pilots and the audience, that is. I brieflly thought there'd be a post-credits epilogue scene. |
St0rmbladeSep 12, 2021 7:05 AM
| I'm not a really huge fan of the Evangelion series. So why do I keep coming back to this series ? Dunno. Just bored. Anyway, I can't say much about the story. I stopped caring about it halfway through the original show. Speaking of which this series just gave a bit more motivation to watch the original series one more time. I enjoyed this more than any other Evangelion property except for the original show. Also Adult Asuka is hot as hell |
| Nice ending, would like to see an older Asuka though. The original is better btw |
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| ...And so it ends. That's how Evangelion concludes, this movie was really amazing, everything was really good. "Bye-Bye All Of Evangelion" |
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| There have been a few years since I last gave an anime movie a 10, but alas, even if I may lower it sometime along the line, I cant help but give it a perfect score now, because this was just beautiful. Not for the story, not for the animation, not for the characters, not for the ending and certainly not for the mindfuck. It was for the experience which I cannot describe in words, it can only be felt. This conclusion was extremely cathartic and wholesome, and highly relatable despite the whole otherwordly and surreal scenarios. The movie was the culmination of a story whose main characters' feelings and anguishes just resonated with me, and it was beautiful seeing them finally having the happy ending they have been searching for. Good for you Anno, for such a journey and for coming out of it like this. That is all... |
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| I am just so glad NGE is finally over. The world was reset and that's it. Was that so hard the first three times? Bye bye NGE. Don't forget your fans on your way out. Please take them with you. You can't leave them here, that's not fair to the rest of us. They've been annoying for 26 years, explaining away all the inadequacies of every Series, Film and whatnot with one crazy "well you see" after another. It's okay now. They can rest with you. I don't expect to hear of you or them again. And that's fine. Go into the light. |
| So to summarize my thoughts after the Rebuild movies: I can live with the Madoka ending, nothing groundbreaking but it's okay. I didn't have a clear best girl choice, so I don't really care who won and lost. Mari felt like some character from an entirely different universe, won everything without breaking a sweat, some pain at worst without any consequences. The usual asspulls were present but we already got used to those. At least Shinji whined a little less compared to the old series, that's a huge positive. 7/10, it's good, worth a watch but it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread as many believe. |
| Without having read another word from another poster here, I'll just say, that after having about a month to ruminate on this movie and what it meant to me (after having seen Eva originally about 20 years ago), I can confidently say that it was a far more impactful a conclusion to the franchise than I ever expected to get, nor even expected to receive. End of Evangelion is a bleak, though mildly hopeful (depending on how you read it) interpretation of the TV series' end, and for the longest time I considered it the definitive conclusion of Eva, despite the intentions of Anno regarding the TV series and what his intended message for the franchise was. That said, after over a decade of rebuild movies, and a general cynicism regarding large franchises in general (Eva not exempt, of course), I finally took the plunge with the Amazon release about a month ago. I always saw each rebuild movie being a representation on Anno's state of mind regarding his gradual evolution on what Eva meant to him personally as an artistic representation, with each consecutive movie advancing closer to his personal apotheosis as an artist and what he's trying to express as his Internal Truth™. This movie, largely to my surprise, did not disappoint in this regard. I never intended this post as a review, but I'll just give a quick diatribe over what I loved and what I disliked. I loved that the movie took the time to truly address Shinji and Gendo's relationship in the most raw, unambiguous way imaginable (by this series' standards, anyways). As far as I'm concerned, this was the emotional lynchpin that the franchise has never directly addressed, and audaciously made the Final Boss plotline of the final movie of one of the most influential franchises ever. Huge respect and satisfaction gained from that particular beat, and the biggest reason I'll always look fondly back at 3+1 being the definitive ending of Evangelion, even if it doesn't quite top what EoE or the best parts of the TV series has to offer, at least as holistic, singular experiences. I wouldn't trade anything for it though, in regards to being the end of a massive legacy that it is. I could probably nitpick and complain about a variety of things, but I guess what stuck out to me most was the inconsistent CG quality (especially the initial assault on NERV) and the sheer amount of in-universe word-salad that was being thrown at the viewer, especially in the final half. Given my personal knowledge of the franchise and the general esoteric bullshit they were spouting, I felt I generally had a pretty good understanding of what they were talking about regarding the complexities of what was happening, but I felt it kind of undercut the core emotional message of what Anno was trying to achieve, in the end, but I suppose that's the price of trying to appeal to every type of Eva fan. Overall, this movie was far more impactful than I ever imagined it would be, and was truly inspired by that ending panning shot and ending credits sequence. This is truly the -End- of Evangelion by every meaningful definition, and I walked away truly satisfied. I could only wish all my other beloved mega-franchises would get similar treatment, but fat chance on that happening. |
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