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| I loved how they showed the past in black and white (not really b&w) but the flowers and flames. My baby Dororo has seen terrible things gosh. Chibi Dororo meccha kawaiiiii I delight in every word Hyakki speaks :-) |
rurismashboomMar 4, 2019 11:19 PM
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nightcrawlercyp said: miguitronik said: Here is what I did not like:I'd say that in the context of this story none of those changes aren't detrimental at all. Maybe the fact that the story was condensed into one episode might have made the pacing a bit worse, but not these changes. In fact they might have made it better. The context that the mother died protecting Dororo, in this case from hunger is still there, and having a confontation with the samurai and Itachi in the temple made for a good explanation of Dororo's "wit makes right" approach to things. Remember, kids: Changes to the source material don't necessarily equal a worse adaptation. 1. It increases the importance of Itachi 2. makes the samurai not so bad when in fact the original material was completely against the samurai 3. The death scene is much more emotional in the original. You can agree with me or not, is just my opinion they don't need to follow manga to make a good adoption, i think new series is much better than both manga and old series ,mostly bcuz of hyakimaru! about Ur points 1-maybe they want to use him later on in the story 2-actually it makes more sense for samuraie to feed ppl for recruiting man power! rather than being totally mindless savage beasts! 3-well this one is a personal taste totally up to u, |
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vipergod said: But most were totally mindless savage beasts in history. The romanticized version of them is a lie.nightcrawlercyp said: Here is what I did not like: 1. It increases the importance of Itachi 2. makes the samurai not so bad when in fact the original material was completely against the samurai 3. The death scene is much more emotional in the original. You can agree with me or not, is just my opinion they don't need to follow manga to make a good adoption, i think new series is much better than both manga and old series ,mostly bcuz of hyakimaru! about Ur points 1-maybe they want to use him later on in the story 2-actually it makes more sense for samuraie to feed ppl for recruiting man power! rather than being totally mindless savage beasts! 3-well this one is totally up to u, |
| Ooooh! Now this is going to be an interesting episode. With Dororo feeling ill, Hyakkimaru is going to have to find a way to communicate with someone to help him... So Dororo's parents were fighting against Daigo. So what will happen if he finds out that Hyakkimaru is Daigo's son? Always has to be a traitor... Damn the arrows! "It must be difficult traveling with such a young girl." Well there's your confirmation folks. "Did the nun say anything about me!?" Hyakkimaru remains silent. Either he knows but doesn't want to say it, or he didn't understand at all. I guess we'll never know... Well now, Daigo knows that Hyakkimaru is out there somewhere. A Dororo focused episode. I wonder if Itachi is still alive. If he is, then you know where this is going. |
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nightcrawlercyp said: vipergod said: But most were totally mindless savage beasts in history. The romanticized version of them is a lie.they don't need to follow manga to make a good adoption, i think new series is much better than both manga and old series ,mostly bcuz of hyakimaru! about Ur points 1-maybe they want to use him later on in the story 2-actually it makes more sense for samuraie to feed ppl for recruiting man power! rather than being totally mindless savage beasts! 3-well this one is totally up to u, they were feeding ppl to recruit soldiers and manpower(as itachi said)!thats a good strategy, no one romanticized them. |
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Escaethorne said: The view that samurai/lords were some inherently evil construct. It's driven by the petty sentiment of "they have more power than me therefore they're bad". I'm not saying we should imitate the past, but it's ignorant to think that the past was some time of constant war where rulers constantly feasted and the peasantry rolled around in the mud eating worms or some dumb shit. I thought it was pretty obvious that the samurai are portrayed as inherently evil because, y'know, their lord literally traded his son's organs for power. I don't think this anime is meant to be a historical representation of feudal Japan. If anything it's cringy that you're trying to make out like the intention of the anime is to be 'samurai r bad' propaganda - reaching much? |
| I already knew since the stage play version had an actress as Dororo but now I can say it without spoilers. Both Hyakkimaru and Dororo don't have dongs. |
DaddyKiwi said: I gotta say, what Dororo's mother did was completely idiotic. Why would she immobilize herself just so that Dororo can have a couple sips of soup? I figure staying strong so that you can support your child would be a priority, but I guess not. Dude, this wasn't the modern times where everyone could help anyone, it was the war where food was difficult to find and cultivate if she didn't somehow get the soup Dororo might have starved to death but geeeeee guess it's stupid of her to take care of her child and even willing to sacrifice feeling pain |
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vipergod said: Those people were unfit to fight even after being fed. It makes no sense. Also there was no compulsion to enlist related to the food so again makes no sense. About the romanticized part have you ever wondered why the Japanase have so many legends with cursed blades that posses the user? Is because samurai tended to cut off peasants pretty often with their swords for mild annoyances at best and needed a way not to be seen as evil. Not that knights did not do stuff like this from time to time. It was just that they had no qualms about how they are viewed.nightcrawlercyp said: But most were totally mindless savage beasts in history. The romanticized version of them is a lie. they were feeding ppl to recruit soldiers and manpower(as itachi said)!thats a good strategy, no one romanticized them. |
LeSponge said: dororo is a REVERSE TRAP!!!! Anyways nice to see the past of dororo... its just a sad one to see how her parents have died... We can say that people who thought Dororo is a boy were TRAPped. |
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| Really weak honestly. Dororo's backstory was already implied this adds pretty much nothing and it's not a very interesting backstory anyways. Pointless episode, the only thing i liked was Hyakkimaru talking and smelling flowers. |
| Very touching backstory. Now should we move on to next few episodes? Can't wait to see Hyakkimaru back in action. |
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| Surprised about her gender reveal but that make sense, good episode |
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| I don't think "portraying samurai as evil is propaganda" but it's true that we need to know the historical background of Dororo. In 1950s, historians believed that samurai's origin is empowered lower class people. Samurai was the embodiment of commoners power. A famous Marxist historian called Tadashi Ishimoda advocated the theory. In the 60s, however, that theory was denied by several historians. They focused on samurai's connection with upper-class and defined samurai as military contractors. It is called 軍事貴族/military nobility in historical terminology. That kind of theories also turned people's eyes on samurai's exploitation and tyranny. (The historical definition of samurai went to the next phase later but I skip it) The original manga of Dororo was released in 1967. In those days, the second protest movement against the US-Japan alliance was coming and anti-Vietnam war movement was popular too. Tezuka himself once drew a illustrated guide for resistance movement against police. People were looking for fictions of oppressed people. Plus, Marxism was quite common in those days. Many intelligent people believed the "historical destiny" of proletariat. Jidaigeki/samurai fiction genre was a very good material for those movements. The best example of those samurai fictions is Sanpei Shirato. Sanpei Shirato themselves are Marxist and they made a perfect samurai manga for Marxist in 1950s to 1970s.  Since Sanpei Shirato's manga was one of the biggest inspiration source for Dororo, "propaganda" was inevitable in Dororo's case. Tezuka himself experienced WW2 and he was a liberalist anyway. People including Shirato and Tezuka were looking for "power of the people" into historical fictions. That kind of samurai scenes are a bit cliched and sometimes wrong but we should still remember that samurai were cruel rulers. "Details are wrong but the core message is right" in any of those cases. Samurai made more and more ruined villages and turned people into hungry mercenaries. That made the warfare bigger and bigger. Samurai's order, especially late Muromachi era and Shokuhou era, was a pure hell to many people. Young creators should make more historically-accurate fictions but that doesn't make Dororo any less interesting. |
e_hobaMar 6, 2019 6:43 AM
e_hoba said: I don't think "portraying samurai as evil is propaganda" but it's true that we need to know the historical background of Dororo. In 1950s, historians believed that samurai's origin is empowered lower class people. Samurai was the embodiment of commoners power. A famous Marxist historian called Tadashi Ishimoda advocated the theory. In the 60s, however, that theory was denied by several historians. They focused on samurai's connection with upper-class and defined samurai as military contractors. It is called 軍事貴族/military nobility in historical terminology. That kind of theories also turned people's eyes on samurai's exploitation and tyranny. (The historical definition of samurai went to the next phase later but I skip it) The original manga of Dororo was released in 1967. In those days, the second protest movement against the US-Japan alliance was coming and anti-Vietnam war movement was popular too. Tezuka himself once drew a illustrated guide for resistance movement against police. People were looking for fictions of oppressed people. Plus, Marxism was quite common in those days. Many intelligent people believed the "historical destiny" of proletariat. Jidaigeki/samurai fiction genre was a very good material for those movements. The best example of those samurai fictions is Sanpei Shirato. Sanpei Shirato themselves are Marxist and they made a perfect samurai manga for Marxist in 1950s to 1970s. Since Sanpei Shirato's manga was one of the heaviest inspiration source for Dororo, "propaganda" was inevitable in Dororo's case. Tezuka himself experienced WW2 and he was a liberalist anyway. People including Shirato and Tezuka were looking for "power of the people" into historical fictions. That kind of samurai scenes are a bit cliched and sometimes wrong but we should still remember that samurai were cruel rulers. "Details are wrong but the core message is right" in any of those cases. Samurai made more and more ruined villages and turned people into hungry mercenaries. That made the warfare bigger and bigger. Samurai's order, especially late Muromachi era and Shokuhou era, was a pure hell to many people. Young creators should make more historically-accurate fictions but that doesn't make Dororo any less interesting. It's awesome to learn the circumstances of the manga, thanks :D I totally agree that Dororo is not meant to be historically accurate, and that its core message shouldn't suffer because of it! Come on, guys, it has DEMONS in it, I mean, it's not a documentary obviously xD Also, I thinks a marxist interpretation is very appropriate for this anime, at least I like to see it that way :D I mean there is an obvious class war going on, those in positions of authority (figuratively - the samurai) and those who hold the capital, thus the power (figuratively - the lords) are abusing that power and are misstreating (to say the least) the working class and the weakest members of the society (the orphans, for example). Now, again, to clarify, I do realise it's not 100% historically accurate and it's just one way to interprete the anime, but in my opinon it's a very functional narrative that's relevent even today. In other words, the story just keeps on giving! :D Also, Dororo is a giiiiirl <3<3 Hyakki has an annoying little sister now, instead of a n annoying little bro xD I'm kidding, always loved Dororo <3 |
| Well, well, well, what have we here? While the pictures/direction were mostly good, the episode was mostly dull. The fact that Dororo knows she's a girl is not a problem for me, maybe it reduces her parents doing in favour of her own intelligence. Less effective than the 1969 episodes but sufficient, I guess. The only real loss is that Dororo's father never get to appear in a less positive light, making the story far more against the higher class. It's nice that they kept the mother feeding her 3/5 No fighting mother?! Despite peoples sayings above, monks offering the food seems more logical to me. vipergod said: I think that the new series is much better than both the manga and the old series , mostly because of hyakimaru! So you watched the first series too?! Didn't you like the three eps story about Dororo's past? What was the problem with them? |
Rei_IIIMar 5, 2019 10:19 PM
Grim1952 said: I don't see how setting up a major antagonist can be seen as pointless.Really weak honestly. Dororo's backstory was already implied this adds pretty much nothing and it's not a very interesting backstory anyways. Pointless episode, the only thing i liked was Hyakkimaru talking and smelling flowers. |
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| We have an episode dedicated to Dororo's past....So, Dororo is a girl. |
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Fayrin said: Do you think Hyakkimaru could distinguish people's gender through looking at their souls? I was pretty sure he was attracted to Mio both for being a girl around his age and a very gentle soul. Well, the title of the episode tried to warn me, but the mercilessness portrayed here was still too much. This was another heartwrenching episode, and I doubt it's going to be the last. As expected Dororo's past is no pleasant memory. Her parents were kind and strong, but they were betrayed by a coward who might very well still be alive somewhere. "The war will end some day, you mustn't lose to it until then." That's what Dororo's mother told her even as she was dying... The lengths she went for her child, allowing her hands to be burned like that for a bit of soup. It hurts. Hyakkimaru did his best to talk when he noticed that Dororo wasn't fine, but he is still a guy of few words, I do wonder if he even cares about it and/or understands the difference between boys and girls for Dororo's secret to matter to him. I also don't like how his "father" is closing on him, but I'm sure that his soul is going to be very red. Because if so, Dororo wouldn't need to worry about her body being seen by Hyakkimaru (he hasn't even got his eyesight back anyway), since he might have already found out about it long ago when he first saw through her soul. JizzyHitler said: Besides, he got a companion who never stops talking even from before when he hadn't got his hearing back. MitchellMi said: its magic I aint got to explain shitHow can Hyakkimaru even understand the language when he lived his entire life without sound? Though to be fair, they do seem to be portraying it that he doesnt actually fully understand everything yet and just slowly learning hence why his speech is so broken and brief. |
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| Dororo's past was trully sad, now we know everything about Dororo's past, her father was a brave warrior and her mother did her best for her sun, her dead was touching! And didn't knew that Dororo was a girl! |
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Rei366 said: vipergod said: I think that the new series is much better than both the manga and the old series , mostly because of hyakimaru! So you watched the first series too?! Didn't you like the three eps story about Dororo's past? What was the problem with them? I was talking about 2 series in general not dororos BG, as i said mostly bcuz of haikymaru! in original haykimaru is basically a complete human he can talk ,hear, do every thing(telepathically whatever), while he doesn't have "48" organs! (still alive btw) new series tried to fix lots of plot holes that exist in old one and gave the story a better atmosphere and art style matching the story! |
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| The tradgedy of war is a bitch... Also when dororo’s mom told them to pour the soup in her hands to feed dororo my heart was crumbling :( |
am1llsMar 5, 2019 10:34 PM
| He killed a dude with the spear he was impaled with. Dororo's dad had one hell of a badass death. Overall really enjoyed the episode. |
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| Was waiting for this episode on Dororo's past. And I was surprised it was revealed so early that Dororo is actually a girl. Well now I can call her she in these discussions. |
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electromagneto said: Do you think Hyakkimaru could distinguish people's gender through looking at their souls? I was pretty sure he was attracted to Mio both for being a girl around his age and a very gentle soul. Because if so, Dororo wouldn't need to worry about her body being seen by Hyakkimaru (he hasn't even got his eyesight back anyway), since he might have already found out about it long ago when he first saw through her soul. I assumed he was attracted to her voice/singing. From what we've seen of how he 'sees' people, he could probably tell Mio was a woman based on her body shape, but Dororo is still a child and so practically indistinguishable at this point. |
| Manjushage a.k.a Red spider lily well that was nice to know! Who would have thought Dororo wasn't a young boy! apparently the way Dororo acts was confirmed a bit worried that Hyakkimaru might found-out. But i guess Hyakkimaru already knew since long before... What a harsh childhood life of Dororo, and I think Dororo learned skill to survive because of what that jerk Itachi said to them... 4/5. |
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| So Diego's backstory is a reference to DORORO? That kinda caught me off guard. |
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electromagneto said: Do you think Hyakkimaru could distinguish people's gender through looking at their souls? I was pretty sure he was attracted to Mio both for being a girl around his age and a very gentle soul. Because if so, Dororo wouldn't need to worry about her body being seen by Hyakkimaru (he hasn't even got his eyesight back anyway), since he might have already found out about it long ago when he first saw through her soul. I don't think so. He is still like a newborn baby with little to no knowledge about the ways of the world so I'm inclined to believe that something like gender doesn't matter to him at all. I think he was attracted to Mio because of her gentle voice/song and pure soul, she just happened to be a girl. So yes, I don't think Dororo has anything to worry about, he cares about her. |
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Fayrin said: Oh yeah, I remember. It must be a great relief for him to hear her singing in the midst of the crowded sounds all around which his newly regained ears had to adjust. electromagneto said: Do you think Hyakkimaru could distinguish people's gender through looking at their souls? I was pretty sure he was attracted to Mio both for being a girl around his age and a very gentle soul. Because if so, Dororo wouldn't need to worry about her body being seen by Hyakkimaru (he hasn't even got his eyesight back anyway), since he might have already found out about it long ago when he first saw through her soul. I don't think so. He is still like a newborn baby with little to no knowledge about the ways of the world so I'm inclined to believe that something like gender doesn't matter to him at all. I think he was attracted to Mio because of her gentle voice/song and pure soul, she just happened to be a girl. So yes, I don't think Dororo has anything to worry about, he cares about her. So, it might just be Dororo reacting naturally as when you assume someone to have seen yourself naked. |
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| 15 minutes after I watch episode 9 I realized... "Wait, Dororo is a girl!?!?!?" |
| They should have made Dororo‘s story two episodes long :( it could be so much better... |
| The food scene reminded me of Steel Ball Run and Diego's mom :0 she did the same thing. ALSO, Dororo is a SHE?! I mean, it was never, like, -confirmed- that he was male but I also didn't expect it because of the voice ajdflkajdfkjlakjf INTERESTING |
| Damn i can't resist this episode is so sad T-T |
| Damn...another sad episode :/ Poor Dororo. I feel so bad about his dad...getting betrayed in this way...damn :/ |
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nightcrawlercyp said: lona_catee said: Normally the reveal with be much later. They hurried things a lot a made quite a messI knew he was a traitor! also cute dororo now hopefully no one will scream in my face that it is a spoiler to call her a she! Oh nice to know, it felt weird a Dororo episode being so predictable, so they rushed it and change it. |
| Damn, unreal episode. Dororo has suffered so much...I can only hope for a happy ending for her. |
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