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Oct 26, 2015 6:09 AM

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opiktea said:
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nope ur just the one who seems to get annoyed

none of the characters annoyed me

wait, i get the impression that you implying that hanekawa was annoying in some previous page, conclusion: she annoys you!

i'm sorry, did you worship oshino ougi? because your PP gave me a misleading impression.

well, alright, that's like, your oppinion, man.....
i've tasted NisioIsin other work so i am pretty confident to say that he's a collosal jack ass,
in a good way....
lol hanekawa doesn't exist to me she annoys me tooo no end!
Oct 26, 2015 11:21 AM

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GG!! Good fight Hanekawa , Ougi :D. So , everything comes to boobs. boob is justice!!!

almost one episode , hanekawa and ougi fighting with word. The tension was getting higher when they start the arguments. this is the best episode so far. and hanekawa is the best character so far for me.

hmm... and

please don't make this kind of scene again appear. that was a little bit suprised me.

LOL This face of Hanekawa though. Her face like "Back Off!!! BITCH!!!".
Oct 26, 2015 2:58 PM

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Ougi levelled up, from creepy to downright scary. At least her persistence definitely did. Luckily, Hanekawa (and her breasts) saved the day.
Oct 26, 2015 3:33 PM

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Ougi Downright bullied and talked down to Hanekawa. Her last card was the breast, The foreshadowing was amazing though.
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Oct 26, 2015 5:12 PM

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Oshino Ougi was especially creepy in this episode.
Oct 26, 2015 9:25 PM

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I think menacing more than creepy. I think Hitagi should have gone after her with her fists, rather than Oikura, since Ougi seems inordinately interested in Araragi and has some sort of unwholesome power over him.
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Oct 26, 2015 9:49 PM

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HANEKAWA YOU BEST GIRL!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha
Oct 27, 2015 2:01 AM
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I think Ougi is an oddity that has a pretty strong ability to manipulate Araragi. She does a lot of suggestion and leading and essentially influences him to the point she's making decisions for him. The "non-revolving sushi" date is a tactic used by a lot of people to prey on those who are generally really busy or have bad memory. I know this from first hand experience. However her knowledge of him and the events surrounding him and her appearance (eyes), suggest she has to be some sort of entity that was sent by someone to influence him or stems from himself. I guess we will see later.
Oct 27, 2015 5:19 AM

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moodie said:
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Welp that was a pointless time waster episode unless you watch it for the visuals or some mildly amusing banter...
3 minute of content got stretched out to 20 minutes.

Monogatari is such a strange franchise because the difference between its good and bad installments/episodes is so extreme...Sometimes you get Tsukimonogatari garbage and then they give you Hitagi End.
this set up sodachi lost perfectly? besides u have no idea what implications were made in this episode in fact it does more than u probably think but alas ur just an anime watcher so i can excuse such ignorance

"You don't understand it because you haven't seen/read/masturbated to the source material!" You fit right in with the general MAL userbase.

Sure... because it couldn't have possibly been a mediocre episode if you enjoyed it, oh mighty light novel reader.
But you are just a big fan of the franchise so I can excuse such arrogance
Oct 27, 2015 5:32 AM
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TheNaturalPerm said:

"You don't understand it because you haven't seen/read/masturbated to the source material!" You fit right in with the general MAL userbase.

Sure... because it couldn't have possibly been a mediocre episode if you enjoyed it, oh mighty light novel reader.
But you are just a big fan of the franchise so I can excuse such arrogance


sounds more like your the general MAL fanbase who cant enjoy anything unless action happens.

this has been repeated a lot in monogatari, how are you still here?
mayoi snail had a lot of episodes with araragi just sitting down talking with mayoi and walking around talking with her. it was also in nisemono where the first ep was basically just araragi walking around with mayoi talking about random stuff.

look I dont even read the novels yet I can understand all of this shit easily.
SHAFT even goes the extra mile in making it obvious through symbolic imagery and character expressions to make it easier for ignorant guys like you to get whats going on. I mean, im pretty sure that the novels just write down what the characters are saying and maybe what araragi is thinking, nothing like "araragi is riding in a conveyor belt while hanekawa is just walking, to show how araragi is just blindingly going with the flow and not really making his own decisions".
Oct 27, 2015 5:35 AM

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TheNaturalPerm said:

Sure... because it couldn't have possibly been a mediocre episode if you enjoyed it, oh mighty light novel reader.
But you are just a big fan of the franchise so I can excuse such arrogance


It's just easier to see the important parts in hindsight. The people who have read ahead already know the significance of certain scenes and are enjoying seeing them animated.
Oct 27, 2015 6:24 AM

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silvercover said:
TheNaturalPerm said:

"You don't understand it because you haven't seen/read/masturbated to the source material!" You fit right in with the general MAL userbase.

Sure... because it couldn't have possibly been a mediocre episode if you enjoyed it, oh mighty light novel reader.
But you are just a big fan of the franchise so I can excuse such arrogance


sounds more like your the general MAL fanbase who cant enjoy anything unless action happens.

this has been repeated a lot in monogatari, how are you still here?
mayoi snail had a lot of episodes with araragi just sitting down talking with mayoi and walking around talking with her. it was also in nisemono where the first ep was basically just araragi walking around with mayoi talking about random stuff.

look I dont even read the novels yet I can understand all of this shit easily.
SHAFT even goes the extra mile in making it obvious through symbolic imagery and character expressions to make it easier for ignorant guys like you to get whats going on. I mean, im pretty sure that the novels just write down what the characters are saying and maybe what araragi is thinking, nothing like "araragi is riding in a conveyor belt while hanekawa is just walking, to show how araragi is just blindingly going with the flow and not really making his own decisions".

I guess you didn't see the quotation marks around the source material comment huh? This stuff isn't hard to understand. But the guy I quoted basically made that statement...and that gets tossed around a lot on here. It's beyond silly to belittle someone because he hasn't read the fking source material.
Monogatari's symbolism couldn't be more 'in your face'.
You don't need to read jackshit of the novels to understand it. That was my point.

very funny that you needed a 2nd account to make that comment.

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Oct 27, 2015 7:22 AM

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gud episode and all.

But I can't hack Hanekawa and Ougi at the same time. Both of them are equally annoying af.

Sucks because I'm going to see Hanekawa once AGAIN in Kizumonogatari.

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Oct 27, 2015 7:28 AM

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TheNaturalPerm said:
silvercover said:


sounds more like your the general MAL fanbase who cant enjoy anything unless action happens.

this has been repeated a lot in monogatari, how are you still here?
mayoi snail had a lot of episodes with araragi just sitting down talking with mayoi and walking around talking with her. it was also in nisemono where the first ep was basically just araragi walking around with mayoi talking about random stuff.

look I dont even read the novels yet I can understand all of this shit easily.
SHAFT even goes the extra mile in making it obvious through symbolic imagery and character expressions to make it easier for ignorant guys like you to get whats going on. I mean, im pretty sure that the novels just write down what the characters are saying and maybe what araragi is thinking, nothing like "araragi is riding in a conveyor belt while hanekawa is just walking, to show how araragi is just blindingly going with the flow and not really making his own decisions".

I guess you didn't see the quotation marks around the source material comment huh? This stuff isn't hard to understand. But the guy I quoted basically made that statement...and that gets tossed around a lot on here. It's beyond silly to belittle someone because he hasn't read the fking source material.
Monogatari's symbolism couldn't be more 'in your face'.
You don't need to read jackshit of the novels to understand it. That was my point.

very funny that you needed a 2nd account to make that comment.

im guessing ur not understanding the lvl of foreshadowing that is happening

but alas u will know one day and realize the importance of this episode…till then u have the right to think its on the bad side…its all a matter of perception at the end of the day
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Oct 27, 2015 7:33 AM

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Good ole Hanekawa.

I don't watch as much anime as before...
Oct 27, 2015 4:44 PM

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Kizumonogatari is killing this season
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Oct 27, 2015 5:55 PM
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Again, the directing was very good in this episode. Damn you cliffhanger.
Oct 27, 2015 6:32 PM
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TheNaturalPerm said:

I guess you didn't see the quotation marks around the source material comment huh? This stuff isn't hard to understand. But the guy I quoted basically made that statement...and that gets tossed around a lot on here. It's beyond silly to belittle someone because he hasn't read the fking source material.
Monogatari's symbolism couldn't be more 'in your face'.
You don't need to read jackshit of the novels to understand it. That was my point.

very funny that you needed a 2nd account to make that comment.



oh sorry for misunderstanding, I thought you were one of those guys who kept up with an anime just to spite it like that one guy here, who il respond to next ep since he probably wont check this thread days after the ep is done.

ah no, im not his dupe. im just more of a lurker than poster.

you can can have the mods check if you dont believe me.
silvercoverOct 27, 2015 6:36 PM
Oct 27, 2015 9:31 PM
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skudoops said:
I think Ougi is an oddity that has a pretty strong ability to manipulate Araragi. She does a lot of suggestion and leading and essentially influences him to the point she's making decisions for him. The "non-revolving sushi" date is a tactic used by a lot of people to prey on those who are generally really busy or have bad memory. I know this from first hand experience. However her knowledge of him and the events surrounding him and her appearance (eyes), suggest she has to be some sort of entity that was sent by someone to influence him or stems from himself. I guess we will see later.


Oddities always originate from a person. After this episode, if Ougi is an oddity it's very clear who originated her/him/it :)
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Oct 28, 2015 9:16 AM

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Quite the tension there and atmosphere. Pretty decent episode, but I guess that's cuz of Part One. Good Hanekawa though!
Oct 28, 2015 10:43 AM

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wakka9ca said:

Oddities always originate from a person. After this episode, if Ougi is an oddity it's very clear who originated her/him/it :)

The full answer lies in the Ougi Dark arc, so a few years away.
Oct 29, 2015 4:50 AM

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What is the motivation of Ougi to go to Sodachi house in the first place? Why is she interested in it?
Oct 29, 2015 5:46 AM

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oFFoy said:
What is the motivation of Ougi to go to Sodachi house in the first place? Why is she interested in it?

Who does have a reason to be interested?
Oct 29, 2015 11:11 AM

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moodie said:
opiktea said:

wait, i get the impression that you implying that hanekawa was annoying in some previous page, conclusion: she annoys you!

i'm sorry, did you worship oshino ougi? because your PP gave me a misleading impression.

well, alright, that's like, your oppinion, man.....
i've tasted NisioIsin other work so i am pretty confident to say that he's a collosal jack ass,
in a good way....
lol hanekawa doesn't exist to me she annoys me tooo no end!

I'm truly curious as to why Hanekawa annoys you so much. Not in a waifu wars bs type of way. From a logical stand point.
Oct 29, 2015 3:17 PM

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You think Senjougahara would get pissed if Araragi touched Hanekawa's breasts? I mean, Senjougahara touched them herself, so it's only fair that Araragi gets his chance.
Oct 29, 2015 6:38 PM

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So Ougi does have hands after all.
Oct 30, 2015 4:56 PM

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Hanekawa.....flawless victory.
Nov 1, 2015 11:41 PM

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so much girl clashing again! (Hanekawa vs Ougi) even Araragi is perplexed!
I also want to touch Hanekawa's oppai! hehe
4/5.


Nov 7, 2015 11:55 PM

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Anyway, still really loving this season. Hopefully we get to see a pyjama party with Hanekawa and Senjougahara some time :P

Looks like people are forgetting that the first 4 arcs (Ougi Formula, Sodachi riddle, Sodachi lost and Shinobu Mail) happens at the same time with Nekomonogatari: Shiro and Onimonogatari (From Monogatari Series: Second Season).
Nov 21, 2015 9:25 AM

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There were some epic verbal battles in this episode.
Nov 22, 2015 5:06 AM

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Holy hell, that standoff was epic.

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Dec 21, 2015 9:12 AM

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Arargi sure was in a pinch right there, quite interesting development, but again a lot of information to swallow!
Jan 2, 2016 6:45 PM

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Being Koyomi is suffering. Ep 4.

Plot: Oikura has been absent after the incident with Senjougahara. So Koyomi decided to visit her to see what's wrong. Buuuut Ougi wants to come. But Hanekawa doesn't want that and decides to intervene. After a pretty tense back and forth, Koyomi chooses one of the few right answers: Breasts. And so he arrives at Oikura's home.

Character: Ougi vs Hanekawa was a tense affair. While I knew it wouldn't come to blows, there was just sooo much tension brimming under the surface.

Animation/sound: I liked the various poses Ougi did. Really sets her up as something unworldy and considering whatever influence she has over Koyomi, it certainly fits. And Hanekawa's *Bi^ch say what?" face was just soooo good to see.



Sayonara no Yukue is a nice tune.

4/5. It was a neat distraction and that showdown.

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I go where I wanna go, even if its into Oppai.
Jan 8, 2016 3:12 AM

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The tension between Ougi and Hanekawa ... I felt it for sure.
Love how quick the scene changed when Hanekawa promised Araragi to touch her breasts :D

Amazing that Hanekawa was defeated that fast by Oikura in terms of discussion.
Jan 26, 2016 8:52 AM

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Omg, I really wanna know the mystery involving Ougi... What exactly is she? The devil himself maybe... She's so creepy.
Feb 15, 2016 1:18 AM

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Magical Hanekawa's boobs are ultimate argument ofc <3
I don't like Ougi, she's spooky, and I don't like that she forces Koyomi constantly saying that he said something when in reality he didn't say certain things, and I don't like that he always agrees with her, it seems that she manipulates his mind somehow, like hypnosis etc.

I'm not that big fan of Hanekawa but I defenitely prefer her over Ougi and I like her more and more every episode, and it was good to see her and Koyomi together. Like you know, Hanekawa = home sweet home especially after Ougi sessions. Also her jealousy is funny to watch and she's so cool in her yandere mode.
Generally this is just stupid, entire episode dedicated to road to Sodachi but Hanekawa makes it tasty (well Hachikuji would be better choice for Murarargi-san lol)

Yandere Hanekawa FTW!

turn into neko Hanekawa and tear Ougi down

Yeah you are flat, deal with it, every girl kicks your flat ass not to mention Hanekawa. Makes me pity her though, GAMAN!

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Oppai fot the win!!

And yeah has Ougi enchanted Araragi or something? something is definitely off here.
Aug 15, 2016 8:46 PM

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Oshino Ougi...her very existence is very questionable. And She Wears gloves?
Strange. And she seems eager to take Araragi rather than letting Hanekawa take him.
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Sep 8, 2016 2:05 PM

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Basically... Hanekawa boobs >>>> everything else :D

Finally! Great episode! This one reminded me much why I like Monogatari series unlike three episode before.
Clever dialogue, great exchanges and the way Hanekawa and Ougi battled for Araragi was just great... maybe even too great to make Hanekawa so motivated to go there cause one have to wonder if Ougi hasn't planned that visit for two of them from the start.

But really, how dense can Araragi be? I always thought he's bit more understanding, yet on the second thought they had shown very nicely what women can do with men if they want.
Ougi is clearly manipulating him into doing what SHE wants and if anyone hesitated before whether she is main antagonist or not this episode had to clearly convice them.
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harsh confrontation between Oshino Ougi and Hanekawa in the enter of school. There are more that i watch and heard.....

Hanekawa win for K.O. (...Touch my tits...) xD
Oct 3, 2016 11:00 AM

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Boobs > Manipulation xD
But if Hanekawa talks her way out of this once again...
Dec 9, 2016 7:10 AM

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Even tho he said he didn't choose Hanekawa to come with him to Oikura's place for the Oppais, it's prob the Oppais.
Feb 17, 2017 8:22 PM

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Ougi is creepy but cute.

Hanekawa's offer was awesome, very funny, i like they friendship.

Good episode 5/5
Jul 5, 2017 2:56 PM
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i hate this crossdressing annoying ougi. so pretentious. her dialogues are nothing but that.
Oct 9, 2017 2:33 PM

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I hate Ougi so much. So creppy, so annoying.


So with this episode we actually get confirmation that Araragi is indeed stupid. I can't believe how he believes everything Ougi says, even if he hasn't said or promised those things. It's like, he has no opinion at all or something?

Dude, get a hold on yourself. The girl is not even cute so i can't justify it like Nadeko swinging you bc you kinda liked her.

Hanekawa was precious in this episode, at least someone sane enough to notice something's not right and that Ougi is actually full of lies and evil.
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Nov 2, 2017 9:56 AM

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Another great episode. Ugh.

It's evident that Hanekawa hates Ougi; she even lowkey said it herself. Hehe.

Hanekawa decided to visit Hitagi and Oikura for since that incident happened between them, they're both not going to school. Their initial plan is to split, so it'll save time, and Araragi chose to visit Oikura instead of his girlfriend. Then when Araragi was about to go to Oikura's house, he came across Ougi. Hehehe. Ougi, you cutie.

Ougi and Hanekawa made him choose who he wants to go with to go to Oikura. And he chose Hanekawa because her offer is she'll let him touch his breast. Hahahahahaha! Pervert Araragi strikes again.

I honestly love the unsettling faces Ougi makes. Ugh. It makes me love her more. I s2g something's wrong with me. Hehe.

That endcard, though. Araragi looking at me in a lewd way while touching his cowlick. Hahahaha. Stop, me!

P.S. OUGI IS SO BEAUTIFUL THIS EPISODE. OHMYGOD. <3

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Nov 7, 2017 6:23 AM
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One of Hanekawa's best moments
Dec 28, 2017 5:31 AM

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10/10 episode, the exchange between Hanekawa and Ougi was so delightful to watch and really showcases what the series is about :-)
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Jan 9, 2018 11:04 AM

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yep i was right Ougi is after Araragi's D lol
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I love Ougi so much, she is very mysterious, cute and interesting!
Hanekawa arguing with Ougi was suprisingly engaging and cool. Hope to see more things like this in the future episodes.
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