Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Sep 5, 2015 3:11 PM
#101
asafn said: why i still watch it?.. I wanna know too |
Sep 5, 2015 3:12 PM
#102
Forgetfulness said: lani-anela said: There's a part where it shows Flamie's mouth moving while Adlet's voice is narrating during the flashbackForgetfulness said: lani-anela said: For the flashback part in the forest, the audio doesn't match up with what they said last episode.I'm confused about Adlet's confession. It was done as a flash back, and yet looking back to the previous episode when they were talking in that scene he never said 'I love you' then. Was that just a mistake? It's simply showing the animation from last episode, and Adlet (in the present) is narrating over it Really? When I watch it the audio does match the animation, and his voice has an echo-like effect on it to show it's a flash back, not his voice as it is in the present... That's not in the version I've got o_O |
Sep 5, 2015 3:13 PM
#103
Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Gotta appreciate how good actor Maura is,being the fake and all. She is far from dumb,as some people here say. I'd say she actually is dumb no matter if she's the seventh or not. If she is the seventh, her lying about Hans and over eagerness to label Adlet the seventh and kill him makes her suspicious - if Adlet were to die now, upon which it would be revealed he was a Brave, I think the next most likely suspect in everyone's eyes would be her. Hans already suspects her, as this episode has shown. If she isn't the seventh she is also dumb, as she stubbornly continues to believe Adlet is the seventh despite all evidence to the contrary, refusing to even consider anyone else. You could almost say that she is too suspicous to be true. Thus,being a fake and all,it is still helpful,because you could disregard the suspicion based on the idea that the culprit would by no means by THAT suspicious. The entire trap is rather elaborate to be made by someone stupid. She is the leader of the temples,so that makes her rather intelligent. Adlet was also too suspicious to be true, though. When they first thought that he was the seventh, he was the most likely suspect by far. And yet, no one thought that that was too convenient to be true except Adlet himself (of course), and they all turned on him relatively quickly. I'm not sure Maura would be able to avoid suspicion following Adlet's death by saying "I'm too suspicious, so I can't be the seventh". Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:14 PM
#104
Love this series don't really understand people getting frustrated. Of course they would reveal who is the 7th at the end of the series. Maura or Bunny girl seems to be the choice. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:15 PM
#105
Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Gotta appreciate how good actor Maura is,being the fake and all. She is far from dumb,as some people here say. I'd say she actually is dumb no matter if she's the seventh or not. If she is the seventh, her lying about Hans and over eagerness to label Adlet the seventh and kill him makes her suspicious - if Adlet were to die now, upon which it would be revealed he was a Brave, I think the next most likely suspect in everyone's eyes would be her. Hans already suspects her, as this episode has shown. If she isn't the seventh she is also dumb, as she stubbornly continues to believe Adlet is the seventh despite all evidence to the contrary, refusing to even consider anyone else. You could almost say that she is too suspicous to be true. Thus,being a fake and all,it is still helpful,because you could disregard the suspicion based on the idea that the culprit would by no means by THAT suspicious. The entire trap is rather elaborate to be made by someone stupid. She is the leader of the temples,so that makes her rather intelligent. Adlet was also too suspicious to be true, though. When they first thought that he was the seventh, he was the most likely suspect by far. And yet, no one thought that that was too convenient to be true except Adlet himself (of course), and they all turned on him relatively quickly. I'm not sure Maura would be able to avoid suspicion following Adlet's death by saying "I'm too suspicious, so I can't be the seventh". Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Mora isn't the 7th she's just a bitch that likes to spank little kids. Poor Chamot all she wanted was to have fun with a kitty. |
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Sep 5, 2015 3:17 PM
#106
bobzanny said: Mora isn't the 7th she's just a bitch that likes to spank little kids. Poor Chamot all she wanted was to have fun with a kitty. If Chamot was real, I think I might reconsider my views on corporal punishment for children. Obviously Maura needed to spank her MORE when she was younger. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:19 PM
#107
Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Gotta appreciate how good actor Maura is,being the fake and all. She is far from dumb,as some people here say. I'd say she actually is dumb no matter if she's the seventh or not. If she is the seventh, her lying about Hans and over eagerness to label Adlet the seventh and kill him makes her suspicious - if Adlet were to die now, upon which it would be revealed he was a Brave, I think the next most likely suspect in everyone's eyes would be her. Hans already suspects her, as this episode has shown. If she isn't the seventh she is also dumb, as she stubbornly continues to believe Adlet is the seventh despite all evidence to the contrary, refusing to even consider anyone else. You could almost say that she is too suspicous to be true. Thus,being a fake and all,it is still helpful,because you could disregard the suspicion based on the idea that the culprit would by no means by THAT suspicious. The entire trap is rather elaborate to be made by someone stupid. She is the leader of the temples,so that makes her rather intelligent. Adlet was also too suspicious to be true, though. When they first thought that he was the seventh, he was the most likely suspect by far. And yet, no one thought that that was too convenient to be true except Adlet himself (of course), and they all turned on him relatively quickly. I'm not sure Maura would be able to avoid suspicion following Adlet's death by saying "I'm too suspicious, so I can't be the seventh". Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? And IIRC,Flamie was also bit too obvious,but I think Adlet made that argument in her case. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:21 PM
#108
Also intelligent=/=open minded. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:22 PM
#109
Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Gotta appreciate how good actor Maura is,being the fake and all. She is far from dumb,as some people here say. I'd say she actually is dumb no matter if she's the seventh or not. If she is the seventh, her lying about Hans and over eagerness to label Adlet the seventh and kill him makes her suspicious - if Adlet were to die now, upon which it would be revealed he was a Brave, I think the next most likely suspect in everyone's eyes would be her. Hans already suspects her, as this episode has shown. If she isn't the seventh she is also dumb, as she stubbornly continues to believe Adlet is the seventh despite all evidence to the contrary, refusing to even consider anyone else. You could almost say that she is too suspicous to be true. Thus,being a fake and all,it is still helpful,because you could disregard the suspicion based on the idea that the culprit would by no means by THAT suspicious. The entire trap is rather elaborate to be made by someone stupid. She is the leader of the temples,so that makes her rather intelligent. Adlet was also too suspicious to be true, though. When they first thought that he was the seventh, he was the most likely suspect by far. And yet, no one thought that that was too convenient to be true except Adlet himself (of course), and they all turned on him relatively quickly. I'm not sure Maura would be able to avoid suspicion following Adlet's death by saying "I'm too suspicious, so I can't be the seventh". Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:23 PM
#110
Sep 5, 2015 3:24 PM
#111
Equitum said: i have to disagree if you haven't got spectator information about Adlet you would suspect him to .. As a inteligent person you would think that 7 ( after been discovered) would want to win Braves trust and then use it against it .Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:25 PM
#112
Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Gotta appreciate how good actor Maura is,being the fake and all. She is far from dumb,as some people here say. I'd say she actually is dumb no matter if she's the seventh or not. If she is the seventh, her lying about Hans and over eagerness to label Adlet the seventh and kill him makes her suspicious - if Adlet were to die now, upon which it would be revealed he was a Brave, I think the next most likely suspect in everyone's eyes would be her. Hans already suspects her, as this episode has shown. If she isn't the seventh she is also dumb, as she stubbornly continues to believe Adlet is the seventh despite all evidence to the contrary, refusing to even consider anyone else. You could almost say that she is too suspicous to be true. Thus,being a fake and all,it is still helpful,because you could disregard the suspicion based on the idea that the culprit would by no means by THAT suspicious. The entire trap is rather elaborate to be made by someone stupid. She is the leader of the temples,so that makes her rather intelligent. Adlet was also too suspicious to be true, though. When they first thought that he was the seventh, he was the most likely suspect by far. And yet, no one thought that that was too convenient to be true except Adlet himself (of course), and they all turned on him relatively quickly. I'm not sure Maura would be able to avoid suspicion following Adlet's death by saying "I'm too suspicious, so I can't be the seventh". Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. I am just providing arguments why it might not be so simple. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:25 PM
#113
Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:25 PM
#114
Forgetfulness said: lani-anela said: Not sure if we're talking about the same part of the episode, but I'm look at around 2:44Forgetfulness said: lani-anela said: There's a part where it shows Flamie's mouth moving while Adlet's voice is narrating during the flashbackForgetfulness said: lani-anela said: For the flashback part in the forest, the audio doesn't match up with what they said last episode.I'm confused about Adlet's confession. It was done as a flash back, and yet looking back to the previous episode when they were talking in that scene he never said 'I love you' then. Was that just a mistake? It's simply showing the animation from last episode, and Adlet (in the present) is narrating over it Really? When I watch it the audio does match the animation, and his voice has an echo-like effect on it to show it's a flash back, not his voice as it is in the present... When Adlet says "You know the pain of being betrayed by those you belived in and losing your home" Oh I see! I somehow missed that whole bit at the beginning and only saw the confession flashback at 19:17, which I thought was a flashback of the previous episode. Mystery solved! |
Sep 5, 2015 3:28 PM
#115
Sep 5, 2015 3:28 PM
#116
ViciLockhart said: Equitum said: i have to disagree if you haven't got spectator information about Adlet you would suspect him to .. As a inteligent person you would think that 7 ( after been discovered) would want to win Braves trust and then use it against it .Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Her suspicion of him and desire to kill him at any cost still strikes me as unreasonable. Certainly lying about him wounding Hans to get everyone to kill immediately was so. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:36 PM
#118
Equitum said: Yeah lying isss bad..;D she just wanted that anyone else would not fall for the trap of trusting in any means.. i would have done something similar probably..still her desire to kill Adlet at any cost is unreasonable as you say i remember she was the one at temple that stop Chamot and Hans from attacking/killing Adlet ..every other of her action is so far acceptableViciLockhart said: Equitum said: Also, just because she's the leader of the temples doesn't make her intelligent. If she isn't the seventh, for example, she's really close-minded and rather unreasonable. Her suspicion of him and desire to kill him at any cost still strikes me as unreasonable. Certainly lying about him wounding Hans to get everyone to kill immediately was so. |
ViciLockhartSep 5, 2015 3:39 PM
Sep 5, 2015 3:39 PM
#120
Sep 5, 2015 3:39 PM
#121
After watching this episode Im more convinced that the princess is the fake. Great episode. Hoping Hans escapes from Chamot and helps Adlet and Fremy. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:40 PM
#122
Kuroi-Akuma said: Why is this anime so underrated :// It's not underrated at all, its just overshadowed by the even larger audiences of Charlotte, Gangsta and Overlord. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:41 PM
#123
Tylaen said: bad i was shipping Adlet with Hans ;pSo Adlet experienced a case of love at first sight? How inappropriate for the mission! |
Sep 5, 2015 3:44 PM
#124
I want that fkn Maura dead.. What a bitch -.- Nashetanya going crazy as fk. Flamie so cute <3 btw, Adlet was "watching here" since they first met (it was kinda slow motion when they saved the dog, now we know why... adlet you naughty boy) |
Sep 5, 2015 3:46 PM
#125
Equitum said: Sometimes I just want Adlet to be killed just so they realize that he wasn't the seventh, and was actually a true Brave, when part of the symbol they all have disappears. I want to see them consumed by guilt for their actions. But then I remember that I don't actually want Adlet to die. Yup pretty much sums up my feelings. I wish I could see Mora's face when she realizes she was wrong--assuming she's not the fake. But no, NACHETANYA IS STILL SUSPICIOUS AF! It's totally her. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:48 PM
#126
Zefyris said: Equitum said: Euphemistic said: Adlet is pretty much nobody,but Maura is famous and has and authority,making her much more trustworthy in general. Adlet also made the fault of not making the argument. But then the events would probably not unfold,would they? Well, the two most likely suspects both have authority. Maura, as you said, is the leader of the temples, whereas Nachetanya is a princess. It's got to be one of them. Nashetania is the child of a puppet ruler. She has more authority as the head of the Temple of Blades than as the Piena Princess. Which means she has around as much authority as Chamo. Still,she is rather well know figure. Not in the same vein as Maura,but... |
Sep 5, 2015 3:52 PM
#127
Ahh ok I'm mad at Nach and Maura. They are supposed to be Saints and it went like this haha. Flamie was kinda annoying at the first half but I'm glad the second half developed her character. And dat confession. |
The world shall know the truth soon. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:54 PM
#128
Inugirlz said: Equitum said: Sometimes I just want Adlet to be killed just so they realize that he wasn't the seventh, and was actually a true Brave, when part of the symbol they all have disappears. I want to see them consumed by guilt for their actions. But then I remember that I don't actually want Adlet to die. Yup pretty much sums up my feelings. I wish I could see Mora's face when she realizes she was wrong--assuming she's not the fake. But no, NACHETANYA IS STILL SUSPICIOUS AF! It's totally her. I can't wait until the seventh is unmasked and Maura is like "Well ... shit. Sorry." (Assuming she isn't the seventh herself, and I don't think she is). |
Sep 5, 2015 3:54 PM
#129
I don't think that Nachetanya is the fake, I think that she just had a mental breakdown like she did in the Temple when she broke the tablet. She doesn't seem to deal with stressful situations very well. She just heard from Maura that the person she met at Day 1 of their journey, the person she trusted the most (other than Goldov) was the 7th. That could probably mess you up mentally. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:56 PM
#130
Zereleth said: I don't think that Nachetanya is the fake, I think that she just had a mental breakdown like she did in the Temple when she broke the tablet. She doesn't seem to deal with stressful situations very well. She just heard from Maura that the person she met at Day 1 of their journey, the person she trusted the most (other than Goldov) was the 7th. That could probably mess you up mentally. Or she's the seventh and just faking it ;) I mean, we've seen how she easily duped Adlet when they were travelling together and she pretended to be upset. She's a good actor. |
Sep 5, 2015 3:59 PM
#131
Equitum said: Zereleth said: I don't think that Nachetanya is the fake, I think that she just had a mental breakdown like she did in the Temple when she broke the tablet. She doesn't seem to deal with stressful situations very well. She just heard from Maura that the person she met at Day 1 of their journey, the person she trusted the most (other than Goldov) was the 7th. That could probably mess you up mentally. Or she's the seventh and just faking it ;) I mean, we've seen how she easily duped Adlet when they were travelling together and she pretended to be upset. She's a good actor. She could be faking it as well, I can't deny that :p. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:03 PM
#132
Sep 5, 2015 4:04 PM
#133
Nashetanya the fuckin BITCH...Moura another fuckin BITCH.....stupid single brain cell womens......srsly.....one is little crying spoiled bitch princess and the other is closed minded bitch that just neeeds to move forward with her and only HER thinking.....i hope the 7th will kick theyr asses.... |
SalathielSep 5, 2015 4:20 PM
[center]If you aren't troubling the rest of the world, then there's no harm in being abnormal. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:06 PM
#134
I legitimately don't know who it could be though, Moura seems too obvious, and Nachetanya seems too mentally unstable. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:12 PM
#135
Fuck yeah, Adlet x Flemy OTP confirmed! Nashetania is quite the yandere bitch, isn't she? She's so easily influenced, I wouldn't be surprised if she sucked off a dude if he told her it was "candy." Mora is a lying piece of of shit as well. I bet she's the 7th, given how much she's already deceived with her lies in order to kill Adlet. Chamo is a rotten brat. Godolf is a useless love-stucken tool. Hans may have been an enemy before, but at the very least he isn't an idiot like the rest of the aforementioned braves. I hope they ALL fucking die, except for Adlet and Flemy. Hans is still meh either way. That is the only outcome I can accept for me to give this series a passing score out of 10. But at the rate this series is going, I highly doubt we'll even reach a satisfying conclusion in time. But I'm ready for them to prove me wrong. update: Zereleth said: She's more mentally impaired in my eyes. I legitimately don't know who it could be though, Moura seems too obvious, and Nachetanya seems too mentally unstable. After thinking about it some more, Nashetania is quite the dumb bimbo. From the start of the series, she seemed like an airheaded girl that would go along with any guy that caught her interest. With her skimpy "bunny" armor on top of that, I can confidently say she probably sleeps around like a dumb rabbit in heat, and has the intelligence level of one as well. Why else would the writer give her a bunny-girl design? I bet it's a metaphor for her being a dumb slut. Flemy's design is an exception, because she was raised by demons...what the hell do they know about clothes? |
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Sep 5, 2015 4:22 PM
#136
Equitum said: I feel that the seventh will be revealed at the end of the next episode. 7th was reviled this ep,unless some bullshit happens and its someone other then mora |
Sep 5, 2015 4:23 PM
#137
People really seem to be forgetting about Goldov as a suspect... Circumstances around him are unclear enough and he has a reasonm so why it's always about princess, Maura or whoever had the most screentime for the week. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
Sep 5, 2015 4:41 PM
#138
I'll admit it. I got a bit scared when Nashetania semi-lost her shit. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:43 PM
#139
Antanaru said: People really seem to be forgetting about Goldov as a suspect... Circumstances around him are unclear enough and he has a reason so why it's always about princess, Maura or whoever had the most screentime for the week. I Don't think it's people forgetting about him as much as there are LARGE signs it's Nachetanya which could be just to throw us off. Signs like the way she acted in the temple, the song mentioned earlier in the thread, the heavy symbolism of folklore about trickster rabbits, suspicious behaviors and dialogue for seemingly no reason. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:47 PM
#140
juicykitten95 said: Equitum said: I feel that the seventh will be revealed at the end of the next episode. 7th was revealed this ep,unless some bullshit happens and its someone other then mora yup, the moment she lied about hans getting fatally wounded to guilt more adlet gave it away, there is no valid reason for a real brave to do something like that if it's really mora, chamo is going to look very guillible |
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Sep 5, 2015 4:50 PM
#141
Good episode (again). The princess is totally crazy - that was even beyond the legendary 'yandere mode' what she showed there. Maura is either the most narrow-minded person in existence, or an traitor. Hm, 5 cleared, 2 left. One of the saints is about to die unless they get help from their silent allies. |
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Sep 5, 2015 4:51 PM
#142
Zeando said: juicykitten95 said: Equitum said: I feel that the seventh will be revealed at the end of the next episode. 7th was revealed this ep,unless some bullshit happens and its someone other then mora yup, the moment she lied about hans getting fatally wounded to guilt more adlet gave it away, there is no valid reason for a real brave to do something like that if it's really mora, chamo is going to look very guillible Well, she's an (spoiled) kid still, so it won't weigh as heavy. |
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Sep 5, 2015 4:52 PM
#143
thebrentinator24 said: I honestly was not expecting Adlet's confession of love to Fremy. I understand all the hints were there with how much he protected and defended her throughout the series, but for him to straight up confess seemed like it almost came out of nowhere. I thought he was just being a good guy. I really liked how Adlet's words didn't change Fremy until the very end. It really shows how dedicated Fremy is in her belief to not trust anyone, even if their words are genuine, and her finally placing her trust in Adlet really showed how much impact his words had on her. I don't think it was his words, it was his actions that convinced her. He literally was willing to give his life in order to prove her innocence and protect her. It was only then that she couldn't take it anymore and finally admitted to herself that she believed him and had come to care for him. She was so scared to believe in someone, but his proof that she could trust him broke the ice around her heart. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:54 PM
#144
yawn i'm totally hate this kind of hero yussha who ever is fake i mean bunny girl kill them all and let's demon lord win this time. |
Sep 5, 2015 4:57 PM
#145
Adlet x Fremy was absolutely fantastic. She's so adorable and he's such a badass. Mora is REALLY starting to piss me off. At least Chamot has an excuse for being a stubborn brat: she's an actual brat. But damn, Adlet's getting all the awesome characters on his team: Hans is a total badass and a total bro. And Fremy is not only a badass, but she's a beauty. An exotic beauty. |
Sep 5, 2015 5:02 PM
#146
I just finished watching this episode and I want to share a theory that I've given some thought as events have unfolded since the seven Rokka's gathering. I'll warn any potential readers that this theory is going to be wild and founded from a very different bent than one might expect, that is, one based off of hard evidence provided by the show itself. Rather, this theory is one that I engage in because of my sensibilities as a graduate of English and creative writing. So in another sense, this theory is perhaps the way I would write the story, if I were up to do it. So please be warned and have fun as this was fun for me to develop. I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that Adlet is indeed the seventh, if only because, from a writer's standpoint, this outcome is the most interesting and perhaps the highest stakes route that the plot could turn. Adlet is such a divisive member of the Rokka's that, if he is the seventh, the emotional fallout would be an excellent generation of fresh conflict for a more interesting second season where they finally confront the ultimate villain. The only reason I make my argument from this perspective is because I see very little objective evidence revealed throughout the story itself. As a viewer I have no way to formulate my own conclusion as one might in a mystery novel. All we're given is, essentially, things Adlet has told us, and based off of good faith (good faith being an important thematic point for this anime) and his perceived uprightness as a character, we are inclined to believe him. However, because of this theme of belief, and the strange twist that this show has already taken from what I'm sure most of us expected, I can't shake the feeling that we, as viewers, are being deceived, not just by Adlet, but by the original writer in a tour de force of experimental creative writing competence. This show could have been very straightforward, Rage of Bahamut-esque high adventure plot as the initial summaries made it out to be, but either intentionally or not, this turned out to be far from the truth, and to be honest we got something more engaging and interesting. My point is that our expectations were confounded from early on, and so, if we read these decisions to overturn our expectations as part of a story telling strategy, we should watch out going forward and make an effort not to fall into the more cliched expectations we may have fallen into making as anime consumers. Underneath it all, I also feel as though the very mythology of this world may be skewed. If anything, this anime has accomplished the feat of keeping the readers on their toes. And so, because the show has encouraged me to be skeptical of the characters, I wonder if that mindset is appropriate for the underlying assumptions we have of the world itself and the mythos that Rokka's world operates on. After all, every piece of information we've received on the Rokka's mission and the "evil to the west" has been secondhand, besides the body marks each Rokka has received (of which might serve a completely different purpose yet to be revealed. ) Speaking of secondhand information, Adlet does indeed seem to be the strongest man in the world when it comes to having answers. Not one of the characters seems to know the first thing about anything. Rather, Adlet seems to understand this and may be playing on it. For example, his theory about there being two fakes is plausible, but he seemed to grab it out of thin air so that, one realizes, anything might be possible in this world (or it's poor writing, which, since it's more interesting, I am not going to assume). This convinces me of one thing only, and that is, if Adlet is not physically the strongest man in the world, to which he admits that he's just average, he just might be the smartest. The only peer he may have is in Hans, but Hans is a very specialized thinker, whereas Adlet's genius seems to touch on all aspects of life. As for his genius he seems to understand those that he's met quickly, as in break them down into their base components--namely their desires and perspectives, and "win" them as he's done with Hans, now Flamie, and formerly, Nashetanya. As a side note, I found his willingness to leave Nashetanya and pursue Flamie in the earlier part of the season to be odd since I found their companionship to be easy and comforting. But in hindsight, perhaps Adlet also found her too "easy" of a read and left for a more challenging, and perhaps a more worthwhile investment in Flamie as an ally. To return to my previous point on Adlet's genius, humoring the idea he may be the villain, he is also a genius actor. His game of wits with Hans just might extend one step further than what Hans thought possible, i.e. witnessing Adlet's true "dead man's face". Knowing Adlet's psychological adeptness, human understanding, and his being armed with the knowledge that Hans was an assassin, this may have been his true objective when gaining an ally in Hans, that is, faking a "dead man's face." And as a last point, I can't see anyone else being the fake. Maura, as demonstrated in this episode is a bit too blunt in her methods, almost overtly tyrannical in getting the others to take action. She's more of an upright dictator, stubborn but owning a sort of sixth sense in her un-substantiated judgment of Adlet as the seventh. In a sense, she is too fragile to be the seventh in that she is completely inflexible in personality. Then we are presented by Nashetanya this episode who reveals to us that she is just as fragile, but in the opposite way as Maura. She is too impressionable, too naive, and too shallow to really form and stand by her own belief. Just a word from Maura, whom she trusts, suddenly unconditionally for whatever reason, and she snaps. My first thought was what happened to her desire to believe in Adlet? She hadn't even gotten far in her own investigation against Hans and allowed herself to be used, in quite a cruel fashion, by Maura's false proclamation. Her character is certainly a disappointing one, but given the circumstances and her background, I suppose, in hindsight, this was unavoidable for her. In the end, neither is she a very real or even daunting seventh, just a fragile and weak little girl. This leaves Goldov who very well may be the seventh given that he was the first to cast stones, i.e. when he first rendezvous with Nashetanya and reveals Flamie to be the Brave killer. But he is a very very uninteresting seventh as he has almost no personality to speak of and serves as little more than an extension of Nashetanya. If he is the seventh nothing would be gained or lost. So, in the end, it is because of Adlet's genius that I both love him as a protagonist and perhaps most suspect him as the antagonist. Thanks for exploring this thought with me. If you have a response please let it be heard or Pm me as I would love to have this discussed and be more thorough. I love time stamps and close "readings" so if you're willing to argue this seriously, I will certainly meet you there. |
ArtificialxSkySep 5, 2015 7:24 PM
Sep 5, 2015 5:02 PM
#147
Can someone tell me what AOTS means? And awesome episode. Wasn't crazy about Nach's parts, but everything else was effing amazing. Love Fremy's turnaround on Adlet. |
Sep 5, 2015 5:03 PM
#148
NowOrNever88 said: Anime of the Season.Can someone tell me what AOTS means? And awesome episode. Wasn't crazy about Nach's parts, but everything else was effing amazing. Love Fremy's turnaround on Adlet. |
Sep 5, 2015 5:04 PM
#149
NowOrNever88 said: Can someone tell me what AOTS means? And awesome episode. Wasn't crazy about Nach's parts, but everything else was effing amazing. Love Fremy's turnaround on Adlet. AOTS-Anime of the Season. AOTY-Anime of the Year. It's been a while since my last English Class but I'm almost certain the grammatically correct way is AotS. |
Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
Sep 5, 2015 5:04 PM
#150
Really love this anime for its strong list of characters. Flamie was awesome in this episode again, Adlet was great again like usual and Nachetanya's breakdown was really cool, really like her as a character. Really just can't wait to see what happens at the end. |
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