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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- We all knew that the end was coming but I never expected it to be so soon! The "発進" in the end was cute. |
| We'll, I guess it had to end when (almost) all of the original characters died. Bokurano was always about the shock factor, originality, interesting dialogue, adolescence, human emotions, psychology, and philosophical and ethical questions. In that sense, this is a masterpiece. "I wonder, what existence designed this whole thing?" "There are many people who say there's a God somewhere up there, but God is nothing more than a formula. Just a part of some law of physics that we have yet to understand." Evolution prevails! :D |
SakujoJun 26, 2009 8:41 PM
| I don't want to believe this was the ending. |
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BadSeafood said: I don't want to believe this was the ending. Me neither. But I certainly liked it more than Narutaru's ending. I've been losing plenty of series lately, either due to their end or hiatus. :\ |
| I was kind of interested to see if Kitoh actually would ever do a real 'happy end.' Thankfully not, it wouldn't have been fitting, but the ambiguous and cute end is better than any of the stuff he bad-end'd. And so an awesome series has reached completion. On an unrelated note, Dung Beetle. One, his jacket was fugly, two, kind of lame that he was the only toy thing that didn't have hair styled onto his toy appearance just because he was a main character. |
| The hell? This is an ending.. ? What exactly ended? Maybe i'm missing something but i just don't like this.. I need conclusion Even the anime ended better than this, imo |
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| The best end for one of the best manga I've ever read. |
| depressing manga........ but dungbeetle said something interesting...... if he dies in his demonstration to the new group, will the old group get revived? "If the last pilot loses the demonstration battle on the next Earth, the contractees from that world will be revived and the world will not be destroyed. The last pilot's world will be destroyed instead. " he did said he would die - so does that mean all the kids are gonna get revived? |
| @Lhefriel_Medies: I think he meant the 'main world' to be the one our main characters are in, so you two are saying the same thing. And there are 15 pilots, not 10. |
senerikfred said: @Lhefriel_Medies: I think he meant the 'main world' to be the one our main characters are in, so you two are saying the same thing. And there are 15 pilots, not 10. so does that answer my question - do the children from the series get revived since dungbeetle is gonna die in his demonstration battle? |
| No. Their Earth will be destroyed, too. The group that gets revived is the last group, who would die when the cockpit gets crushed. |
| I really liked the way this ended. Unlike in the anime where it left Kana alive at the end, I found it much more satisfying that she cared enough to contract herself into being a pilot and really becoming a character that mattered rather than just that little girl who needed to be protected. And Dung Beetle. I'll miss him. Truly a work of art this series is. The perfect eye-opener. |
| Why pick a bunch of kids again? The dude made a point to Ushiro that when he becomes dung beetle he should pick people strong enough to handle the job, but he picks a bunch of kids? Also I'm a little confused, that dung beetle we saw in this chapter was Ushiro, right? |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Nope, not Ushiro. Machi died, so Ushiro was number 14(and thus is now dead, hence we saw him metaphorically following the other kids), and Dung Beetle himself became number 15. I always assumed the replacement Dung Beetle was that government guy who always looked really grim and talked about realistic consequences. That's just based on the hair, though. |
| The dung beetle in this chapter is Ushiro indeed. And he didn't pick a bunch of kids.They're actually adults, but in Kitoh's art, everyone looks a lot younger. |
| I didnt know people liked the ending. I mean the whole cycle is going to continue and going to keep contiuing and then the main earth would be involved again - theres just going to be endless deaths with out cause. I thought the story was great even though it was sad. I thought however that it seems realistic. they didnt spend too much time between the fights, because they wanted to show how quickly they would have to start fighting. I think it really shows that as the series goes on you get more used to the people dieing just as the children did. But i do wish they spent more time between fights. i cant say i hate the ending but it was too sad and realistic to really love like some people do. |
| Well, some people (like me) love the ending exactly because it was so sad and realistic. I mean, cmon, if the manga had a happy and optmistic ending, it wouldn't suit the series at all, and it would look terribly... artificial. |
| I'm still reading Bokurano, finished only half of it, it's kinda so depressing it made me sick at some point (not emotionally, but physically). But unfortunately I've already spoiled myself with the ending some time ago .__. What I just wanted to say is... don't know if the end's good or not yet, but if the "game" continues, then at some point there will be no one on earth left to protect, because new pilots will substitute the dead ones, and after some time (even if it's hundreds of years), there will be no one left to protect, so what's the point. |
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| so... i just finished reading the whole manga in 24 hours after i finished watching the anime. for once, im actually not sure which version i liked better, and thats quite peculiar. yoko's death really made me stand up out of my chair and yell at the screen: "REALLY!?!?" Jun was finally gonna get some, then some bitch has to shoot her in the goddamn face. what the fuck. xD ahhh im gonna miss this series D: |
Beatnik said: No, Dung Beetle was only telling Ushiro that when Yoko was still able to fight in the last battle. It's the person who goes on to fight the first battle in the new world who picks the new group of pilots, not the dung beetle. Ironically, in this case, the new world's dung beetle is now Ushiro and the pilot is Dung (main world's dung beetle) Beetle, so Dung Beetle (uppercase = main world's DB) is the one picking out the new pilots.Why pick a bunch of kids again? The dude made a point to Ushiro that when he becomes dung beetle he should pick people strong enough to handle the job, but he picks a bunch of kids? And you're also dead wrong about Dung Beetle telling Ushiro to pick only adults. He did say that he should pick people capable of winning and not to let his personal feelings get in the way of his choices. But that was because he was telling him to pick only children since he also told him that the younger the person was, the more powerful the robot was(since it feeds off of that person's life force). Dung Beetle specifically chose children so that the new world would have more chance of winning and the main world wouldn't have to play the game again until much later. Does anyone else hate Chizu's family? Or am I just nuts for thinking that they're complete monsters? |
| I immediately started reading the manga after finishing the anime, so I'm going to do a little comparison here and reflect on some of the characters. First off, I can definitely say the manga is much better. But that doesn't mean the anime is bad, or I hate it. I'm actually glad that I watched the anime first, so that I could enjoy it for what it was. If I had read the manga first, then seen the anime, I would have just been nitpicking at everything and wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. Also I think watching the anime first helped me to get to know the characters better, and their names. I would have been super confused and would have to keep looking at character lists in order to remember everyone if I had just read the manga. Also, I found the manga to be much more sad. It's rare for me to cry with manga, but I cried a lot during Bokurano. Now as for characters...First off is Daichi's story. I actually liked it better in the anime, since I felt they had a little more time to develop, so it was sadder in the end. But I was shocked and happy at the end of the manga, where they show that Daichi's father came back. Mako/Nakama - I was shocked with how much her story was rushed in the anime. In the anime, her and Maki were the only stories that I cried for. I cried even more with the manga. I think the whole thing with Mako finding the schoolgirl during the attack added a lot. When she found her and said "I'm going to hit you" and punched her in the face, it was glorious. "Next time, help with the cleaning". Those words were so powerful. The uniforms she made also looked much better in the manga. Right before the battle where she screamed at Kako "Do you think I want to die?!", it's one of the few moments where a character outright screams about the situation. But unlike Kako, she didn't let her emotions get the best of her and kept fighting. When Yoko and Ushio are going back to everyone's family, the part with Mako's mom also made me cry. How she regretted letting Mako slip away like that, but then started crying in the uniform, when she learned that they nicknamed her "Nakama". Since the whole reason she was at the summer camp was to make friends. Mako is definitely my favorite character. Kako/Chizuru - The anime and manga versions were really different, but I prefer the manga. I thought Chizuru's story comes across better. In the manga, Kako goes absolutely crazy and ends up being killed by Chizuru herself... And in Chizuru's story, the part where the teacher just left her there to get raped by those guys was painful. Even though I think it was wrong she trampled over the innocent people, I did support her in killing those people who raped her. If I was in her position, and I was going to die anyways, might as well go out, taking the people I despise with me. Maki - I just love her story to death. I cried while reading it. In the manga it's clearly shown that her and Komo were childhood friends. The fact that she never got to see her baby brother in her Earth is heartbreaking. And even more heartbreaking is learning that her parents were searching for her, not knowing the truth. The visit with her parents at the end though was good closure. Kirie - He is really developed in the manga, and his battle is also different. I loved the story with his cousin, and at the end where it shows she started eating again, another thing to make me cry. I loved how he tried to stab the teacher, although he didn't succeed. And him going out onto Zearth for the battle is risky but it really showed everyone that in the other cockpit are people just like them. Komo - I was so shocked at how different her manga and anime versions are. Her anime version is like 1 episode, but her manga version is so much more developed and better. It was interesting to learn that Maki is her only friend and that she drowned the world out with books. I cried when she is reflecting on the world right before her fight, and how it took her so long to notice how beautiful the simple things are. And during her piano recital, the way she died right in front of her father was another thing to make me cry. Really, really sad. She was another one of my favorites. Anko - Her manga version is also much better. I noticed that in the manga, she is more comical. But her story was simply amazing. She wanted to be an idol, and because of her message during the fight, she became the most famous girl in the world. She finally got what she wanted, but in a twisted way. Her fight was really interesting, and her legs got damaged :c. Another character that I cried for. Kanji - I'm glad the manga didn't have any of that stupid stuff like the anime, how his mom is a professor and stuff. His fight was great. Seki sacrificed himself, but it was awesome how he went out singing the theme song to the anime that made him join the military in the first place. You also get a better sense of friendship in the manga with Ushiro and Kanji. Cried for him too, he was my favorite male character. Kana - I never expected her to die in the manga. Only 10 years old... And the thing with Tanaka, where she pulls out the gun...I thought she was going to shoot the tentacles, but then I found out what she really was going to do. Big shock. Yoko - She's an awesome character, but her ending was so jipped. Right about to sleep with Ushio, and gets killed. I wanted to see her pilot Zearth. Ushiro - I really hated him at first, but by the end, I thought he was a really likable character. I thought he was going to survive till the end, but the author chose to take the route where everybody dies. Dung Beetle - I can't fucking believe it, the author actually turned him into a likable guy at the end. I thought I would never like that jerk. Good job, author. Anyways, as for the ending, I thought it was perfect. I didn't need to know WHY these battles where happening or anything like that, it's just the way the world works. I was expecting at least somebody to last until the end, but they all sacrificed themselves for the sake of their world. As for the other Dung Beetle at the end, I don't believe it was Ushio. I'm going to be rating this 10/10, one of my favorite manga series. Saddest one I've read too. I need to make room in my favorites list on MAL to add this in. |
| And such is the cruel fate of life. We can't do anything but face the challenges its lays before us to the very end. I'm glad Dung beetle became cool at the end, but damn I got really depressed with Yokos death. Finally was going to lose her virginity before death and bang, off goes her lights. Manga was so much better than anime 10/10 |
DarkjollyJan 3, 2013 9:04 PM
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| I think the ending was very fitting for the manga. This was truly a very depressing read, but a great manga that will give you a different perspective of your lives. I can already feel myself treasuring my life much more as our lives suddenly feel so fragile after reading this manga. Some of the character's stories were done so well that it made me feel really sad when it was their turn to go. I considered giving it a 10 but settled for a 9/10 because of a few plot twists that I didn't like, such as Machi getting killed by a random assassin - wtf was that? Some plot twists, I must admit were executed pretty damn well though, such as Jun not initially being in the contract and his sister forming the contract. |
DrHouse said: Does anyone else hate Chizu's family? Or am I just nuts for thinking that they're complete monsters? You're not alone. Chizu's family released the teacher even though they were aware of the wrongs he committed against numerous girls. And what could be more ironic than allowing his position in the ministry of education? Was that a joke? Because it sure seems like it was. He deserves at least ten years in jail for his crimes. What's even worse is that he genuinely believes he's done nothing wrong, which indicates that he's of an antisocial nature. He will continue to manipulate young girls for his own twisted enjoyment. I don't understand how Chizu's older sister could have let this scum go scot-free after she learned what he did do her little sister. Instead, she reprimanded Chizu's actions without an inkling to how broken her little sister had become due to the actions of the teacher. She failed to grasp the gravity of being manipulated, abandoned, gang-raped, and then blackmailed into silence. People like her act like saints, but they don't try to understand the perspective of victims. And why didn't the father persecute the teacher? He may have felt he was not in position to do so due to his daughter's wrongdoings, but doesn't he care at all that there will be more victims like his daughter with this man free? The reason his daughter contorted into a mass-murderer was because of the appalling things the teacher did to her. Isn't that even more of a reason to take him to court? Shouldn't he feel like it's his duty to prevent horrific outcomes like that from happening? It's so vexing. So many good-natured characters met with tragic endings, but this piece of scum teacher -- the only person I really wanted to see die in this series -- had a happy ending, and he has Chizu's shitty family to thank for that. |
MischievousGhostJan 20, 2018 7:34 PM
| Great manga! Loved the ending, it's really interesting - the whole goal of old dung beetle was to find out who was behind this, but he ended up with nothing, but a decision to sacrifice himself for the world, which his sister wanted to save. Also, since people keep wondering if it's Ushiro or Sasami being new 'Dung Beetle'- I will give a clear answer to that, it's Sasami. It's revealed if you read the manga from start to end in one go or have good memory: In the middle of last chapter - they discuss how they should call each other and decide on Kokopelli and Dung Beetle. Then new Dung Beetle makes remark: I'd prefer if you add 'sir' to that. This is related to how old Dung Beetle made Sasami call him sir, back when military first met Dung Beetle. A sort of nice reminisce. Sasami is the main government guy, who helped the pilots, but wasn't contracted, in case someone forgot. Also - reason the children are getting chosen over adults is because the younger the person - the more power the Mecha can get, at least it was mentioned in the manga and it's kind of logical.. It's a little weird how some fight may last for 30+ hours and some end in a few minutes with barely any action, but also almost an immediate death of pilot. The whole power balance/life claim theory was done with quite a few flaws. |
| I saw the anime a few years ago (still love that godly theme song "Uninstall") and gave the manga a try. Glad I did. The ending was exactly what I had wanted and every character along with their characterization was great. The storytelling also had good connection with each other and the pacing was nice too. Darkjolly said: And such is the cruel fate of life. We can't do anything but face the challenges its lays before us to the very end. This is exactly what I had thought as well. This show has a relation with fate and destiny especially from the very first chapter. It didn't seem like a coincidence that the kids got involved in this "game" or the events that took them to places they've never been before. It's like life itself is full of surprises and no one knows the uncertainty of the future. |
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| I can't really explain why, but this whole story seems kinda pointless to me, bland, empty.. |
| I was completely drawn into the world of this manga - especially because of realistic characters and their believeable psychology portraits. Even though they were only kids, they had distinguishable personalities and completely different outlooks on their life and situation. I feel like this could have a better closure though, something more meaningful than just simple 'and so battles continued endlessly'. After 11 volumes I got used to people dying (though still, that last massacre by Ushiro hit me hard, damn). Btw, I'm surprised that I actually liked Koemushi in this version, especially during the last two volumes. He cared for his sister a lot, and even decided to sacrifice himself at the end. Much better than his anime version, where he was even bigger asshole than Kako, ughh. Ana said: I am absolutely speechless at how retarded the Honda family is until the end. Just wow. Seriously. Agree, this one bothers me a lot... Seriously, this guy pretty much set up gangbang for his daughter, humiliated her, threatened her to the point she wanted to take her own life... No wonder she wanted to kill all those people, she was just desperate and emotionally unstable. AND 13 YEARS OLD! They are just horrible parents, one of the worst I came across - same thing with sister. Because of this and few other problems I have with this manga, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. Still, it's really refreshing, made me ponder on my life a bit, think what I would do in these kids' positions, how would I behave knowing I have only short period of time to live... 9/10 |
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| the fuck? that was the ending? seriously? The anime was way better 6/10 |
CnonOct 2, 2015 3:43 PM
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| To be honest I like anime more, but manga was also good |
| That was so awesome this needs a faithful anime adaptation so bad, would be one of the best animes ever. |
| I'm having trouble getting this ending.What exactly happened? Edit : Alright. I grab now. |
OduduwaJan 22, 2017 1:48 PM
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| I felt that this manga was like reading a one shot for each "main" character, it got repetitive pretty fast i just finished this manga and i already don't remember each characters "story' cause i simply diden't care that much anymore since you knew they were going to die. Overall this was not a bad read but it felt too "empty" for me. 6/10 |
| This was really deep. This is one of manga that makes you question a lot of things after reading it. It made me question the value of human life. The author did a damn good job! |
| I can see what people mean now about the anime going off the rails, I definitely prefer how the manga ended it. Much better without garbage like Ushiro's Mary Sue father and 10 minutes of the prime minister sitting up and down. Very memorable series but I don't think I'll ever read this again. Too painful... |
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