What's up, I just wanted you to know that I finally finished Heaven's Feel and loved it. Now, I'm going to tackle Tsukihime from the beginning. In other words, I'm going to go: Arcueid, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, and finally Kohaku.
Hopefully, I'll enjoy it more the second time through like I did Fate.
Yeah, I didn't get that phone call scene at all. That's the day where Shirou searches Issei for the command spell and on that day I believe I went to find Sakura, which started a scene with Rin outside her house. Or maybe I'm wrong about the day, but I definitely didn't get that scene this time, though it is familiar. I think I got it the first time I read the VN.
Anyway, about Kara no Kyoukai. By Fujinon you mean the character Fujino? Yeah, thought she was a very interesting character. It was a movie that had some very interesting topics, though what got the movie a 9 is that final scene at the end between Shiki and Mikiya. Also, the reason why movie 3 has the highest rating is because I haven't re-watched 5, yet. The first time that was the film that gave me the best impression.
Like you said, I still need to finish the KnK series. And, I've got to see this Tsukihime anime at some point. I think the Fate/stay anime are bad, so this should be interesting. Also, I just watched the UBW movie and I wasn't impressed by any means.
Alright then, I'll avoid the Tsukihime manga for now. It's amusing how you didn't even comment on the anime, though.
Now that I think about it, it does make sense that Archer knows an older Rin. I have no idea why I never thought of that.
I suppose you are right about Saber not receiving much of a power up, especially since she had to give so much mana to Shirou, as you said.
And, no, I did not notice that Rin mistook Shirou for Archer on the phone. I guess you mean that morning she calls him when he is dealing with the Rebound from summoning Kanshou and Banshou?
Oh hell, I forgot to reply to your other two spoiler comments:
Yeah, I sort of thought in retrospect that Rin was suspicious in the Fate route as well that Shirou is Archer. I'm glad I apparently wasn't just imagining things after all. But, yeah, the Swords are a very clear indicator. Archer using the same words to cast his magic, "Trace on", pretty much sealed the deal I'd think.
About the UBW ending:
Yeah, the Rin and Archer dynamic added a lot to Fate/stay. Obviously, I took a huge liking to these two characters as they are my profile pic and Rin is in my favorites.
The real climax of UBW is really the Shirou vs. Archer battle, though. I think that goes without saying, though seeing Shirou summon UBW WAS definitely one of the coolest scenes so far. I'd imagine Archer himself have defeated Gilgamesh pretty easily, considering how much trouble Shirou gave him.
I agree that Saber deserved a better final battle. I feel as though her "upgrade" by forming the contract with Rin wasn't fully utilized. That was probably my single biggest problem with the route. I REALLY wanted to see uber Saber face an opponent worthy of her...namely Gilgamesh. Though, I guess Nasu didn't want the final battle to be repetitive.
To be honest, it's a toss up between Heaven's Feel or the rest of Tsukihime. Part of me wonders If I'd be better served to re-read all of Tsukihime like I have done with Fate/stay so far, which has boosted my appreciation for the series a great deal. I'm starting to lean more towards HF because of that.
That said, I'm probably going to finish the rest of the anime and check out the UBW movie before reading Heaven's Feel. Speaking of which, I wasn't a fan of the anime by any stretch of the imagination before reading the VN, but I REALLY dislike it now. Wow, they butchered these characters. It's strange, though, in many cases the dialogue is the same but the spirit just isn't the same..probably because the character motivations aren't as detailed as they are in the VN. Plus, the music is a step down.
Btw, maybe I should read the Tsukihime manga instead of re-reading the VN? I'm assuming it doesn't spoil anything for the Hisui and Kohaku routes? If not, it could kill two birds with one stone and I'd also like to check out that non-existent Tsukihime anime to see if it's as bad as I hear.
Anyway, on to UBW
So, you are saying that you think that the Archer in each route is like a different version of him? That's actually what my friend Okaishi thinks. But, I'm not convinced. Then again, I suspect i misunderstood your comment.
As for why Archer hesitates when first meeting Saber, I'm sure it's because he remembers her..which is what Rin surmises herself much later on after his death in the Fate route. As for why he tried to eliminate her along with Berserker in the graveyard in UBW, I'd say he got over his hesitation and thought killing her would give him a better chance to kill Shirou or he just wanted Rin to win that badly. This is supported by his statement that he was planning on "giving" Saber to Rin after killing Kuzuki.
Oh, and the statement about easing Saber's regrets is from UBW. It made me think that maybe Archer knows of some sort of alternate timeline? Also, what about Archer's memory loss, I wonder if he was just lying from the beginning about it or did he really just not remember? If so, when did he realize I wonder?
It's interesting, that you said that Archer's backstory is pretty much the same as Saber's in many ways as I thought the exact same thing while reading UBW. As for UBW shirou possibly being Archer, one guy in the VNDB forums pointed out that the gears in Archer's Reality Marble is from the Clocktower that Shirou eventually goes to with Rin. I hope not, though, as that adds a very depressing spin on the ending. Though, it's compelling.
In any event this sure is a fun series to discuss.
Yeah, UBW was great. Like Fate I certainly enjoyed it much, much more the second time through. Archer turned out to be one hell of an interesting character and the route in turn added quite a bit of depth to Shirou and Rin as well.
I've heard that Archer is from the Ilya route that never made it into the VN. Do you know if that's true or not? Or is just a rumor? I'm curious as to how exactly Archer came to be. I mean, I know it came about as a result of people taking advantage of Shirou's willingness to help and, apparently in fear of that Selflessness, he was killed by those same people. But..I can't help but wonder how that came to be.
Of course, the True end suggests that Rin is going to attempt to stop Shirou from his "fall" and, I don't know if I'm right or not, but it seemed to me for the majority of UBW that Rin suspected that Shirou and Archer are the same person? Particularly around the time she saw Archers dreams? Anyway, I'd like to think that Rin "teaches" Shirou how to act for himself a bit more and have "fun" though, given this is typemoon, I'm kind of doubtful as to whether she succeeds or not.
The final scene revisiting the Shirou vs. Archer fight from Archer's pov further makes me wonder if he still ended up becoming Archer.
Oh, and the fight between Shirou and Gilgamesh was sweet..particularly Shirou's dialogue when he summoned UBW. Was pretty bad ass. I thought it was kind of weak Saber fought Assassin as her final opponent though. Nothing against the guy...but I don't know if he's final enemy type stuff you know?
Anyway, that's about all I could think of. Call me crazy, but I think I preferred Fate just a bit more, particularly because I thought the final battle in that route was incredibly awesome. Though certain scenes like the backstory on Ilya and Berserker, those two battles I mentioned, Tohsaka Rin herself (god she's awesome), Archer's "farewell", and the final few scenes were great.
Both Fate and UBW are 9's in my book. Which means I've rated both higher in the second read-through. Excellent stuff.
I remember what you are talking about but I had no idea about the rape thing. Not all that surprising, though, as I seem to remember there being a bad ending in Arcueid's route where Shiki rapes her.
Thanks for the other info.
Oh and about UBW, haven't finished it but:
I remember liking the True end more the first time through as well. Overly happy endings just don't fit Typemoon, imo.
I can't remember much more than that, though. I'll comment more after finishing it. It's been great so far. Though I can't say that I prefer it or Fate over the other, I thought both were excellent in their own ways.
Kohaku getting raped in Ciel's route, in fact I don't remember her playing much of a role in that route.Unless that is one of those fever dreams that Arcueid gives him?
Oh, and I'm nearly done with UBW and, yes, I liked Fate a great deal but this route is on a whole other level.
The Shirou vs. Archer fight was really well done, though more for the emotional effect than the actual battle.
I'm halfway through day 15 now.
I think I am going to go with Tsukihime after UBW, I kind of got in the mood for it while looking for OST's for my blog. Btw, you said I should at least get a summary for the Ciel and Akiha routes..does that mean they have relevance to the Hisui/Kohaku routes?
And, as much as you seem to like Kohaku I was surprised that you said Hisui's route is equal.
Lol, 2020. Sad but probably true. Voice acting and especially the Sacchin route would be worth it though. One of my favorite parts of Tsukihime was when she chased Shiki throughout the city, that whole sequence caught me by surprise. I'm sure Mahoyo will translated eventually, at least.
Incidentally, what are your favorite routes of Tsukihime and Fate/stay? Aside, from Kohaku and Heaven's Feel respectively, I mean.
And, yes, I do plan on watching Carnival Phantasm after finishing those two.
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Hopefully, I'll enjoy it more the second time through like I did Fate.
Anyway, about Kara no Kyoukai. By Fujinon you mean the character Fujino? Yeah, thought she was a very interesting character. It was a movie that had some very interesting topics, though what got the movie a 9 is that final scene at the end between Shiki and Mikiya. Also, the reason why movie 3 has the highest rating is because I haven't re-watched 5, yet. The first time that was the film that gave me the best impression.
Like you said, I still need to finish the KnK series. And, I've got to see this Tsukihime anime at some point. I think the Fate/stay anime are bad, so this should be interesting. Also, I just watched the UBW movie and I wasn't impressed by any means.
About the UBW ending:
That said, I'm probably going to finish the rest of the anime and check out the UBW movie before reading Heaven's Feel. Speaking of which, I wasn't a fan of the anime by any stretch of the imagination before reading the VN, but I REALLY dislike it now. Wow, they butchered these characters. It's strange, though, in many cases the dialogue is the same but the spirit just isn't the same..probably because the character motivations aren't as detailed as they are in the VN. Plus, the music is a step down.
Btw, maybe I should read the Tsukihime manga instead of re-reading the VN? I'm assuming it doesn't spoil anything for the Hisui and Kohaku routes? If not, it could kill two birds with one stone and I'd also like to check out that non-existent Tsukihime anime to see if it's as bad as I hear.
Anyway, on to UBW
Anyway, that's about all I could think of. Call me crazy, but I think I preferred Fate just a bit more, particularly because I thought the final battle in that route was incredibly awesome. Though certain scenes like the backstory on Ilya and Berserker, those two battles I mentioned, Tohsaka Rin herself (god she's awesome), Archer's "farewell", and the final few scenes were great.
Both Fate and UBW are 9's in my book. Which means I've rated both higher in the second read-through. Excellent stuff.
Thanks for the other info.
Oh and about UBW, haven't finished it but:
I can't remember much more than that, though. I'll comment more after finishing it. It's been great so far. Though I can't say that I prefer it or Fate over the other, I thought both were excellent in their own ways.
Oh, and I'm nearly done with UBW and, yes, I liked Fate a great deal but this route is on a whole other level.
I think I am going to go with Tsukihime after UBW, I kind of got in the mood for it while looking for OST's for my blog. Btw, you said I should at least get a summary for the Ciel and Akiha routes..does that mean they have relevance to the Hisui/Kohaku routes?
And, as much as you seem to like Kohaku I was surprised that you said Hisui's route is equal.
Incidentally, what are your favorite routes of Tsukihime and Fate/stay? Aside, from Kohaku and Heaven's Feel respectively, I mean.
And, yes, I do plan on watching Carnival Phantasm after finishing those two.