DO NOT discuss the source material beyond this episode. If you want to discuss future events or theories, please use separate threads.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
DO NOT ask where to watch/download this episode or give links to copyrighted, non-fair use material.
DO NOT troll/bait/harass/abuse other users for liking or disliking the series/characters.
DO read the Anime Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines.
| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I think this episode was much more calmer after all the drama. Sohei also reflects a bit of his experience of everything happened at this point. I actually find that somewhat thrilling as well. Overall, a nice show imo. It's very talky but thrilling with the buildup despite my initial problem with some pacing issues. The bits of Makata Shiki also traces back to her original introduction for the series. A neat way to conclude the show. |
 |
| AOTS for me (with Owarimonogatari). There is no other competition for these shows imo. Animation and art was maybe average, but story was just great. I really like mystery Anime with continued story. Unfortunately most of series of this genre are usually episodic, and I don't like episodic story. Btw, probably the first show ever (counting with non anime production) where they talked about IT stuff without bullshit. I really liked it. 9/10 |
rsc-plDec 17, 2015 11:32 AM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| So all this time, the flirty girl was Saikawa's little sister lol, I did not expect that at all xD I really loved the scene with Saikawa and Dr. Magata at the library and I liked the scenes between he and Moe as well (I was hoping that he would have missed her but oh well =P) but that final scene with Dr. Magata and her daughter was just beautiful and is my favorite part of the episode Pretty funny how she got away yet again too lol....Overall that ending was very chill and it was a nice wrap up to the series in general imo 8-9/10 for me, can't really decide on which score as of yet but this is definitely top 5 of the season for me (Excluding sequels and summer leftovers) |
TokoyaDec 17, 2015 11:32 AM
| Probably best mystery anime of 2015 |
  |
Aww |
 |
| Amazing. Great writing, art, animation, soundtrack, everything. I couldn't tell if the last scenes with Dr. Magata and her daughter were real. They were powerful, and really sad for some reason, nonetheless. This was one of the top 5 anime of the year for me. |
| I suppose this was always the natural path for the series to conclude on after dealing with the rest of the mystery last week. Saying that, I'm glad it did things like this with Saikawa and Moe; even though not much especially happened in this episode, their scenes together still worked extremely well and really shows just how well their relationship has developed until now. The scene at the very end with Magata and her daughter was also pretty cool, though I'm not quite sure I understood it all, especially the bit just before the credits. What exactly was that all about? Also, maybe I'm just being a bit dumb but didn't this episode pretty much show that Miki does exist, given that "Magata" was captured outside Saikawa's lab but was then pursued in Tokyo by the police after using a computer? Either way, this is a strong contender for AOTS for me. Whether it attains that or not entirely depends on how the final episode of Owarimonogatari goes. 9/10 |
| My thoughts about this anime overall. Man, this show throws a lot of information I can't comprehend sometimes. Well I guess this kind of anime was too complicated for me. So I'll try to avoid it next time. Anyway this is a good show. So I'll rate this a 7 (or 8?) score overall. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
| This was a nice and peaceful wrap up after all the crazy shit that happened throughout the course of this anime. The story and the mystery managed to stay interesting for a majority of the time, and while there were some dull moments, it was still a solid show overall. 6.5/10 |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
| I didn't get the last scene, but overall, the anime was okay. Some scenes were really good, but overall it lacked something. 6-7/10 |
 |
| Last few episodes were quite enjoyable, got rather bored about midway through but an decent anime overall. The last few scenes kinda confused me but was interesting to see Magata's relationship with her daughter. 8/10 |
 |
| I'm really lost here. Why did the police let her go? And was the last scene with her daughter in the simulation machine? |
| I really don't understand the logic of Magata-sensei. I just think she's crazy. What did she want to be free from? I can understand why she killed her parents but I don't understand why her uncle/lover and she herself had to be killed... I don't understand anything. Also does Saikawa-sensei want to be like her or does he not? I mostly relate to Nishinosono because come on, nothing makes sense. Magata-sensei doesn't make sense she just seems evil she is not pure at all... I don't know maybe they mean freedom from any rules? like "you mustn't kill" free from love free from hate... but was she really like that? I don't know I don't understand it, can someone explain please? Overall kind of disappointed by these series to be honest. I expected more. |
| Moe was not moe enough 6.4/10 Raz1515 said: The detectives that caught her were fakeI'm really lost here. Why did the police let her go? And was the last scene with her daughter in the simulation machine? I don't know |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I loved it. 9/10 |
 |
Faylicia said: I really don't understand the logic of Magata-sensei. I just think she's crazy. What did she want to be free from? I can understand why she killed her parents but I don't understand why her uncle/lover and she herself had to be killed... I don't understand anything. Also does Saikawa-sensei want to be like her or does he not? I mostly relate to Nishinosono because come on, nothing makes sense. Magata-sensei doesn't make sense she just seems evil she is not pure at all... I don't know maybe they mean freedom from any rules? like "you mustn't kill" free from love free from hate... but was she really like that? I don't know I don't understand it, can someone explain please? Overall kind of disappointed by these series to be honest. I expected more. 2deep4us |
Faylicia said: I really don't understand the logic of Magata-sensei. I just think she's crazy. What did she want to be free from? I can understand why she killed her parents but I don't understand why her uncle/lover and she herself had to be killed... Perhaps Magata saw death (or non-existence) as freedom from the "unnaturalness" of existence in the material world, and murder was her way of freeing those she loved. Her logic might be antinatalist. |
| Lol i thought that at the end the video stoped xD Well, that was a really strange way to end the series, most of the moments on the episode were filler-like, loved that conversation between magata and his child at the end though. The series was overall good, though i found some dialogues extremely pretentious and the pace was too slow. The visuals were amazing, a really fair adaptation. 7/10 |
error5000Dec 17, 2015 2:06 PM
| Mediocre but not bad. I had high expectations after the first two episodes but it didnt really deliver. Havent seen a satisfying mystery anime in a long time. Moe was annoying too |
 |
| Good opening + good ending + good art + good story (but some episodes were quite confusing/annoying) = Good anime = 7 |
| As entertaining as watching paint dry. The ED is just pure perfection though. |
 |
| It was slow for too long and then once it finally got going it just wasn't entertaining enough. The characters weren't all that interesting and that's what this whole show was about. Boring characters with slow pacing and a meh plot gets you a pretty boring show. At least the OP and ED were good. 5/10 |
 |
| Great wrap up episode, liked the OST. The biggest strength of the show was the atmosphere and direction. While I felt like there wasn't a lot happening for the first 5 or so episodes, the pay off at episode 10 was ultimately worth it. It really gave me a strong sensation of fear and just generally being creep-ed out, with the revelation of Magata's daughter. I just did not see that coming, although I thought maybe her sister was Magat herself since that's not an unusal plot twist in stories like this. The main problem the show had was Moe's character. She is so out of place, and very annoying. I don't feel like she added a lot to the show. And while I understand her clingy and needy attitude to Saikawa, it was still annoying. She could have been presented a lot better. I just couldn't care or be emotional invested with her backstory, found it quite dull. I found some topics and themes interesting, while some I didn't particularly care. I was very engaged when Saikawa was talking about people being contradiction, because I always thought the same, and it's the first time I've seen it being mentioned in a show. So I appreciated that. I don't think it's necessary to make sense of Magata actions, they are meant to be logical by normal standards but more about philosophy and an abnormal environment that shaped her way of thinking. Pacing could have been better but again the slow burn to episode 10 and 11, makes it all worth it imo. 8/10 |
tsudecimoDec 17, 2015 2:01 PM
 |
| Welp. I really liked Moe and her interactions with Souhei. Now if only the solution to the mystery wasn't this incomepetent and dumb... This year of Noitamina sure was quite bad Not one presentable show in their line up.  sigh |
 |
nihikun said: Existentialism (and nihilism) at its finest. Magata was probably a bit schizo since she was talking to dead people. She was able to predict their exact answers (imo) though due to her high intelligence. She killed her parents in order to grant freedom to her uncle which he refused. Until, 15 years later, he accepted Shiki's version of freedom, similar thing with her daughter. In her mind even the fact that you must be alive compromises your freedom, which in an extreme way of thinking is right. It pleases me to see that the series left people both satisfied and unsatisfied. It wasn't just a mystery anime, it had A LOT food for thought and in a sence you are free to decide if it was right or wrong, proving to everyone that right and wrong are abstract concepts determined only by each individual. I salute to your awesome insight. |
 |
| The OST, the animation and the story were amazing. I've really enjoyed the anime. And really loved the last episode too, damn Magata was soooo crazy. 9/10 |
| Dull as hell |
 |
| I'm kinda underwhelmed in the ending but nice episode overall. I really liked the dialogue between Shiki and her daughter and Sohei and Moe. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Well it was interesting but maybe (just maybe) it could be a little better with more episodes. I give it a 6.5/10 |
 |
| So she took-in even her uncle to her multiple personalities in the end, what a interesting end. I enjoyed the clever art and camera direction of this series and its mood grew on me literally since the first episode. Also, nothing was pushed directly into your face which is also something I liked. Although this time the last scene (and the scene where Magata vanished) felt a little abrupt - what was the purpose of those two image freezes? Dunno. Anyway, I really liked this conversation-driven and thoughtprovoking drama. Bit philosophical too. And characters, their interactions - mainly Saikawa, Moe and Magata's were so well-written. They felt very real to me, that's something not many anime can do. There were many interesting questions dealing with shades of grey in this series and I really liked its thematic uncorrectness. One has to try to view the life through Magata's eyes to fully understand how she saw the world. Moral ambiguity of our actions and nihilism as main themes of this anime were very interesting topics. 7-8/10 Good mystery anime but even better criticism of our subconscious dependence on our modern society that governs what we think as good or wrong since our very birth. |
TheNaturalPerm said: Welp. I really liked Moe and her interactions with Souhei. Now if only the solution to the mystery wasn't this incomepetent and dumb... This year of Noitamina sure was quite bad Not one presentable show in their line up. sigh ? Saekano is very good |
| Signature removed. Please follow the signature rules, as defined in the Site & Forum Guidelines. |
| Overall decent ending to a good series. At times it did feel like this anime when barely anywhere, but in the end it was satisfying enough. It would have been better if this was a 2-hour movie rather than a 1-cour anime series. 3/5 for this episode. 7/10 for this series. |
 |
HaXXspetten said: Probably best mystery anime of 2015 |
| Everyone in this thread is so triggered by a good show. |
| So it seems that at the end her daughter and her uncle became new personalities of hers, correct? since they also died. |
| Overall just another predictable closed-box mystery anime that tried to be more than what it was. 8/10 for visuals and likable characters mostly. |
 |
| Excellent story! ^.^ |
| Maloween 2017 Main Candies   |
| Magata disappeared in the end? 0____0 |
| They can say Magata's a genius whose intelligence is on a higher plane all they want, I still think she was just schizophrenic. She keeps taking on the persona of people that die around her. Even her uncle at the very end. Also, was is specified if she did indeed kill her daughter? And was she really apprehended and killed or did she get away? All in all, throughout the opposing exchanges and convoluted, almost nonsensical ideologies, I thoroughly enjoyed this anime. The characters were likable, the themes were intriguing, the music was great, the character designs were unique and the atmosphere was duly fitting. 8/10 for me and one of the better anime of this season. Not that there's much competition tbh. |
 |
More topics from this board
» How was the aunt unaware about Miki?--l-- - Dec 23, 2015 |
5 |
by Sisyphus_the_max
»»
Sep 16, 2:34 PM |
|
» Just dreamt about the character design 🤔nakitama21 - Jul 29 |
0 |
by nakitama21
»»
Jul 29, 9:51 PM |
|
Poll: » Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider Episode 10 Discussion ( 1 2 3 4 )Stark700 - Dec 10, 2015 |
176 |
by Archean-Return
»»
Jun 18, 10:34 AM |
|
Poll: » Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider Episode 8 Discussion ( 1 2 )Stark700 - Nov 26, 2015 |
81 |
by Archean-Return
»»
Jun 18, 9:38 AM |
|
Poll: » Subete ga F ni Naru: The Perfect Insider Episode 7 Discussion ( 1 2 3 )Stark700 - Nov 19, 2015 |
141 |
by Archean-Return
»»
Jun 18, 9:13 AM |