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Sep 11, 2009 1:09 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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That was a bitter sweet ending, because it may be the last of the excellent Banner of the Stars series. Lafiel and Jinto were much closer than the first three seasons, after the events of the previous series. It was kind of sad when Jinto met Till and was told he'd never be able to return to Martine after signing the contract. But, I would probably of made the same choice he did.
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Feb 6, 2010 8:18 PM
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I agree. I liked the ending.
Feb 22, 2010 4:05 PM
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insan3soldiern said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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That was a bitter sweet ending, because it may be the last of the excellent Banner of the Stars series. Lafiel and Jinto were much closer than the first three seasons, after the events of the previous series. It was kind of sad when Jinto met Till and was told he'd never be able to return to Martine after signing the contract. But, I would probably of made the same choice he did.


i just loved the loong and deep translation of the promise Lafiel made... if i remmeber correctly...

"i will become his world and he will become mine"

she was just saying that dont worry i will be his home from now on so he will be happy.

i hoped they showed more love/romantic scenes as its 100% sure they both love each other and they are old enuf to express their feelings. I am sure they will or already are lovers :-P
Mar 4, 2010 4:23 PM
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Very good series, I want more. ;_;
Apr 7, 2010 7:26 PM
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we need the fourth novel animated.... seriously....

And all the Seikai no Dansho ones too....
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Aug 15, 2010 12:47 AM
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just finished the entire show in a marathon, great show. And I agree with the above we need the rest animated.

I want to see more about Jinto and Lafiel and especially their children :3
Oct 10, 2010 1:28 PM
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I almost cried...


"i will become his world and he will become mine"

she was just saying that dont worry i will be his home from now on so he will be happy.


Good interpretation.
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May 2, 2011 1:14 PM
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Since it seems that this will be the last Banner of the Stars they'll make, I have to say that it makes for a very pleasing conclusion to a great anime. Jinto and Lafiel are closer than ever and Jinto finally puts some closure to his status. He will remain an Abh noble and follow Lafiel. And in the process he saves his homeland from certain destruction were they to insist on independence.

Had Banner come out years earlier, it would have been huge. Sadly there's almost no market for this kinda of series anymore.
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Jun 24, 2011 8:08 AM
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Great episode and a nice conclusion to the trilogy. I was sad when Jinto mentioned he'll have Abh children in the future meaning He and Lafiel will be parents.

I would have never though that Ekuryua is reckless in piloting making the passengers felt sick. She's quite jealous of Lafiel over him and she wants to spend the time alone with Jinto and lay to her seat as if asking to "do" her. Well it was obvious that she has a liking towards him since the first season of banner of the stars.

If Jinto will make a harem she should be first to be added.

Kinda sad how he can never go back to him Homeland and spend time with Lafiel. It was a nce space opera anime. The opening always reminds me of Star Trek series. One of the best sci-fi anime I've enjoyed. I'll never forgot this anime. I love the intense space battles and watching over the edge of my seat. How I wish I could've seen them in more space battles.
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Jul 28, 2012 12:59 PM

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I weirdly didn't feel any romance closure. Hmm, and I may be the only one.
Oh well, the show was good, but could've been better. I really liked the 'before the stereotypes' feel, not mentioning Ayako, who did a great job as a cynic tsundere.
Jul 30, 2012 8:17 PM

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I just finished it (watched all seasons in 2 days) and I liked it.
If anything I would have liked them to at least kiss once.
Sep 17, 2012 5:03 PM

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I just finished it (watched all seasons in 2 days) and I liked it.
If anything I would have liked them to at least kiss once.


Yea same would have loved to see that.

Great ending to the series would have liked another season or so though.
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Dec 7, 2012 3:39 AM

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Great ending to the series. Again very underrated.
May 3, 2013 1:18 AM

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Kind of a sad end to the show, Till and the rest of his homeland acted like idiots. If they decided to fight they would get annihilated just like the first time. Jinto was commendable for finding a peaceful solution, but the price he paid was ridiculous.

I want more of this show.
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This anime was really a gem and something I very much enjoyed watching.

Back onto the topic of that quote... "I will become his world and he will become mine."

For me, this wrapped up the anime quite nicely. It shows a bit of perspective on why the kin of the stars do not care much for worlds and planets. Because ultimately, once you a part of the vastness of space and the universe, it really matters not where you are or where you are from. What really matters is whom you are with.

As long as Jinto is with Lafiel, he is at home.
Aug 5, 2013 11:37 AM
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This anime is about Jint trying to find his home, where he belonged, and he did... He found love and a family. He couldn't defect or accept any Abh misconceptions as they were, although his friends and family, not his home.

I wish the current crop of anime had great space operas like this. The industry knows we need more of it.

I just have a question. How old is Jint now? XD
Oct 6, 2013 2:26 AM

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guys, get ready for a season IV! the novel's back after a NINE-year hiatus...so we'll be expecting good news!
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guys, get ready for a season IV! the novel's back after a NINE-year hiatus...so we'll be expecting good news!


I think you're being too optimistic. First, the ending is very fitting and doesn't really need a sequel. It's pretty clear they'll be together, and their relationship developed a whole lot so far. Second, it's not that popular, probably not nearly enough. It's been 8 years since the last adaptation, and that went quite unnoticed as well.
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I actually would say that the ending was fine however it could easily have sequels (or prequels for that matter) due to the format of the series . . . With just one mission each season, and seemingly jumping around, it lacks the fluidity that would make a sequel crummy. Though too be honest that was probably my biggest complaint, was that the plot was too choppy over the seasons, it felt more like . . . Well, it actually reminded me a lot of the two Gaiden series following Legend of the Galactic Heroes, where you know there is a main story going on (in this case Abh v. human war), and see some battles as well as their "ascent" but it avoids the main story. It just has the atmosphere of missing a central plot I guess.

Anyways, I did enjoy the series, 7/10
Feb 17, 2014 8:51 PM

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Maybe I just missed it but, I don't understand why Jinto can't go back to his planet anymore. Sure it's part of the agreement but, why was that included in the terms in the first place? Was that done out of spite?

That epilogue slides actually almost made me tear up. I know Jinto and Lafiel will be together but I want to see more T__T And I'll actually miss the rest of the crew...*sniff*

And that ending song...so fitting.
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Mar 22, 2014 1:11 AM

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ahhh that was a good run :(
The animation might be dated but the characters were great. Jinto and Lafiel definitely gave me the Spice and Wolf esque connection.

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Maybe I just missed it but, I don't understand why Jinto can't go back to his planet anymore. Sure it's part of the agreement but, why was that included in the terms in the first place? Was that done out of spite?

That epilogue slides actually almost made me tear up. I know Jinto and Lafiel will be together but I want to see more T__T And I'll actually miss the rest of the crew...*sniff*

And that ending song...so fitting.


I think it's because the Hayd family name is hated in Martine. Wasn't the father considered a puppet of the Empire, which led to his execution? Since they are surrendering to Empire once more, I think Til's government gained some legitimacy by deciding to exile Jinto. If they didn't include that in the surrender clause, they would see Til as a puppet of the Hayd family (Jinto) / the empire. It was probably a compromise between Til and the people who want to seek independence.

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Maybe I just missed it but, I don't understand why Jinto can't go back to his planet anymore. Sure it's part of the agreement but, why was that included in the terms in the first place? Was that done out of spite?


I presumed it was to maintain a level of autonomy.
Nov 1, 2014 2:40 PM

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I prefer Banner of the Stars II as an ending, but this OVA wraps up the individual characters pretty well, including some left behind in the first season. Amazing series overall. It spawned some of my favorite characters in anime, and the enjoyable banter is only rivaled by few other shows I've seen.
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I thought it was a perfect epilogue. Although I would welcome more content via the novels should they ever be completed (and, hopefully, translated), I feel that I can be completely satisfied with this. We got further confirmation of the nature of Jinto and Lafiel's relationship going forward, and the big loose string that is Jinto's homeworld got taken care of.

It's ironic in a way. When faced with choosing between their people and an individual, the Abh as a culture would always choose their people. However, when Jinto was faced with choosing between his people and an individual, he chose the individual. That's not to say he wasn't helping his people, because he definitely was, but to have these two cultures joined through somewhat contradictory perspectives was an "elegant" final touch, in my opinion.

Of course, the final touch for Jinto himself is deciding who he is and where he belongs. After questioning it for so long, and hesitantly dreaming of one day walking on the soil of his world again, he decides against it and has Lafiel herself deliver the essence of their relationship, and with it give closure to the (anime) series as a whole:

"I will become his world, and he will become mine."

Absolutely beautiful!
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just finished the entire show in a marathon, great show. And I agree with the above we need the rest animated.

I want to see more about Jinto and Lafiel and especially their children :3


is that from the book?

I really enjoyed this series. I hope they would continue this in terms of their relationship for more closure.

@TripleSRank, that's very good points you pointed out.
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So basically they shot out the ground guns and the planet surrendered. Lackluster end to a lackluster series.

S1: 5/10
S2: 4/10
S3: 2/10 dropped
S4: 4/10 (this one, below average)

The series failed pretty hard in the politics and war categories... not good because that is exactly where it should have focused. Jinto x Lafiel was never going to go anywhere anyways, so the nothing that happened there was fine.
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A great conclusion to a wasted classic. Going to make a rambling post to all instances of the anime instead of just this finale OVA.

This series has a lot of potentials to become something complete and more vivid. The main issue I'd had with it during the marathon was the inconsistent pacing as they tend to focus on minor characters to such a ridiculous extent. It's not like I despise the idea of diversifying the cast, but seriously, there were like a bunch of 5m cut of random talk from the admirals LMAO, that's just horrendous and excruciating to get through, I wouldn't mind some joke poking there and there once a while but fuck this shit is just absurd, I had to try my best to refrain myself from pressing the skip button, glad I survived that somehow. There were only exceptions like Spoor and my nigga Dusanyou that managed to entertain me a bit, especially Spoor with her teasing nature and superb commanding skill.

That said, the time spent on world-building and main characters focus were outstanding, I enjoyed almost every bit of it. Though this has been pointed out, while I would love to see a more definitive portrayal of the United Mankind side, their lack of screentime wasn't a major concern to me anyhow, because the story's focus has never been solely about the conflict between the Ahb and UM, but instead, the growth of Lafiel and Jinto, which has been handled really well in many aspects, especially inner thought and facial expression. Moreover, Uniter Mankind seems like just how our current society works, so no point repeating something that is basically common knowledge, while the Ahb, on the other hand, is a fictional faction, hence they must be treated with more care to help us get a better view of their social structure, culture and the likes. I've seen people argued that author just wanted to make sympathize with the Ahb by giving them more portrayal but frankly I think they just missed the mark, because there's the MCs just happen to be on Ahb and there's none on United Mankind, and the latter serves as more like a generic plot device anyway, so welp.

One of the most intriguing act to me is Lobnas II. How it started off as a generic internal conflict to evolve into a clash of ideals within a small society and all the mess that spawned as a result of that, everything was written really well from how I see it. Each major player in that act had their own reason for committing their act, flawed or not, it all seemed honest and more importantly no generic and thus ended up much better than I originally expected. If anything though, Jinto's being a wimp did annoy me a lot, expected him to get over all this shit quick but compared to Lafiel I'd have to lash it out that he's a disgrace to man as a whole (to quote Arnold Schwarzenegger: "Stop being such a pusseh"). That said, Lafiel's performance managed to put me back on the train, like, I never thought her character's growth would be this sublime. Looking back to the little miss "I wanna go YOLO" version of her in the first instance of the anime, shit, she sure had come a really long way.

On a different note, the war portrayal was okayish I guess, they did show the full map on various battle scales though I literally had no idea wut da fuq was going on like 70% of the time but they did try to explain it so no complaint here. The animation sequence during those moments is definitely a highlight to me, despite the dated animation, Sunrise managed to handle them well to illustrate the epicness and horror of the conflict. The music used was neat I guess, I didn't actually enjoy the original version of the Opening but the piano one during emotional scene just could not fit the atmosphere more. The EDs are mostly mixed bags but I guess they go along with the theme of the series well.

Lastly, the biggest letdown of the series, of course, not really about how the adaptation concluded but how the source material had to constantly go on hiatus with no clear future. Like, Sunrise did a fine job to draw the anime to a conclusion, but there're still lots of lingering build-ups, like that one time when the Ahb Prime Minister was seemingly plotting something with the Hania Ambassador, or wut the fuq happened to the other admirals after Operation Hunter, what's the deal with "Ahb's Hell" that got hyped up so much during the negotiation, etc. Fuck when I go lookup for the source material it simply was a big slap in the face, I don't even know if the author can keep up with the rest but maybe one day I'll get to see the "True Ending" to this epic saga. For now, Imma just console myself that Lafiel is leading a happy life with Jinto as her slave companion, maybe...
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Not the most satisfactory ending BUT what a ride this has been. I never would have expected this to become one of my favorite anime series I have watched. The chemistry between Lafiel and Linto has been fantastic to see develop to the current point.

Thanks for a joyous ride!


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It's overall very worth it.
Lafiel was the one that got me into the series since she looks a lot like KOS-MOS from Xenosaga.
The whole series is a 7.5/10 average and SnS II is the best season imo.
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While the story does continue in the novels, this was a decent enough place to stop for the anime. The main problem the OVA series had is that there was just too much content to cover in two episodes. I wish the rest of the novels get adapted into an anime, but I know that's extremely unlikely to ever happen.

The greatest strength of Banner of the Stars is that it is a legitimate Science Fiction story. The author created an interesting genetically altered race of people, a cool language for them, and a fascinating means traveling the galaxy to tie it all together. This is ambitious in a way that isn't seen anymore nor that appreciated. It was also fortunate the novels came out when Science Fiction anime was a big deal so we got three seasons of it adapted with an OVA finisher.

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absolute masterpiece, perfect ending for the show
He can't return to Martine but his home was wherever Lafiel was
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The last quote was perfect for describing Jinto and Lafiel's experience across the series. He technically lost his homeworld here, or the chance to live there again, but he gained a home with Lafiel and the Abh ever since he left Martine. It may not have taken the form of a literal planet he built a house on, but he has somewhere he truly belongs nonetheless.

I wonder what Atosurya named her sandbag. Klowal, maybe?

Hope this story gets another anime adaptation in the future. Such an ambitious and heartful experience shouldn't be relegated to obscurity.


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The last quote was perfect for describing Jinto and Lafiel's experience across the series. He technically lost his homeworld here, or the chance to live there again, but he gained a home with Lafiel and the Abh ever since he left Martine. It may not have taken the form of a literal planet he built a house on, but he has somewhere he truly belongs nonetheless.

I wonder what Atosurya named her sandbag. Klowal, maybe?

Hope this story gets another anime adaptation in the future. Such an ambitious and heartful experience shouldn't be relegated to obscurity.
Yes, I came here just to say this. I liked Jinto's journey. He started completely lost about his place in the world: not truly belonging to the Abh Empire, but also an outcast in his homeland (even though he was meant to rule it). He didn't belong anywhere.

I found this ending satisfactory because it closed this storyline, as he was capable of choosing between both of them: to seek asylum in his homeworld, leaving the Abh behind; or to stay with the Abh, abdicating from ever returning to his homeland. He chose the former, but used his authority to draw up a very good deal for his people. Jinto matured enough to move on.

He has many flaws, but I enjoyed experience this universe through his eyes. This is such an underrated anime.

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