| I can see some of your points to be valid. I just think that no Show, out there, tries as hard as this one to replicate the Bebop Style and vibe. Turns out trying to replicate a legendary Anime from the past only makes it painfully obvious that it's just not that Legend... It feels like a mere copy, with newer and "hip" popcultural references like "The Avengers" Im disappointed aswell. |
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RomanRonin said: Going into this show, I was actually pretty excited. It's an interesting premise in an otherwise pretty slow season produced by a high-end studio. The first episode even had some promise, with the choreography being great and the set-up being interesting. However, by Episode 3, it's becoming obvious how undeveloped and half-baked this show actually is. There's so many plot holes and plot contrivances that it's ridiculous. Putting aside the massive plot holes around Haupna as a miracle drug, let's just look at the undeveloped setting. This futuristic Earth is effectively facing an unavoidable apocalypse within the next month, yet NO ONE CARES! Like, there's no anarchy, no disorder, nothing! Even the authorities, from what we can see, don't seem to care, as Lazarus is the only group that's mentioned to be researching this, and even they're being caught up with stupid red herrings. And no, this lack of urgency isn't just a matter of "just because we can't see it doesn't mean they're not trying" or any other excuse like that. The show literally makes a point of it with Grandma Skinner, who comments that no one bothered to even speak with her about her genocidal grandson until Lazarus showed up! The writing just constantly feels hamfisted and two-dimensional, like they're just speeding along the straightaway and hoping you don't so much as glance out the windows. I really wish someone would take this concept and redo it with a lot more passion, because Lazarus as a concept is incredibly interesting! It gave me Pluto vibes at first, with the element of urgent detective mystery combined with action. Had they gone that route, I think we could've had an actually groundbreaking show, but instead this show's gonna be dropped by many, and forgotten by next season. Forgive my rant, but it actually irritates me when a show is handled like this. What are your thoughts? Does anyone feel the same way? I think the lack of urgency among the populus is the point, it's a climate change analogy. |
| Yeah, lack of urgency and even the feeling that nobody cares takes me out of the immersion. It's my main gripe and problem, but it turns out to be one of the most important for the premise and world-building. |
| Like someone said above, it seems to be a cliamte change analogy, but I don't think it works very well, because if you tell people they only get 30 days to live they would go crazy doing whatever they want. I remember years ago, a friend of mine from Chile told me that whenever a big Earthquake happens that the entire electricty grid stops working, they had to stand guard in his neighborhood because people would take advantage of the no electricty problem to go rob houses and business. Go back to like 5 years ago to the riots in the US that destroyed several small and big business for way fucking less than "in 30 days we all of us will die". The point is, that its a show that tries to ground itself in reality even doing social comentary but it only does its homework on the stuff that doesn't matter to the bigger plot of the show, the main plot point being "we all are going to die in 30 days", where are the violent riots destroying Skinner's house and in front of congress? the looting and everything that would happen in a situation like this?. I was cautious and not very optimistic about this show becuase of the Director, and to be fair i've only seen 2 other shows from him, first was Cowboy Bebop, a great "woke" (i don't like using that word becuase it lost all its meaning in the last 2 years, thanks steam woke games list) episodic show with kinda meaninful plots in each ep and a decent background plot that ends with a tragedy, then the other one was Carole & Tuesday that has a great first half and a second half that is so incredibly hamfisted with current day politics and so badly explored (unlike Bebop that implements it well) that it makes the final act of the show don't feel really deserved at all. So far Lazarus feels more on the side of Bebop than Carole & Tuesday, but the main point of the plot doesn't feel as well explored as I would have liked |
| I agree that the writing comes across as a a very shallow treatment of the subject matter at the core of the premise. The impression I got from it, honestly before even starting it but confirmed upon watching, was that it probably was and would continue to be more of an action-adventure spectacle a la a Hollywood summer blockbuster type of show, going for a more breezy and casual vibe and casual audience. I don't think that's necessarily the worst thing in the world, since not every series can be the next mindbending revolutionary art piece. I didn't watch this expecting the next Lain, Ghost in the Shell, or even Cowboy Bebop. It's more popcorn filler and when all is said and done will probably go onto the mountain pile of around 6/10-tier series I started and watched because they had an intriguing enough premise but one or more lacking areas and subpar execution. Shallow writing is a frequent and recurring culprit. It is what it is. I would tell others to perhaps watch this if you just want some light fare of an easy action show, and if you want to see some Sci-Fi concepts done better by the end or explored more thoroughly even within the same current season we're in, then just watch Kowloon Generic Romance and Apocalypse Hotel. One point I would address as I differ on slightly though is this: RomanRonin said: This futuristic Earth is effectively facing an unavoidable apocalypse within the next month, yet NO ONE CARES! Like, there's no anarchy, no disorder, nothing! Even the authorities, from what we can see, don't seem to care, as Lazarus is the only group that's mentioned to be researching this We did see scenes of upset and irate medical patients who had been prescribed and obviously taken Hapna swarming a hospital floor and a bunch of associated commotion. We also don't know what is going on behind the scenes regarding the intelligence agencies and other governmental departments and branches because the story is laser-focused on the main character group and the rest seems to be used as window dressing. But in the previous episode to the one which last came out, episode two, wasn't it the FBI or some branch of U.S. national law and security agencies which swooped in on the Arizona-based compound looking for Skinner at the same time Axel and the lady did? Also, there should probably be more mass panic evident on the streets, but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief that until people actually start dying and en masse, something established as still further down the timeline, that cognitive dissonance could set in and it could be dismissed as a hoax among large numbers of people. Until it becomes impossible to ignore by mass deaths disrupting daily life and modern conveniences, it's fairly realistic many would prefer to just go about their day as a coping mechanism and hoping it would eventually be solved by someone else who actually may have the power to do so. Regular civilians can panic or ignore it for the time being, go about their day to day, try to keep sane, and pray. |
WatchTillTandavaApr 21, 3:40 PM
| Bro it's three episodes calm your ass down. This website is fill to the brim with impatience crybabies. |
| I haven't updated in years but now I have changed that. I'll be free soon. |
| Yes, it's wasted potential and it won't get better because the basics are hopeless xD |
| I agree, the show feels very uninspired and soulless, and nothing they've done so far has given me any reason to care about the plot or any of the characters. This whole show just feels like adult swim commissioned Shinichiro Watanabe to make Cowboy Bebop again and he's just phoning it in. The main character in particular just feels like "We have Spike Siegel at home" and none of the other characters have any any kind of development whatsoever to make me interested or invested in them or whatever happens to them. I understand the argument of waiting to allow them to become more developed, but they haven't done the bare minimum of making me interested in learning more about them in the first place, so I'm not going to bother sticking around for their backstories or characterization if they even get any. They all feel like cardboard cutouts. For a premise as promising as this, it's astounding that they weren't able to pull me in with the first episode, much less after three. |
| Lemme get this straight- you are actually asking for a remake of something that is on its. THIRD. EPISODE. |
Reply to Kumoiro_Shizuki
@Carpal_Tunnel69 What do you mean by “woke”, in reference to Cowboy Bebop? It's been a while since I saw it, but as I recall, there was nothing woke about it.
| @Kumoiro_Shizuki by modern standards of the word "woke" I mean it features stuffs like, gay couples, diverse racial cast for both the episodic plots and the main cast of characters, stuff like the planet with no woman having drag queens fill in the brothels stuff, Glen isn't trans but he is something that really happens irl, that some people who have been in the military fall back into drugs and lose their way tho in this case it was forced upon him by betrayal thanks to Vicious lying about him, he is also very gay. But the real more broad "woke" part of bebop is the social commentary it does. From social injustices to critiques to the gouvernment corruption or just the economic system all together. I can think of stuff like Jet being fucked by internalized corruption in the police force if i remember well. The whole hyperspace gates, when they where opened for the first time it caused a great cathastrophy that almost killed everyone on earth, and the people who did that basically got away with it like they would had if it happened irl ngl, because it always does. Maybe you wouldn't consider the second part strictly "woke" by the modern "steam woke games list" standard, but complaining about systematic injustices or even making episodes to critic that stuff is strictly woke by the og definition. |
Maybe it will get better? Give it the 13 episode rule.  |
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