| Hey manga readers I wanna know why but please dont spoil the story. I saw at the tag that this is a Seinen. I looked at the synopsis and It seems to me it can be fine for shounen? How is this Seinen and what should I expect to make it geared towards a more mature demographics? |
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SenshadouOtaku said: The FIRST episode just dropped. Can’t we give it some time before we ask stupid questions? How is this a stupid question? some people are actively asking question and discern if they have to waste their time before watching Some Seinen themes I actively avoid... and dont wanna waste my time. Feels like your head is buried in the sand. |
AesethyrJan 7, 6:41 PM
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| Teach me how to figure out demographics from a synopsis lmao. |
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| Oh just wait until it bombards you with technical stuff about reciting and speech techniques. |
| Truth is absolute but human perception of truth is always relative. |
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Oh just wait until it bombards you with technical stuff about reciting and speech techniques.
| @kyou_on I'm pretty sure this was published as a seinen mainly because it's a much more serious manga about club activities and female friendship than you'd expect to see in the original Jump. JJK is much more complex and confusing, although not intentionally so, but it is published as shonen without question. |
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RobertBobert said: @kyou_on I'm pretty sure this was published as a seinen mainly because it's a much more serious manga about club activities and female friendship than you'd expect to see in the original Jump. JJK is much more complex and confusing, although not intentionally so, but it is published as shonen without question. Simple, demographics have nothing to do with the actual story, when we consider where it's published. Some anime clearly have nothing to do with their demographic, because it doesn't matter in this case. |
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| Basically characters don't behave childishly enough to be shounen is probably the reason. |
| Seinen is the right demographic for the same reason every CGDCT is seinen. This isn't a CGDCT but the logic is the same: no romance + no comedy + all girls cast = seinen. If there were a male self-insert as the MC, with Hana being his love interest, that could have worked in a shounen magazine. If you add a pretty boy as Hana's love interest or genderswap every character, it could have worked in a shoujo or josei magazine. |
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SenshadouOtaku said:
The FIRST episode just dropped. Can’t we give it some time before we ask stupid questions?
The FIRST episode just dropped. Can’t we give it some time before we ask stupid questions?
How is this a stupid question? some people are actively asking question and discern if they have to waste their time before watching
Some Seinen themes I actively avoid... and dont wanna waste my time.
Feels like your head is buried in the sand.
| @Aesethyr Looking at your profile, it seems like you enjoy My Dress-Up Darling and Kaguya-sama. Fun fact: both are technically seinen since they run in seinen magazines. That’s also true for Non Non Biyori and Asobi Asobase. Shonen manga tends to go all out in the early chapters to hook younger boys, but this often comes at the expense of long-term story quality, especially for adult readers. Seinen stories, on the other hand, are aimed at a more mature audience, so authors can afford to go with a slower pace, gradually making the story more and more compelling as it progresses. Some light novel adaptations also feel very seinen, but MAL doesn’t classify them that way since light novels lack dedicated shonen or seinen magazines |
WoodmannJan 8, 6:15 AM
| MAL rebranded entire anime page system to add Demographic as an option and people still do not get what it means |
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Seinen is the right demographic for the same reason every CGDCT is seinen. This isn't a CGDCT but the logic is the same: no romance + no comedy + all girls cast = seinen.
If there were a male self-insert as the MC, with Hana being his love interest, that could have worked in a shounen magazine. If you add a pretty boy as Hana's love interest or genderswap every character, it could have worked in a shoujo or josei magazine.
If there were a male self-insert as the MC, with Hana being his love interest, that could have worked in a shounen magazine. If you add a pretty boy as Hana's love interest or genderswap every character, it could have worked in a shoujo or josei magazine.
| @Nirinbo This is not an all-female show, the cast is about a third male. @LoneWizzy Most people are well aware that this is demographics. The problem is that they overgeneralize this demographic, losing insight every time things are not as strict and stereotypical as they think. @MKIkawa Not really. Each demographic has certain hooks that anime will be more likely to have to appeal to its target audience. Like the power of friendship in shonen, sentimental romance in shoujo, large doses of otaku moe in seinen or the problems of adult women in josei. Which is quite expected, since different ages and genders are not just nice words, right? |
RobertBobertJan 8, 9:42 AM
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RobertBobert said: @Nirinbo This is not an all-female show, the cast is about a third male. @LoneWizzy Most people are well aware that this is demographics. The problem is that they overgeneralize this demographic, losing insight every time things are not as strict and stereotypical as they think. @MKIkawa Not really. Each demographic has certain hooks that anime will be more likely to have to appeal to its target audience. Like the power of friendship in shonen, sentimental romance in shoujo, large doses of otaku moe in seinen or the problems of adult women in josei. Which is quite expected, since different ages and genders are not just nice words, right? In theory it would be like that, but what really matters when deciding the demogralhic of the anime is considering the demographic of where the original material was published |
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RobertBobert said:
@Nirinbo This is not an all-female show, the cast is about a third male.
@LoneWizzy Most people are well aware that this is demographics. The problem is that they overgeneralize this demographic, losing insight every time things are not as strict and stereotypical as they think.
@MKIkawa Not really. Each demographic has certain hooks that anime will be more likely to have to appeal to its target audience. Like the power of friendship in shonen, sentimental romance in shoujo, large doses of otaku moe in seinen or the problems of adult women in josei. Which is quite expected, since different ages and genders are not just nice words, right?
@Nirinbo This is not an all-female show, the cast is about a third male.
@LoneWizzy Most people are well aware that this is demographics. The problem is that they overgeneralize this demographic, losing insight every time things are not as strict and stereotypical as they think.
@MKIkawa Not really. Each demographic has certain hooks that anime will be more likely to have to appeal to its target audience. Like the power of friendship in shonen, sentimental romance in shoujo, large doses of otaku moe in seinen or the problems of adult women in josei. Which is quite expected, since different ages and genders are not just nice words, right?
In theory it would be like that, but what really matters when deciding the demogralhic of the anime is considering the demographic of where the original material was published
| @MKIkawa You are confusing cause with effect. As if to say that pizza is an Italian dish not because Italians invented it, but because it is prepared in an Italian restaurant. Most published seinen manga is published in seinen magazines because they target the seinen demographic and follow the category's established genres, themes, and tropes. This is why we have the phenomenon of "fake shonen", where explicit shoujo is published in shonen magazines in hopes of attracting both the shonen demographic and the shoujo demographic that reads these magazines a lot for the cute boys. |
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| Its a Seinen because the manga runs in a Seinen magazine. Thats it. |
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I haven't read the source material, I just noticed that the characters listed as main on MAL are two girls. No males at all among the main characters is common in seinen but almost impossible in shounen unless they're ecchi. |
| CGDCT is definitively Seinen. Iyashikei is definitively seinen. Lighthearted Slice-of-Life with cute girl casts is the most prevalent thing in the Seinen demographic. This is as Seinen as it gets. |
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I haven't read the source material, I just noticed that the characters listed as main on MAL are two girls. No males at all among the main characters is common in seinen but almost impossible in shounen unless they're ecchi.
| @Nirinbo There are plenty of shonen CGDCT. They're just either not that moe-focused and wholesome, or they're essentially high school shonen with female characters. For example, Gabriel DropOut was quite classic shonen Cute Girld Doing Cute Things until the author ran out of ideas and switched to typical seinen yuri bait and ecchi fanservice. As for this manga, it is a typical "female author writes about female characters for a male audience." |
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@Nirinbo There are plenty of shonen CGDCT. They're just either not that moe-focused and wholesome, or they're essentially high school shonen with female characters. For example, Gabriel DropOut was quite classic shonen Cute Girld Doing Cute Things until the author ran out of ideas and switched to typical seinen yuri bait and ecchi fanservice. As for this manga, it is a typical "female author writes about female characters for a male audience."
| @RobertBobert Gabriel Dropout is definitely shonen since it runs in a shonen magazine. Just because it later has Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice doesn’t make it seinen, it is still in a shonen magazine. In fact, Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice are not exclusive traits of seinen manga at all. To Love Ru, Ayakashi Triangle, and Yuragi-sou themselves are published in shonen magazines, not seinen. |
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@RobertBobert Gabriel Dropout is definitely shonen since it runs in a shonen magazine. Just because it later has Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice doesn’t make it seinen, it is still in a shonen magazine. In fact, Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice are not exclusive traits of seinen manga at all. To Love Ru, Ayakashi Triangle, and Yuragi-sou themselves are published in shonen magazines, not seinen.
| @Woodmann Please read my comment again. The point was that shonen CGDCT quite exist and that before the latest changes GD was quite like that. Not to mention that yuri bait and ecchi are different. Yabuki has become a man of legend, not least because you're unlikely to see the same level of ecchi in shonen manga outside of his titles. And also, please stop using "it's published in a shonen magazine, therefore it's shonen" as a catch-all argument. I have already explained above why this is broken logic that confuses cause with effect. |
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@Woodmann Please read my comment again. The point was that shonen CGDCT quite exist and that before the latest changes GD was quite like that. Not to mention that yuri bait and ecchi are different. Yabuki has become a man of legend, not least because you're unlikely to see the same level of ecchi in shonen manga outside of his titles. And also, please stop using "it's published in a shonen magazine, therefore it's shonen" as a catch-all argument. I have already explained above why this is broken logic that confuses cause with effect.
| @RobertBobert And who came up with that? The manga industry? The authors? MAL? Or is it just something you made up? |
| Looks like it got seinen just by being in a seinen magazine. The creator does appear to be a woman, and it is a drama so it might be more so a shoujo tbh. |
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Looks like it got seinen just by being in a seinen magazine. The creator does appear to be a woman, and it is a drama so it might be more so a shoujo tbh.
| @rohan121 The author of Bocchi the Rock is also a woman, but it is published in a seinen magazine. In fact, the categorization of seinen, shoujo, and shounen isn’t determined by the audience but by the manga authors themselves, who decide which magazine—seinen, shoujo, or shounen—is their primary target demographic. |
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@RobertBobert And who came up with that? The manga industry? The authors? MAL? Or is it just something you made up?
| @Woodmann You don't have to make things so personal and heated just because someone questioned your opinion. I'm just saying. Especially when you yourself admit that the choice of demographics is primarily the author’s choice of the target audience and only then the magazine itself. @rohan121 With that logic, Fullmetal Alchemist could be called a shoujo as well. Because the author is female and the plot has heavy doses of drama lmao. |
RobertBobertJan 8, 5:54 PM
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@Woodmann You don't have to make things so personal and heated just because someone questioned your opinion. I'm just saying. Especially when you yourself admit that the choice of demographics is primarily the author’s choice of the target audience and only then the magazine itself.
@rohan121 With that logic, Fullmetal Alchemist could be called a shoujo as well. Because the author is female and the plot has heavy doses of drama lmao.
@rohan121 With that logic, Fullmetal Alchemist could be called a shoujo as well. Because the author is female and the plot has heavy doses of drama lmao.
| @RobertBobert so it is just something you made up. |
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@RobertBobert so it is just something you made up.
| @Woodmann just touch the grass please. |
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@RobertBobert Gabriel Dropout is definitely shonen since it runs in a shonen magazine. Just because it later has Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice doesn’t make it seinen, it is still in a shonen magazine. In fact, Yuri bait and ecchi fanservice are not exclusive traits of seinen manga at all. To Love Ru, Ayakashi Triangle, and Yuragi-sou themselves are published in shonen magazines, not seinen.
| @Woodmann All those listed above are by male mangakas. But yeah ecchi can be seinen/shounen. CGDCT can be shounen/seinen/shoujo depending on who wrote it. |
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@rohan121 The author of Bocchi the Rock is also a woman, but it is published in a seinen magazine. In fact, the categorization of seinen, shoujo, and shounen isn’t determined by the audience but by the manga authors themselves, who decide which magazine—seinen, shoujo, or shounen—is their primary target demographic.
| @Woodmann Bocchi is written by a women, but the manga is not tagged seinen on mal. Bocchi hit well with women which explains the high mal score. |
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@Woodmann
Bocchi is written by a women, but the manga is not tagged seinen on mal. Bocchi hit well with women which explains the high mal score.
Bocchi is written by a women, but the manga is not tagged seinen on mal. Bocchi hit well with women which explains the high mal score.
| @rohan121 Not being tagged as seinen on MAL doesn’t mean it’s not seinen. MAL descriptions aren’t official or fixed—they can be changed by fans. On the other hand, magazine categories like seinen, shoujo, josei, and shounen are definitive. If a manga is published in a seinen magazine, the author clearly intended it for a seinen audience. |
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@rohan121 Could you name at least a couple of CGDCTs for the shoujo audience?
| @RobertBobert Yuru Yuri Precure Non non biyori K-On |
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| @rohan121 PreCure was never CGDCT, it's a typical shoujo about the power of friendship and magical girls. Everything else is classic all-female moe seinen. |
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@rohan121 PreCure was never CGDCT, it's a typical shoujo about the power of friendship and magical girls. Everything else is classic all-female moe seinen.
| @RobertBobert Male demographic cgdct is like In the heart of kunoichi tsubaki. Azumanga Daioh Both by men |
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@RobertBobert
Male demographic cgdct is like
In the heart of kunoichi tsubaki.
Azumanga Daioh
Both by men
Male demographic cgdct is like
In the heart of kunoichi tsubaki.
Azumanga Daioh
Both by men
| @rohan121 I don't quite understand what you want to say. CGDCT is generally an exclusive genre for male audiences. |
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| k-on is seinen btw now you know demographics like shonen and seinen are not genres |
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@Nirinbo There are plenty of shonen CGDCT. They're just either not that moe-focused and wholesome, or they're essentially high school shonen with female characters. For example, Gabriel DropOut was quite classic shonen Cute Girld Doing Cute Things until the author ran out of ideas and switched to typical seinen yuri bait and ecchi fanservice. As for this manga, it is a typical "female author writes about female characters for a male audience."
| @RobertBobert uhm yeah, I forgot about them. What I said in my very first comment in this thread was right though, no comedy/romance/ecchi + main characters are all girls = seinen, with very rare exceptions (MAL lists only four CGDCT shounen anime/manga that aren't comedies). |
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@RobertBobert uhm yeah, I forgot about them. What I said in my very first comment in this thread was right though, no comedy/romance/ecchi + main characters are all girls = seinen, with very rare exceptions (MAL lists only four CGDCT shounen anime/manga that aren't comedies).
| @Nirinbo Not every all-female is a CGDCT, although the opposite is true in most cases. But in this case then we really need to talk about what we mean by comedy. Just a comedy element or a separate genre? It's not a comedy, but there's definitely humor in there. |
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| Pretty sure everyone has answered already but Seinen/Shounen is simply the type of comic where a series is published. Dark Shounen and lighthearted Seinen can exist, it is not a black and white situation. Basically just depends on what type of magazine is more interested in publishing the series. |
| For the umpteenth time, demographics only mean which kind of magazine it was published in. |
| Seinen is basically everything that's aimed at young-adult audience and not specifically shonen (more "battle"-oriented) or shojo (more girly/romance-oriented) |
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