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Apr 10, 2021 3:50 PM

#101

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Thai777 said:

I'm not sure I understand your problem here.

I explained.

Thai777 said:
You want her to be a fully fleshed characters from the first episode?

Nope, I am expecting her to be a believable character...even by the extremely low standards of mecha she fails.

Thai777 said:
She is exacty what was said

If she really cared for the 86's she wasn't supposed to act like she did.

Thai777 said:
how can you even think she is nonsensical?

I find not only her nonsensical in this show...

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Apr 10, 2021 3:56 PM

#102

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Good premiere, already has me interested enough with the action and animation, even the CGI is pretty damn good. Leave it to A1 pictures to deliver on this part.

Lena looks cute and seems like a caring young lady. I love me some of that silver haired beauties and she's no exception. She seems to hold a lot of care for the 86 unit, even though they are unmanned drones.

Fuckin’ Glory to the Spearhead Squadron! Not sure why, but I loved seeing that.

So much for "unmanned" units huh... It was pretty obvious this was the case, but I wonder if Lena actually knows this. Shinei is already an interesting character, not just is the leader of the Spearhead Squadron, but that task he had to do, to put his squadron companion out of his misery, that's tough.

One of the best premieres this season so far.

Apr 10, 2021 4:01 PM

#103

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GoldenDevilGamer said:
She didn't try to get them killed in battle.

If you think I said that...there is no point of discussing to you...

So just for the record: no she didn't killed them on purpose...but a person who has problems with people dying under her command shouldn't have anything to do with the military.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
The reason why she's a handler is because

1. Come on, don't spoil the story for anime only watchers.
2. Yep, this is ridiculous.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
but in the end, we're not supposed to be sympathizing with Lena at all.

Maybe in the LN but here they are force feeding her to us.

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Apr 10, 2021 4:06 PM

#104

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Seems interesting and looks good so far! Feels like reading the light novels would really help fill in the details with this one?

And, Mimimi's (Tomozaki) voice actress is voicing Lena! Off to an early lead for best girl.

Apr 10, 2021 4:12 PM

#105

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alshu said:

dz_1998 said:

As someone that has already read the light novel, all I can say is that all of your complaints about this 20 minute episode will be addressed in later episodes

Oh, a retcon to make this chick way more believable for a person coming from a privileged class...sounds even sloppier.
As RayReynolds mentioned - her being an arrogant and misguided odjou-sama in the beginning would be more fun.

I wouldn't call it a retcon. It's the character development she gets throughout the series. Yes, she's being very hypocritical and her "false saint" behavior is pretty insulting towards the 86. But the 86 feel the same way that you felt while watching this episode, so don't worry, this matter will be addressed in the next episodes, and I personally think that it is addressed pretty well. But that's just my opinion, we will have to wait to see if you will agree with me in this matter or not.

In relation to the other topic, If Lena was more agressive towards the 86 the story would be a lot more cliché. There are several movies, anime and games that had similar stories or character arcs (character is racist toward some group, character is then forced to interact with someone from this group, character stops being racist because this person that he was forced to interact is kinda cool). Such as In The heat of the night, Cross Ange, American History X, Detroit become Human, NieR Automata, Senjou no Valkyrie etc. Lena is not a savior and not a saint, and yet she naively acts like one. This will blow up in her face. It's a different approach and I really like it.

Apr 10, 2021 4:13 PM

#106

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I was sceptical about A1 picking this up but they did a fine job adapting this so far. Nothing extraordinary, but it's also not the SAO kind of soulless just go through the motions anime adaptation.

Apr 10, 2021 4:19 PM

#107

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'Hey, bro, how do I hammer the point to the audience that this is a dystopia?'
'Show humans that look exactly the same in the dystopic society and make the subhumans as distinct from each other as possible.'
'Hm, will that be enough? What else can I do?'
'Did the news lady make blatant propaganda blatant?'
'Yeah...'
'I don't know, bro. Make them eat artificial food and get excited about real food.'
'Bro...'
'Bro?'
'You're a genius.'

Jokes aside, I enjoyed this first episode, the premise sounds interesting and the art is pretty. I don't have much to say besides that, I'll be keeping up with it to see how it develops.

Apr 10, 2021 4:20 PM

#108

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So glad to see the narration gone from the story. So annoying when the writer just decides to tell everything to you instead of showing it.

Apr 10, 2021 4:21 PM

#109

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Kosmonaut said:
'Hey, bro, how do I hammer the point to the audience that this is a dystopia?'
'Show humans that look exactly the same in the dystopic society and make the subhumans as distinct from each other as possible.'
'Hm, will that be enough? What else can I do?'
'Did the news lady make blatant propaganda blatant?'
'Yeah...'
'I don't know, bro. Make them eat artificial food and get excited about real food.'
'Bro...'
'Bro?'
'You're a genius.'

Jokes aside, I enjoyed this first episode, the premise sounds interesting and the art is pretty. I don't have much to say besides that, I'll be keeping up with it to see how it develops.

Better than what the light novel did, which is just straight up tell you how dystopian the society was

Apr 10, 2021 4:23 PM

#110

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I am about to start vol. 4 of the LN, but I enjoyed this episode from start to finish. It's exactly how I thought it would turn out. Also, FUCK SAN MAGNOLIA.

Apr 10, 2021 4:25 PM

#111

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alshu said:
If you think I said that...there is no point of discussing to you...

But you did though

alshu said:
...which also contradicts with her killing a lot of those guys in her missions.

Maybe you meant to word it differently, like "her getting people killed under her command. The way you worded it kinda made it sound intentional, lol

alshu said:
So just for the record: no she didn't killed them on purpose...but a person who has problems with people dying under her command shouldn't have anything to do with the military.

Idk about that though. A commander can feel awful about the soldiers that died under their command, but still be a worthwhile commander in action. Same goes for Lena.

alshu said:
1. Come on, don't spoil the story for anime only watchers.
2. Yep, this is ridiculous.

I wouldn't count that as a spoiler. In the episode, while talking to her uncle, she mentioned that she'll give it her all when commanding the Spearhead squadron. And her uncle even mentions that she works too hard and she should just do the bare minimum. Clearly she's not putting in effort to get soldiers killed. Of course she's putting in the effort because she wants those battles to be a success and a successful battle comes with minimal casualties.

I'm honestly not sure why you find wanting to command the 86-ers to minimize casualties a "ridiculous" thing. I get that pitying the oppressed while living a relaxed life is ridiculous, but not the action of being a handler to minimize casualties.

alshu said:
Maybe in the LN but here they are force feeding her to us.

The first portion of the episode is from her perspective, that's why it feels like it's force feeding the character to us. But nothing in this episode indicates that Lena is a character worth sympathizing for. We see her feel bad for the fallen soldiers, but clearly the soldiers themselves are irritated by her pity words.

Apr 10, 2021 4:27 PM

#112

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alshu said:

Thai777 said:

I'm not sure I understand your problem here.

I explained.

I'm sorry I still don't get it. I won't pretend to be smart, explain it to me because I genuinely don't see the problem.

alshu said:

Thai777 said:
You want her to be a fully fleshed characters from the first episode?

Nope, I am expecting her to be a believable character...even by the extremely low standards of mecha she fails.

Here again, I don't understand. What is your criteria to be a believable character? To me, she looks like an hypocrite and a hypocrite is not an unbelievable character. I will also point out that she is not an adult, she is a teen.

alshu said:

Thai777 said:
She is exacty what was said

If she really cared for the 86's she wasn't supposed to act like she did.

But she can improve from here on, no? It's only one episode. She can treat them even worse from here on or she can treat them better, like I said we have nothing concrete to judge her. Unless for you a character should not make any mistake from the beginning?

alshu said:

Thai777 said:
how can you even think she is nonsensical?

I find not only her nonsensical in this show...

Here again... why do you judge character to be nonsensical in a single episode? Do they look like psychotic dipolar character that switch between being sweet and murderous every second? That would be my definition of nonsensical, what is yours?

Apr 10, 2021 4:31 PM

#113

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As someone who hasn't read the light novels this episode comes off a bit heavy in exposition dumps.

Alot of terms/names of mechanical warframes and alot of complicated sounding names of people and countries. I'm all up for a good sci-fi war/politic anime but it makes me wonder if I should read the LNs instead? For better context, since sorry to say I don't particularly trust A-1 Pictures.

So far all this episode has shown me is:
1. We have a cute sliver haired waifu with a righteous sense of justice apparently.
2. A country full of silver haired, silvered eyed civilians, potentially from eugenics engineering?
3. A war "without" any human casualties (doubtful).
4. The news said 85 districts in the Republic yet the show is called "86." Is there a hidden district where all the wars take place primarily to maintain the peace in the other 85?
5. Drones used in warfare, likely run by the lower class of this world in secret from the general public's perception.
6. "Eighty Six" and "Pigs" - derogatory terms for either the lower class (military forces) of the Republic or the opposing countries forces.
7. "Real eggs and milk." - Food storage in the Republic maybe?

----Second half of the episode-----
Seems I was right, all the military forces seem like normal humans of mutiple ethnic groups. Likely lower class citizens of the Republic like I stated above.

The Republic seem to be run on the principle of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

Apr 10, 2021 4:35 PM

#114

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GoldenDevilGamer said:
But nothing in this episode indicates that Lena is a character worth sympathizing for. We see her feel bad for the fallen soldiers, but clearly the soldiers themselves are irritated by her pity words.

At this point in the story you still miss a lot of context of what San Magnolia is (and just how truly fucked up it is) so some of the subtleties in Lena's interactions with 86 might off to you, but you'll come around after a few episodes let me assure you.

Apr 10, 2021 4:35 PM

#115

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alshu said:

Thai777 said:

I'm not sure I understand your problem here.

I explained.

Thai777 said:
You want her to be a fully fleshed characters from the first episode?

Nope, I am expecting her to be a believable character...even by the extremely low standards of mecha she fails.

Thai777 said:
She is exacty what was said

If she really cared for the 86's she wasn't supposed to act like she did.

Thai777 said:
how can you even think she is nonsensical?

I find not only her nonsensical in this show...

That's why she is trying to do her job properly to minimize the casualties through her tactics that's the only thing she can do now. However I can understand your point she is a actually hypocrite regardless and that's not nonsensical.

Apr 10, 2021 4:36 PM

#116

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Wow so much similarities to Code Geass Akito the Exiled. White-class people commanding 86s(elevens), which I beleved are oppressed race of Giadian Empire(Britannian Empire) away from battlefield. Similar mc name Lena(Leila). There's Spider-like robots. Is this a rip-off or just influenced work. Tell me more if you can find more similarities between the 2 series.

Anyway visuals are fuckin good, holy shut that sunset, CG fights we're better as expected.

OP is too upbeat this kind of OP is used on battle shounens, lmao.

Apr 10, 2021 4:42 PM

#117

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VanishingKira said:
As someone who hasn't read the light novels this episode comes off a bit heavy in exposition dumps.

Alot of terms/names of mechanical warframes and alot of complicated sounding names of people and countries. I'm all up for a good sci-fi war/politic anime but it makes me wonder if I should read the LNs instead? For better context, since sorry to say I don't particularly trust A-1 Pictures.

So far all this episode has shown me is:
1. We have a cute sliver haired waifu with a righteous sense of justice apparently.
2. A country full of silver haired, silvered eyed civilians, potentially from eugenics engineering?
3. A war "without" any human casualties (doubtful).
4. The news said 85 districts in the Republic yet the show is called "86." Is there a hidden district where all the wars take place primarily to maintain the peace in the other 85?
5. Drones used in warfare, likely run by the lower class of this world in secret from the general public's perception.
6. "Eighty Six" and "Pigs" - derogatory terms for either the lower class (military forces) of the Republic or the opposing countries forces.
7. "Real eggs and milk." - Food storage in the Republic maybe?

----Second half of the episode-----
Seems I was right, all the military forces seem like normal humans of mutiple ethnic groups. Likely lower class citizens of the Republic like I stated above.

The Republic seem to be run on the principle of "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil."

You can wait for another episode and even then they doesn't explore some of these topics then go for LN.

Apr 10, 2021 4:42 PM

#118

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I am bit bothered by CGI to be honest. Moreso that in something llke Attack on Titan.

Slice-of-life parts of the episode were animated fantastically, but this is kinda a military porn show so I fear having to look at this style of animation during action sequences will go old real fast.

Apr 10, 2021 4:49 PM

#119

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laganndrilz said:
Tell me more if you can find more similarities between the 2.

They are not really similar at all. Based on the novels this is based on it's more like Evan Winter's Rage of Dragons crossed with Evangelion.

Apr 10, 2021 4:51 PM

#120

GoldenDevilGamer

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heitoo said:

Yeah, I know. I've read the LNs up to vol 7.

Apr 10, 2021 4:53 PM

#121

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alshu said:

GoldenDevilGamer said:

It happened in the first volume in the novel. You can't call it a retcon if the novel was written with the intention of bringing that up.

OK, still pretty desperate move to make her look cool and politically correct early on...which also contradicts with her killing a lot of those guys in her missions. If she is supposed to be so empathic - why not quit military and do something by political means to save them?
Yes, this would mean less action and way more grinding against the machine, loosing privileges and eventually going to jail...

No matter how you slice it, her character here come as nonsensical.

PS
To sum it up:

AlShu: The Emperor has no clothes.
GoldenDevilGamer: But...but there is an explanation.

Lena is only 16 years old, which stands to reason that she mostly likely doesn't have much political experience because of her age. From my perspective, it would be reasonable to work in the military and take on a role that will allow her to communicate and apply her combat analysis skills. If she does want to pursue politics in the future, she could pivot with her military experience since I am assuming that people who served in the military are look more favorably on when it comes to elections.

If anything, it is that she is smart. She is taking on a back-end role that allows her to assist the processors without having to deal with unwanted public attention that comes with being a politician.

Yes, this would mean less action and way more grinding against the machine, loosing privileges and eventually going to jail...

Well... jeez. Wouldn't it be sensical to make an effort to avoid losing privileges and going to jail?

ConceptualheroApr 10, 2021 5:47 PM

I like dub more than sub because I am not a weeb.

Apr 10, 2021 4:57 PM

#122

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A-1 Pictures is a mid tier studio, but they'll occasionally make something that impresses me, such as Magi or Your Lie In April. It looks like 86 could be one of those

Very strong start. I really like the directing, animation, and aesthetic of this show. The story and characters seem intriguing as well. Definitely looking forward to more.

Apr 10, 2021 5:00 PM

#123

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heitoo said:

laganndrilz said:
Tell me more if you can find more similarities between the 2.

They are not really similar at all. Based on the novels this is based on it's more like Evan Winter's Rage of Dragons crossed with Evangelion.

Similarities are too similar to be ignored.

Apr 10, 2021 5:06 PM

#124

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This is very interesting. Very cool animation, I really like the atmosphere. I also really like the characters especially Undertaker and Miriźe. Awesome premise, I will look forward to the story in the future. Fuckin' Glory to the Spearhead Squadron.

Apr 10, 2021 5:10 PM

#125

heitoo

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laganndrilz said:

heitoo said:

They are not really similar at all. Based on the novels this is based on it's more like Evan Winter's Rage of Dragons crossed with Evangelion.

Similarities are too similar to be ignored.

Code Geass is part a revenge story part a tale about the tyranny and the price of revolution. 86 has none of these aspects, it’s a military sci-fantasy show with a bit of racial oppression backdrop at the start oft he story.

Apr 10, 2021 5:12 PM

#126

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Only the first episode and it's already interesting so i did the right decision for having a high expectation in this anime.......

Apr 10, 2021 5:19 PM

#127

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heitoo said:

laganndrilz said:

Similarities are too similar to be ignored.

I'm referring to Akito the Exiled movies/ovas not the Lelouch of Rebellion tv series though.

Apr 10, 2021 5:24 PM

#128

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laganndrilz said:
I'm referring to Akito the Exiled movies/ovas not the Lelouch of Rebellion tv series though.

Ah, sorry I haven’t noticed you’re referring to spin-off series or even knew this existed lol. Well, maybe then.

Apr 10, 2021 5:59 PM

#129

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Great episode. The setting of this world and the premise look very intriguing and left me wanting to see more. This has a huge potential I hope they don't mess it up.

Still early to comment on the characters or where the actual plot will go in, but everything so far looks interesting.

The art style is also great. The mechas seem to be in CGI I believe but what is seen from them look good as well.

Apr 10, 2021 6:04 PM

#130

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86 lived up to my expectations. It didnt disappoint me at all. I hope the animation quality remains the same. I don't want to go into details. The visuals were great , the pacing was good , the animation was great , the music was great , the voice acting was good. It has got the potential to become an epic anime. I pity the people who are sleeping on it. I will stick with it till the end. It gave me code geass vibes , idk why. Anyways i loved it!

Apr 10, 2021 6:23 PM

#131

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the animation on this show is crazy, i mean like really. But am I the only person who doesn't know what they are talking about?

Apr 10, 2021 6:31 PM

#132

Swizze

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This episode was awesome, might be anime of the season for me. Looking forward to the rest!

Apr 10, 2021 6:49 PM

#133

MacchiaStella

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The animation looks pretty good. Looks like they won't like the white hair girl, at the start at least

"he has it big as a cactus
but he won't let go of my head
and I puke on his cock bitch" - Boy by Fishball

Apr 10, 2021 7:02 PM

#134

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okay, i liked it so far. the death in the first episode is pretty sad but it just kinda introduces the reality of what all of them face daily. i look forward to the next episode

Apr 10, 2021 7:12 PM

#135

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Interesting world and plot. Animation is very good as well, none flaw spots for this first episode. If this eventually developed well, this could be one of my favorites of the season but I don't want to have high hopes though. Let's see what happends

Apr 10, 2021 7:16 PM

#136

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this show reeks of depression!
but at least we have Sawano for the musics...
5/5.

Apr 10, 2021 7:27 PM

#137

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this has been on a list for a while now since i heard good things at least of the opening Vol only read a small bit of it,

it was alright quite a few terms drop from all the exposition that aren't that hard to piece together but weren't really explained that much

it has almost the same plot of Valkyria Chronicles III just with racism as the main focus and less cool tanks ...for real i thought their were mechs in this but instead it's these lame ass spiderbots they don't look that bad CGI wise but eh not a fan of their designs at all.

has promise expectations are still at a low will be looking forward to that sawano drop though

Apr 10, 2021 7:43 PM

#138

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hmm this seems pretty interesting, production quality and everything is quite nice, which is to be expected from a-1 but characters and story look pretty intriguing as well. like the character designs especially, the uniform is cute and also interesting that all the people had white hair and stuff, cgi was actually very good compared to most stuff, wasn't very noticeable at all. things going on with the mc girl are cool and the story with those soldiers and stuff as well, will be looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

Apr 10, 2021 7:45 PM

#139

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Really good episode.I really loved it.

Fantastic adaptation.Hopefully it keeps like this.

Apr 10, 2021 7:54 PM

#140

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There's no more words I can say to this episode.
All I want to say is: FUCKING GLORY TO THE SPEARHEAD SQUADRON!!!

Apr 10, 2021 8:10 PM

#141

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Wow, what an episode. The OST isn't that much remarkable, but this anime seems to have a good plot. The animation was very good, and the episode was overall very catchy. I look forward to watch Ep. 2.

Apr 10, 2021 8:20 PM

#142

Viz

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oof those sudden cuts caught me each time, first episode looks good overall.

Apr 10, 2021 8:32 PM

#143

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Coming from someone who's a Massive fan of IBO, I'm really exited to see where this goes. Would you guys recommend jumping ahead and reading the light novels, or should I just watch this all play out from the anime?

Apr 10, 2021 8:48 PM

#144

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Yet another impossible dystopia.

When you can't think up content, use the food scene as a crutch. Twice. Throw in a kitty for good measure.

Wonder if we'll ever be told why they don't simply kill these kids with non-blue hair and use robots or remote pilots instead.

Either way, a lot of bad ideas clumsily handled.

Bruh, it's just the first episode calm down. I kinda agree with you that having a cute food scene right out the gate is a bit jarring, especially considering the militaristic tone the worldbuilding is setting up, but I don't see how anyone could have a legitimate issue with a cat. It humanizes the people around it. Cheap fallback, sure, but are they supposed to act like emotionless robots instead?

Just wait an see where it goes, I think it has at least some promise.

Apr 10, 2021 8:52 PM

#145

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Paulotronator said:
Wow, what an episode. The OST isn't that much remarkable, but this anime seems to have a good plot. The animation was very good, and the episode was overall very catchy. I look forward to watch Ep. 2.

Yeah, I started watching this solely because Sawano was doing the OST. Praying we get at least a few of his signature bombastic tracks!

Apr 10, 2021 9:01 PM

#146

Potriel

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I didn't read the LN, but this ep was such a good surprise.

Apr 10, 2021 9:02 PM

#147

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Main characters seem quite likable and the animation is fantastic. Military shenanigans are usually entertaining and this one has been hyped up a lot so I'm hoping it won't disappoint.

Apr 10, 2021 9:46 PM

#148

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Wow, very gorgeous and interesting start. Full of Military and Sci-Fi elements. I love it.
I'm interested in Vladilena and Nouzen (both MCs of this show) relationship in the future. 86 (EIGHTY SIX) is good or evil.

P.S. I didn't know author is female. Cool.

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Apr 10, 2021 9:48 PM

#149

Catalyze

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The episode had some nice fight scenes in it with great artwork. I think that I will like the series and am looking forward to the next episode. My minor takeaway from this is that the female MC has what the English term "suspenders" holding up her hosiery. LOL

Apr 10, 2021 10:30 PM

#150

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Why does everyone in San Magnolia have white hair? Sign of high devotion to The Republic, maybe?

Okay start I guess. Nothing particularly remarkable to mention yet. Not even Sawano's OST which is a surprise. Anyways, hope Vladilena can become emotionally stronger as the story progresses.

By the way, this show indeed gives off some Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans vibes.

SouthRzVaApr 10, 2021 10:34 PM

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