Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari Episode 12 Discussion

papsoshea said:
A new enemy arrives and calls Naofumi the only worthy hero, while also calling the other heroes useless and his servants for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

Then they go to battle with the new enemy (Glass) where the other heroes are useless, while Naofumi is the only one who uses tactics and not getting one-shot pwned for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

What was up with the visuals and background music in this episode? When Naofumi looked into the sky and you saw that fucking bird or whatever it was, check the CG on that. Iron Maiden CG is cringe-inducing.

You have to wonder where Shield Trash can go from here. Naofumi already got his revenge, the whole world wants his D, how will the show keep tension until the final boss appears? And what can be done after that, get summoned to a different world and have another false rape claim thrown at him? At least SAO has it's different world via VR headset that can be used to go to any number of different dimensions.

papsoshea said:
The gimmicks of this show are dead now, this episode was fucking trash! Halfway in and this story has become a hollow shell of whatever the author's original idea was. Zero substance or creativity beyond the gimmicks the story used in the first four episodes - rape accusation, slavery, everyone hates the main protagonist, injustice, the main protagonist is the weakest etc., just so it can set up the revenge porn, misery porn, and justice porn. Another episode of "ego stroke by proxy" anime. Muh relatable character! Muh self-insertion! Muh waifu willing to be enslaved!

A new enemy arrives and calls Naofumi the only worthy hero, while also calling the other heroes useless and his servants for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

Then they go to battle with the new enemy (Glass) where the other heroes are useless, while Naofumi is the only one who uses tactics and not getting one-shot pwned for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

Then the King (kind of) congratulates Naofumi for his efforts, but still acts like a complete edgelord asshole, and Naofumi mocks the King in the open because he knows he can't be punished now that he has proven to be the OP sue protagonist for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

And the Princess loli (loli #3) pleads for Naofumi to return by admitting that he is amazing, and the OP sue character while the King is a complete asshole for the sake of having precious justice porn, for all the times he was humiliated for being useless and unneeded.

Some knight charges behind the loli princess back to assassinate her and the only one who is able to do something to save her is Naofumi, the others stand there like trees in a school play so the show can point out that Naofumi is the only one who can do shit in this awfully written series.

What was up with the visuals and background music in this episode? When Naofumi looked into the sky and you saw that fucking bird or whatever it was, check the CG on that. Iron Maiden CG is cringe-inducing. "Waves" are officially the most underwhelming thing when it comes to action sequences. And so much for the Shield Rage being something, he can only use when he's seething in rage and anger, but he casually taps into it again - in retrospect, it makes sense since he's an edgelord, and don't talk to me about the consequences because he is the main protagonist.

You have to wonder where Shield Trash can go from here. Naofumi already got his revenge, the whole world wants his D, how will the show keep tension until the final boss appears? And what can be done after that, get summoned to a different world and have another false rape claim thrown at him? At least SAO has it's different world via VR headset that can be used to go to any number of different dimensions.

DirectorK said:

I don't have a problem with people having different opinions and I'm well aware that everyone is different. The problem I do have is when people make stupid remarks like, "Oh, Naofumi is such a emo child!" or "Raphtalia loves being a slave!" and such. They never use their brains to figure out why things are the way they are or why certain characters make certain decisions regardless if they're good or bad. And then when someone does try to explain it to them they get all offended, act like know-it-alls, and talk down to anyone who disagrees with them. That's why I'm affected by this.

ProofByColor said:
Seems there's quite a bit more to waves than originally thought. We'll probably see this woman again next wave and maybe learn a bit more about what causes them cause she clearly came from those sky portals.

VeryLTTP said:

So people who like the show support slavery?

Aniteku said:
theres a lot of animes that has slavery and never was a issue till now and in this show cant really call them slaves at least on naofumi side, in anime only he just doesnt give them money but gives them food and confort. In LN naofumi actualy pays them and when they not questing or traveling he lest them do what they want even wonder around

VeryLTTP said:

Huh, that's pretty cool. While we don't see that happen in the manga or anime, we do see Raphtalia sometimes taking charge of how the money is spent. In Ep 7, she and Filo bought Naofumi a gift to boost his crafting skills so they do have quite a bit of autonomy.

Alternate_Wraph said:
With the King's "I don't want to lose my family again" line.

gswelcome said:
Hope there is a reasonable explanation to try and kill her in front of witnesses.

-Swish said:


What witnesses Lol. There's only Naofumi's party and the guards doing the assassination.

gswelcome said:


I mean why not just kill her on the road, why wait until there are others to see? I suppose this might be another frame job to put on Naofumi but even if the bitch princess thinks he's weak but his party isn't! Those soldiers are dead instead of spreading the "proper" story of her death. Just silly overall.

Of course Melty's sister has shown herself to be evil AND an idiot so maybe...

-Swish said:


Well him being framed is the point. They can't kill Naofumi and vice versa. In the short term all the ways this it could go favor Malty.

Aniteku said:
they got a nice picture of naofumi grabing melty away from a guard

DirectorK said:

No. You're not watching this show because you enjoy it. You're watching this show because you enjoy complaining about it. I've been reading your posts on previous threads about this anime and it's clear to me that you don't know anything about the real world or just how bad life can be, especially on the subject of slavery. I could give you an entire history lesson on the subject but since you made it clear that only your word is law and everyone else is below you when it comes to different opinions and such I'm not going to bother because anything I say you'll just ignore anyway.

You know what your are my friend? You're one of those people who only watches anime because you're bored and have nothing better to do. If fact, you're probably so bored with life itself you have to find things to complain about. Whenever you see something you don't like you make your mission to let the whole world know and will go even further by belittling those who disagree while ignoring others who try to explain it to you because it doesn't match you own point of view. A wise person would dropped this anime and moved on to something else a long time ago and you're definitely not one of them no matter how much you like to think you are.

You've only stayed with this anime because people on this forum reply to you, and when they do you are overjoyed by it because you are getting attention. It makes you feel important. And in the meantime you enjoy making other people feel miserable for even liking this show. I wonder, could you by any chance be related to Malty? Because I certainly see a resemblance with the way you say your words.

And before you start calling me another one of those "fanboy crybabies" let me tell you something. I've had my own complaints about this anime too but I've kept quiet about it for three reasons. One, I don't complain unless I have a very good reason to. Second, I got better things to do than to bitch about every single thing I don't like. And three, any complaint I do give I allow the benefit of the doubt because chances are I could be wrong in my thinking. In fact, I welcome anyone who disagrees with me because there's always a chance for me to change my opinion because I didn't understand it the first time like they did. That seems to be something you're not capable of.

I wasted enough words with you but I will give you one piece of advice. You better be careful with what you say and do with that attitude of yours otherwise you might find yourself in situation similar to Naofumi. You're intelligent, I'll give you that, but not experienced. Your thinking pattern suggest two dimensional thinking. Have a good day, my friend.

GenesisAria said:
Accomplishing that is exponentially more difficult than your little brain can process i guess. The resources and infrastructure don't exist in the large scale today even, let alone in a world that doesn't have 20th/21st century infrastructure.

Make it, obviously. Not rocket science.

Lolwhat? Someone on the street has a potential future? That's highly debatable... Try talking to someone on the street, and they'll fill you in all you want on how hard it is to get into society, especially if you've reached homelessness, because you can't even keep up basic hygiene criteria for work. Someone would have to take you in or help you out. Something like ownership systems may give incentive for those capable to pick up impoverished to improve their lives somewhat. Most people are apathetic, they're not gonna go and help random people unless you manage to pity train them or give incentive. And if government is stealing money from the masses via tax to pay for this, then can you really justify the taking away of freedom to deny that Robbin Hood-ing?

ps: There is an exit strategy, it's called find someone to liberate you. Again, not rocket science.

It's a common sense argument, if you thought about it and stop drowning it in your ideology you'd see what i'm saying does make sense given the context. It not making sense is a flaw in YOUR cognitive ability to process it. Also, burden of proof is not a one way street bub. Not that it matters because anyone can find evidence for any claim no matter how absurd, so that's pointless anyway. You can't cry evidence when you only bring anecdotes to the table yourself.

How much people are taught in school has jackshit to do with how much is documented. I know obscene amounts of well documented hardcore empirical science that contradicts bullshit they teach in school, but the bullshit persists in education. Education is absolutely irrelevant.

Ad hominem? I'm not the one attacking people based on emotions, biases and steadfast ideologies. I'm not the one here making claims of what's good bad, acceptable or not.

Again, Frozen Abstraction, assuming the subcategory is the greater category. The only grounds in which you can dismiss slavery as always intrinsically bad, harmful and detrimental regardless of context, is if you are pushing libertarian ideology, insisting that freedom is intrinsically good. This is a belief, not an objective fact. There are countless people out there who can argue very effectively that control is necessary to protect the people. Regardless of what i agree with, these people do have valid points, as do those who believe in liberty.

It's not about acceptability. Not everyone needs or wants an independent future. You're talking like freedom is paramount and undebatable. What defines your "personhood" anyway? To me, and to basically all of the very wise and enlightened ancient world: you are you; you are not what you physically seem to be, you are not what you feel, you are not what you think, you are not what you believe... these are attributes of your presence, not definitions of the self.

This is like making the claim that, for example, we suddenly decide, by our current moral standards that, i dunno, gayness is bad and unseemly and a sickness... Guess what, much of history didn't give a rat's ass about homosexuality... Suddenly everyone made a stink about it and cherry picked all the details they could to make it look at bad as possible to fit their arguments. It took a while for gays to free themselves of this bs that came out of an abstract ideology.

You clearly have no clue how social security ie welfare systems work, or rather how they don't work. So i'll just toss you aside on your ignorance there, tata.

A child is a slave until they are released legally and by their parents. A slavemaster is just as capable of raising slaves and releasing them, as any perosn is able to claim an animal from the wild, help it, and release it. You ari failing to see any context other than your imagination that shows you a picture of a mistreated poor individual who is captive for all their life and will never have freedom and dreams of being free but never can, blahblahblah, this is as much a fantasy as anything else.

ONLY IF THE MASTER SAYS YOU AREN'T ALLOWED. THAT'S THE KEY FACTOR. You keep talking like being a slave means you cannot have anything ever and are forced to live in an empty room, work hard labour, do everyone's bidding and never get anything, and that every single slavery is and must always be this way. That's again a pessimistic fantasy. It's CONDITIONAL and depends on CONTEXT.

You have a very very very very specific image of slavery in your head, which is perpetuated by the narrative that is presented in academia and media, which is what you keep going by, as this nconditional state of hardship and suffering and that it always must be this way. Even when you are given narrative examples of where slavery can be perfectly fine, as with Naofumi and Raphtalia, you STILL ignore all of it and reinforce your bias.

Slavery existed for a very long time because it was seen to be practical, you're contradicting yourself.

6 in one, half dozen the other.

Not really, just law enforcement on treatment, not massive infrastructure and flow of money through complicated systems that waste money everywhere. I've talked to economists about welfare, and they tell me straight up, having social services on the federal level is extremely inefficient and a massive waste of money.

As i've said multiple times, you keep selling personhood and autonomy and agency, but you cannot back this up with any facts beyond ideology. You cannot objectively convince someone unequivocally that freedom is paramount and is always good, because "good" is subjective.

Translation: i'm going to dismiss people saying i'm reee-ing because i'm always right.
Smh.

I'm tired of the endless virtue signalling.The ideological aggressors are pretty much always the ones in the wrong.

That depend show you define shitty. Again, as much as i favour liberty, i cannot objectively defend it as the one and only way, because it has it's own endless train of issues as any other societal ideology. I said to the other guy as well, it's very easy to submit a strong and valid argument to oppose freedom for the sake of protecting the people. As i've stated, slavery can, as done with children and pets, be used as a safety net for protecting people. Big emphasis on CAN.

I'm just going to exit the topic now because i'm tired of it and swamping everyone else's conversation space. If you (SSL443) respond to me you can bet i won't read it.


BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE RELEVANCE OF THE SERIES:

Ultimately i love Naofumi's and Raphtalia's relationship, i would love to have a Raph of my own, and i also would love to have a Naofumi of my own (minus the being a guy part lol). Having someone to protect is a very special thing, but so it being protected. The "slave" bond makes it so that nobody is able to question it or separate it against their wills. I 100% agree with Raphtalia on her statement in previous episodes that others should have the balls to give slaves new lives and better futures by claiming them.

Punpun3 said:
that last part though... If they told me a 6 year old wrote the script I would honestly believe it.
so, the guard decides to attack the princess right in front of the strongest hero, not before they arrive, RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM... just for the sake of plot progression. this is so stupid I'm actually impressed. jesus christ this anime is so trash. pisses me off that this is so highly rated and popular....

Punpun3 said:
that last part though... If they told me a 6 year old wrote the script I would honestly believe it.
so, the guard decides to attack the princess right in front of the strongest hero, not before they arrive, RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM... just for the sake of plot progression. this is so stupid I'm actually impressed. jesus christ this anime is so trash. pisses me off that this is so highly rated and popular....

Lukesterry said:
the reason why this event was popular was because Light Novel and Manga were made well and left a good impression on the readers, so when the anime was announced the fans were very happy with the event, even though the event was not as good as LN and Manga, but come on, friends think positively Are we not used to getting injustice in Japanese studios in terms of animation and story quality, small examples of popular manga such as Berserk get bad CGI quality and garbage as well as OPM Season 2 now, which is why you don't have to waste your time with complaints that don't exist

Punpun3 said:


what are you talking about... event? improve your english bro

AzorAhai said:
That was it? I expected so much from the anticipated Glass. Turns out she cant even wound people, what a joke.

Demyx_IX said:
Did you not see her literally wipe out the other heroes and their party members?

SSL443 said:

"wipe out"

All the hereos at least are still alive and unharmed.

Demyx_IX said:


I wouldn't call being knocked unconscious as unharmed though.

CloudV49 said:
I liked the opening this episode had...too bad it won't be played again😭😭
(Ps if anyone knows the song name FOR THIS OPENING ONLY( ie. Ep12 op) Can you tell me👍👍)

CloudV49 said:
I liked the opening this episode had...too bad it won't be played again😭😭
(Ps if anyone knows the song name FOR THIS OPENING ONLY( ie. Ep12 op) Can you tell me👍👍)