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| *sniffles* So I figured the reason people are banning emotions is because they realized emotions cause nothing but suffering and cause us to fight wars and other foolishness. And so they found a way for emotions to be sealed. BUT...Lykos said Lion didn't have the emotions to feel worried for her but yet he has emotions to be a sadistic prick. Why weren't those kind of emotions sealed? And her brother who is the commander seems to have a strong emotion that's causing him to seek whatever goal he has in mind. So I think they're failing at this plan. Hypocrites. Then they go and want to cause a genocide because the people on Whale Island feel. Crazy. Poor Sami. And I totally agree with Ouni. I hate and disagree with torture too but that guy was dumb. Man up and protect the kids of the island instead of slapping the only one who got shit done. Because now it's survival of the fittest. Andrzej2 said: Yet another anime where main hero is a pussy. I loughted when even while being attacked this leader guy said that they can't respond with violence. I hope that main hero will toughten up and whole story won't be naively pacifistic. Um I think you're rushing things a bit. He's a pacifists that has never had to fight plus his job as an archivists basically has him being a recluse half the time. It would be absurd for him to suddenly have so much courage to start killing people ESPECIALLY after his dearest friend got killed. Besides he did something when it mattered most. He was gonna let himself be killed when it was just him alone, but when the kids came he actually fought back. He has room to grow. |
InugirlzOct 23, 2017 1:15 PM
| Oh shit. I was expecting some killing from the previous episode's the cliffhanger but not this slaughter. RIP Sami. :( Ouni was cool and a total badass. I am curious to see how the Mud Whale and it's people will change and whether they will abandon their pacifism. Those elders have a lot of explaining to do. |
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| Not gonna lie, the fact that the pink haired guy is really enjoying this while they are supposed to not have emotions is pretty annoying but outside of that, pretty solid episode. Of course most of them will act like ''retards'', they lived in peace for their entire life and suddenly this happens, they are shocked and dont know what to do in this kind of situation. |
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| So... the main complain I'm hearing is that characters here are acting like "pussies". Ok Einsteins, if you had lived your entire life isolated from the rest of the world without even knowing the concept of war how would you react? If you never even fathomed that a person can kill another how would you react? If all the people you knew were being slaughtered by actual trained soldiers with guns and blades and you were GODDAMNED UNARMED what would you have done? Inside the world of the show, their actions make sense. Also, most of the soldiers didn't move that much because they didn't want to kill them all YET. They made that clear, at least. However, I have to agree that characters like the psycho kid are VERY out of place in a squad of what's supposed to be EMOTIONLESS killers. I demand an explanation for his character, or else I'll be very dissapointed. Also, people judging the villain over three lines of dialogue and his appearance is just sad. Apparently, he has some bigger plan than ruling over an army, so we still have to see where that goes. As for the "it's a unique setting wasted for a war plot" argument... I can kind of agree with that too, but also disagree. This didn't come out of nowhere, in the very first episode we see lots of graves and Lykos openly attacks Chakuro. Plus she wears what is quite clearly a soldier outfit. I mean, I would have enjoyed a show where they just kinda travelled along the world and found stuff, but that wasn't what they were going for. Plus we already have two anime this season that do just that: Kino's Journey and Girls' Last Tour. A third would have been kinda overkill for me. Plus, a war plot can be as or even more interesting if they know how to handle it. If SAO taught us something, is that a unique setting doesn't make a good show. For now, I say we wait and see. This could either go very wrong or very well, but for now, I have my hopes up. |
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miguitronik said: This plus the shadiness from the council hinted that something dark was gonna happenAs for the "it's a unique setting wasted for a war plot" argument... I can kind of agree with that too, but also disagree. This didn't come out of nowhere, in the very first episode we see lots of graves and Lykos openly attacks Chakuro. Plus she wears what is quite clearly a soldier outfit. I mean, I would have enjoyed a show where they just kinda travelled along the world and found stuff, but that wasn't what they were going for. Plus we already have two anime this season that do just that: Kino's Journey and Girls' Last Tour. A third would have been kinda overkill for me. Plus, a war plot can be as or even more interesting if they know how to handle it. If SAO taught us something, is that a unique setting doesn't make a good show. |
| I didn't know what I was getting into when I started watching this show and I REALLY didn't expect it to suddenly become so violent and bloody-- although it is a nice juxtaposition to the watercolor aesthetic. I'm really loving this anime so far and I really love the characters and the differences in personalities. |
| This season is amazing, to be honest. And this is undoubtedly one of the animes that makes it so good. It's so well done. Opening and ending are beautiful. |
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| Ouni, you badass! He really helped me cope with the situation. |
| So much for a potentially great series. It's painfuly obvious that this is going to be one of those plots that rely on sheer idiocy of every single character. |
| fireflies to genocide in fifteen minutes |
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| I couldn't take Oruka seriously when I heard he had Zura's voice (Akira Ishida). xD |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: Albi-kun said: Ouni, you badass! He really helped me cope with the situation. I still don't understand why HE's not the main character. He's the one who: -First wanted to see the outside world -Actually fought, whereas everyone else just kinda awkwardly stumbled around like morons despite being able to use the Force -Managed to interrogate the enemy and learn of their motivations I guess they don't wanna have a "coldblooded" main character |
| Ouni is true MC here. really nice to see a pretty color and scenery porn anime actually have something going on and stuff actually happening. that's pretty rare feat. |
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| The anime got much better, I liked this episode But how those soldier are killing cute looking kids, and peaceful people like this in a cold blood |
| Man, I did not want it to be so but Sami is gone for good... I got nothing else to say. lady_freyja said: Thank you. While I was speaking of the massacre of the Arawaks by Christopher Colombus, the very first tribe he encountered in the Caribbean. It's Colombus himself who said in his diary that they don't know what a sword is, hurting themselves by taking it by the blade. He also noted that they were regularly enslaved by others tribes, because they don't defend themselves. The Awaraks story is often used to shows how cruel Colombus was. Both in the Carabean and in the Amazon there was some isolated tribes like that, there is still some in the Amazon. Some are aggressive (like, outside of the Amazon, there is the Sentinelese who are quite famous), but others are just like the people in the Mud Whale, coming with big smiles before guns or blades pointed to them…well, before the first deaths, that is. Say, rather than thinking that someone is that much ignorant, especially about such common knowledge like the American empires and confederations, and immediately going aggressive and mocking on it, you could ponder 5 minutes wondering about what am I speaking, perhaps? |
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| A lot of this pacifist character makes me pissed while watching especially Suou (really hate this guy), absolutely useless half the time I'm thinking about killing this guy myself The only person who actually did something helpful is Ouni and they give him a slap, what an ungrateful bastard |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: Then make the actual main character of this anime have actual impact on the plot. The MC has the same autistic, "what?" expression and dialogue that all bland harem leads have. And his voice is so bland that it almost seems like it's supposed to be satire. Agree I never understand why do they a lot of MC whose idiocy has reach to the point of retard. Like the guy have no common sense !!? |
Himawari9 said: ThatCynicalOtaku said: Then make the actual main character of this anime have actual impact on the plot. The MC has the same autistic, "what?" expression and dialogue that all bland harem leads have. And his voice is so bland that it almost seems like it's supposed to be satire. RedChrome said: A lot of this pacifist character makes me pissed while watching especially Suou (really hate this guy), absolutely useless half the time I'm thinking about killing this guy myself The only person who actually did something helpful is Ouni and they give him a slap, what an ungrateful bastard They are isolated people who had never seen outsiders and conflict before so the idea of fighting back didn't come their mind. They don't have a self-defense force or even practice any kind of fighting ability. You cannot apply our normal sense to them. The MC and his people still have room to learn and improve especially after they tasted despair. The MC's VA is experienced in voicing characters with tragic backstory like Tokyo Ghoul's Kaneki, Twin Star Exorcists' Rokuro so I expect more tragedy and actions in the future. Hopefully cause its really hard for me to watch their level of intellect |
| I've been thinking about it more since I watched this episode yesterday, and I realized that the elders not only have been hiding the truth about the world from the people... they have failed to prepare them for this event. It's obvious the inhabitants of the Mud Whale have had no (or extremely little) training for melee combat. They have no idea what is happening when the purge starts, like they are seeing something completely outside their ability to comprehend. Because they are: They literally have no concept of what weapons are or that they can kill. (Other than possibly the self defense force, which it seems were focused on protecting the people from non-human threats.) It's only speculation, but they have probably not had a single homocide or suicide in their entire history. If they have, it probably accomplished with Thymia or their bare hands. My bet is that they just do not know that a person can die any way other than natural causes. Which means that not only have the elders kept the truth about their origins and history from them, but in failing to instruct them in the use of weapons despite knowing that the genocide was coming, they have been passive accomplices in their own people's slaughter. Possibly unwilling, but still accomplices. Fuck them. With the business end of a polearm. |
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| these magic users or 'sinners' probably the one who instigated the war in the main continent. the magic users lost and human are in control. these people in the sand islands are the descendant of those people who escaped and chose to live in sand island to survive. the elders are there to oversee them so they dont go out of control and wage war again or maybe sympathisers who want to help these magic users. and these emotionless black magic users are killing tools used by human in main continent to exterminate the remnant of magic users. they are made emotionless so it's easier to control them. well probably like that if they go cliche route, quote me later |
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| Holy shit this episode was intense! Poor Sami but she went out a hero. Ouni is my fucking boy though! oh my lord he tore those clowns up! The murders were pretty brutal, Lances' to the throat and stomach, jeeze. Did Taisha protect that dude that's always with her? Unless that was a different guy in the medical room saying "Taisha-sama" If so props to her as well. Chakuro at least fought back which gives me some hope he will whoop some ass later in the anime. |
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lady_freyja said: That's exactly what I was thinking watching this as well. An even better example would be the Dodo's. When sailors first arrived on Mauritius, they could just pick the Dodo's up and put them in cooking pots without them struggling. The guys of the Mud Whale never known real conflict, let alone a war. No wonder they reacted like that. There was instances like that in our own history, notably during the colonization of America by the Europeans. Some tribes didn't even know what a weapon was, they simply got killed without offering any resistance. And like said by Aquamirror, Chakuro did react once the initial shock passed. I think the show really sold that element well with its directing btw. |
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Holy fuck that was mortifying to watch. I'm so sad now.... that image of Sami's face with dead, expressionless eyes was fucking traumatizing, jesus christ. I was not prepared for this dammit. So angry at those clown fuckfaces, Ouni needs to go to town on the lot of them, bloody cunts. I don't like watching kids get hurt, this anime crushed my soul. RIP Sami and all the others that lost their lives this episode, you will be missed, and hopefully avenged. ThatCynicalOtaku said: When the Clown Inquisition starts killing people, they stand around for 5 minutes without shooting the rest, there are barely any character reactions to the horror they witness because of the wide-angle shots that are used, all the massacring scenes last for a really small amount of time, none of the characters' reactions have any serious weight behind them to seeing people getting killed. Why does no one seem to be considering the possibility that the clowns standing around wasn't for dramatic effect while the characters talked, but maybe because they are emotionless and don't give a damn? They aren't killing people out of joy or sport (except for pink hair, who will likely be explained later), they are just swatting flies because they are there and recording/observing (which was explicitly stated). Maybe once they noticed the people weren't a threat there was no urgency to kill them, hence them not killing Ouni's friends until the bald guy became aggressive, at which point he got capped. It seemed like the clowns just cleared out a beachhead to ensure no threat to themselves and then just stood around indiscriminately killing when someone got in their way of hanging out smokin' a cig. Let's give the creators of the show the benefit of the doubt until we know for sure, because personally it seemed waaaaaaay too intentional to have clowns standing around ignoring people and taking their time unless it was on purpose. We know that they weren't even there to exterminate in the first place, they were just there to recover the other floating island, hence them leaving and coming back in 7 days to actually exterminate them. At that point maybe we won't see any further hesitation. If every action scene for the rest of the show has this issue, then we know it is poor directing, but right now it could very much be an intentional part of the story and part of the characterization for the clown culture. ThatCynicalOtaku said: And the villains...oh God...why is anime incapable of creating villains with SOME subtletey? Why do the villains have to be the over-the-top, "Ooohhh, look how psychotic I am!" characters? Er, a character being cartoonishly psychotic doesn't mean they have no subtlety by default, you can have batshit crazy fuckers with nuance, but we haven't had enough time with Pinky yet to know where he sits beyond his introduction used to make him as detestable as possible in a short period of time. People were raving about Beetlegeuce in Re:Zero being a brilliant character when he was just straight edgy with no justification, yet giving pink haired guy here shit before we even know why he is the way he is? The real question is why the society he is in has allowed him to exist at all when he clearly breaks their rules about emotional disconnection. He should be dead like everyone else this episode, yet he isn't. That is a curious anomaly. |
RealityRushOct 24, 2017 8:40 AM
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| What a heart wrenching episode... had too much blood and senseless cruelty. I know most of those invasors are people with no heart or emotions, but it still was so hard to watch. Also, Lykos' older brother was leading the massacre and doesn't seem to care much about her. Really sad. RIP Sami and Taisha, wish they stayed longer. All hail Ouni by the way. He's the real MVP in this series. I hope he can slap some sense into the survivors as to why is important to fight back. |
| wow nobody told me this show was going to be this sad??? i'm kinda depressed now. |
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| Oh damn! an innocent slaughter-fest episode! I hope Ouni brings in judgement and kill all of the race of those attackers! 4/5. |
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| Damnit Sami was my favourite character. Second half of this episode dragged, I know it was supposed to be poignant but they needed something to make it actually flow. |
dbaranyi said: lady_freyja said: The guys of the Mud Whale never known real conflict, let alone a war. No wonder they reacted like that. There was instances like that in our own history, notably during the colonization of America by the Europeans. Some tribes didn't even know what a weapon was, they simply got killed without offering any resistance. Hahahahahahaha... read up on some history of the Americas before and during the European settlement. Read up on the Commanche Empire, the Iroquois Wars, the Aztecs, The Maya, The Inca, and all of their predecessor empires... ''some tribes''. What part of ''some'' is hard to comprehend for you? |
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| That was one brutal episode.... The people on the Mud Whale were getting killed left and right, no matter children, teenagers or adults. Can't say I like the sadistic guy, at all... |
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RealityRush said: Holy fuck that was mortifying to watch. I'm so sad now.... that image of Sami's face with dead, expressionless eyes was fucking traumatizing, jesus christ. I was not prepared for this dammit. So angry at those clown fuckfaces, Ouni needs to go to town on the lot of them, bloody cunts. I don't like watching kids get hurt, this anime crushed my soul. RIP Sami and all the others that lost their lives this episode, you will be missed, and hopefully avenged. ThatCynicalOtaku said: When the Clown Inquisition starts killing people, they stand around for 5 minutes without shooting the rest, there are barely any character reactions to the horror they witness because of the wide-angle shots that are used, all the massacring scenes last for a really small amount of time, none of the characters' reactions have any serious weight behind them to seeing people getting killed. Why does no one seem to be considering the possibility that the clowns standing around wasn't for dramatic effect while the characters talked, but maybe because they are emotionless and don't give a damn? They aren't killing people out of joy or sport (except for pink hair, who will likely be explained later), they are just swatting flies because they are there and recording/observing (which was explicitly stated). Maybe once they noticed the people weren't a threat there was no urgency to kill them, hence them not killing Ouni's friends until the bald guy became aggressive, at which point he got capped. It seemed like the clowns just cleared out a beachhead to ensure no threat to themselves and then just stood around indiscriminately killing when someone got in their way of hanging out smokin' a cig. Let's give the creators of the show the benefit of the doubt until we know for sure, because personally it seemed waaaaaaay too intentional to have clowns standing around ignoring people and taking their time unless it was on purpose. We know that they weren't even there to exterminate in the first place, they were just there to recover the other floating island, hence them leaving and coming back in 7 days to actually exterminate them. At that point maybe we won't see any further hesitation. If every action scene for the rest of the show has this issue, then we know it is poor directing, but right now it could very much be an intentional part of the story and part of the characterization for the clown culture. ThatCynicalOtaku said: And the villains...oh God...why is anime incapable of creating villains with SOME subtletey? Why do the villains have to be the over-the-top, "Ooohhh, look how psychotic I am!" characters? Er, a character being cartoonishly psychotic doesn't mean they have no subtlety by default, you can have batshit crazy fuckers with nuance, but we haven't had enough time with Pinky yet to know where he sits beyond his introduction used to make him as detestable as possible in a short period of time. People were raving about Beetlegeuce in Re:Zero being a brilliant character when he was just straight edgy with no justification, yet giving pink haired guy here shit before we even know why he is the way he is? The real question is why the society he is in has allowed him to exist at all when he clearly breaks their rules about emotional disconnection. He should be dead like everyone else this episode, yet he isn't. That is a curious anomaly. You can write a goddamn book on why characters like these's behaviors are justified, and I wouldn't care. Why? Because their personalities are beyond obnoxious, contradict the tone, try TOO hard to be intimidating. Just like how I didn't care about the character development in Flip Flappers, because I didn't care about any of the characters' personalities to begin with. |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: You can write a goddamn book on why characters like these's behaviors are justified, and I wouldn't care. Why? Because their personalities are beyond obnoxious, contradict the tone, try TOO hard to be intimidating. Just like how I didn't care about the character development in Flip Flappers, because I didn't care about any of the characters' personalities to begin with. I mean, if you just hate that character type, fair enough, you do you. I take issue with it "not fitting the tone" of Mud Whales though, as this episode is literally the one meant to set the tone. Previous episodes subtly alluded to things not being quite right despite the pleasant visuals to comfort you. There was always something in the background, and you saw it in the jittery council, the desire to ignore emotion, the blue-haired girl, etc. That laid the groundwork for this episode, which is very clearly the "tone" they are going for. |
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