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| The propaganda is so good lol. But seriously WTF?!, two high officer gossiping about their Nation biggest secret in the forest?! yare yare daze.. ¯\_(-_-")_/¯ This is why i hate anime cliche, they'll do any unreasonable thing just to move the plot. |
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| Nooo Jonas what have you done >.<, it sure that the espion will talk with him. Once again, it was a great episode. They made the good choice to simulated the power of Izetta, now the german think that she can fight everywhere. I liked how she was charismatic even without her power. |
| Izetta kicks ass. Really digging the science nazi guy. Wonder his role to come. |
| I honestly think the good guys would have been better served if they advertised that they defeated the enemy through conventional means. That pass was such treacherous terrain that there is no way the Germanians could have hoped to seize it, especially with tanks. Showing that the good guys could win without the witch would have been a major psychological blow. |
| That General and the spy guy have NO concept of operational security. You DO NOT blab about Top Secret information just anywhere you please. I know its a plot device but geez... |
| The sword that takes life gives life |
| The scene of the earthquake was very good, despite of that, is kind of boring and Izzeta is very childish sometimes. The characters are the main problem, in my opinion. |
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| I just don't understand why they still resort to the old "two peeps talk about big secret in the open, but oh no! other guy is listening from around the corner!" It's just such a lazy and contrived device. I know this is in, like, half of anime out there, but can we think of no other way of adding depth/complication to a story? Overall a bit better than last episode imo, propaganda stuff was interesting. Not holding out a whole lot of hope but perhaps they'll turn things around. |
| the generals telling the secrets out loud were so unprofessional, they deserve to be taken over i bet glasses guy ends up helping them |
| That loud conversation outside was retarded. It is the same as saying loudly that you have 1 million dollars in your backyard... |
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| Except for the ending, it was really great episode. Perfect coronation and the reveal of the White Witch. Then the demonstration fight against Germanians. And finally the fake Witch's powers :-) I'm really confident that the cliché ending will not turn out later into cliché plot. |
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| I can't believe they really revealed Izetta to everyone ... Why the hell those 2 would discuss a government secret in a middle of forest??? dafuq... I bet Jonas will screw up everything. |
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| The episode was going so well, and then they resort to cheap bullshit at the end... sigh. |
zcv45 said: Their plan is flawed so badly. First problem to their plan is the fighting style. For the past 3 battles she used magic to launch projectiles like ice shards or swords. However this time she caused a land slide. Inconsistent attacks like that is very glaring. Second, by showing up and ordering them to surrender tells the enemy that she don't or can't use her powers so she prefer a peaceful resolution. Combining these two together can result in it all easily falling apart. Aside from that, the shooting of guns with rubber shots seems very hard to believe. To shoot a human that far away is already very hard. Then to shoot a moving GUN that far is even more hard and all so reliably. Also rubber bullets are not very good at long range. Also hilarious how using this same exact plan but without the snipers and witch stuff... They still could of won. Simply due to the conveniently placed mining area that was never mentioned before until it was needed. But of course giving credit to the witch does help morale and allow them to use her as a long term threat. But the problem is how convenient that was. BTW, the Germanian plan is pretty bad too. Moving up along a mountain pass is a simple kill zone, though I guess there isn't much you can do to get pass the alps. But trying to use numbers to overwhelm combined with such narrow passage way is asking for crazy amount of casualties. Anyway, Germania can attempt to do a broad offensive along the entire front with multiple small focus points. As Izetta can't be everywhere, one area will be broken through and there is nothing they can really do about it. can't be too reliant on a single supernatural entity. The next problem is with the series way of causing conflict... The young soldier overheard top secret conversation. For one, why would they discuss something so important out in the open(even if far away from camp) Logic and reasoning along with proper procedure would dictate such discussions would be held in a well guarded and secured area. Unless an emergency which it isn't, such things would be kept secret. That was so stupid and unbelievable... it ruined the episode for me. Seriously, they could of waited to go back to talk and complain. Seems way too forced. This so much. This episode made it very clear it's only an average show. Too much things that are just to hard to rub off with "suspension of disbelief". I can agree that a witch exists in this story, I can believe the Hitler copy for some reason wants to dress up as emperor, I get that the setting but it's still earth, they are still human and they are still militairy. Aynhow, I wonder how that soldier will handle this info dump. He is a devote believer of Izette, so will he blabber about how he was deceived? Given we are already at the halfway mark I'm expecting some even that will cause Izetta to be captured or at least get lost and then we get the climax either against that officer or the emperor himself. |
TheUniqueReaperNov 3, 2016 1:15 AM
| I had really high hopes for this series but I will admit, I'm bored. And when I'm bored I become disinterested. I love how Izetta fights, I love the backdrops - the animation is lacking though, since the start. The Pilot looked nice but now it looks very ragtag. Hate to drop it but we're 5 ep in and I'm dreadfully bored. |
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reaper_unique said: zcv45 said: Their plan is flawed so badly. First problem to their plan is the fighting style. For the past 3 battles she used magic to launch projectiles like ice shards or swords. However this time she caused a land slide. Inconsistent attacks like that is very glaring. Second, by showing up and ordering them to surrender tells the enemy that she don't or can't use her powers so she prefer a peaceful resolution. Combining these two together can result in it all easily falling apart. Aside from that, the shooting of guns with rubber shots seems very hard to believe. To shoot a human that far away is already very hard. Then to shoot a moving GUN that far is even more hard and all so reliably. Also rubber bullets are not very good at long range. Also hilarious how using this same exact plan but without the snipers and witch stuff... They still could of won. Simply due to the conveniently placed mining area that was never mentioned before until it was needed. But of course giving credit to the witch does help morale and allow them to use her as a long term threat. But the problem is how convenient that was. BTW, the Germanian plan is pretty bad too. Moving up along a mountain pass is a simple kill zone, though I guess there isn't much you can do to get pass the alps. But trying to use numbers to overwhelm combined with such narrow passage way is asking for crazy amount of casualties. Anyway, Germania can attempt to do a broad offensive along the entire front with multiple small focus points. As Izetta can't be everywhere, one area will be broken through and there is nothing they can really do about it. can't be too reliant on a single supernatural entity. The next problem is with the series way of causing conflict... The young soldier overheard top secret conversation. For one, why would they discuss something so important out in the open(even if far away from camp) Logic and reasoning along with proper procedure would dictate such discussions would be held in a well guarded and secured area. Unless an emergency which it isn't, such things would be kept secret. That was so stupid and unbelievable... it ruined the episode for me. Seriously, they could of waited to go back to talk and complain. Seems way too forced. This so much. This episode made it very clear it's only an average show. Too much things that are just to hard to rub off with "suspension of disbelief". I can agree that a witch exists in this story, I can believe the Hitler copy for some reason wants to dress up as emperor, I get that the setting but it's still earth, they are still human and they are still militairy. Aynhow, I wonder how that soldier will handle this info dump. He is a devote believer of Izette, so will he blabber about how he was deceived? Given we are already at the halfway mark I'm expecting some even that will cause Izetta to be captured or at least get lost and then we get the climax either against that officer or the emperor himself. Not trying to seem like I hate this anime. I enjoy it. The first part is just my own analysis on what is going on and if anything is going wrong or could go wrong. Though the anime will msot likely not take any of these routes. The rubber rounds, I'll let that pass. Just kind of pointing out some of thsoe thigns I noticed, didn't really bother me that much. The ending did though. Only the last paragraph is true critizism |
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| So if Germany wants to make an ezpz route to Italy through Elystadt, why isn't Italy just flanking Elystadt? Wouldn't choking them from both sides make it faster to get what they want? Unless I'm missing/forgetting something? Either way, series is still really entertaining. I just hope it doesn't get filled with generic cliches. |
| Of course they just happened to be discussing important battle plans and state secrets in the middle of nowhere and next to a river where it's wide and open. Of course the boy in glasses saw them, I was wondering why and how the introduction of his character was essential to the stroy, but it seems we found that out this episode. Things could go either way with him, since Izetta saved him, he began to really believe in the legend of the white witch and he sees Izetta as the hope of the country but more importantly his hope to keep on fighting, so after hearing the truth he will probably be in disbelief and loose hope or he will start to question everything (out loud) and probably rely on/talk to the spy on what to do with the secret he just heard. Hopefully maybe for some reason he gets to meet Izetta himself before he meets the spy on his way back to camp. On a different note, I almost stopped watching this show because I was kinda disappointed by it, though I loved the first episode. I think maybe the word disappointed is a bit harsh, I was more let down by it. Out of this season's line up I was looking forward this the most and had a great expectation of what it could have been or should be more than I had ever had in the past (which even led me to create an account here to address it lol, the last time I felt this way about an anime was when SAO came out since I read the LNs I was a bit dissatisfied/disappointed by the anime). Anyway I love WW 2 and anything close to shoujo ai and it seemed like this had both(well now one more than the other, but I'm still hoping). The most "disappointing" aspect to me was the personalities of the 2 main characters. It's funny, I had imagined Izetta to be more like Fine in terms of personality her being an individual, strong, fearless and a leader since she's a powerful witch and the fighter, the closest she came to being that was when she was acting during the surrender speech she gave the enemy. I also expected Fine's personality to be similar or at least a bit like Izetta's. Since she was the princess she would have been born sheltered and protected and the out break of war would had been a bit difficult for her to handle but will still maintain her kindness and wisdom to lead and serve as an ambassador and when she's captured and saved by Izetta, Izetta would continue to protect her with or without her power and they will learn to rely on each other once Fine becomes the ruler. Later, Fine gets stronger and Izetta will have something to fight for. I only saw/ interpretated this because of the slight shoujo ai/yuri feel we all got when the show was announced with the small synopsis, since Izetta was/wanted to protect Fine, I had reversed their roles in mind. Anyway other than that I love the setting, some of the plot, the art and the ST. |
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| Izetta's putting on a show for the press. I hate seeing her exploited but the enemy wants her too. I can only imagine what they'd do to her once they get their hands on her gorgeous, dynamite body D: She has one less bespectacled otaku fan. :( |
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| There's just something about this show that stops me from being too interested. I'm still willing to watch this show up to its fruition, but all in all, I'm not very impressed. However, I'm still struggling as to why I'm not so hooked. Well, I find both Izetta and Fine very watchable characters. Even if they're both somewhat cliche and cookie-cutter, I still find both Izetta's enthusiasm and Fine's determination enjoyable, and I adore watching their characters and their relationship (whether platonic or romantic) grow and develop. However, I can't really say the same with everything else going on in the show. I feel like the politics going on between nations is not built upon enough to become noteworthy. Actually, scratch that. There's barely any international politics going on. All we see are the politics between Fine and her country and the small discussions between the Germanian officials. I guess I was just rather disappointed by this. Maybe I was looking forward to complicated political dealings and relationships between Germania, Eylstadt, and the other involved nations. Honestly, other than the potential for political chaos and further development towards Izetta and Fine's characters, there's not much else this show has, and I guess that's why I'm not interested. There's simply not much happening yet. The Germanians don't seem to be doing anything yet. Eylstadt is still just fighting. None of the other countries are shown to be doing anything. There are no other characters that are significant enough to do anything. I'm obviously speaking a bit too early, and I'm probably going to eat my words soon. The Germanians look like they have plans, and they're beginning to start up some sort of spy thing. The glasses kid looks like he's going to be important later on. Fine's assistant looks to be kinda evil. And Fine is still not done doing stuff. The thing is though, why is it taking so long for the show to start up? Shows usually start up once episode three arrives (That's why we have the three-episode rule), but we're already halfway through the show and there's still nothing too interesting going on. I don't know. Maybe I'm just impatient. I just don't really like it when shows take a while to get to the good stuff. Eh. 5/10 so far. Most likely will improve, but right now, nothing's happening. |
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| Next episode looks like another filler. Also is that Touyama Nao narrating in the end? |
| No seriously. |
| Making maps of her weakness will be her undoing...and also talking about her secret out in the open. Idiots all around. |
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| I'm loving the show so far but some characters are really dumb. *stares the two guys talking about the truth behind the plan in the middle of the forest AND near the camp* Bianca is a great character. I hope she'll get more screen time next episodes. |
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| the OST... it's so awesome... Izetta is good at acting too... nice... that shady glasses guy is smart too... hope he doesn't get Izetta's secret... oh god, why that 2 guy talking about the truth near the river... now Jonas knew the secret and the spy as well... maybe... |
michaelh19Nov 8, 2016 5:03 AM
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| This episode was really good untill they decided to use a shitty cliche plot device. |
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| Wow Sieg became my favorite character XD I kinda expected him to kill Jonas but the dialogue was just to epic! Also, the germanian fighter pilot made me rofl. Goes by the horten 229 and is like "huh?" sees a superprop and is like " WOAH CAN I HAVE IT ITS ADORABLE!" |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| They're really turning Izetta into their show piece. Waiting for Jonas X Izetta pairing.. |
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| Izetta is just proving herself to be more and more capable as the eps go on. But seriously wtf at the end, why would you yell out in the open so casually about Izetta's secret!?? You'd think that they'd at least whisper about it. I know this'll go now.. |
| I'm still dubious as to rather revealing Izetta to the world was the best thing to do, especially now that the enemy knows they're going against a witch and are trying to find her weakness. We saw in one scene the troops are all like "Don't worry Izetta's coming we'll all be safe", which is a dangerous mindset and perhaps foreshadowing to future events. She's not always going to be able to pull off that elaborate setup - what if the enemy attacks again and again in spots Izetta can't use her power? |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Lets discuss the entire plan in great detail.... how stupid of a plot device |
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| Chyuu subs fuckin' LATE!!! The OST of this show always reminds me the OST used in the PS1 game Jersey Devil. (from 13:00 to 14:20) It was a Set-up by Sieghard Müller since Izetta really can't use her powers but that display can still convince the enemy. As many have said, discussing top secret military information out in the forest is dumb. 4/5. |
matias067Nov 23, 2016 8:39 PM
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| Great, the dumb kid is gonna blab... causing the war to escalate. Nice way to fake it though. Also, that's some crazy-accurate sniping. I don't think I would have gone with the "fear the witch" strategy. I'd have just let the regular army win to prove they don't only rely on the witch to win. A powerful army + witch is a lot better deterrent than just a witch. |
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| comical plot: Are they discuss the plan outdoors where someone can hear it? Yes, yes is a comical, except this last sequence, the rest is nice ;) |
| Finé is so smart, that was a great plan! Oh, the young soldier will tell the secret to the spy, for sure... |
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| Okay I'm sorry, I'm for the most part really enjoying this anime, but what the actual fuck at that ending?!?! I feel like these military officers (especially the dude with the ponytail, who figured out Izetta could only use her magic under certain circumstances and seems pretty important) would have a brain and not discuss something like that in the middle of the wilderness at a volume where someone several metres away can pick up on what they're saying. I mean what the fuck was that? Also, their plan to fool the Germanian army held SO many risks. It just seemed a tad too convenient, but it's whatever. I still liked most of the episode and found it entertaining, but the second half I thought was questionable at best. |
TrinkieDec 11, 2016 8:06 PM
| Very creative, the way they set up her landslide act! |
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