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Jun 5, 2016 8:36 AM
#201
Thug_Gou said: To the people who keep on saying that this shit is overloaded with melodrama... maybe it is, just a little. But if you've experienced a similar scenario or pain or wtv such as this, it's pretty damn realistic lol ;__; Not exactly the lines but the inner conflicts and the thoughts that they're having due to their unrequited love(s) is more or less what happens in real life. and yes real life has some dramas too... -.- Very true. Some melodrama can be bad if it's not well written, but this has been building up for a while now, so it was inevitable really. Real life has these problems too. That's why I like this show, since it's not afraid to put the characters in very awkward and painful scenarios that some viewers can relate to, even though it can be hard to take in all at once sometimes. Poor Chidori. She had to go throw more pain after seeing Katsuhira hug Sonozaki like that. Tenga only went to make things worse by letting his anger get the better of him. Despite Nico running of and the others urged him to go after her, he decided to throttle Katsuhira multiple times in the face after he caught up of Chidori and caused her more emotional pain. This episode was good, but man, there was a lot of drama throughout the entire episode... |
Jun 5, 2016 9:21 AM
#202
Meta_Yoshi said: Thug_Gou said: To the people who keep on saying that this shit is overloaded with melodrama... maybe it is, just a little. But if you've experienced a similar scenario or pain or wtv such as this, it's pretty damn realistic lol ;__; Not exactly the lines but the inner conflicts and the thoughts that they're having due to their unrequited love(s) is more or less what happens in real life. and yes real life has some dramas too... -.- Very true. Some melodrama can be bad if it's not well written, but this has been building up for a while now, so it was inevitable really. Real life has these problems too. That's why I like this show, since it's not afraid to put the characters in very awkward and painful scenarios that some viewers can relate to, even though it can be hard to take in all at once sometimes. Poor Chidori. She had to go throw more pain after seeing Katsuhira hug Sonozaki like that. Tenga only went to make things worse by letting his anger get the better of him. Despite Nico running of and the others urged him to go after her, he decided to throttle Katsuhira multiple times in the face after he caught up of Chidori and caused her more emotional pain. This episode was good, but man, there was a lot of drama throughout the entire episode... They weren't really holding back on the drama and I actually liked it! Oh the bittersweet paiiiiin! </3 Yeah I really felt more sorry for Chidori more than any other people on this show(even if Nico is my fave). She liked /loved Kacchon more than anyone and far longer than anyone, then Kacchon's ex Sonozaki suddenly pops out of nowhere, and for Chidori, is someone getting in the way of her and Kacchon </3 (I'm actually on Team Red though TengaxChidori lol) As for Nico, well it's just a crush lol and yes it's still painful but not as painful compared to Chidori's so I really can't blame Chidori for being selfish and wanting love from Kacchon. Also for people who are hating on Chidori because of her reaction from Kacchon's hug--- I think that was an appropriate reaction. She wanted a genuine love and a genuine hug from him, but of course he only hugged her because she told him to. It was cruel. He only forced himself to do it because he only felt SORRY for her and not actually love her, which is much worse. Again you can't blame her for feeling that way because she LOVES Kacchon. It's actually parallel to that ep where everyone was supposed to "save" Maki just because it was only a mission. They had to or were sort of forced to do it, not really genuinely wanting to save her then, which was why Maki felt betrayed or something... yeah... That was long hahahaha |
Jun 5, 2016 9:31 AM
#203
Jun 5, 2016 9:33 AM
#204
Oh yeah, she loves him so much that she didn't bother to actually understand him, despite knowing him for so long. She, more than anyone, should know better. She's selfish and cruel. |
Jun 5, 2016 9:41 AM
#205
LuZeke said: Oh yeah, she loves him so much that she didn't bother to actually understand him, despite knowing him for so long. She, more than anyone, should know better. She's selfish and cruel. I'm not denying that as her fault but then again even Kacchon doesn't know his past well. So even if she tried to ask, it would all be moot. Also, since Kacchon presumably doesn't "feel" things now, he wouldn't be aware of his own feelings for anyone. So both of them won't actually be able to understand him in a sense. ---(add-on)--The problem with Chidori is that she can't be honest with herself and ask Kacchon about what he feels for her BUT, but but but, she's also a freaking Tsundere, you can't expect Tsunderes to ask the person they like about what they feel lmao That would go against that character trope-- I believe that when a person love/likes someone, the green eyed monster always comes out no matter what you do even if you act on it or not. You want to have that person for yourself. *cue "Jealous" - Nick Jonas* |
Thug_GouJun 5, 2016 10:20 AM
Jun 5, 2016 9:42 AM
#206
Thug_Gou said: Also for people who are hating on Chidori because of her reaction from Kacchon's hug--- I think that was an appropriate reaction. She wanted a genuine love and a genuine hug from him, but of course he only hugged her because she told him to. It was cruel. He only forced himself to do it because he only felt SORRY for her and not actually love her, which is much worse. Again you can't blame her for feeling that way because she LOVES Kacchon. It's actually parallel to that ep where everyone was supposed to "save" Maki just because it was only a mission. They had to or were sort of forced to do it, not really genuinely wanting to save her then, which was why Maki felt betrayed or something... In this particular scene I don't think anyone was at fault. Katsuhiro was only following the "instructions" he was given by Chidori and Tenga. Both Chidori and Tenga are surely true to their feelings, but both fail to think about other people's feelings. The really unsettling part is how Tenga is actually hurting Chidori with his actions in this episode. His plan to make Chidori happy is backfiring on all three of them. I have kind of disliked Chidori for the whole series, and I'm glad this episode revealed and amplified their shortcomings. But of course, even though I dislike how Tenga and Chidori acted in this episode, the character portrayal is still very natural and beliavable. They are not very experienced in "connecting" with other people. This is why like Nico though; she is the most mature person in the group despite her surface level personality. I liked the line she said to the dead girl's parents and what she said to Chidori this ep.. Thank you Nico. Katsuhiro can't relate to other people but at least he acknowledges this: he is also likable to me for that reason. He is also always sincere, especially when we saw that conversation he had with Sonozaki. If people like Chidori only took a hard look at themselves and would brace for impact, then they could connect with Katsuhiro too. however Chidori is too afraid to do this, and Tenga is just being defiant of the real situation. |
Jun 5, 2016 9:54 AM
#207
Tiemuuu said: Thug_Gou said: Also for people who are hating on Chidori because of her reaction from Kacchon's hug--- I think that was an appropriate reaction. She wanted a genuine love and a genuine hug from him, but of course he only hugged her because she told him to. It was cruel. He only forced himself to do it because he only felt SORRY for her and not actually love her, which is much worse. Again you can't blame her for feeling that way because she LOVES Kacchon. It's actually parallel to that ep where everyone was supposed to "save" Maki just because it was only a mission. They had to or were sort of forced to do it, not really genuinely wanting to save her then, which was why Maki felt betrayed or something... In this particular scene I don't think anyone was at fault. Katsuhiro was only following the "instructions" he was given by Chidori and Tenga. Both Chidori and Tenga are surely true to their feelings, but both fail to think about other people's feelings. The really unsettling part is how Tenga is actually hurting Chidori with his actions in this episode. His plan to make Chidori happy is backfiring on all three of them. I'm not saying it was entirely Kacchon's fault because either way, even if he did hug her or not, Chidori would still be hurt becuase of her unrequited love. But what was his fault for that action is the he was just actually doing something out of pity, it is more cruel than doing nothing at all.(I'm talking this in a love sense, not helping people in need sense lol) It's like you're leading someone on but ofc in the end you won't actually like him/her, and that's more painful than being straight up rejected. Well what Tenga did was admirable at first, doing what he can to make her happy, but when he started beating up Kacchon, that made me dissapointed in him too. :( |
Jun 5, 2016 9:55 AM
#208
So what was the point of the last 8 episodes? "Kizuna was made for peace" Wut, there better be a convincing explanation for that shit I do like the anime though, hopefully there is some actual reasoning to all this |
Jun 5, 2016 10:11 AM
#209
holy that was on hell of an episode poor nico ;-; |
Jun 5, 2016 10:44 AM
#210
MELODRAMA E L O D R A M A Z4k said: Okay then, mister, let's check the synopsis and the genre:The comments in this thread are hilarious. Especially the ones complaining about the "forced drama" because it's like none of them ever read the synopsis or checked the genre of the series. Katsuhira Agata is a quiet and reserved teenage boy whose sense of pain has all but vanished. His friend, Chidori Takashiro, can only faintly remember the days before Katsuhira had undergone this profound change. Now, his muffled and complacent demeanor make Katsuhira a constant target for bullies, who exploit him for egregious sums of money. But their fists only just manage to make him blink, as even emotions are far from his grasp. However, one day Katsuhira, Chidori, and four other teenagers are abducted and forced to join the Kizuna System as official "Kiznaivers." Those taking part are connected through pain: if one member is injured, the others will feel an equal amount of agony. These individuals must become the lab rats and scapegoats of an incomplete system designed with world peace in mind. With their fates literally intertwined, the Kiznaivers must expose their true selves to each other, or risk failing much more than just the Kizuna System. Drama, Sci-Fi Nowhere did I see anything about this show being a "sappy melodrama", so what's your point? There are multiple shows that are about finding one's true self, facing challenges etc that are NOT all about sappy melodrama |
Comic_SansJun 5, 2016 10:49 AM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Jun 5, 2016 10:53 AM
#211
Hopefully Tenga has the decency to stop freeloading off of Katsuhira now, at least. Even if Katsuhira probably wouldn't mind either way, even though Tenga assaulted him. We'll see. |
Jun 5, 2016 10:56 AM
#212
SimplyKairi said: Thaw1945 said: SimplyKairi said: I can't be the only one who felt the pain Oh I felt pain alright. Mainly because literally nothing happens in this anime besides more and more melodrama. Luckily this anime season is almost over. Sooo why are you still watching then? No idea! Usually I drop anime that I really don't like. Maybe there's something about Kiznaiver that I do like. |
Jun 5, 2016 11:03 AM
#213
Comic_Sans said: MELODRAMA E L O D R A M A Z4k said: Okay then, mister, let's check the synopsis and the genre:The comments in this thread are hilarious. Especially the ones complaining about the "forced drama" because it's like none of them ever read the synopsis or checked the genre of the series. Katsuhira Agata is a quiet and reserved teenage boy whose sense of pain has all but vanished. His friend, Chidori Takashiro, can only faintly remember the days before Katsuhira had undergone this profound change. Now, his muffled and complacent demeanor make Katsuhira a constant target for bullies, who exploit him for egregious sums of money. But their fists only just manage to make him blink, as even emotions are far from his grasp. However, one day Katsuhira, Chidori, and four other teenagers are abducted and forced to join the Kizuna System as official "Kiznaivers." Those taking part are connected through pain: if one member is injured, the others will feel an equal amount of agony. These individuals must become the lab rats and scapegoats of an incomplete system designed with world peace in mind. With their fates literally intertwined, the Kiznaivers must expose their true selves to each other, or risk failing much more than just the Kizuna System. Drama, Sci-Fi Nowhere did I see anything about this show being a "sappy melodrama", so what's your point? There are multiple shows that are about finding one's true self, facing challenges etc that are NOT all about sappy melodramaGet your eyes checked. I never said anything about the melodrama. |
Jun 5, 2016 11:09 AM
#215
Z4k said: I've already done that so there's no need toGet your eyes checked. I never said anything about the melodrama. Z4k said: All forced drama is melodrama but not all melodrama is forced dramaforced drama lunar1412 said: I think a better question would be "Is there anybody who DOESN'T want Chidori to die"Am I the only who wants Chidori to die? |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Jun 5, 2016 11:12 AM
#216
Comic_Sans said: MELODRAMA E L O D R A M A Drama, Sci-Fi Nowhere did I see anything about this show being a "sappy melodrama", so what's your point?keyword, " Drama" it being a "melodrama" is really just your opinion, not a fact There are multiple shows that are about finding one's true self, facing challenges etc that are NOT all about sappy melodrama alright, if there are multiple shows that are about finding one's true self etc, that are not 'sappy melodramas', what's wrong with one that is? |
Curry-Kun said: I notice the current trend that if you don't like a same-gender relationship regardless of what the reason might be, people would demonize you as if you're Hitler reincarnation or something. |
Jun 5, 2016 11:24 AM
#217
Comic_Sans said: I think a better question would be "Is there anybody who DOESN'T want Chidori to die" I don't want her to die I'd rather let Ms. kuudere continue her jumping off the building in her childhood so that none of this BS would've happened |
Jun 5, 2016 11:27 AM
#218
Are you implying that drama = automatically bad? Sorry, but that's simply wrong it being a "melodrama" is really just your opinion, not a fact So is Z4k's and your statement ("It's not forced drama/sappy melodrama and you are wrong"). This is of complete irrelevancy and changes absolutely nothing of what I saidalright, if there are multiple shows that are about finding one's true self etc, that are not 'sappy melodramas', what's wrong with one that is? Those shows focus more on developing the characters properly than just throwing in sad music, exaggerated close-ups etcThug_Gou said: Good for youComic_Sans said: I think a better question would be "Is there anybody who DOESN'T want Chidori to die" I don't want her to die I'd rather let Ms. kuudere continue her jumping off the building in her childhood so that none of this BS would've happened |
TyrelJun 5, 2016 2:32 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Jun 5, 2016 11:39 AM
#219
This was such a good episode. Every minute showed their emotions and the progress this anime's made is unbelivable. Seriously, I felt so connected to the characters and all of their pain was shown in a wonderful way. I mean, it was moving and understandable. And now when their bond was broken totally, I want to see if they will get over that because they're obliged to be connected to these people after all of this. |
Jun 5, 2016 11:50 AM
#220
Oh boy Poor chidori 😭😭😭😭 that was so sad |
Jun 5, 2016 11:56 AM
#221
The second half was so damn amazing <3 The direction was brilliant. Both visually and the sound. Don't like to use the word ''deep'' but this is really how I describe this anime, it's just has such a good emotional depth and ingenuity. The drama just works. Is this really done by trigger? Makes all the build up worth it, with a great atmosphere . The series has just the right amount of drama and comedy. It switches the tone very well, many anime don't pull this off well. Can't wait to see the aftermath in the following episodes. I hope the director of this work on another project soon. 5/5 Not sure how the relationship between Tenga, Nico and Chidori will be resolved. I really like them, so I hope the ending isn't painful. |
Jun 5, 2016 12:35 PM
#222
Test-Run said: But the thing that bugs me the most is that nobody of these 'friends' bothered to ask why Katsuhira can't feel pain (or has white hair for that matter). Or that they find out he was in the kizna experiment, yet nobody liked it to him not feeling pain, realizing everything they have been through he had been through before. Guess they always were selfish people. only caring about themselves, not even minding that you rip open other peoples trauma's in the process. I can understand it if you don't feel pain after all it has no value so you don't even know what you do to them. Not to mention there is that gap emotionally so you'd want to cross it and be "normal". I agree, although not so much the hair :P just the part where they were selfish. I mean I understand if the emotional pain you feel currently is so much that you can't think about other people, but if you really loved someone, wouldn't you care about what he/she went through? If I was Chidori and I really liked Katsuhira, after knowing that Katsuhira (and Sonozaki) had gone through the Kizna experiment a long time ago, I would've worried about him first. I would ask him, do you remember what happened? Were you in pain? You were just a child, how could they do that to you? Instead Chidori only cares about her own feelings and making a giant mess (in which Tenga and Nico added fuel to the fire). Sure, I'm not Chidori, Chidori is not me, but I feel like true love is usually worrying about someone else first and not yourself. Anyways, the whole part at the end was just so heavy-handed. skitzo said: this Kizna system is definitely a failure, what your heart says does not mean your true intentions a lot of times, there is conflict between rational thinking and emotional reasoning a lot of times Yeah that was the most interesting thing that came out from this episode. At first the Kizna system seemed like a good idea, but it would only ideally work if each person wasn't so complicated (or er, more like, a few of them). People have self conflict and that makes things all the more complicated with this system. Not even that, but the system isn't good because you can only feel the current pain, and I think it's more important to know about someone's past pain since that's what shaped a person throughout their lives. |
Jun 5, 2016 1:55 PM
#224
Tenga is a moron, Chidori is a bitch and Nico is just the best, which in turn destroyed my heart this episode. Guess Yuta, Maki and Super M dude will have to solve the love pentagram. |
Jun 5, 2016 2:01 PM
#225
MY KOKORO... ITAI ;_; ITAI ITAI ITAI This is terrible but thankfully not as bad as BRS TV |
Jun 5, 2016 2:15 PM
#226
Ryuugamono said: Did I suddenly become a Kiznaiver? Cause I'm sure I felt a pain in the heart while watching this. This, right here. |
Jun 5, 2016 2:22 PM
#227
This episode is pretty much what I imagine would happen if a bunch of teenagers could read each other's minds; tons of drama everywhere. I really wonder how they will think of each other now that their feelings have been revealed. |
KefkirothJun 19, 2016 11:49 PM
Jun 5, 2016 2:35 PM
#228
Last episode of Luluco was about Luluco's broken heart. This episode of Kiznaiver was about everyone's broken hearts. Luluco's episode was called "It's All Over". This episode was called "It's All Over......I Think". Trigger, what do you try to tell me ?? |
Jun 5, 2016 5:30 PM
#230
Not sure how some can hate this anime but I am loving this episode. Things finally get serious. Guess some were expecting something else other than romance xO |
Jun 5, 2016 7:07 PM
#231
This episode was amazing, very well managed this situation .. The team in charge of the experiment is very ruthless , there are things that should not be said and to be physically and emotionally connected too and now hear what you do not mean ... It's and this case too revealing things endangered others ... |
Jun 5, 2016 7:44 PM
#232
lunar1412 said: Am I the only who wants Chidori to die? I wouldn't go that far, but I really don't want her to end up with Katsuhira, she does not deserve him. |
Jun 5, 2016 7:48 PM
#233
It wasn't his fault at all imo. He at least tried to be considerate enough to hug her. He just doesn't love her, nothing he can do about it and that's not really his fault. But at least he tried to make her feel better. Even if it didn't end up making her happier, it is the thought that counts. (Even when Tenga sent Katsuhira to chase after Chidori, it didn't end up making her happier but it was the thought on Tenga's part that counted, same is the case here). |
Jun 5, 2016 8:14 PM
#234
James278 said: It wasn't his fault at all imo. He at least tried to be considerate enough to hug her. He just doesn't love her, nothing he can do about it and that's not really his fault. But at least he tried to make her feel better. Even if it didn't end up making her happier, it is the thought that counts. (Even when Tenga sent Katsuhira to chase after Chidori, it didn't end up making her happier but it was the thought on Tenga's part that counted, same is the case here). I already answered this in the previous post Thug_Gou said: But what was his fault for that action is the he was just actually doing something out of pity, it is more cruel than doing nothing at all.(I'm talking this in a love sense, not helping people in need sense lol) It's like you're leading someone on but ofc in the end you won't actually like him/her, and that's more painful than being straight up rejected. But ok, let's say it wasn't his fault, BUT, but but but, what he did was still CRUEL. Think about it this way, do you really want a guy/girl to lead you on for a long time and waste your time or do you want him/her to flat out reject you and not waste your time? It's pretty much the same thing. He might as well just said "I'm sorry I can't", yes it would still hurt her either way but it wouldn't be cruel for Chidori because he didn't give her a FAKE hug out of PITY. Also this: /r/anime said: Women ---(add-on)-- Here's another explanation from reddit The difference with what Tenga did is that Chidori didn't want him/tell him to do that. There was also no conflict in Chidori's emotions for Tenga, so whatever he does, hug her or wtv, it won't be "cruel" because for one, Tenga is doing it genuinely and two, she doesn't have feelings for Tenga. |
Thug_GouJun 5, 2016 8:31 PM
Jun 5, 2016 8:41 PM
#235
Thug_Gou said: I wasn't really saying it wasn't a cruel thing or Chidori was wrong to think so. I am just saying that it wasn't Katsuhira's fault even if it was cruel because he tried his level best to make her happy (to the extent of his understanding of emotions), just as Tenga did...... |
Jun 5, 2016 9:00 PM
#236
James278 said: Thug_Gou said: I wasn't really saying it wasn't a cruel thing or Chidori was wrong to think so. I am just saying that it wasn't Katsuhira's fault even if it was cruel because he tried his level best to make her happy (to the extent of his understanding of emotions), just as Tenga did...... Him doing "his best" was the fault. It did MORE damage than actually letting Chidori get over him faster. ---also, remember when Maki ran away on that "rescue" ep and Yuta stoppd Chidori from doing so because he wanted for Maki to be alone and sort her feelings out... that's a good example of what Kacchon should've done--- Yuta is best boiii |
Thug_GouJun 5, 2016 9:04 PM
Jun 5, 2016 9:25 PM
#237
Vinyet said: Don't know what to think about this episode at all... I guess it was good because things started getting serious and they showed the consequences of showing emotions/thoughts with your friends, especially when love is involved. However, it felt like too much forced drama: how in the world is the pain of losing a friend enough to leave you on the floor under the rain for a whole night? Why was Honoka so affected by it when she's so cold? Why wasn't Yoshiharu orgasming? U should listen a bit more what the characters say in the anime! :S "Why was Honoka so affected by it when she's so cold?" - She wasn't cold at all! She was on a BIG depresion because of her past, she is reaaaally sensitive, she WAS cold cause she was on a deep depresion, u should know that already, an entire episode (or two? don't know) of the anime were just about Honoka's past. On this episode 9, she was affected cause she tried to get along with them to end his pain, and when she saw all that was happening there under the rain, she realized that it is impossible for them to ge along, and that his "curse" won't end. "Why wasn't Yoshiharu orgasming?" - He said more than once that the only pain he likes is the physical damage, he doesn't enjoy pain through feelings! As for "how in the world is the pain of losing a friend enough to leave you on the floor under the rain for a whole night?" there are 2 point u should count: They weren't on the floor an entire night cause the pain of losing a freind, they all were sharing the pain of Katsuhira's past, Chidori's love, Niko's Love, Tenga's love and Honoka's past/love. I even think they were suffering pain from the others too, especially Yuta, who seems to love Honoka, and wouldn't like her to be hurt like she were, but that just an assumption of course. And the second point, is just an opinion of mine, not something that u missed: I think losing a friend can be really painful, and more than that, Katsuhira seems to have lost more than just a friend, he lost his past, lots of friends, etc. He even lost his capacity to feel pain, that has to be for some really big shit for sure xD Hope it helped for you to undertand better the anime! It seems u missed some things, pay attention or u won't enjoy it the same! :) |
Jun 5, 2016 9:28 PM
#238
Ryuugamono said: Did I suddenly become a Kiznaiver? Cause I'm sure I felt a pain in the heart while watching this. Lol, that reminds me of Inception where the point of the ending is that a movie is a dream |
Jun 6, 2016 12:02 AM
#239
Smudy said: Guys, of course it's forced drama, it's the fucking Kizna experiment and that green haired guy just took it to another level by not stopping it. That was probably the best episode of the season. If this goes on like this for the last three episodes, i can consider a 9. Oh my god thank goodness you've explained that. Everyone else who didn't understand why it felt like "forced drama" didn't seem to understand THEY'VE EXPLICITLY STATED IT'S FORCED DRAMA, FROM THE BEGINNING. Christ. I've read some of these comments and I fucking cringe reading the phrase "melodrama." Kids. In reality, you have to tell people that shit; a lot. Especially to your SO, and closest friends. And yet trigger manages to pull off making you feel it from 7 people. That is, if you understand human emotions(?) and were able to connect with the characters (that depends on how much you liked them.) It was like a blood bath of peoples' closest most inner thoughts. It was the goddamn punch line this show needed, and it god damned delivered spectacularly. |
KeltrickJun 6, 2016 12:15 AM
Jun 6, 2016 12:11 AM
#240
Thug_Gou said: James278 said: Thug_Gou said: ..... Him doing "his best" was the fault. It did MORE damage than actually letting Chidori get over him faster. ---also, remember when Maki ran away on that "rescue" ep and Yuta stoppd Chidori from doing so because he wanted for Maki to be alone and sort her feelings out... that's a good example of what Kacchon should've done--- Yuta is best boiii That is what Katsuhira would have done, except that Tenga forced him to go after her. There's no way you can spin this to make it seem like the damage caused was Katsuhira's fault. It was part Chidori, part Tenga. mostly Tenga. |
Jun 6, 2016 12:37 AM
#241
Tiemuuu said: Thug_Gou said: James278 said: Thug_Gou said: I wasn't really saying it wasn't a cruel thing or Chidori was wrong to think so. I am just saying that it wasn't Katsuhira's fault even if it was cruel because he tried his level best to make her happy (to the extent of his understanding of emotions), just as Tenga did...... Him doing "his best" was the fault. It did MORE damage than actually letting Chidori get over him faster. ---also, remember when Maki ran away on that "rescue" ep and Yuta stoppd Chidori from doing so because he wanted for Maki to be alone and sort her feelings out... that's a good example of what Kacchon should've done--- Yuta is best boiii That is what Katsuhira would have done, except that Tenga forced him to go after her. There's no way you can spin this to make it seem like the damage caused was Katsuhira's fault. It was part Chidori, part Tenga. mostly Tenga. That's why I said it wasn't entirely his fault. It was Tenga's fault for forcing him to go after Chidori, it was Chidori's thought's fault for "instructing" Kacchon to hug her, it was Kacchon's fault for giving her a FAKE hug out of pity which added insult to the injury. ~~~~ Keltrick said: Smudy said: Guys, of course it's forced drama, it's the fucking Kizna experiment and that green haired guy just took it to another level by not stopping it. That was probably the best episode of the season. If this goes on like this for the last three episodes, i can consider a 9. Oh my god thank goodness you've explained that. Everyone else who didn't understand why it felt like "forced drama" didn't seem to understand THEY'VE EXPLICITLY STATED IT'S FORCED DRAMA, FROM THE BEGINNING. Christ. I've read some of these comments and I fucking cringe reading the phrase "melodrama." Kids. In reality, you have to tell people that shit; a lot. Especially to your SO, and closest friends. And yet trigger manages to pull off making you feel it from 7 people. That is, if you understand human emotions(?) and were able to connect with the characters (that depends on how much you liked them.) It was like a blood bath of peoples' closest most inner thoughts. It was the goddamn punch line this show needed, and it god damned delivered spectacularly. I totally agree with everything you said 👌🏻👌🏻 |
Thug_GouJun 6, 2016 12:42 AM
Jun 6, 2016 12:41 AM
#242
Tiemuuu said: That is what Katsuhira would have done, except that Tenga forced him to go after her. There's no way you can spin this to make it seem like the damage caused was Katsuhira's fault. It was part Chidori, part Tenga. mostly Tenga. My sentiment exactly. |
Jun 6, 2016 12:50 AM
#243
LuZeke said: Tiemuuu said: That is what Katsuhira would have done, except that Tenga forced him to go after her. There's no way you can spin this to make it seem like the damage caused was Katsuhira's fault. It was part Chidori, part Tenga. mostly Tenga. My sentiment exactly. Thug_Gou said: That's why I said it wasn't entirely his fault. It was Tenga's fault for forcing him to go after Chidori, it was Chidori's thought's fault for "instructing" Kacchon to hug her, it was Kacchon's fault for giving her a FAKE hug out of pity which added insult to the injury. The fault that I am pointing out is the fake hug. ._. If he truly didn't give a shitcracker about Chidori, not even actually initiating to go after her, might as well go all the way and not hug her. She wanted the hug that Nori got and ofc Kacchon can't give that. So might as well NOT give it. |
Jun 6, 2016 12:53 AM
#244
Well I didn't think it was possible but I hate Chidori even more than I did before, can she just die? Happy end for everyone. Dislike Tenga as well now, I was alright with him at first but this episode alone did a total 180 on my opinion for him. |
Jun 6, 2016 1:22 AM
#245
I.... Don't know how I feel about this episode. It was really difficult to watch. The drama was way over done. And watching these poor kids have their inner thoughts forcefully shared like that, for the purpose of an experiment... That's just cruel. But I do want to know what happens now... Where the hell do you go from there? |
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Jun 6, 2016 1:44 AM
#246
Jun 6, 2016 1:51 AM
#247
I know I am kind of late to the party, but I wanted to add my thoughts. I'd argue this was easily the best episode of Kiznaiver so far, because, for my part, I felt like we reached a breakthrough, what with Katsuhira remembering his past and everyone's emotions officially in the open, along with the whole addition of "the voice of the heart", which is probably the farthest the Kizna experiment ever got. I get why some people don't understand how all the drama could've been caused by unrequited crushes, but I think you are forgetting that they are all high school students. For most of them (and by that I mean probably everyone except Honoka) these are the most intense emotions they've ever felt. And if even one emotion is strong enough, it probably triggers (ha) others and everything blows out of proportion, like it had. Honestly, I can't think of a more realistic situation than this, because teenagers do tend to make the biggest deal out of their romances. If you get a bunch of them connected by their emotions, there is bound to be some drama, and I doubt it would have been more plausible if it was made by all of them suddenly losing a family member, or getting called to fight in the war or something equally as ridiculous. I hope we find out more about Katsuhira's past. And about Hisomu, goddammit. I have been waiting for something about him other than his masohistic tendencies to be revealed. |
Jun 6, 2016 1:56 AM
#248
Objurgo said: "Please hold me. Please hold me. Please hold me... How could you hold me you big stupid jerk!" Fuck off Chidori. If you're confused by her reaction, do read everything in here @Amaagari : Yeap we totally need more screen time for Hisomu, he's not getting enough character development. :( I actually wanted him to like Nico so that he can join in that emotional mess lmao |
Jun 6, 2016 2:13 AM
#249
Thug_Gou said: Objurgo said: "Please hold me. Please hold me. Please hold me... How could you hold me you big stupid jerk!" Fuck off Chidori. If you're confused by her reaction, do read everything in here @Amaagari : Yeap we totally need more screen time for Hisomu, he's not getting enough character development. :( I actually wanted him to like Nico so that he can join in that emotional mess lmao That'd be more believable if she didn't immediately call him an asshole. There was no pause for thought there. They could have showed her being surprised for a moment then saying "how could you" wearing a betrayed face. but they skipped right to the end of it. That scene was poorly executed and didn't portray the characters properly. And it made Chidori look like a bitch to be frank. And I don't think the Half assed MC argument can hold, since Katsuhira quite clearly has some feelings for Noriko and only thinks of Chidori as a friend, which is probably why Tenga beat the shit out of him.. I don't know. I feel like thus far this series hasn't had very good writing and direction. I disliked the start but it got pretty interesting part way through. This is definitely one of Triggers weaker series in their catalog. |
Jun 6, 2016 2:20 AM
#250
Yeeaahh... Seriously think they messed up with the presentation this episode. I get what they're trying to go with, like that rain scene, from a general view was actually nice but felt it wasn't handled properly. I barely felt any of the drama. |
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