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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Motorcycle usage is awesome in this series imo, or in the case for this series, those flashy vehicles. Good episode overall, we got quite a bit of action along with the weird tactics. It's also kinda nice to see that kid with the shapeshifting abilities to get some moments of his own too. Fuurouta is an underrated character. Jaguar's involvement in this episode was also kinda refreshing to see. I think when it comes down to it, everything just comes together that has close association with the main premise of heroes trying to do what heroes is responsible for even if it's going up against secret organizations. |
Stark700Dec 6, 2015 7:51 AM
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| Time travel episode this week and I admit that I got a little confused at one point lol xD Got a lot of focus on and backstory for Jaguar whom is from the earth Century and is a member of the time police =o But to makes things even more interesting the side created a fucking assassination group O_O The way those IQ guys operated was intense and brutal as fuck like the way the executed some of the people in this episode was insane lol....Gotta say that the execution of the episode was handled very well and I liked the role that Kikko had in this one I wonder if Jaguar was able to change the future though because the fact that Superhumans are extinct there, I wonder what could have possibly happened to cause it as well as who are these people that Jaguar originally went to the past to stop (Unless IQ eventually became the reason as to why they got extinct) Great episode overall though |
TokoyaDec 6, 2015 7:45 AM
| Okay episode I guess. This was probably the most confusing story out of the series with the whole time travelling part. Sucks to be neither the chicken or the egg :D 3/5 |
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| I don't know what just happened. Adding time travel FUCK MY BRAIN! |
| Damn, that was fantastic. Kikko played a nice role in this episode. Also, Shakko is an interesting character. I'd like to see him again. |
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| Poor Bobby Kennedy, taken out by the IQ. |
| Interesting enough. Having created both the bureau and IQ, this episode did show just how arbitrary justice is, yet it is one of the strongest force to motivate a person. This makes me go back to the immortal family, as Jaguar himself has seen them in the passage of time. There being no superhumans in the future, does it mean that the family only went into hiding. Is the future really that bad, or even without superhumans at all. Justice may as well be the greatest evil that humanity has created, what else can justify the impossible other than justice? Wanting to be superior, to want to be right, who doesn't feel like that in some sort of way or form? A bit confusing, but in a good way. When would the curtain begin to fall, as this feels like it can go on forever. |
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| HOLY FUCKING SHIT. The reveal that humanity is extinct in Jaguar's future is damn chilling. Everyone in his time are an animal given human features and Time Police's job is to preserve that future? By who? The extra-terrestrial corpse possessing things like Chief? So the second and third versions of Jaguar were trying to find a way to preserve superhumans. Overall this has shed so much light on what is going on, like HOLY SHIT. |
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| A good chapter dedicated o Jaguar, tought a bit whovian xD. A chapter without the fight in/out of Jirou, at least |
| I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
Stark700 said: It's also kinda nice to see that kid with the shapeshifting abilities to get some moments of his own too. Fuurouta is an underrated character I second that (eventhough he had a good deal of showcase in the 2nd (his introduction episode), 6th and 9th episodes too) ;) By the way, it seems today's episode went back to Year 43 (the previous one went mainly to Year 44 (with a few other year's flashbacks) |
LAboy456Dec 6, 2015 10:02 AM
| I liked this one. The time paradox thing is pretty hard to understand, but the episode did give insight into Mr. Jaguar, who apparently has 3 versions of himself including the current one. (Though they did miss the opportunity to have all 3 meet each other) |
Fai said: HOLY FUCKING SHIT. The reveal that humanity is extinct in Jaguar's future is damn chilling. Everyone in his time are an animal given human features and Time Police's job is to preserve that future? By who? The extra-terrestrial corpse possessing things like Chief? Wait what? I didn't think that he actually meant all the humanity. I thought that he meant that some of people like him were engineered from animals that's all. Was I wrong? Omg. O.o EDIT: And once again I don't understand why is everyone getting so confused with the ep. I think they presented everything in a pretty clear way. |
| it's so confusing when it comes to time travel. but i understand it. 3 more episode and it's still a random episode. i think next episode will be a random ones too based on the PV. or maybe they will make a second season or something ? what is this show trying to do ? Overall i like this episode. |
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Araneae said: Fai said: HOLY FUCKING SHIT. The reveal that humanity is extinct in Jaguar's future is damn chilling. Everyone in his time are an animal given human features and Time Police's job is to preserve that future? By who? The extra-terrestrial corpse possessing things like Chief? Wait what? I didn't think that he actually meant all the humanity. I thought that he meant that some of people like him were engineered from animals that's all. Was I wrong? Omg. O.o EDIT: And once again I don't understand why is everyone getting so confused with the ep. I think they presented everything in a pretty clear way. He kind of goes "There are no superhumans, we're.." was weird(he obviously was going to say animals, but how them being animals would explain no superhumans?). Connecting the whole "becoming a superhuman was taken away" thing. It either means: - Humanity eradicated all superhumans because they were not able to control them. (which should be very thorough genocide to remove any sort of latent genes that even make it possible) or - Something else eradicated all humans because they were not able to control superhumans. (like the gas things) It can go either way, but it pretty much paints a pretty grim future. |
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| Any episode with more screen time for Emi and Jaguar showing character multidimentionality is good. Well, the explanation about the time-travelling paradox was very straightforward. Many other shows/books/films/etc. spend much time analyzing and explaining it, and there we get "that's how the world is - paradox remains unresolved so deal with it". Could have been worse. But the most important - LOVE AND PEACE! |
Aldael said: Any episode with more screen time for Emi and Jaguar showing character multidimentionality is good. Well, the explanation about the time-travelling paradox was very straightforward. Many other shows/books/films/etc. spend much time analyzing and explaining it, and there we get "that's how the world is - paradox remains unresolved so deal with it". Could have been worse. But the most important - LOVE AND PEACE! Its exactly the same explanation as Steins;Gate Big changes move to parallel worlds theory, small changes follow the linear time theory. To make an example its like removing a tree branch versus chopping down the tree. Small change erases the branches, thus erasing the person. Big enough change actually just means that the person trying to change it did it in a parallel reality where he got killed by his self from another timeline(himself). That way the time is presented as stable, |
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Fai said: Araneae said: Wait what? I didn't think that he actually meant all the humanity. I thought that he meant that some of people like him were engineered from animals that's all. Was I wrong? Omg. O.o EDIT: And once again I don't understand why is everyone getting so confused with the ep. I think they presented everything in a pretty clear way. He kind of goes "There are no superhumans, we're.." was weird(he obviously was going to say animals, but how them being animals would explain no superhumans?). Connecting the whole "becoming a superhuman was taken away" thing. It either means: - Humanity eradicated all superhumans because they were not able to control them. (which should be very thorough genocide to remove any sort of latent genes that even make it possible) or - Something else eradicated all humans because they were not able to control superhumans. (like the gas things) It can go either way, but it pretty much paints a pretty grim future. I don't think that Jaguar used the fact that he is an animal to try to explain lack of superhumans. I think it's the other way round, meaning: "There are no superhuman in the future, so I have to be an animal". And also before that Jaguar asked Kikko if she thinks that human with animal features or animal with human features would be more obedient creature? Obedient to who? So obviously it's not scenerio where animals took over the world and eradicated humanity. Someone clearly created creatures similar to Jaguar and wanted them to be obedient. Also Jaguar says that "potential to become superhuman was taken away from humanity" meaning that humanity still exists (i.e. humans are alive), but are unable to become "superhumans". Also the 1st (Time patrol) Jaguar called himself "Super Jaguar". Therefore my theory is that: We see throughout the show the battle between people that try to control superhumans and people that want superhumans to be free. I think by 25th century humans realised that superhumans can never be properly controlled, as they are still basically humans though different. Therefore they are not obedient (That's where Jaguar was going with his conversation about animals with Kikko). Therefore the superhumans were eradicated and the potential to become "super" was taken from other humans (only God knows how, this was not explained). However the gooverment/military is always greedy and still wants to use superpowers, so instead the super animals are created (for exampl Super Jaguar), because animals are thought to be more obedient (i.e. the "creators" wanted to basically train super animals like dogs). |
| Time travel is the most confusing concept I've ever seen in animes (especially after Natsu no Arashi made it terribly confusing) and this episode has time travel in it. So the episode focuses on Jaguar-san who is part of the Time Patrol group, or will be, or was, whatever... He came to the past to change the future where there are no superhumans. In one of his attempts, he created the Infernal Queen (IQ). The IQ is like Earth-chan as in they have a strict categorization of things into good and bad and will act on what they believe regardless of whether they're right in their judgment or not. Things got a bit out of hand and Jaguar went back to try and change his ways to prevent the IQ from existing. He makes the Superhuman Bureau to manage and protect superhumans. The IQ still formed in the end and nothing changed. Jaguar then plans on killing his IQ self which would then supposedly make him disappear since the him who went into the past won't exist then. But that doesn't happen as Jaguar from the future came to the past and got caught by Kikko who takes his time travel watch and gives it to professor Hitoyoshi who starts research on it. The time travel watch was made based on that research and that research started from Jaguar's time travel watch which means that he has to be in that time period at all times. If he dies then where did that watch come from? It will create a paradox and time doesn't like dealing with such stuff. The past can't be undone, is what they're trying to get at. Jaguar tried to prevent the IQ from forming by going into the past, but he failed. Whatever he has done can't be undone. Another thing is that killing all evil isn't exactly the answer to the world's troubles. There are different ways around it, like what the bureau is doing – they're managing superhumans and are protecting the delinquent ones too, preventing them from messing around. They're preventing crimes by superhumans in a way. I'm not entirely sure how much of that I got though... All this took place a few months before the immortal people incident. Jiro leaves the bureau in between these two events. |
| Ahh yes time paradoxes. I had kind of figured out that he had/would/was becoming a paradox, and thus not die. An interesting episode, but gah.. those theories, when you both have to read the subtitles and try to think it through.. it gets so scrambled and confusing. |
| Time travel always messes with my mind. |
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| Maybe everyone in the future is "superhuman" like, but that would make everyone the same and then nobody would be "superhuman" because all the humanity would have powers and stuff. People with powers would be the standard of humanity. Dunno. I think I'm thinking too much about all of this. And I didn't think the time travel was that confusing. hahaha |
| So the way you stop the "grandfather paradox" is with the "chicken /egg" paradox. That's pretty interesting if you think about it. |
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| Without giving any spoiler pls. Does the new episode give something good to the series? Or is it another pointless episode? Thanks in advance. |
fruits_punch95 said: Without giving any spoiler pls. Does the new episode give something good to the series? Or is it another pointless episode? Thanks in advance. None of the episodes in this series is pointless? Does it count as an answer? |
Araneae said: fruits_punch95 said: Without giving any spoiler pls. Does the new episode give something good to the series? Or is it another pointless episode? Thanks in advance. None of the episodes in this series is pointless? Does it count as an answer? There have been a lot of pointless episodes in my opinion. Episodes that only give me the message that this is a show of 100% style and nothing else. |
fruits_punch95 said: Araneae said: None of the episodes in this series is pointless? Does it count as an answer? There have been a lot of pointless episodes in my opinion. Episodes that only give me the message that this is a show of 100% style and nothing else. It's not just style. Every episode adds more to the story. This one just had a major revelation. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Jaguar became a paradox @____@ |
| I don't know why they tried to paint Jaguar like such a good guy this episode. We've already seen tidbits of him in the future setting when Jirou goes rogue and Jaguar acts like a fucking asshole. nynycius said: Araneae said: Wait what? I didn't think that he actually meant all the humanity. I thought that he meant that some of people like him were engineered from animals that's all. Was I wrong? Omg. O.o EDIT: And once again I don't understand why is everyone getting so confused with the ep. I think they presented everything in a pretty clear way. I'm agree with you Araneae... I understood that in future have no super humans (probably because of some shit in the past) so they start to do experiments with humans to give them animals abilities. And the police's job is to stop those who has abusing the time travelling... or something like that... That's pretty much it. Jaguar comes from a future where superhumans don't exist. If I had to take a guess, I'd say in his original timeline, all of this shit with the Bureau didn't exist, so once superhumans started popping up, all of the major governments just allied like they've been trying to do already, and without opposition or people supporting superhumans, the world governments were just able to wipe out superhumans through genocide, genetic altering, vaccinations etc. Once they were eradicated Jaguar, and probably others like him, are fake superhumans, pretty much just the result of human experimentation. He's a real life animorph! It's not like the existence of superhumans was buried and hidden, so Jaguar knew that superhumans were eliminated. They could've even still been wiping out a few remaining ones during his time in the future. So...Jaguar travels back in time to change history so superhumans could live...this creating IQ. IQ becomes super evil and corrupt, and in the end nothing changes. So he travels back in time again and creates the Bureau; with the intent of both saving superhumans and stopping IQ. Same result. IQ wins and shit gets ruined. So then he went back again and made the Bureau, only this time he was going to eliminate IQ and his other self to stop them and end the loop. |
Jonesy974 said: I don't know why they tried to paint Jaguar like such a good guy this episode. We've already seen tidbits of him in the future setting when Jirou goes rogue and Jaguar acts like a fucking asshole. We don't even know if the Jaguar in the scarf-Jiro-future is the same one as in the present. the youngest version did return to future after witnessing the Bureau version and there are implications he might start the similar journey too. Also We already had the flashforward where Jiro implies Jaguar knows Bureau is in the wrong but thinks its necessary. There are clear parallels with IQ and Bureau and Jaguar did stuck with the former despite the outright murdering going on. |
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| Ah time travelling is always hard for me to follow but this one still easy for me to understand |
| i swear by now i should have gotten used to time traveling events but still Ughh ma brain! |
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TheTsunami said: Poor Bobby Kennedy, taken out by the IQ. Also poor Martin Luther King. Che deserved it, though. |
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bastek66 said: TheTsunami said: Poor Bobby Kennedy, taken out by the IQ. Also poor Martin Luther King. Che deserved it, though. Nah thats not MLK, thats Malcolm X,considering IQ went after controversial people who could be deemed evil. |
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| Although I'm thinking this was the way to continue from the last episode, I'm worried how this all adds up in the end. Okay maybe this was just confusing :D I want moooooooooooooooooore |
| Cool episode. |
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| Time stuff is always so needlessly confusing :'( |
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| I don't see how anyone finds the time travel confusing when they spelt everything out for you. |
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| Jaguar said that there were no superhumans in the future, does Jirou have any hand in that? |
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ReaperCreeper said: I don't see how anyone finds the time travel confusing when they spelt everything out for you. No need to belittle people who find it confusing. Some may not be interested in it or have a difficult time following the plot of CRCG. If one doesn't pay attention carefully, it's easy to be confused. No need to act superior. |
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| nice episode. I'm glad Jaguar didn't disappear and I'm very glad they didn't explain it like other anime with several dimensions instead of actual time travel. I'm really surprised about this anime though. For some reason it's really interesting even though all the single episodes seem so random (I realize that they all belong to a bigger picture but if you watch only 1-2 episodes at a time it's hard to see it entirely :P definitely have to rewatch it all at once after the final episode) |
| Not gonna lie, this episode was clever. Not a time travel fanatic or anything, but the show somehow made multiple time travel theories work at once, good stuff |
| According to many a clever and confusing episode, I guess I can only agree. At one point though, I thought they were gonna kill off Jaguar's character. I'm glad they didn't. It's a shame though how they killed of the women, one of them was so hot :o |
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