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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- That was fun. We get more about designs as the guys and girls works together. The mascots has more or less of entertainment in this episode too. Not too impressed by some of the school uniform designs though. Nothing can ever be perfect. |
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| Just took a look through it on Raw and will comment more later when the subs are out. But I can only say that the ending was.... expected.... |
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| The director wearing a French maid's outfit, standing next to an airplane parked on the runway, looking up into the clouds. 660 x 371 pixel version: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nizigami1/imgs/0/4/0418ce61-s.jpg 1440 x 810 pixel version: http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nizigami1/imgs/0/4/0418ce61.jpg |
| So many meetings. And so much progress being made. But the storm arrived... Oh well, at least this means that they now actually have contact with the author. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| A fairly dry episode as we take an educational look at the several steps, and meetings, involved in the animation process. What really stood out to me was Aoi's growth. She's so confident and on top of things now. Unfortunately at the end they receive some bad news, but we were all expecting the author to cause problems at some point. |
| Andou is so sweet <3 |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| Well, we knew that was coming. That editor is the worst, even worse than Takanashi. Overall, great episode. Really liked how they explained the purpose of all those meetings. |
| damn thats bad starting all over again |
| Well, if they start over from scratch... will they need to do the casting for the voice actors again? Zuka still has a chance! |
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crevette said: Highly unlikely. They're stopping all production because the character designs may have to be redone, which basically means anything with characters will need to be redone too. That's most of the animation. Well, if they start over from scratch... will they need to do the casting for the voice actors again? Zuka still has a chance! The voice acting hasn't even started yet, and is therefore completely unaffected. Rest assured, something else will happen that will give Zuka a chance. From a storytelling perspective, there's little point to the character if something like that doesn't happen. Overall a nice info dump episode. I'm glad they did it, and also glad they got it out of the way. The fact that, up until this point, they'd brushed past most of the creative process had been a lingering weakness in the series. Finding a place to address that was a no-brainer, even if it'll be boring to some viewers. And obvious problem is obvious. I was, however, expecting it to take a bit longer and be much more of a headache. But this works fine too. |
crevette said: Well, if they start over from scratch... will they need to do the casting for the voice actors again? Zuka still has a chance! I hope she does get the role but really redo everything??? it's that guy's fault for just saying yes(the one who has connections with the mangaka) |
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| I loved this episode, i like how they handled all the meetings. I love the new members, especially Andou. Overall a great episode. Man, I love this anime. |
| That start was hilarious, so Yamada-san made an episode in which everything the character did was sleep and Andou-san (at first I thought someone with this name already existed but just mixing it up with Endou-san) thinks everyone else just "doesn't get it" and that there's more to it, the "Hey, are you one of those people?" just made me laugh out loud. There's also references to a lot of "failures" in production of anime in this series, they make it look like it is something that happens a lot, I guess I don't have that much knowledge but I very rarely hear about anything similar to what they talk about in this show. The Director also stills gives off that feeling that he has no idea what he is doing and that's he's lazy and that just about anyone could do his job but he still pulls through and is always there, I really like how they are portraying him. And there has been more comedy than usual in these most recent episodes, I appreciate that before things start getting heavy again (which seems like what will happen in the next episode), doesn't make the initial process feel as boring either, not that it was anyway, this series has characters solid enough that they can carry the show on their own no matter what they are doing. Still, I don't see how changing character designs is THAT big of a deal, it's not like everything is going to waste. New ED is nice too. |
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| Pretty interesting to see actually all those different meeting for each particular thing! Seeing all those designs and with Kinoshita imagining him being in the scene. New people joining and Tarou being a senpai. The translation towards the composition staff. Back to square one... just when everything was going so well too :( |
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| I knew the author would speak up at some point especially considering the editors behaviour. It's almost like the editor didn't care at all but for an author having his/her work animated means a lot and he/she probably wants a word in it. Well the director wanted to meet him/her so i guess it will be alright but there probably is a lot more work for the staff now. Normally i think maids and maid outfits are the most boring things in anime but the director in a maid outfit made my day. That was really funny to look at. Takanashi didn't gain much trust from his kouhai and i can't really blame them. The moment when they where sitting in the back was nice and that the meeting with the key frame artists. Guess he has his personality to blame. Speaking of the new staff they hired exactly who i thought they would hire, the girl with the yellow hair locks was an obvious choice. But the woman who needed to travel long for her old job is a good choice as well even if she doesn't know much about the industry yet. They both seem keen on learning. |
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| Kunogi is so cute <3 Starting everything over? For real? Now I am really mad at that editor and author. Poor main cast... I hope they make it somehow. |
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| Man, they have it hard. Kunogi reminds me of a hamster :3 |
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| Great episode. It was really interesting to see what they have to do for making an anime. I really liked the scenes where they explained everything with Miyamori's dolls. But that ending :o That's so mean, I had the feeling that something's going to happen because the editor always said that everything's fine, without asking the author. |
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| Great episode, it was fun and they finally got an opinion from the manga author, even though it's a harsh one (redo everything). Kunogi is a cute character, but she needs a babysitter to help her every meeting lol. |
| I'm learning English so maybe I make mistakes :) |
| Guys, I'm not sure I get it. Do they have to redo the chara designs or just restart everything from the beginning? (if the latter, maybe Zuka-chan will have a chance to voice a character) |
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| Damn son, the creation industry sure is harsh. I can bet someone's name is goanna end up in a Death Note. |
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| Kinda had an inkling that the editor's carefree attitude would lead to something like this. We haven't even gotten to the Titanic Studio part yet and already troubles are raining down on them. All those meetings, all that organizing. I'm glad that Miyamori has two capable assistants with her this time round. Oh, for some reason, I found the silent girl, Kunogi Ai, to be absolutely adorable. I want one! |
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| F***!!! That editor needs to get sewed <_< It's the mangaka's fault for just leaving it to that idiot this whole time. I knew things were going too smoothly but I didn't expect they'll need to start all over D: Amazing ep though. Loved seeing how everything is done from A-Z :O Miyamori is really awesome ^^ Loved Tsubaki quite a lot. Fav new character for sure :3 Ai was lol with how shy she was XD Her facial expressions were hilarious lol |
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| Wow did the hammer fall down hard at the end. There's bound to be interesting drama next couple of episodes. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Aoi's already starting to have the gist on production desk, everything's flowing fluidly and then Nabe-P came to relay the bad news. Funny story. |
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richard360 said: Damn son, the creation industry sure is harsh. I can bet someone's name is goanna end up in a Death Note. The dodgy editor's name should be the first name added to the Death Note. The author himself should've been involved from the start rather than relying on his useless editor who doesn't care much about his job at all. =/ Anyway, a lot of the episode was info dumping which gave us more insight in how complicated projects like this can be. Also good to see the mascots getting much more screentime too! =D Hopefully Musashino can battle through this storm can resume production ASAP. Also, Kunogi is really adorable! =3 |
Takuan_Soho said: You're looking too deep into it, the only thing changing is the visuals, the VAs and music and other things were picked based on the tone of the manga and the character's personalities, not how they look.YumeNoMonogatari said: Guys, I'm not sure I get it. Do they have to redo the chara designs or just restart everything from the beginning? (if the latter, maybe Zuka-chan will have a chance to voice a character) Pretty much. How the characters looked was how the director decided what scenes to show (and the tone of the show), what types of CG they would use (and the tone of the visuals), how the music would interact with the visuals (the actual tone), and this of course would impact the voice actresses. Of course this would require a very serious change in the character design, but it is all interrelated. That said, most likely it would not change the voice actresses. They should be skilled enough to handle anything short of complete changes in character, however where this really could impact things would be with the availability of the voice actresses - they are booked at certain times, so changing the schedule could also impact them. Another way it could impact is that no one in entertainment wants to be associated with a train wreck. This change is so big that it threatens the entire project, so that larger companies and their talent, would want to distant themselves from it (the studio is small, so it wouldn't be as if any real bridges would be burnt in doing so). Add to this the director's reputation, and no one would blame people for bailing. That last part isn't fair, but it is how the world works. So my guess is this will be the reason that Zuka gets the job. She needs the break and would be willing to risk a disaster for an opportunity. The upside of course is that if they pull things off she would get a positive reputation, since everyone would be expecting a disaster, if the animation becomes a success, this success would be amplified for all involved. |
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| Loved the meetings its a great way to learn more about the anime production process before its actually made. I even like the new staff two and the old staff looks so grown up now |
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| Now that's really annoying getting started on the very beginning..well the editor was really way to easy going it kinda annoy me every time he starts saying "Funny Story" good thing he didn't appear in this episode. |
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| Decent episode. Nothing much other than to show all the meetings necessary for anime production to finally get on its gears. Those two dolls took up too much of the spotlight though, never been too fond of them. Oh, and that cliffhanger ending. Haven't seen something like that since the beginning of the series. |
| Why do people have such bad taste? Anime isn't subjective anymore. |
| Everything was going fine until that storm hit the studio!!!! Damn that editor. Love the new Kouhei's <3 They picked the ones I liked. Zuka has a chance YES!!!!!! |
| That new animator girl was too cute and the new production assistant's were interesting too. Andou was really sweet and her knowledge puts me at ease. She's going to be a good element. The meetings were all interesting and watching the director was funny too. "For the fight scenes the music should be KABOOM VRRRR!" That was PERFECT. But dat ending! Urgh, I knew it. It's all that stupid editors fault. I hated him since the first time he appeared. Poor guys. Well, looking forward to the next ep. |
| It took then 15 episodes to start explaining some... contents properly. It was good to see how good things were going... until the last part... The new employes are really promising. |
ThreePointer said: Loved the meetings its a great way to learn more about the anime production process before its actually made. I even like the new staff two and the old staff looks so grown up now All those meetings were really interesting, there are just so many! And Aoi and director has to go to all of them! She's doing a really great job as production desk, even though she had few troubles when she was working as a production assistant. And I agree, I love how we get to see Aoi and Ema as senpai to others now :D rinnie002 said: The meetings were all interesting and watching the director was funny too. "For the fight scenes the music should be KABOOM VRRRR!" That was PERFECT. Lol yeeah, I was like, how is the composer supposed to even understand that...but hey, at least someone could translate the director's "words." And ugh. We all knew this was coming. Though I have to say, my first thought was way worse, that the show was being canceled. I always think of worse case scenario, so having to start over wasn't as bad as I thought. Though still really terrible. I mean everyone was getting so into it and everything was going along sooo well, that I would almost think that this is a hit on the staff's morale. All because of that incompetent editor. Jfc, time to get a new editor, author =_= |
L-Ryoshi said: Kinda had an inkling that the editor's carefree attitude would lead to something like this. We haven't even gotten to the Titanic Studio part yet and already troubles are raining down on them. Funny story... Such a useless editor. I kind of doubt it was the mangaka's fault, rather, I think the editor might have put off filling him in on everything. But this sucks! Changing the character designs mean they have to change all the scenes with them, seiyuu, etc. I don't think that's just the extent of the issue either, since he said they have to restart everything... Incompetent editor!! Paulo27 said: That start was hilarious, so Yamada-san made an episode in which everything the character did was sleep and Andou-san (at first I thought someone with this name already existed but just mixing it up with Endou-san) thinks everyone else just "doesn't get it" and that there's more to it, the "Hey, are you one of those people?" just made me laugh out loud. Otaku? XD That's the vibe I get from her. I'm liking Andou. She's enthusiastic and knowledgable. :D |
| Hopefully that won't turn into another Shirokuma Cafe, but there's still a million ways the whole production can go wrong. It's painful to watch since it reminds me my past experience but yet I want to see their reaction under all these pressure, it's turning into a reality show and that's awesome. If 万策尽きたー＼(^o^)／, Myamori, we don't hire you just for your management skill you know, deploy that sexy body at my command! Subdues sensei at all cost! 以上! |
| The guys set a record for least amount of time spent on a storyboard xD Then the guy at the ends says stop all productions and to do everything all over again. Those guys who set that record have to do the drawings again xD Quite a lot of screen time from Bear-kun and Eye Patch Girl. |
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| Shirobeko, huh? "One of those people?" Cute. 10 minutes holy sh*t. Lol Kunogi. I really like Segawa <3 Damn that artwork. So many meetings. I'm still sharing that all-girls school dream too * v * All those little changes.. ah so cool~ Wtf that transition. With all that quick productivity, it was expected that there would be a problem. Actually with that stupid manager or whatever of the author, I was expecting even that he didn't give permission at all for the adaption of his manga, but I guess that would suck too much. |
| After all the effort. I hope this doesn't happen a lot in real life. After watching this episode, it makes me appreciate anime even more! |
Mirorin said: Otaku? XD That's the vibe I get from her. I'm liking Andou. She's enthusiastic and knowledgable. :D That too, I guess, but it's more like she's one of those people who watches something and thinks it is amazing and when someone disagrees she just says they "don't get it" and it is "2deep4them". Takuan_Soho said: Like I said, they aren't making things up, they are following the manga, unless the author wants to change the story and the characters for the anime there's really no big deal in changing characters designs, I doubt the current ones are all wrong and don't follow the manga at all, everyone read the manga and knows the characters so they'd know if they are off, if the author only wants to change the eye's position or whatever then it's no big deal, we'll see how big the issue is next episode though.Paulo27 said: You're looking too deep into it, the only thing changing is the visuals It's animation: you change the visuals, you change everything. Of course if it is minor changes things wouldn't change that much, but that they said "we have to start again", it seems clear that the author has some serious changes, stuff that will impact the director's vision quite completely. And yes, this impacts the VA's directly. The voice has to match the design, the other way around doesn't really work. Remember how the director selected a scene and then changed the CG visualization all based on how one character's "mature expression" . Take that away and everything changes. As for how big of a deal this can be, I would hold out Aku No Hana, they messed around with Nakamura and it KILLED the series in the first 7 minutes (rotoscope didn't help, but from reading the posts their changing Nakamura really seemed to push the fans over the edge). Speaking just for myself, one of the reasons I don't read the stories of things I am going to watch (and vice versa) is that I visualize things and it does impact me when things don't match my imagination. |
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