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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Finally they arrive. I'm looking forward to this summit and how it goes! Fate to be decided... Alibaba's determination is also something noticeable here. |
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| Even though theres no action, these chapter's are really good. I hope Alibaba makes a good decisions within the summit, gonna be one hell of a ride. Also I wonder if Ohtaka has been playing zelda, because this manga gave me that vibe within the dungeons, also I noticed the triforce symbol. |
| Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. |
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| Sinbad and Kouen are pretty similar rulers. Wonder how the discussions will go and whether anything will get violent or not. |
| Sinbad will do anything to protect his country. Looks like the summit is about to begin. Can't wait. |
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mattx017 said: Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. And what's wrong with Kouen? Seriously, Aladdin isn't so childish that he would choose another ruler. |
| "whats so special about bonzai trees?" "They are the loli of the tree world."  Inganock of the Brightest Flame |
IronLobster said: mattx017 said: Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. And what's wrong with Kouen? Seriously, Aladdin isn't so childish that he would choose another ruler. unfortunately, Aladdin seems attached to alibaba. he'd probably try to recover him even if he were to fall into the depth of revenge. however, it would be interesting if Aladdin were to choose another ruler |
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mattx017 said: Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. I agree. Alibaba is way to naïve. Aladdin should choose a better king. Alibaba is getting on my nerves. |
| It's gonna be an extremely difficult decision for Alibaba but it would be interesting how he would grow from this. |
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| It's true he's naive, but he's got a good heart. And I highly doubt Aladdin would chose a different king. I feel like that would ruin the story D: |
| Sinbad and aren't are very similar. Powerful, masterful, bending people to their will and escaping an easy categorization as "good" or "evil" While Alibaba has grown in stature as a fighter. He really needs to up to speed on his Machiavelli and understand that to rule means taking tough decisions. Something's even things that seem morally repulsive to you. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| "All is fair in love and war" I guess this sums up Sinbad and Kouen nicely. |
RedgraveGilverJan 28, 2014 2:31 AM
Hayayandere said: It's the age of dungeons and metal vessels, the world is heading to a great war and it was Yunan who had instigated it by making the first dungeon appear. Sinbad and Kouen are using underhanded methods to protect their countries, but I wonder what Yunan is planning. I also wonder about the third spy that Sinbad had planted and in which country; it could be Parthevia, since it's Sinbad's homeland and the one that the manga has yet to explore. I think the third spy is in Reim Empire, because it's a big and powerful country, and it also has a magi. So, I think it's more useful to have a spy there than in another place |
| O importante não é o que fazemos de nós, mas o que nós fazemos daquilo que fazem de nós |
| With how the story is showing how Sinbad and Kouen are doing everything for their country including underhanded methods, makes me think whether the author is gonna make Alibaba the change to that. As Kouen said there is no country that exists where there is 100% trust within it. What if Alibaba would bring change to that? sorry just speaking out the first thing that came to mind |
dfmerin12 said: With how the story is showing how Sinbad and Kouen are doing everything for their country including underhanded methods, makes me think whether the author is gonna make Alibaba the change to that. As Kouen said there is no country that exists where there is 100% trust within it. What if Alibaba would bring change to that? sorry just speaking out the first thing that came to mind Yup, with Alibaba as a protagonist who earned the trust of his household and Aladin with his actions it is hard to imagine that he would go the same way as his rival king vessels. Real life kings fought with Michavielli's teachings but this is Shounen. I would even go to say that if he accepts it would be a pyrrhic victory for Alibaba since he wouldn't really be a king of his own country. He should just part ways with both Kouen and Sindbad. |
IronLobster said: mattx017 said: Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. And what's wrong with Kouen? Seriously, Aladdin isn't so childish that he would choose another ruler. This is coming from the kid that wanted to end a war without killing anyone. |
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mattx017 said: IronLobster said: mattx017 said: Alibaba is far to naive, I really hope he doesn't join forces with Prince Ren. Because if he does I can really see Aladdin picking another King Vessel. And what's wrong with Kouen? Seriously, Aladdin isn't so childish that he would choose another ruler. This is coming from the kid that wanted to end a war without killing anyone. He not only "wanted", he DID end the war without killing anyone. And what's childish about that? He's a Magi, killing soldiers to end a war would be hypocritical. And Alibaba isn't "naive", his situation forces him to look dumb. The problem is that he is weak, so he can't do much. But that's not a reason for Aladdin to choose another ruler, all the 3 main characters have been struggling to become stronger since the beginning, and that's not going to change. |
ColtBuntlineJan 28, 2014 8:46 AM
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| Holy Shit....Sinbad Openly Admit that He was Prepared to do Anything to Protect his Kingdom..So He Is Neutral Grey, just Like I Suspected. Not Evil, or Good, just Prepared to do anything necessary. Tough This Chapter Really Made Me Pissed off towards Him, Even if I understand His Reasoning. And Kouen Knows About Hakuryuu's Hate...And There Is Trap!?...... Really poor Alibaba. What he will Decide? I don't Believe that he will truly join Kou Empire! Holy Shit he is In Physiological Trouble. What he will decide? And Summit is Next...AND tHEY WILL LEARN ABOUT THE PAST...OF F**K THIS WILL BE AWESOME!!! |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| Great chapter and interesting parallels for Sinbad and Kouen. Both want to protect their countries, using dirty methods if necessary. Kouen may be a cruel man but at least he's honest about his goals and how to achieve them. Sinbad however is a good king but also often portrait in a shady way, he is quite mysterious about his goals. Kougyoku has been manipulated and used as a tool by so many people at this point. I don't think Alibaba want to involve her further in his dilemma, but it may change if he joins Kou and they'll get married, then he have to tell her everything. I'm a little disappointed with him not telling his household about the situation, but he might want to discuss everything with Aladdin first. The events at the summit will be the turning point for Alibaba, Aladdin and Morgiana, they might even cut connection to Sindria since all three of them have learned not to blindly trust Sinbad. What I want to see in the future is Alibaba and Aladdin forming their own independent kingdom that will include Balbadd, Reim and maybe Magnostadt. I'm backing this prediction up with Scheherazade's confidence of Aladdin and Alibaba being the ones who will make a difference for the whole world. |
| Damn some crazy stuff has been going down in Magi those past few weeks. Can't wait for the summit to begin, also poor Hakuryuu tho, he thinks he's up for revenge, but Kouen got him right where he wants him. |
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| Alibaba is in a hard place. I honestly picture him standing up for himself and his country at the meeting. There is no way the Kou Empire and Sindria to see eye to eye. Alibaba can't really ally himself with the Kou Empire because of their dealings with the Organization. Alibaba can't really turn a blind eye to Sinbad anymore after this latest development. Alibaba has people that support him already not to mention Aladdin and Mor. Theory: This leaves him with a few options. 1. When he goes to the summit he will try to reach a diplomatic solution between the countries. 2. He works with Reim Empire and Magnoshutatt with Aladdin and Mor as representatives and creates a new alliance for the benefit of those countries and attempts to create a new Balbadd. The soul purpose of this alliance wold be for the interest of the people and to end the Organization ( someone mentioned this already) Alibaba already has the connections. He just needs to use them. There are other ways, but these 2 ideas entered my mind first. I love chapters like these. It really makes you think about the series , the characters, and the internal struggles they have to deal with. One thing that bothers me though. Sinbad can monitor 3 people. We know one of them, but not the others. Sinbad could easily take the hostage "for the good of his country" if threatened. As for the comments about Alibaba being weak. Have you guys been reading the same chapters as me? It's one thing to judge a character from an outside point of view, but if you were in his shoes I bet you would be in a similar state. He could be killed and "disappear" at any point since he isn't in a safe place. He is going to struggle and he will grow. I wouldn't say he is weak, but he has been dealt the short side of the stick here. |
TheFadingMoonJan 28, 2014 3:31 PM
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TheFadingMoon said: He's weaker than Kouen Ren, that's the point. If Alibaba was like 10 times stronger than Ren, he wouldn't be in that situation. That's for sure :)As for the comments about Alibaba being weak. Have you guys been reading the same chapters as me? It's one thing to judge a character from an outside point of view, but if you were in his shoes I bet you would be in a similar state. He could be killed and "disappear" at any point since he isn't in a safe place. He is going to struggle and he will grow. I wouldn't say he is weak, but he has been dealt the short side of the stick here. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| Damn I can't look at Sinbad the same way again lol. :x Using anything to get an advantage to protect his country . Can't help but feel he's falling into depravity since he has both black and white rukh. |
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| poor alibaba hes so little compare to those two.. looks like kouens ideal of country contradicts sinbad's country which is pure.. i still prefer sinbad's ruling where theres no slavery system.. |
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| Alibaba reacted worse than I thought he would, glad to see him defend Kougyoku. I don't blame Sinbad for acting in the best interest of his country, but I do expect to see him get his due for taking advantage of Kougyoku's kind hearted nature ever since Balbadd. Not surprised Kouen has Hakuryuu pretty much on wraps, even with Judal I still doubt his plot will ever amount to anything more than a pathetic falling to depravity. Can't wait for the summit. Everything's up in the air, especially with Mu as a wild card. I've no clue what Alibaba will decide anymore. |
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mikado34 said: Great chapter and interesting parallels for Sinbad and Kouen. Both want to protect their countries, using dirty methods if necessary. Kouen may be a cruel man but at least he's honest about his goals and how to achieve them. Sinbad however is a good king but also often portrait in a shady way, he is quite mysterious about his goals. Kougyoku has been manipulated and used as a tool by so many people at this point. I don't think Alibaba want to involve her further in his dilemma, but it may change if he joins Kou and they'll get married, then he have to tell her everything. I'm a little disappointed with him not telling his household about the situation, but he might want to discuss everything with Aladdin first. The events at the summit will be the turning point for Alibaba, Aladdin and Morgiana, they might even cut connection to Sindria since all three of them have learned not to blindly trust Sinbad. What I want to see in the future is Alibaba and Aladdin forming their own independent kingdom that will include Balbadd, Reim and maybe Magnostadt. I'm backing this prediction up with Scheherazade's confidence of Aladdin and Alibaba being the ones who will make a difference for the whole world. I also Would Love to See Alladin and Co. Leave Sindaria and form their Own Faction, Actually i hope it will happen. But as for getting Reim in that Kingdom.. Very Unlikely. They would have to Start from Scratch because Balbadd and Reim are in the Hands Of Kou Empire and Sindaria. Ali, Alla and Morg don't have any strength to get those nation from them. But we will see it start at the Summit, what will happen, That is for Author to Know and We to Find Out. |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| If anything, I liked Kouen's way of dirtying his hands for his country rather than Sinbad's. He knew Kougyoku has feelings for her yet he just used it for his own. |
Hayayandere said: It's the age of dungeons and metal vessels, the world is heading to a great war and it was Yunan who had instigated it by making the first dungeon appear. Sinbad and Kouen are using underhanded methods to protect their countries, but I wonder what Yunan is planning. I also wonder about the third spy that Sinbad had planted and in which country; it could be Parthevia, since it's Sinbad's homeland and the one that the manga has yet to explore. +1 ... these are really some thought provoking points ... this chapter is all over my head |
| I am not that into Magi, but I realised, that often I start to read a chapter and am totally bored while reading the first few pages. But at the end of it I am into it again. |
| From the looks of it, Alibaba has no other choice but to join the Kou empire. My own theory, instead of joining the Kou empire, would be that Alibaba joined the Reim empire. For that to be possible, I thought of something... In exchange of not making stronger ties with the Seven Seas alliance and creating a greater disadvange for the Kou empire in the eventuality of a war, the Kou empire would free Balbadd for it to become part of the Reim empire, and the Reim empire would not interfere in the possibly upcoming war between the Seven Seas alliance and the Kou empire. Of course that's only possible if the strategic importance of Balbadd(with Alibaba and fries on the side) is smaller than to temporary avoid the disadvantage of fighting the Seven Seas alliance together with the Reim empire. Even if it's not, Aladdin and Titus are magi, so they could make it so that they give up the location of the country but transport all of the people of the Balbadd to Reim. Surely the added power of a good metal vessel user and a magi would more than pay the burden of extra people in the Reim empire. In the end, it's easy to see why Sinbad is not worried about Alibaba if he joins the Kou empire. When war breaks out between SSA and Kou, the first location Sindria will place their hands on will be Balbadd. From the moment Sinbad takes Balbadd, Alibaba will change his allegiance. Who holds Balbadd will be the one who holds Alibaba. |
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| Never would have imagined Alibaba as part of the Kou Empire, though it makes so much sense. I guess he'll be with Kougyoku?? Nahhh. Shit is so real right now, love getting to know Kouen. I'm in East Asian Civilization class right now and this whole concept of one unified ruler and country is such a huge part of Chinese history and its politics, it's amazing the connections lol and all the other historical parallels. |
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