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| Everyone's theory was correct. Kugal was dead while Striker did all the work. It seems Striker learned everything from Kugal but when he died, she took over and continued his work under the Galactic Alliance way of life. I wonder if Chamber can fight without Ledo? So Chamber can go full force without any restriction from Ledo. The mystery behind the key and the finale next week T____T. |
| Great episode. |
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eminagnam said: What was the point of the religious sacrifice? I expected something like Logan's Run though. Also wonder what happened to him. It wasn't explained. because it rained - i think? |
| Dat animation was glorious. Just magnificent , maybe one of the best anime of spring 2013. |
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| Ya it was pretty much predictable that the colonel was dead, his personality on earth and when saving ledo was much too different. |
OutlawJess said: So is it safe to say 2nd season for Gargantia? Nope. Story will be complete. OVA 1 in September. |
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| The last episode is gonna be a trainwreck no matter what. Way too many things to resolve in only 23 minutes. They shouldn't have spent so much time on transvestites and fanservice. Such a shame. |
| Chamber has become one of my favorite companion AI's in fiction similar to Jarvis from Iron man. Even tho he is a machine he doesn't seem as cold and calculating as the striker, living among the humans and helping them probably helped with that. Even when he killed the hideaze he didn't kill out of bloodshed and calculation, his explanation was quite good. |
Takuan_Soho said: I love how hard you are trying to find meaning when there is none. Fallacious logical fallacy is fallacious. Takuan_Soho said: Nope, no assumption on my part. Never said anything about the war being rational and just. All we need to know is that the Hideauze exists for the Alliance to be more rational than this Cult, because the Cult literally has nothing to support it. Replace hideauze with whalesquids/ignorance/normalhumans/gargantia and you have exactly same thing. The target does not matter as its just motivation, just like with most of utalitarian empires. Takuan_Soho said: Here's a quick question: if you were given the choice between living in a fascist dictatorship as you imagine the Alliance to be (it is probably a waste of time to point out how hypocritical you are here) OR in a theocratic dictatorship as the Cult has been shown, which would you choose to live in? I would say that there's no difference in between. The said fascist dictatorship Alliance is based upon was also obsessed with cults and occultism overall(more notable examples being volkisch movement). Both choices are exactly equal in their portrayal and behavior. Both are utilitarian societies based on Darwinism, preaching superiority of human race, getting rid of the week,relying on unwavering loyalty of every individual, denying the idea of individual and implying that individual is only worth existing as long as its useful to themachine as a whole. Both alliance and Striker-cult are just that - a cult, just with different "gods", yet identical methods. Everything cult displayed is in line with Alliance mentality, just via less complex propaganda. In fact most of those methods were something Ledo argued Gargantia should strive towards at the start of the show and through every single episode we have seen Ledo's utalitarian brainwashing being challenged by the way gargantia lives, to the point that when he is faced with the way Alliance lived, it comes off as a total opposite from what he learned and experienced. He even pretty much equates cult to the alliance during bickering with Striker this episode. IF Alliance is Nazi Germany, then Striker-Cult is KKK. Through the show Ledo learned the value of individuality, the value of human life, the meaning behind existence beyond utility value of one being. He is still a soldier, but the reasons he is fighting for are incredibly different when compared to the ones he had at the start. We started with a man who could not care less for his own existence or the prize/avalon, the man who questioned the very idea of human nature and ended up with a man who is capable of delivering a very emotinal response against the very same robotic logic he used to have himself. Who actually has emotions when interacting with people. |
AhenshihaelJun 23, 2013 4:02 PM
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| there has to be a season 2 if they actually want to develop the world and setting further. They will mostly likely end with ledo living on earth free with gargantia and not dealing with the galactic alliance. I don't see them doing anything too deep in the next episode. It will be chamber and ledo winning using some deus ex machina maybe and thats that. |
| And the Key???? AHHH! It's for Tauburn! Cuz ya know, it's sexier than Chamber!  |
| "Seize the time, Meribor - live now! Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard. |
| Sweet ep, but waaaaaaaaaay to much shit to cover in the last one. The commander being dead however was no surprise. |
| For those saying Ledo would have been killed if he'd gone in the Striker cockpit... maybe, but if he had an override to open the cockpit why not an override code to use the machine? I think the override to open the cockpit was a big ass-pull, did that come from somewhere? The key is going to be a big ass-pull too... Sigh. I so wanted to love this series! I thought it would be a thinking person's anime. I enjoy Valvrave but that one has gone from silly to deconstruction so thinking about it is actually alright. I will try to just sit back and enjoy the last episode of Gargantia and not worry about the ass-pulls... More coming but just OVA1 in BD Box 1 in August and OVA2 in BD Box 3 in October, assuming they aren't delayed further. |
hpulleyJun 23, 2013 4:22 PM
RedArmyShogun said: Sweet ep, but waaaaaaaaaay to much shit to cover in the last one. The commander being dead however was no surprise. I think this series has enough potential to have huge amounts of lore and a expansive universe similar to star wars, mass effect, etc. but its a shame they won't expand on it. |
hpulley said: For those saying Ledo would have been killed if he'd gone in the Striker cockpit... maybe, but if he had an override to open the cockpit why not an override code to use the machine? I think the override to open the cockpit was a big ass-pull, did that come from somewhere? THe way I see it, that was just Striker trolling Ledo - as you had a weird short pause before Ledo's request was granted. |
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| So much Sumerian and Illuminati symbolism in this episode it's beyond belief. |
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| 1. Humans make super-humans (hideauze) 2. Then they think they are dangerous 3. Then they try to kill them 4. Force into human minds that hideauze are monsters 5. Someone finds out the truth 6. The one who knows truth must be removed to keep the secret Well.. isnt that how current society works? |
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| I really hope this anime gets a second season at this point. Maybe the key will lead to the ending? 5/5 This week. |
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Fai said: Really? A trolling robot suit would give away its secret??? Maybe but that won't make me feel any better about this show...hpulley said: For those saying Ledo would have been killed if he'd gone in the Striker cockpit... maybe, but if he had an override to open the cockpit why not an override code to use the machine? I think the override to open the cockpit was a big ass-pull, did that come from somewhere? THe way I see it, that was just Striker trolling Ledo - as you had a weird short pause before Ledo's request was granted. |
| Finally an episode you can really sink your teeth into! Everything that has happened so far has come to this. Gargantia is finally making the move to make some changes and take a stand. The humans aren't crazy about this new order and start a rebellion headed by Pinion and Rakkage. For the first time in the show, Pinion isn't a douchebag and is actually doing really well. I guess all he needed was a new hairstyle, which I have to say makes him look ten times better. He's almost in bishie territory now. Red has been battling against his ingrained training and has finally come to the decision that what his Commander is doing is wrong. He decides to fight against him instead, and Chamber decides to follow as his pilot decides, basing it on the logic that what the Commander is doing doesn't follow along with Alliance regulations. And thus begins the most epic of fights as Chamber and Striker go head to head, while Pinion and Rakkage take care of things on the ground. Red is able to pin his leader, only to find out what I and many others guessed last week: Kugel has been dead for some time and Striker has been the one truly running the show. This begs the question of whether Striker's wiring has gone haywire or if the AI has become independent and is following her own plan? Either way, it has shocked Red to the core and he looks like her is out for mecha "blood" next week. So what will be the thrilling conclusion to this tale and will it be a happy victory? Or will Striker's attack cause a great loss of life? I give this episode a 8.7/10. The end of this show is deciding not to be a disappointment, and I'm glad for that. |
| A.I. versus mankind lol |
| TWISTED PLOT WAT. |
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| What if the reason the war is still going on is because of twisted AI that still follow the original galactic alliance principles even after all these years? |
| Pinion and Rackage make a beautiful romantic couple. ;) |
| Now that is how a mech battle is done. F**k yeah! Haven't enjoyed a mech battle this much since Evangelion. |
Wecc said: All Hail HaXXspetten King of the Loli Traps! |
Mam-ii said: I think Pinion is gonna die tbh :3 Pinion will a great hero... the savior of Gargantia! |
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| Robot gone rouge? huh, |
| Lol those Dynasty Lobsters |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| I think Chamber wasted most of his power on that last push. |
| In the end, it's all "shounen fight the boss" again I guess, with the help of his friend Ledo defeat the evil force and they live happy ever after....Oh who I am kidding? It's UroButcher, I expect space squid or alliance, maybe both in the final episode. |
huehue93 said: I think Chamber wasted most of his power on that last push. The key will help to recharge chamber's energy i think. Anw good episode, so in the end Ledo's commander was dead and they were all just striker decision. |
Hydnlife said: Robot gone rouge? huh, ROGUE |
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bastek66 said: OutlawJess said: So is it safe to say 2nd season for Gargantia? Nope. Story will be complete. OVA 1 in September. Thats a bummer but then people might not be happy with open ending and have to wait for next season |
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| Wow, I certainly didn't expect that at the end! Great episode :) |
 "Can you feel that hybrid rainbow?" |
| That AI has gone rogue! I was somewhat surprised that the commander was dead. In all honesty, I thought that his death was a feasible option but I never imagined it to be actually true. We should bow down to machines as obviously they are going to become the rulers of mankind :L |
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| Striker pls would had sucked if Chamber sided with her earth pretty much would had been fucked. |
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| Well, those who predicted Kugel was dead and Striker was running amok totally called it! I wasn't totally surprised but I was kind of hoping Kugel was alive. It would have been two humans of the same origins fighting over two totally different sets of ideals. The rogue AL feels a little disappointing. Unless we can infer the Galactic Alliance simply became as extreme as the Hideauze they fought. So one side lost the need for human intelligence along with their human form and became danger space monsters. The other side kept their human forms and became little more than the machines they relied on. At this point I do have to wonder if the GA created an AI program so complex it ended up making the decisions humans would have made. Humans still exist but they're no longer pulling the strings or the highest ranking GA members are little more than AI mouth pieces. Kinda like Psycho-Pass' Sybil system but way more extreme. I find it creepy how Striker strove to keep Kugel's body intact and how it simply disintegrated as soon as the cockpit was opened. She sure wasn't lying about him never being able to leave it. I wonder if he was killed while going through the wormhole or if he simply died before someone could find his mech. Darkmatterx76 said: I think once you go there, the AI takes a copy of your DNA and then kills you. That DNA is put in a large database to be used for the next generation of clones. That way, only the DNA of the"strong" who survived that long in the war will be in the next generation of humans. In a way the AI isn't lying. They use your DNA (sex). They probably feed you while they use you, (food). Then they put you to sleep by killing you, (sleep). That logic seems a bit odd. One, it would be a massive waste of perfectly good resources. If your soldiers earn the right to visit Avalon that means they are extremely useful. Killing them when they are sixteen means you've just lost a human could have fought on for at least a few more decades. That DNA is important for the next generation but they take time to raise. It's been shown via Ledo's memories and some supplemental material that these child soldiers are grown naturally and do attend military school. Kill them too young and the population might not have time to replenish itself. In war raw manpower is just as important as capable warriors. Two, if soldiers are killed when they are old enough to reproduce how would that explain Kugel? He's clearly much older than Ledo and is a commanding officer. If we go by your theory (as you've presented it) he should have died a long time ago. Three, if they are all just clones why even bother taking said clone's DNA? The master copy of the said DNA could be replicated over and over again. In other words, the AI has all the genetic material it needs. Everyone comes from a single pool of genes. It wouldn't need more of the SAME EXACT DNA from the humans. |
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| Well at least this anime is finally almost over. |
| Him being dead not surprising but I didn't see the falling head coming. -_- |
Takuan_Soho said: enviKwu said: That AI has gone rogue! We should bow down to machines as obviously they are going to become the rulers of mankind :L People keep saying this, but we don't have a shred of evidence that this is the case. We don't know if Stryker is attempting to carry out Kugel's final order, or if Stryker went insane when it's pilot died, or if Stryker is honestly trying to carry out the programming it received from the Alliance, or even that it is earnest about wanting to help humanity but failed because it could only think according to what it learned from human history. We do know that Chamber was willing to fight Stryker with no real evidence and on instructions from Ledo, so this would suggest that there is no machine "plot" against humanity, that the "machines" are not the rulers of mankind, but rather still their servants. Unless of course those people going on about how Ledo "develop" want to make the case that Chamber also has similarly "developed". The sad thing is that we may not get an explanation why Stryker did what it did. This show has been long on intriguing concepts, short on actual explanations or development of these concepts from the beginning. Given that there is only one episode left (assuming that the OVA is not the true ending), then "going rogue" is the least likely explanation, since it would take the longest to explain. This, as I said before the series has huge potential for a big plotline but without a 2nd season I think all we will get is a "happy" end with ledo living on earth with the whole war and all the concepts put aside. |
enviKwu said: That AI has gone rogue! I was somewhat surprised that the commander was dead. In all honesty, I thought that his death was a feasible option but I never imagined it to be actually true. We should bow down to machines as obviously they are going to become the rulers of mankind :L I am thinking its not even "going rogue" - I think that's how Alliance is being run all this time. By an AI. Also the one way to solve the alliance problem is for Striker to reveal that it was not 6 months, but 60 years and that during that time Machine Caliber AIs most likely would gotten rid of the rest of humanity in Alliance too. Takuan_Soho said: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Should I put tin layman's terms for you? Its a logic that is wrong. in this case your pointless assumption that there's no point in anything, which you keep bringing up as a given, without an actual proof of it being so. Takuan_Soho said: I have to admire the way you can make universals out of non-existent things. Soviet Russia, Maoist China, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Capitalistic US (though one of these things don't belong with the others, now which?) are not utilitarian states. There has never been a state that prided itself on its "utility". And yet one could argue that that's EXACTLY where every authoritarian empire would be going, had it survived~ strange, I know. Takuan_Soho said: Weaseling I see. Certainly better than your bullshitting and ranting. Takuan_Soho said: The "Vokisch Movement" was not a cult, nor was it obsessed with occultism. Volkish movement was a bunch of wannabe pagans who wanted to be pagans without paganism being involved. They ended up being main inspiration for nazi regime. Takuan_Soho said: The Nazis were, but the Nazi's were not a fascist dictatorship. The reason you can "see no difference" (though that you won't answer shows that you can) is because you are lumping things you don't like together with no understanding of their differences. Or maybe I am having an thing called different opinion from your narrow-minded definition of this show. And there's no real difference between nazism and fascism - its same kind of nationalism-based racist regime, except that Nazis also borrowed a bit of socialist ideas. Takuan_Soho said: Uhm, no. "Us" vs "them" isn't Darwinism. Nope, but "weak serving the strong" surely is. But hey that would go against your rants, so let's ignore that~ Takuan_Soho said: Actually the Pirate queen said that the Cult was extremely "fair". Hell, they don't even have money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm Takuan_Soho said: Also, why are you assuming that those they sacrificed for "rain" were "weak"? Given their happy expressions it looked as if they volunteered for this "honor". >blames others about assuming. >bases his entire argument on a baseless assumption. The basic logic of how narrative is written indicates that its the same reason, as the narrative uses it to parallel the current events with getting rid of Ledo's brother and flashes of Bevel. If we did not have the flashbacks and establishment of Ledo's society's culture of getting rid of the week and IF we did not know that Striker is part of that culture, your argument would *barely* work. As it stands now, its nothing more than bullshit. Takuan_Soho said: Define a cult. Of is it like "fascism" to you, a word for something you don't like? Though I have to admit there is a certain appeal to your way of thinking, it is so easy. Why know the differences, just lump them all together. EVERY. SINGLE. AUTHORITARIAN. REGIME. is based around worshipping of one or few said people as "gods", complete with ceremonies to honor them. Striker's cult is exact same shit, but on more primitive level. Takuan_Soho said: So the moral of this show, according to you is: "Don't be a Nazi". In short, you have proved my point. This show is too simplistic. Or, if you did not ignore the entire show, while trying to prove your point - "social interaction, capability of coexistance and human values are what makes us human". But oh well, please keep being delusional and keep throwing strawman arguments trying to prove of how bad the show is, despite being proven wrong every single week. |
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