Mushoku Tensei II: Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu Part 2 Episode 11 Discussion

Man, I expected people to be mad about this episode, but I was expecting at least a little more intelligence in the arguments. I won't waste my time too much but TLDR version: this is not modern Western/Christian culture, and it has different social norms. Die mad about it.

Also, non-harem polyamoury is the good good, I'm excited for Sylphie to have a wife.

This is another pretty good episode, I enjoyed the drama here, I also loved the part where they were going through the desert and fighting those raptors with that music, kind of felt the adventure there, too bad it was short but I loved it, but this episode is all about the drama which I also loved, and like father like son. Why did Rudy blindfold those guys in the teleporter circle? why doesn't he want them to know about it? this was probably explained in the light novel or something.

Roxy is just perfect but Sylphiette is also perfect and she did a lot for Rudy too and now I'm feeling bad because this may break Sylphiette's heart.

And what's up with all that 1 rating? don't you want Rudy to have a hot threesome with 2 cute girls? are you that jealous? don't worry, I am too.

Nanahoshi had given the map with teleporter ruins to Rudeus only and asked to not share with anyone cause its Orsted personal teleporters and she wasn't supposed to share the knowledge in the first place

Teleportation magic is forbidden so it wouldn't be good if people were starting walking around talking about those ruins. They obviously guessed about teleportation magic but since they didn't see how it works nor the ruins Rudeus thought it should be fine.Well he did also asked not to talk about it just in case

@rasterman7 this how rudy tell about his past life to roxy:

Covering my bottom half with a blanket, I continued to talk.
"This is just a made-up story..."
With that introduction,
I began to talk.
A story of a certain man.
As a fiction to the end.
A man who secluded himself when bad things happened to
him when he was young.
He was close to twenty years old, and lived like trash while
leeching off of his parents.
However, one day, his parents had suddenly died.
That man not only did not go to the funeral, but on the
contrary did the worst thing a human being can do.
Seeing that, his other family members beat him up and
threw him out of the house.
The man had lost everything, but luck brought him to a new
land, and he turned over a new leaf, and devoted himself to
change for the better.

His lifestyle was going well, and he thought that he would
be happy if things kept like this.
But, currently right now, because of a big failure, he let a
person important to him die.
Because of that, that man remembered his parents deaths.
That man only then had mourned his parents' deaths.
I told that kind of story.
The more I talked about this, it felt my heart was spewing
out pus.
I wonder if I just wanted someone to hear this.
Was it something that easy, I wonder?
"..."
Roxy listened quietly.
Not cutting in with agreement, just silently listening.
"What do you think that man should do?"
"..."
Roxy remained silent.
She might not know how to respond when being told such a
story all of a sudden.
There would be no way that she would believe that this was
a story of my life.
She is a wise person, so she may think that there is a
hidden meaning to it.

"...If it was me, I would go to my parents' graves. I don't
think it's too late even now. The same with talking to the
other family members."
"But, the graves and the family members are far away, and
he can't easily go to them. He may also be unable to return.
That man has another life, he made a family in the new
land, and he cherishes them dearly."
"He can't go back?"
"Yes. In the first place, the possibility that he can't go back
is quite high."
Roxy again became silent at that.
But, this time it was short.
"In that case, there's nothing to be done. Now, he should
take care of the family that's in front of him."
Roxy's words were awfully cliché.
They were words anybody could come up with and say.
It wasn't special or anything, just something that was
obvious.
"Even Paul would have wished for you to do so, Rudi."
Roxy said something obvious in a matter-of-fact way.
Self-flattering.
Commonplace words.
Words that she heard from somewhere.
"Please face the future. Everybody is waiting for you."
But, my heart felt refreshed.

Yeah.
It was common.
The death of my parents in my previous life, and Paul's
death as well.
This was something obvious.
There is no choice but to accept that and face forward.
I am living in this world.
And I will continue to live in this world.
Paul's death, and Zenith that became a cripple.
The anxiety of going back and telling that to my waiting
family in the north.
The anxiety of not knowing what to do now.
It was a future full of anxiety.
But, I mustn't run away.
I have no choice but to solve what's in front of me right
now.
Though I do not know specifically what I should do.
I have no choice but to solve them one by one.
Coming to this world, hadn't I already decided?
That in this world, I will live it to the fullest.
Then, I must not turn my eyes away.
No matter what kind of difficulties occur from now on, I will
overcome them.

It's no good if I don't at least that.
Yes, I've realized once again.
Though realizing that, it's not like the pain subsided.
However, I felt that I broke out of something.
"Sensei."
"Yes."
"Thank you very much."
Again, Roxy has rescued me.
Even giving thanks would not be enough.

@Lastnumb3r @nyugvo6

I wish people would stop assuming, reading into situations, and forcing their own personal moral values that exist today on stories where their morality is different than theirs. Even in past human history, people acted in many different ways that today would be considered immoral / wrong to people, but back then it was considered the norm, such as having multiple spouses, which was not seen as immoral or wrong in anyway in the historical past. In fact, in some past historical nations, it was seen as a sign of strength for a man or woman to have multiple spouses or partners.

As a first point, we already saw Sylphie's feelings and thoughts on this issue in previous episodes. Sylphie knew of their family situation, with Paul having two wives, she knew full well how Rudeus was, she might have even known about the situation with Eris. She also considered that one day Rudeus may want to take another wife, although she wanted Rudeus to herself, she was wiling to live with such a situation if it came to that, because she loved Rudeus. Also, if they got back, and Sylphie heard about the situation, she would have understood and even thanked Roxy for helping Rudeus, that's just the type of mature woman she is.

As as second point, Roxy did not rape anyone.

Rudeus was not forced, unconscious, under the influence, or unaware of what was going on. Even at such a low point, Rudeus could have stopped Roxy, but he let it happen, because he also loved Roxy, he even says "I love Roxy just as much as I love Sylphie".

Roxy loved Rudeus, she knew he was married and expecting a child, and she understood what she was doing, but seeing Rudeus in such a state, she honestly wanted to help snap Rudeus out of the extreme dispair and depression that he was in, because he would have never come out of that room, and that's exactly what happened, it helped to clear Rudeus' mind, so he could start to face life again.

The next day, Rudeus knew full well what happened, that he allowed it to happen, and he took full responsibility for this situation, not blaming Roxy at all.

Because Rudeus understood that what Roxy did, was done out of sincere love for him, not out of lust or selfish ambition. Roxy genuinely wanted to be there for Rudeus when he was at his lowest point, to help him recover, as well as to share the terrible burden and grief of losing his father, who Roxy also cared about, and his mother forgetting her own child's existence, which all crushed Rudeus' heart, mind, and spirit, leaving him an empty shell of himself.

Roxy was not trying to get in the way of his marriage, she is not a "home recker", she was there as long as Rudeus needed her on the trip back. She said as much, "I will be your left side, someone for you to lean on in your sorrow and grief, during this trip back".

But when Rudeus, out of love and respect for his wife Sylphie, asked Roxy to stop acting as she was, Roxy did not protest or fight, she out of love and respect for Rudeus, held herself back, which was really hard for both of them, because they sincerely loved each other, and they were both suffering because they wanted to comfort one another.

We also hear Rudeus' thoughts about the situation. He felt terrible for what he did, feeling like he broke his promise to be loyal to Sylphie, but at the same time, he loved Roxy and felt terrible that she was suffering, because she honestly loved him and wanted to be with him too. So Rudeus was considerate of both Sylphie's & Roxy's feelings and thoughts, which speaks well of Rudeus's character, to be so mature and loving, not wanting to treat either female badly.

Elinalise caring for both of them and seeing the situation, knowing that both of them were suffering, did not suggest a selfish or unreasonable thing, she explained it clearly. They, Rudeus Sylphie Roxy, were not followers of the Millis religion, and it was not seen as immoral or wrong to have multiple spouses, except by those in the Millis religion, which was not a factor in their lives. Elinalise's suggestion was to help solve the situation, since they both loved each other and wanted to be together, but both Rudeus & Roxy did not want it to just be an affair or to tear up the marriage. So Elinalise suggested that Rudeus take responsibility for his actions and for Roxy, asking her to be his wife.

Rudeus was seriously questioning if that would even be ok, and he considered whether the two females would be open to such a thing and accept such a situation.

So this was not a selfish, loveless, heartless, thoughtless decision, as if Sylphie meant nothing in their eyes, all parties fully considered Sylphie, and her thoughts and feelings. They all knew that Sylphie would need to know about what happened and that she would need to approve of this and allow it.

And when Rudeus made up his mind to take responiilty for Roxy, whom he honestly loved, and asked her to be his wife, even though it made Roxy very happy, she said, "Ask me again, after you get your wife's approval", which shows that Roxy did not want to break up the marriage or interfere in their lives, she would only enter that situation after Rudeus talked to Sylphie and she allowed it.

Rudeus, Roxy, Elinalise, everything they did was carefully thought out and in consideration of all parties, it was not a reckless or a selfish thing, they all are far better people than you are giving them credit for.

Nothing I said was based on opinion or belief, it is based on actual events, people, relationships in history, so it’s an argument based on evidence.

I never said “full harem”, which is way larger and involves concubines, not the same as a man having couple wives, which was a normal occurrence in ancient times.

It also seems like you didn’t even read my comment, since you complete missed my entire points about Sylphie, Roxy, Rudeus, Elimalise, Millis, what happened in the anime, and not forcing your own ethics / morals on the story.

Da fuk? Roxy, the homewrecker xD

Like when the predator becomes the prey. Well, that sure was a quick way to ruin Roxy's character. Can someone tell me where the strong independent cool-headed Roxy from S1 went? Because I don't recognize this emotionally weak lovestruck middle-schooler.
Well, guess that only leaves Nanahoshi as the only female character I somewhat care about in this show. Looking forward to seeing how the author ruins her character as well.

Also dude, no way you took Elinalise's opinion seriously. Of all people...
Honestly, I kinda expected the approach of these last two episodes to be somewhat sad or even depressing but I'm getting quite the comedy instead. Oh man, Norn is gonna hate MC guts again. Not to mention Ariel and Luke.
Like seriously, do people really like these soap opera-like turns this story takes?

Da fuk? Roxy, the homewrecker xD

Like when the predator becomes the prey. Well, that sure was a quick way to ruin Roxy's character. Can someone tell me where the strong independent cool-headed Roxy from S1 went? Because I don't recognize this emotionally weak lovestruck middle-schooler.
Well, guess that only leaves Nanahoshi as the only female character I somewhat care about in this show. Looking forward to seeing how the author ruins her character as well.

Also dude, no way you took Elinalise's opinion seriously. Of all people...
Honestly, I kinda expected the approach of these last two episodes to be somewhat sad or even depressing but I'm getting quite the comedy instead. Oh man, Norn is gonna hate MC guts again. Not to mention Ariel and Luke.
Like seriously, do people really like these soap opera-like turns this story takes?

You obviously can’t read, or maybe English is not your first language, because you don’t understanding anything I have said.

I never said “fiction is evidence”, I said the evidence was real events, people, relationships in history.

And once again, I am not going by my own opinion, I’m basing my understanding of the anime, by looking at human behavior in history.

Wow, poly relationship that's shown seriously, a rarity in anime IMO. I guess Eris is next.

Man, I expected people to be mad about this episode, but I was expecting at least a little more intelligence in the arguments. I won't waste my time too much but TLDR version: this is not modern Western/Christian culture, and it has different social norms. Die mad about it.

Also, non-harem polyamoury is the good good, I'm excited for Sylphie to have a wife.