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| Ryuu doesn't let anything intimidate him. He's such a role model at the bar, including to Kyouko. I think she can learn a lot from him. Regardless, it feels like this episode got deeper into what Ryuu is capable of beyond just making drinks and seving customers. Impressive for a guy carrying this show. |
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| 6:15 Zarame (ザラメ, 粗目) - granulated sugar; brown sugar. Huh, never heard about this before, cool. This show is making me realize just how intricate cocktails are. |
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| Very good episode with an even nicer last few minutes as a whole focusing on everyone's different interpretations of martinis and in general, their own cocktails and how personalities can be made and shown with those drinks based on the slightest changes from selection of drinks used, to stirring and cooling techniques that can create different aroma and faces, etc. There is more of a overarching story to this version but its nicely paced and still good like the original, explores the drinks and cocktails well. Even the French cuisine chef who wanted the best of the best ingredients from France to live up to his 'promise' as a french chef based on previous experiences with feeling underestimated and looked down upon doing a Western cuisine despite being Japanese in France, got to learn not to underestimate ingredients and origins when he found mirin to be used for his drink compared to a European liqueor which he expected. |
| Sasakura is just awesome it's amazing seeing him talk to the customers and make drinks that suit them i hope he can continue to help Kyouko to become a better bartender. |
| This anime is so enjoyable and cool. I love each episode. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| This episode makes me want to go out to different bars and compare their martinis. Though I'm a little afraid of making headlines: "Otaku was sighted not only touching grass, but also talking to people IRL!!!" |
| I have the feeling that all everyone is all the day drunken. |
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I have the feeling that all everyone is all the day drunken.
| @Groman They must be walking around with a bit of a buzz, regardless of how seasoned drinkers they are. A Martini is not a light drink |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Just wait a minute... How does having good sitting posture indicate that they work at a hotel? No other jobs require good posture...? I don't think the manager even deals with hotel guests, he's usually at his desk trying to meet the unreasonable demands of the owner... Every time I try to get into it, little things like this pop up and take me out. Why would he say something strange like that? |
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Just wait a minute... How does having good sitting posture indicate that they work at a hotel? No other jobs require good posture...? I don't think the manager even deals with hotel guests, he's usually at his desk trying to meet the unreasonable demands of the owner...
Every time I try to get into it, little things like this pop up and take me out. Why would he say something strange like that?
Every time I try to get into it, little things like this pop up and take me out. Why would he say something strange like that?
| @perseii It's the terrible writing in this show. It throws ridiculous absolutes that gullible people will eat it like candy without a second thought. The author tries so hard to make Sasakura some sort of smart and knowledegabe guy in his 20s but it fails miserably with cheap profiling. Sasakura's "gotcha" moments and everyone in the cast buying his BS remind me of this _____________________________ There's a signature mottif from music manga and anime. The whole scham of "finding your identity" as a musician. The author is doing a verbatim copy in this with drinks, which feels very cheap. I admit I'm not some boozehound that can recognize drinks from their smell, color or aftertaste, but I find it quite hard to believe that small variations from something that's just mix the correct ratios and shake/stirr can procure such a miriad of flavors and failures. With cooking/baking I would totally understand given how many techniques and variables with heat and utensils and procedures are there to even make the most simple grilled steak. But with drinks? I feel like the author is just writing in the wrong demographic publisher and should try something more over the top like shonen publishers. DoctorWho4224 said: Bartenders do need to be able to know the profile and body language of a person in order to know what to serve them a lot of the time so that’s probably why it’s included. It would be more believeable if there was some actual magic working in this world. That way at least it could be justified such an asspull. Like perseii said, the manager doesn't even have to deal with the hotel customers on daily basis since he's holed up in his office finding new attractions (staff) for the hotel. Who's going to notice if his back is straight or not? |
KimurahApr 24, 2024 2:52 PM
| Hopefully, this girl manages to make a drink that everyone likes. I liked how she didn't give up and kept working. Hang in there, Kawakami. Well, I think everyone has experienced that strange and fascinating phenomenon where the same recipe, even using the same ingredients and preparation, made by different people tastes different. Whether it's food, cocktails, or coffee, it's the same. Despite being in the industry for so many years, I'm always amazed at how something can taste so different, for better or for worse, depending on who prepares it. |
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| Ryuu is really mean to Kyoko. |
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Kimurah said: I find it quite hard to believe that small variations from something that's just mix the correct ratios and shake/stirr can procure such a miriad of flavors and failures. I don't drink cocktails either, but I think it's entirely possible to add a unique touch, just only for the experienced cocktail connoisseurs with a sharpened sense of taste. I really doubt that any random customer at a bar in Ginza would be that discerning, though. After all, wine tasters and sommeliers are a real thing and can actually differentiate and identify different wine. I don't think it'd be that different from cooking/baking either, just a lot trickier and highly specialized. As for "making your own martini"... yeah, I'm not sure I buy that, unless you're world-class and specifically competing to make creative cocktails (like the new lady bartender said she was). I think most bars would not ask their bartenders to make "a drink with a face"; just make a martini, man, no one's asking you to add miso or something. Honestly I'd be okay with the show pushing it a little bit, if the writer actually put in the work to make it believable. They could emphasize that the bartender girl was working at a world-class establishment, or a special bar that has a reputation for serving one-of-a-kind drinks. Or they could have had a normie taste her martini and notice that it was simply not very good. But they didn't do anything like that, and now I'm again left unconvinced. |
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Ryuu is really mean to Kyoko.
rainbowScarlet said: Ryuu is really mean to Kyoko. I agree. While I do uinderstand not sugar coating teaching, this is the second time he is just being an asshole to her. Like I say before, it seems there is a rule with bartenders to be assholes to each other while teaching. |
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@perseii
It's the terrible writing in this show. It throws ridiculous absolutes that gullible people will eat it like candy without a second thought. The author tries so hard to make Sasakura some sort of smart and knowledegabe guy in his 20s but it fails miserably with cheap profiling. Sasakura's "gotcha" moments and everyone in the cast buying his BS remind me of this
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There's a signature mottif from music manga and anime. The whole scham of "finding your identity" as a musician. The author is doing a verbatim copy in this with drinks, which feels very cheap. I admit I'm not some boozehound that can recognize drinks from their smell, color or aftertaste, but I find it quite hard to believe that small variations from something that's just mix the correct ratios and shake/stirr can procure such a miriad of flavors and failures. With cooking/baking I would totally understand given how many techniques and variables with heat and utensils and procedures are there to even make the most simple grilled steak. But with drinks? I feel like the author is just writing in the wrong demographic publisher and should try something more over the top like shonen publishers.
It would be more believeable if there was some actual magic working in this world. That way at least it could be justified such an asspull. Like perseii said, the manager doesn't even have to deal with the hotel customers on daily basis since he's holed up in his office finding new attractions (staff) for the hotel. Who's going to notice if his back is straight or not?
It's the terrible writing in this show. It throws ridiculous absolutes that gullible people will eat it like candy without a second thought. The author tries so hard to make Sasakura some sort of smart and knowledegabe guy in his 20s but it fails miserably with cheap profiling. Sasakura's "gotcha" moments and everyone in the cast buying his BS remind me of this
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There's a signature mottif from music manga and anime. The whole scham of "finding your identity" as a musician. The author is doing a verbatim copy in this with drinks, which feels very cheap. I admit I'm not some boozehound that can recognize drinks from their smell, color or aftertaste, but I find it quite hard to believe that small variations from something that's just mix the correct ratios and shake/stirr can procure such a miriad of flavors and failures. With cooking/baking I would totally understand given how many techniques and variables with heat and utensils and procedures are there to even make the most simple grilled steak. But with drinks? I feel like the author is just writing in the wrong demographic publisher and should try something more over the top like shonen publishers.
DoctorWho4224 said:
Bartenders do need to be able to know the profile and body language of a person in order to know what to serve them a lot of the time so that’s probably why it’s included.
Bartenders do need to be able to know the profile and body language of a person in order to know what to serve them a lot of the time so that’s probably why it’s included.
It would be more believeable if there was some actual magic working in this world. That way at least it could be justified such an asspull. Like perseii said, the manager doesn't even have to deal with the hotel customers on daily basis since he's holed up in his office finding new attractions (staff) for the hotel. Who's going to notice if his back is straight or not?
| @Kimurah One of the reasons I'm not watching this remake, the original was the same shit as well. |
| This episode really highlights the "learn by watching" vibe of Japanese restaurants. I feel bad for the female bartender. Saying certain foods must be made with specific ingredients from certain regions is silly. Let's not limit ourselves. Beef is good, but hey, we're in Japan. Let's go for the Roku! |
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| I'm still enjoying this show for the vibes (and Miwa), but I'm having the same issues as @Kimurah and @perseii. These characters just say the dumbest things. I am completely unconvinced by all the weak proselytizing and hand-waved miracle-making. The occasional off-model character shots don't help, either. |
| I do not think Ryuu is being mean to Kyouko. I think he is trying to get her a little hot under the collar to ignite a passion to fight back, to learn and to get better as a bartender. He can probably sense this is the kind of push she needs. It kinda related to me back when I was learning to drive. My driving instructor was very nice but he knew when he needed to push me out of my comfort zone. At the time it felt "mean" but in reality it wasn't. He was just helping me move to the next stage of learning. Yuri seems like she has her head on straight and has a good drive as a bartender. I'm sure she and Kyouko could be friends. |
| Get excited, I suppose. |
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Just wait a minute... How does having good sitting posture indicate that they work at a hotel? No other jobs require good posture...? I don't think the manager even deals with hotel guests, he's usually at his desk trying to meet the unreasonable demands of the owner...
Every time I try to get into it, little things like this pop up and take me out. Why would he say something strange like that?
Every time I try to get into it, little things like this pop up and take me out. Why would he say something strange like that?
| To what extent is bartending a masculine profession? From what I see, all the female bartenders on the show are pretty tomboy-ish. @perseii We were not told that this was the only reason. He simply superficially named the root of his conclusion, without going into details. |
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RobertBobert said: We were not told that this was the only reason. If there's no extra information given to the audience nor the characters, then it is actually the only reason we were given. RobertBobert said: He simply superficially named the root of his conclusion, without going into details. His conclusion is vague and lack of any logic to properly connect the dots. It's kinda similar to the principle of Barnum Effect It would be like me saying that all guys named Robert just spill out nonsense and stupid takes. But that's just an overexagerated generalization based on only one sample. |
KimurahApr 25, 2024 7:45 AM
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RobertBobert said:
We were not told that this was the only reason.
We were not told that this was the only reason.
If there's no extra information given to the audience nor the characters, then it is actually the only reason we were given.
RobertBobert said:
He simply superficially named the root of his conclusion, without going into details.
He simply superficially named the root of his conclusion, without going into details.
His conclusion is vague and lack of any logic to properly connect the dots. It's kinda similar to the principle of Barnum Effect
It would be like me saying that all guys named Robert just spill out nonsense and stupid takes. But that's just an overexagerated generalization based on only one sample.
| @Kimurah Are you one of those people who say that they doubt the Earth is spherical because they have never been in space and therefore could not look for themselves? No one is obligated to literally explain every observation or scientific fact to you in detail. Not to mention that your "smart edgy conclusion" is rather based on the scarecrow formed just from the fact that the MC decided that the guest had the bearing of a hotel servant. You yourself declared this to be the main generalization conclusion and you yourself criticized it. |
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@Kimurah Are you one of those people who say that they doubt the Earth is spherical because they have never been in space and therefore could not look for themselves? No one is obligated to literally explain every observation or scientific fact to you in detail. Not to mention that your "smart edgy conclusion" is rather based on the scarecrow formed just from the fact that the MC decided that the guest had the bearing of a hotel servant. You yourself declared this to be the main generalization conclusion and you yourself criticized it.
| @RobertBobert Your argument about flat earthers is the most whataboutism kind of reply. I see why you defend this bartender bullshit comments, since you yourself use such mental gymnastics to try and defend terrible writing and lack of any logical thinking. For someone that has more than 1400 anime shows under your belt, you really love to buy anime bullshit rather than think for yourself. |
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@RobertBobert
Your argument about flat earthers is the most whataboutism kind of reply. I see why you defend this bartender bullshit comments, since you yourself use such mental gymnastics to try and defend terrible writing and lack of any logical thinking.
For someone that has more than 1400 anime shows under your belt, you really love to buy anime bullshit rather than think for yourself.
Your argument about flat earthers is the most whataboutism kind of reply. I see why you defend this bartender bullshit comments, since you yourself use such mental gymnastics to try and defend terrible writing and lack of any logical thinking.
For someone that has more than 1400 anime shows under your belt, you really love to buy anime bullshit rather than think for yourself.
| @Kimurah Sorry, you don't even understand what "whataboutism" means and are just throwing it around like a buzzword. Smart words won't make an argument smart, especially when you get personal so quickly. Don't waste my time until you have real arguments. |
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RobertBobert said: Smart words won't make an argument smart RobertBobert said: throwing it around like a buzzword Hypocrisy at it's finest. No wonder you have that amount of posts in this discussion board. You're the kind of no lifers in this site that will try to make a retort with anything you have at your disposal but actual logic nor common sense. RobertBobert said: Don't waste my time until you have real arguments. You never had a real argument in the first place and got all butthurt and personal because I called out your bullshit in the first place (you even threw a cheap strawman about me allegedly being a flat earther) Sasakura threw a vague "profiling" statement with absolutely nothing to support his barnum effect alligation. There are tons of professions that do require someone with a straight back, not to mention that having a straight back is also a requirement for good health on common basis. |
KimurahApr 25, 2024 8:07 AM
| Another one of Taizo's friends, which just so happens to be the secretary ladies' boss Kamishima, asking Ryu for a favour to help them curry favour with a well-renowned French chef, Yamanouchi, he ends up winding to help them once again. Even when things looked bad, Ryu stepped in to allay fears of the chef enough to win him over to their business. The same lady bartender Kyoko coming back to Ryu's bar for the King of Cocktails, Martini, it's not as simple as pure Beefeater gin and vermouth, but a lot of technique goes into it, along with the accompanying taste that will tell of one's character. And with Ryu bringing both her and Yukari to Hell's Arms, his master Uehara's old confidante to try out a different variation of Martini that's unseen, one of his coworkers, Ginjo Yuri, did the mixing instead to experiment with Gin Martini, thereby teaching her how to mix Martini, the one with a "face", the character of the bartender whom the one is making for. There's a lot of character that goes into alcohol mixing, and it's a great learning lesson. |
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RobertBobert said:
Smart words won't make an argument smart
Smart words won't make an argument smart
RobertBobert said:
throwing it around like a buzzword
throwing it around like a buzzword
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
No wonder you have that amount of posts in this discussion board. You're the kind of no lifers in this site that will try to make a retort with anything you have at your disposal but actual logic nor common sense.
RobertBobert said:
Don't waste my time until you have real arguments.
Don't waste my time until you have real arguments.
You never had a real argument in the first place and got all butthurt and personal because I called out your bullshit in the first place (you even threw a cheap strawman about me allegedly being a flat earther)
Sasakura threw a vague "profiling" statement with absolutely nothing to support his barnum effect alligation. There are tons of professions that do require someone with a straight back, not to mention that having a straight back is also a requirement for good health on common basis.
| @Kimurah So, all you could come up with in response to my request for real arguments was a continuation of ad hominen and a repetition of your original argument? And after that you have the audacity to accuse me of hypocrisy? Dude, you're just pathetic. You are not even smart enough to understand that the MC was most likely talking about some specific bearing, especially judging by the words “you have the bearing of a hotel worker.” It's not that difficult, but you seem special if you have to separately explain simple things in detail. Just don't waste my time with these clumsy attempts at "intellectual" debate. P.S. Before you talk about the Barnum effect, at least try not to abuse it yourself to make offensive conclusions about my life just based on a large number of comments. |
RobertBobertApr 25, 2024 8:23 AM
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RobertBobert said: We were not told that this was the only reason. Ehhh I guess that's possible, but then we're in "anything is possible" territory. Why didn't he tell the whole reason, then? He thoroughly explains everything in other scenes. Also, if the writers wanted to imply that there's something more going on, why didn't they just write the line that way? They could've just added "for one thing..." in front of that line, and it would've been fine. It would've been fine even if they didn't explain how he knew, since we already know he's good at reading people; just give a faint smile and leave it at that. It's not a big deal, but this kind of odd annoyances happened several times already, and it makes it difficult to get on the show's wavelength of exquisite drinks and thoughtful remarks. I'm sticking around because I like learning about cocktails, but the writing doesn't feel as polished as I expected... |
perseiiApr 25, 2024 8:33 AM
RobertBobert said: So, all you could come up with in response to my request for real arguments was a continuation of ad hominen and a repetition of your original argument? Oh please, you made straight insinuation of me being a flat earther. Drop the victim card and the hypocrisy. I also repeated my original statement because you didn't refute it in any way. RobertBobert said: Dude, you're just pathetic. Yet you accuse me of ad hominem? Again, pure hypocrisy. RobertBobert said: You are not even smart enough to understand that the MC was most likely talking about some specific bearing, especially judging by the words “you have the bearing of a hotel worker.” Alright, lets get to the meat of the subject. The whole series so far has been a semblance of a smart bartender that can properly profile his customers and he knows what they want, thus he can serve them "the god glass". In reality Sasaki is nothing but a snake oil salesman throwing barnum effect like a monkey throwing shit at a wall and see what it sticks. The thing is that the author made all the support characters a recollection of "yes men" so all the wild and bogus takes that Sasaki throws at them will be true no matter how ample and nonsensical they will be. If at least someone in the cast would call him out and say "oh no, you're wrong on your guess", it would at least state that he's just making an ample generalization based on his very ignorant conception about what aptitudes and regular bearings an individual of certain profession, such as hotel manager, lawyer or any other would be. The problem here is that the author is making him an undoubtable genius with nothing to support this gift. RobertBobert said: Just don't waste my time with these clumsy attempts at "intellectual" debate. You've been here since 2012 with close to 19k posts. Your time is worthless my guy. EDIT: RobertBobert said: No one is obligated to literally explain every observation or scientific fact to you in detail. Except, he's been pretty verbal and detailed about on previous occasions like the lawyer (even if they are still gross generalizations). Again the show tries to sell a kind of "smart cop" that can profile his clients. A valid explanation towards the audience is expected behind all his bullshit |
KimurahApr 25, 2024 8:38 AM
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RobertBobert said:
We were not told that this was the only reason.
We were not told that this was the only reason.
Ehhh I guess that's possible, but then we're in "anything is possible" territory. Why didn't he tell the whole reason, then? He thoroughly explains everything in other scenes.
Also, if the writers wanted to imply that there's something more going on, why didn't they just write the line that way? They could've just added "for one thing..." in front of that line, and it would've been fine.
It would've been fine even if they didn't explain how he knew, since we already know he's good at reading people; just give a faint smile and leave it at that.
It's not a big deal, but this kind of odd annoyances happened several times already, and it makes it difficult to get on the show's wavelength of exquisite drinks and thoughtful remarks.
I'm sticking around because I like learning about cocktails, but the writing doesn't feel as polished as I expected...
| @perseii It seems to me that you are digging too deep, while the author most likely just wanted to avoid excessive and complex explanations by simply implying things. But thank you for actually trying to think about this, instead of using false intellectual arguments from buzzwords and open attacks when this "unexpectedly" does not work, like some here. |
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RobertBobert said: It seems to me that you are digging too deep, while the author most likely just wanted to avoid excessive and complex explanations by simply implying things The say "Don't Let Your Mouth Write a Check" should be applied here. If the author doesn't want to make more thorough explanations, maybe they shouldn't have opened a complex can of worms in the first place. RobertBobert said: But thank you for actually trying to think about this, instead of false intellectual arguments from buzzwords and open attacks when this "unexpectedly" does not work, unlike some here. You could have said that to my face, rather than "gossip" and seek for validation on someone else. |
| This anime feels like my resting ground~ |
| Another successful week of not drinking alcohol just because a nice anime glamorizes it. This episode we further see how nice of a guy MC is even giving boss-kun the credit. MC in youth looked really depressed, but dead set on "Glass of God". That places owner did not get to see present him who is apparently quite different. He has not achieved that goal, but has achieved the reasoning for it generally speaking. Such a wholesome character other than having a career in poisoning people. I like the diversity of bartenders, I think we have seen all of the youthful 4 in opening now? Sounds like they are going to have a Shokugeki (well, Arukōrugeki) soon. Looking forward to it. 5/5 favorite was seeing emo MC LOL KikiSohma said: I do not think Ryuu is being mean to Kyouko. I think he is trying to get her a little hot under the collar to ignite a passion to fight back, to learn and to get better as a bartender. He can probably sense this is the kind of push she needs. Agreed, it does come off as being mean, but with good intent. He is very kind otherwise which is helpful, looking forward to praise in future maybe. Firing her up to try harder rather than staying in depression lane giving up. |
LilyVarbikApr 25, 2024 3:59 PM
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| I think nothing will change with this anime.. all about making drinks like wannabe Shokugeki no souma, but a way worse.. the anime and idea itself are ok, but the story and characters are boring, the scenery is too static, they could at least show good animation of walking around Tokio between bars.. |
| (づ￣ ³￣)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´｡✪ω✪｡｀) I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;) |
| It's always a pleasure to listen to new stories about beverages even if they aren't actual stories that happened IRL. THey give so much insight into what others might consider just drinks to mull things over. On another note, we got a glimpse at young Ryu being an apprentice and training for the Glass of God. I expect his story to be fully developed by the end (or mostly at least). |
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| Haven't drank Martini for a while. Got to fix that thanks to this episode:D |
| Cool, Martini face?! Vodka or Gin, cold or frozen.... what is your style? kekeke |
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