| I mean as far as backstory goes, we've seen As Nodt's and there will later be a good one for Some of the high tier ones are also interesting from a lore perspective. Regarding the Espada I think only numbers #1-6 got backstories, and I wouldn't really say Grimmjow's or Nnoitra's were meant to paint them sympathetically. I do prefer their characterizations too, but the Sternritter have a lot more varied and interesting abilities. |
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| Definitely not Haschwalth and Bazz-B, just wait 'till part... 4? For their flashback. The main problem here is that it takes way too long for readers (I'm talking about the manga) to feel sympathy for them. As Nodt and Askin are kind of decent, too. Askin doesn't have a backstory per se but I feel like he's the Quincy version of Starrk and Shunsui, very chill guy. |
neffst3rAug 26, 2023 10:17 PM
| They're wasted, for sure. Especially Gremmy. |
HozayfaHB said: The final arc was the most terrible one in the manga. So no surprise here.Alright, here me out lads I need an explanation... the title tells what I want... I have this feeling whenever a quincy appears they're gonna just kick some Shinigami asses, get too full of themselves stubbornly, and once they start to lose they change into edgy and fanatical Motherf***rs... Like take Espada into comparison, each one of them had a motif and background story about why they're like this, we even sympathized with most of them... but Quincy ? Damn I literally hate all of them, you can say even despise them with zero sympathy towards them (excluding Ishida's father and grandfather only) especially the girls (no misogyny intended I swear) Chapters wasted a lot of panels on dragged out fights instead of giving the much sought after explanations. And the novel everyone advertises is terrible and didn't offer anything either. |
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Gavinyeet said: that's a very good point. the fall off from espadas was still crazy though.You’re expecting to much. This is bleach |
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| Yes, they are. Save interesting characters like As Nodt, Bazz-B, Askin etc. the rest are just fodder. No backstory, no development, nothing. Best example is Gremmy. Insanely broken character that gets defeated within the same episode he appears. Nobody gave two shits about him. |
| Nah not really. They are good, but there's no time to tell the backgrounds of all of them. Their motifs are clearly mostly, but only the leaders get more screentime. |
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Chrisx8 said: I think that's something that's mostly explored in subtext, particularly in the idea that this conflict is happening as a result of Yamamoto's arrogance and how this war is a culmination of the Soul Society's failures as an institution coming back to bite them. I def wish it was more directly stated in the text but the meaning is there.midnight643514 said: I used to think the same way back then when I read the manga. But now I find it refreshing. Espada gathered together for their own reasons, they were individualistic in nature. Aizen got them under his control simply because he was stronger than them. But with Quincies, they follow Yhwach because it's their king, they believe in his ideology, and they all bear the same grudge against shinigami. There is really no need for more backstories beside the war 1000 years ago which we got. Also, no need to sympathize with the enemy! I think that it's just something that so many anime/manga taught us to do that we are expecting it to be the same with all the villains. Even though it is not necessary. That said, my personal opinion is that sternritters are not less important to Bleach cast or less interesting compared to other factions, so I don't think they are badly-written. If you still think so, it is okay, since these 'well-written' or 'badly-written' discussions are all subjective anyway. But the biggest part is that even though they’re the “enemy”. It’s never really touched on how the Shinigami are the one who started the war and almost genocided the Quincies. In all honesty the Quincies could be painted as stoic in trying to get their revenge for comrades and restore their beliefs/culture. |
KanataX said: Aizen for example never had any backstory yet he is one of the most acclaimed villains in shonen.tbf quincy are portrayed as pure evil i don't need to sympathise with them when they're killing so many people everywhere don't like this notion where if a villain doesn't have a sad backtory they're badly written |
JudgeRuthless said: Yeah, it was incomprehensibly bad. It goes to show the lack of culture and standards that the current gen of kids have, trying to force this narrative erasure and prop this series up as something far more than it ever was. This arc specifically is glaring with issues.HozayfaHB said: The final arc was the most terrible one in the manga. So no surprise here.Alright, here me out lads I need an explanation... the title tells what I want... I have this feeling whenever a quincy appears they're gonna just kick some Shinigami asses, get too full of themselves stubbornly, and once they start to lose they change into edgy and fanatical Motherf***rs... Like take Espada into comparison, each one of them had a motif and background story about why they're like this, we even sympathized with most of them... but Quincy ? Damn I literally hate all of them, you can say even despise them with zero sympathy towards them (excluding Ishida's father and grandfather only) especially the girls (no misogyny intended I swear) Chapters wasted a lot of panels on dragged out fights instead of giving the much sought after explanations. And the novel everyone advertises is terrible and didn't offer anything either. |
neffst3r said: Aizen literally has the most fleshed out backstory in Bleach outside of the main cast, I'm convinced you don't even comprehend the series you allegedly love.KanataX said: Aizen for example never had any backstory yet he is one of the most acclaimed villains in shonen.tbf quincy are portrayed as pure evil i don't need to sympathise with them when they're killing so many people everywhere don't like this notion where if a villain doesn't have a sad backtory they're badly written |
dior said: "current gen of kids"JudgeRuthless said: Yeah, it was incomprehensibly bad. It goes to show the lack of culture and standards that the current gen of kids have, trying to force this narrative erasure and prop this series up as something far more than it ever was. This arc specifically is glaring with issues.The final arc was the most terrible one in the manga. So no surprise here. Chapters wasted a lot of panels on dragged out fights instead of giving the much sought after explanations. And the novel everyone advertises is terrible and didn't offer anything either. lol, most Bleach fans are 90s/early 00s kids, I'd say 90% are at least 25yo. Zoomers are watching Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer - which I like too. No hate. |
dior said: What his backstory then, genius? What's his childhood origins? Turn Back the Pendulum doesn't count as backstory, neither his goal with the Soul King. neffst3r said: Aizen literally has the most fleshed out backstory in Bleach outside of the main cast, I'm convinced you don't even comprehend the series you allegedly love.Aizen for example never had any backstory yet he is one of the most acclaimed villains in shonen. I love Aizen, to me he's as much as a main character as Ichigo, he has a goal but not a origin story, and he doesn't need to have it. Period. |
| The anime rushes through each episode and basically ignores what little characterization some of the Sternritter had in the manga (for instance the Lloyd brothers got some backstory in the manga, but the anime totally ignored it), so it's not surprising that they come off as badly written. |
Early_MorningAug 27, 2023 10:26 AM
HozayfaHB said: Sussybaka1069 said: people were hyping tybw I thought it was gonna be good but it is mid asf,Arracanar arc was 100000 times better than this shitty arc There's no way to argue with this Arcs of Arrancars, Espada, and Aizen are the best TYBW is an arc meant for fights only, no good or relatable new characters I mean we're getting more characterization for the original cast. Ichigo, Uryu, Rukia and Kenpachi all got interesting development this arc. Mayuri and Shunsui are also gonna get great character arcs later on |
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| Quincy's are like a Third Reich + you don't need a motif or any kind of feeling to feel bad about them afterall they are the villains + the main motif is already told to you since the first arc of Bleach. Ishida hated Ichigo at first because 200 years ago there was the final clash between the surviving Gemicht and most likely some Echt Quincies with Shinigami which ended in mass death of Quincies, leaving Souken, Ryuuken and Uryuu Ishida the "only" last quincies alive. Yhwach used Aushwalen which also killed alot of Gemicht Quincies, aswell as alot of them has died in the first invasion 1 thousand years ago which was said in cour 1, they've got obliterated by original Gotei 13, that's enough of the background for them, no matter if they were present back than or descendants of these invaders. The quincies who were given the flashbacks are As Nodt, Uryuu obviously and Yhwach, aswell as little information were given about Gremmy in manga/light novel [he was kept in tower because of being too dangerous] Spoilers for Cour3/4: The only Espada who were given back stories are, Grimmjow, Nnoitra and Starrk. Tier's backstory is a filler. Barragan and Aporro had too litle of backstory. Ulquiorra past was shown in TYBW manga and I don't think it will be shown there anymore. The amount of Quincies with backstories is literally the same as with Espada. |
ZettaikenAug 27, 2023 6:44 PM
| Bazz B, Jugram, Askin, Liltotto, Gremmy, As Nödt- well written Mask, Quilge, Bambi, Candice, Giselle, - entertaining Everyone else- meh So little less than half the Sternritter imo aren't good BUT numbers wise, there are more of them to like than the Espada depending on your preference. |
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