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Yeah Zeros/prequels are typically written after the original lol. I agree Fate/Stay Night is the best way to get into the franchise. However it's tough to recommend F/SN this day and age (this for a weird reason adds to my enjoyment of the franchise). The adaptation is just too old and out of date for modern fans. So what is the best next thing Zero or UBW. UBW has more spoilers imo so Zero is safer. Remember the Holy Grail War lore can be very daunting.

Because Fate is a visual novel with three routes/timelines, I personally think knowing the back story of the 4th war doesn't hinder the enjoyment of the story. And actually helps, you know what you're getting into. Zero is a constant that always occurs while Night,UBW,HF can change (since they are routes). And then Hollow Ataraxia happens...

I'm assuming we both love the series and have seen Zero,UBW, and Heavens Feel. So it is okay to discuss spoilers here. What do you mean by the "ending". The city gets destroyed and Kiritsugu adopts Shirou. Isn't it beneficial to know that how/when entering UBW. Sure the "mystery" is ruined but Fate is an incredibly complex franchise I think it soothes new fans into it. At least thats how it's been in my personal experience irl.

I don't think tonal whiplash of UBW is that much of an issue since we are dealing with new characters and an incomplete war. They are teenagers who don't know as much as their parents. I do like that Kiritsugu is written similarly to F/SN's Archer. But the inverse could be said, knowing how Kiritsugu ends up makes the audience understand Archer better. The 2 wolves inside Shirou if you will. Again Gilgamesh appearing in UBW/HF makes more sense if you have seen Zero first. Because it isn't explained well why an extra servant is there.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you get into the franchise as long as you enjoy it. There is no definitive way. Just because Gen Urobuchi says it's the best way doesn't mean it's the optimal way. Do you genuinely believe what the author says or do you just agree with him because he is the creator of the work? Because it's the fans decision not the author.

Highly recommend Gigguk's timeline video if you get the chance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzNSWmokCdU&t=837s&ab_channel=Gigguk

Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

I think Fate Zero is better than starting with UBW/Heavens feel. It gives more insight about the lore/wider world like why it's going on in the first place (because it failed in zero) -- Why Gilgemesh is there, More about the Matous, Why Illy hates her dad, Why Einzbern need to be sacrificed, etc...

I also personally think the characters are better (even though I love Rin lol): Rider, Lancer, Berserker. It's just more hype on a broader spectrum. What reasons do you have against Zero being the best introduction?

Shounen horror:
- Corpse Party
- Dark Gathering
- Highschool Of The Dead
- Shiki

Yea I've heard many things about Umineko. You're actually not the first to recommend it to me. On a few other Wonderful Everyday post and videos, people told me I'd like it as well. While I didn't read the VN for it, I LOVED Higurashi, so Umineko seems something that would appeal to me

Back when I first got into VNS, I always immediately dismissed it, as it was one of the "seemingly overrated stories" but I also had that thinking with Muv Luv, and after reading Muv Luv about 2 years ago, it become my 4th favorite of all time. Tho it's funny because at the moment, I'm having the same conundrum as you, with that playing Umineko which is also very long, is something that isn't on my plan to do any time soon. At the moment I'm immersed in the Legend of Heroes/Trails JRPG Series and that itself is about of minimum 500 hours lol. So having another super long thing to play/read is extremely daunting haha

Honestly the only other long side thing I'd be willing to jump into at the moment is Tsukihime. I read the manga way way way back in like 2014, and it was a stellar story, so when I found out it was getting a remake/rehaul a while ago I was pumped AF. But there's no PC port......🙄🙄🙄

nice, a yukari fan
me personally like banki

I assume you didn't watch the Hanamonogatari OVA? Because Kaiki is in it and the story is set after Araragis graduation

Ohh okay!

•Sonic Rush 1 & 2
•Sonic Battle
•Sonic Heroes(YMMV)
•Sonic Generations
•Sonic Mania
•Sonic Advance 1-3
•Sonic Colors
•Sonic Frontiers

Sonic has been on a up and down hill in quality since the early mid 00s sure, but saying Sonic hasn't been good since Adventure 2? Ppfftt either you haven't played these games or you're being disingenuous

Then they should name it
Overthinking-The show : I thought so much the show became good

I like shit like Christopher Nolan cinema so maybe I'll like that Kara no Kyoukai movie but I don't want to jump into more thinks I cannot commit myself to, I'm pretty sure I'm over a year late to that other series I was supposed to be committed to (cough cough)

then guess the dragon scene in the og fate was avant garde

What the ACTUAL fuck is evangelion even about? this shit look like the recent comedy anime

Oh then is bleach avant garde? the manga has the poetry shit intertwined in the plot and stuff

Is Fate avant garde?

what the fuck is avant garde?

I watched a couple of Eva episodes, the main cast was annoying, didn't feel like continuing

Lain cast is bland, but not annoying

I've heard Eva has the same essential story point as lain, you know the infinite tsukuyomi thing, I don't understand the obsession japanese shit has with merging all of humanity's consciousness and blurring the lines between reality, but I sure as well don't care for it