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Aug 18, 2023 10:27 AM
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Drama in the office...

A clash of egos pretty much this episode. It's almost amazing how much emotions these characters can display towards one another. But hey, we do see an apology so it didn't erupt into a violence. 
Aug 18, 2023 11:35 AM
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You know it's pure fiction because real world's customer service won't ever waste their time visiting customer's house.
Aug 18, 2023 12:36 PM
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For an anime set in the future, the characters sure do have a 21st century current 2020s fashion sense...

Edit: better wording
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The first story had a really sad twist; I hope that guy does find a new job. I can't agree with that method at all. They could have just suggested a color shade that would better match the lighting or different lighting, perhaps one with a dimmer switch that can change it to a better shade. But yeah, that job isn't right for him at all.
Aug 18, 2023 12:40 PM
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choukimochi said:
For an anime set in the future, the characters sure do have a 21st century fashion sense...
I think it actually helps anchor it a bit; it allows the viewers to focus more on the technical aspects of the show.
Aug 18, 2023 1:17 PM
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Another really solid Ai no Idenshi episode. I liked the first half of the episode better than the second part. Both stories were overall weaker than the last few weeks but still good.

The scenario with the dad losing his memory is a rough one. On one hand, after all the abuse that the son received from his dad, it must’ve been a little relief to just be able to look at him being quiet lol. But on the other hand, that’s still his dad and he clearly loved him very much.

Was restoring his personality the right choice? I’m not sure honestly. People do grow old, senile and die, obviously not everyone develops Alzheimer’s or dementia, but the point remains we do have a natural expiration date. It’s what makes life worth living in the first place.

What I do know is that the humanoid Japan dude had no business putting his nose in this situation. That decision should be up to the family. Especially if you don’t know them.

I like how this show doesn’t give you black and white situations, but grey ones that really don’t have a concrete answer.

The customer service scenario actually was messed up to watch. Guess even in the future there’s karens like that who just want to attack employees for doing their jobs. I think this one was way more clear cut. A new job is in order. It’s not worth sacrificing your health and peace of mind for some nasty customers who couldn’t care less about you.

Looks like we’re finally getting a confession next week. Looking forward to this 🙏🏾
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Aug 18, 2023 2:02 PM
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Well, I want those robots taking care of all of the Karens in the future. Also....am I the only one not upset at what the granddad did? I can understand him being mad.
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Aug 18, 2023 2:13 PM
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phantomfandom said:
You know it's pure fiction because real world's customer service won't ever waste their time visiting customer's house.
Heck, in most cases, you will never speak with an actual human. LoL
Aug 18, 2023 2:45 PM
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Oh this tangled web of humanity exposed.
No easy answers here. Welcome to the future.
Aug 18, 2023 3:39 PM
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I think the 'Do we offer medical treatment to assholes' question has been pretty firmly established as yes for a while now.
Aug 18, 2023 5:12 PM

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I was already prepared for a major shift in tone from last week's episode but today's stories still managed to upset me a little.
MasterHavik said:
Well, I want those robots taking care of all of the Karens in the future. Also....am I the only one not upset at what the granddad did? I can understand him being mad.
The problem is that the grandpa supposedly had a long history of domestic violence against his son before he injured himself so you can argue that the scene he made after waking up wasn't just him throwing punches because he received a treatment he was stoically opposed to.
In my opinion the humanoid group should have simply stayed in its lane.
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I think the 'Do we offer medical treatment to assholes' question has been pretty firmly established as yes for a while now.
What are you referring to?
Aug 18, 2023 5:32 PM

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I was already prepared for a major shift in tone from last week's episode but today's stories still managed to upset me a little.
MasterHavik said:
Well, I want those robots taking care of all of the Karens in the future. Also....am I the only one not upset at what the granddad did? I can understand him being mad.
The problem is that the grandpa supposedly had a long history of domestic violence against his son before he injured himself so you can argue that the scene he made after waking up wasn't just him throwing punches because he received a treatment he was stoically opposed to.
In my opinion the humanoid group should have simply stayed in its lane.
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I think the 'Do we offer medical treatment to assholes' question has been pretty firmly established as yes for a while now.
What are you referring to?
As a communication and Media major, that media group legit was just looking for a story. That was a good story it was really tense.
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MasterHavik said:
Avvenirista said:
I was already prepared for a major shift in tone from last week's episode but today's stories still managed to upset me a little.
The problem is that the grandpa supposedly had a long history of domestic violence against his son before he injured himself so you can argue that the scene he made after waking up wasn't just him throwing punches because he received a treatment he was stoically opposed to.
In my opinion the humanoid group should have simply stayed in its lane.
What are you referring to?
As a communication and Media major, that media group legit was just looking for a story. That was a good story it was really tense.
I do agree that it was a good story (for advancing the group's goals), however the group's representative moved way too fast and ignored a couple red flags about the old man and his family so in the end everything backfired at him.
Aug 18, 2023 6:42 PM

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MasterHavik said:
As a communication and Media major, that media group legit was just looking for a story. That was a good story it was really tense.
I do agree that it was a good story (for advancing the group's goals), however the group's representative moved way too fast and ignored a couple red flags about the old man and his family so in the end everything backfired at him.
Seems even in the future not doing background check or proper research will still be things people struggle with.
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  • This episode consists of chapter 27 and 28 of the source material. As usual, the subtitle of the episode is different from those of the source.
  • Apart from the SF settings, I think there would be similar stories to the first part. For example, "a story of a murderer who lost his memory" or something like that.
  • As for the second part, the theme would stem from the question "do humanoids really have mind?". If a person admits humanoids' dignity equal to those he has against human, he would respect humanoids' mind too. The show throws the audience similar questions in different styles like questionnaires that are made carefully. If your opinion is not firm enough, you may react contradictorily. The same things would be seen in a variety of discrimination around us as well.
Aug 18, 2023 8:44 PM

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Michi AI seems a bit sus as its reviewing its own upgrades. And I sense a foreboding of things not feeling quite right here. Not to mention earlier in the series with the black market hacks. its one of those palpable situations where you feel something is off but cant quite understand what it is.
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Aug 18, 2023 10:36 PM
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D R A M A

I didn't expect the theme of stress and anxiety to be shown in that way, I liked it.

I also worked in a call center and I can say that those jobs are really horrible, for your mental health: stay away from those places, it's fucking hell.

A conservative father who mistreats his son? definitely a latam moment 🚬
Aug 18, 2023 10:50 PM

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I had a feeling that old geezer was abusive in some way. I was right unfortunately for the family. Not sure the humanoid rights guy was in the right, he seemed more interested in just pushing a message instead of talking more with the family to understand the bigger reality of the situation. He wasn't exactly entirely wrong though, since the family could just you know ditch the old man, just because he's family doesnt mean they have to keep him around them. It's a win win. Though really they could have just asked the old guy when he was in his breifly lucid state after the girl's singing, why was that not tried?

Customer support part I see parallels not just with some people being bothered by automated systems today but outsourcing of calls to some foreigner who often doesnt really have the proper information given to them. Both are hated a lot by some people and I'm one though I don't get pissed off at the people on the line for it just the company itself and whoever trained them.

I couldn't help but laugh my ass off about the robots performances. There was really no need for that, their product is purely digital so it doesn't cost them anything to just help the guy find something that looks right to his eyes.

phantomfandom said:
You know it's pure fiction because real world's customer service won't ever waste their time visiting customer's house.

Japan is a collectivist culture so I could this as possibly being something some companies in Japan actually do.

choukimochi said:
For an anime set in the future, the characters sure do have a 21st century current 2020s fashion sense...

Edit: better wording

Fashion is cyclical anyway. Everything comes and goes.

MasterHavik said:
Well, I want those robots taking care of all of the Karens in the future. Also....am I the only one not upset at what the granddad did? I can understand him being mad.

Being upset is one thing but giving a smackdown over it and scaring the kid? He's obviously an asshole.

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Aug 18, 2023 11:51 PM

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I had a feeling that old geezer was abusive in some way. I was right unfortunately for the family. Not sure the humanoid rights guy was in the right, he seemed more interested in just pushing a message instead of talking more with the family to understand the bigger reality of the situation. He wasn't exactly entirely wrong though, since the family could just you know ditch the old man, just because he's family doesnt mean they have to keep him around them. It's a win win. Though really they could have just asked the old guy when he was in his breifly lucid state after the girl's singing, why was that not tried?

Customer support part I see parallels not just with some people being bothered by automated systems today but outsourcing of calls to some foreigner who often doesnt really have the proper information given to them.  Both are hated a lot by some people and I'm one though I don't get pissed off at the people on the line for it just the company itself and whoever trained them.

I couldn't help but laugh my ass off about the robots performances.  There was really no need for that, their product is purely digital so it doesn't cost them anything to just help the guy find something that looks right to his eyes.

phantomfandom said:
You know it's pure fiction because real world's customer service won't ever waste their time visiting customer's house.

Japan is a collectivist culture so I could this as possibly being something some companies in Japan actually do.

choukimochi said:
For an anime set in the future, the characters sure do have a 21st century current 2020s fashion sense...

Edit: better wording

Fashion is cyclical anyway.  Everything comes and goes.

MasterHavik said:
Well, I want those robots taking care of all of the Karens in the future. Also....am I the only one not upset at what the granddad did? I can understand him being mad.

Being upset is one thing but giving a smackdown over it and scaring the kid? He's obviously an asshole. 

Yeah I rewatch that part a little bit and can see why his son wasn't so keen on healing him. I do wish Sudo said a little more there.
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Having Humanoids be re-programmed by the Super AI Michi, it can be both a good and bad thing, though for one Kenji Goto, this is a rather pressing issue that the Humanoid Rights Japan group under Kakei, wants to promote, but in a sensitive issue that requires Sudo to inspect further.

Kenji's son Satoshi overseeing this experiment, though he's at a position where he's fighting against the Humanoid Rights group wanting to promote the goodness of using Michi, and Sudo with a non-guarantee that Kenji can be re-programmed back to his old state. The surgery goes as intended, though when Kenji awakens, he gets violent, and Sudo has to calm him down with anesthesia to ensure he's fine, and even if Satoshi claims that he's back to normal, it's Kakei who'll suffer the consequences of the actions arising from this.

Re-programming calls about Humanoids wanting treatment from humans, one such Humanoid feels under pressure that he's not able to deliver the requirements of the job as a customer service rep. Especially for customers in the heat of the moment, having humans would appeal the problem, and sure, that act was some kind of cringe drama to make sure the problem is killed on the spot, it's pretty ironic. Even if they were Humanoids to begin with, it's part of the lie with it.

The Super AI Michi getting its own upgrades, it's never a good thing particularly...not all systems nor humans are perfect.
Aug 19, 2023 10:08 AM

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Problems with customers are pretty common. They handled it well.
Aug 19, 2023 11:17 AM

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This show reminds me of Black mirror, but the topic stays the same just with different characters each time outside the Doctor and his Assistant.
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Always interesting the different stories
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So it's implied the grandfather humanoid is upset at his treatment being postponed to gain sympathy but things are not as they seem and he may have been physically abusive towards his own family which is why they kept him in that state of being.
What becomes of "the customer is always right" when human customer care workers are replaced hmmm

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thought old gramps will lose love for his granddaughter singing, but that wasn't the case here, no wonder why they want him disabled
Aug 19, 2023 9:01 PM
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Damn the old gramps is just abusive person?


Perfect solution to handle those Karen type of customers.
Aug 20, 2023 6:33 AM

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What an interesting episode! The first part really made one think if it would have been better if the old man would have stayed in his somewhat passive state, instead of receiving his surgery. After all, while he seemed such a 'good' person to the outside world (him doing charity), to his family he was all but a monster.

The second part really showed how illogical humans can be. We want an apology from a 'human', but in reality...do we? Do we just want to vent out our anger and other negative emotions or satisfy the 'wrongness' we might have felt? The humanoid was right to question that madness. I hope he will find a new job, just so he can quit his current one, but at times, quitting a job isn't that easy...
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I don't like companies forcing someone to use AI, even if it helps. I for sure wouldn't like the chip inside my brain and wouldnt like if govt forced it.

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This show reminds me of Black mirror, but the topic stays the same just with different characters each time outside the Doctor and his Assistant.


That is exactly how I have described this series. Like, the anime version of Black Mirror, but less focused on all the dark. While there are plenty of darker issues in this, there are plenty of more light-hearted SoL-type SciFi stories too. Where in Dark Mirror, there are very few of those moments.
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I can see why the family didn't want the grandfather to receive any type of A.I. treatment as the guy had serious anger issues towards his family. Not to mention that the Humanoid Rights guy was putting pressure on the family seeing it as a humanoid rights issue. The decision whether the grandfather should receive A.I. treatment should have left up to the family. Now they have to deal with an angry grandad all over again. 

The second part reminded how much of a pain in the ass customer service can be and I understand why they would use robots to deal with difficult customers. The whole act in trying to resolve the customer's issue was very over dramatic when they could have offered better options regarding the wallpaper the customer was having issues with. I understand why the humanoid worker wanted to quit after suffering from stress and anxiety from dealing with difficult customers frequently. It just seems pointless. 
Aug 26, 2023 10:28 PM

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Even when technology can cure someone, it doesn't cure a nasty personality. Sucks for those guys that they have to perform that cruel play for every ticked off customer.
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The theme of this episode was "what's the correct answer?" ? I'm actually not sure this time but seems like it. In both cases the involved people were unsure and didn't know what should they do.
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This series overall sounds like a 4Kids Black Mirror.


First half was a interesting twist. Though nobody asked something important: HOW is that grandpa humanoid a grandpa? Totally nonsense.

- By 1st episode, it seems all this technology is 25 years old, so the old man coundn't be a cyborg with 30 years who raised his (abused) son.

- Did the family adopted a grandpa? Even less sense.

- A full family of humanoids? wtf, why, this is forced like that anime Pluto.


The worldbuilding is weak in this part, they are simply throwing humanoids in any human position without any explanation.
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