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Jul 31, 2022 7:11 AM
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Apparently, Lycoris Recoil’s storyline was initially much darker and “quite severe” to show the “reality of guns” as per the writer/creator Asaura, but changed when director Shingo Adachi signed and made the show lighter so anyone could enjoy.

Maybe it’s the dystopian/psychological genre lover in me… but after reading the interview, I kinda wish they went with the more bleak path??

Any thoughts? Are you guys fine with the current vibe of the show? Or you would’ve liked it more if they went with the original darker route?

https://epicstream.com/article/lycoris-recoil-originally-had-a-much-darker-story-according-to-creator
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Jul 31, 2022 7:19 AM
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Now is not the time for an edgy show, so if it was really that dark, it would get a lot of criticism from kids complaining that the show wasn't as wholesome as they expected. Although I think there would be those who considered this edgyness a sign of the show's maturity. In any case, this show is already a more modern version of Princess Principal, so I don't see much of a difference.
Jul 31, 2022 7:20 AM
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I personally would love the series more if it were darker. Although some might not enjoy it that way, it'd make the anime more captivating.
Jul 31, 2022 7:37 AM
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I also would like the anime more darker but it is also fine as it is. But is it now safe to assume that Chisato won’t die at the end of the anime? There are some serious death flags for her but with that interview I don’t think that they would kill off a main character.
Jul 31, 2022 7:40 AM
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I like both conceptions tbh. I love darker vibes but I love what we have now as well :d
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if its more darker then that means it will be cancelled due to the assassination of former PM Abe anyway so this is better
Jul 31, 2022 7:44 AM
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Thank god it didn't went that way 😌😌
Jul 31, 2022 7:46 AM
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I also would like the anime more darker but it is also fine as it is. But is it now safe to assume that Chisato won’t die at the end of the anime? There are some serious death flags for her but with that interview I don’t think that they would kill off a main character.


It's extremely naive to think that they won't kill a character just because he's in charge, lol. Also, this is a huge spoiler, so no one will tell you about it anywhere until the very end.
Jul 31, 2022 8:01 AM
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RobertBobert said:
ZheM4ster said:
I also would like the anime more darker but it is also fine as it is. But is it now safe to assume that Chisato won’t die at the end of the anime? There are some serious death flags for her but with that interview I don’t think that they would kill off a main character.


It's extremely naive to think that they won't kill a character just because he's in charge, lol. Also, this is a huge spoiler, so no one will tell you about it anywhere until the very end.

of course we won't know it until the end but if they want to make the anime enjoyable for a big audience then killing the main character wouldn't make sense in my opinion. if they plan to do this than they probably would have stayed with the darker tone I think.
Jul 31, 2022 8:03 AM

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I personally would love the series more if it were darker. Although some might not enjoy it that way, it'd make the anime more captivating.

Just finished episode 5. While im really loving this anime, yes i think that i would love that too.
Jul 31, 2022 8:04 AM

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ZheM4ster said:
RobertBobert said:


It's extremely naive to think that they won't kill a character just because he's in charge, lol. Also, this is a huge spoiler, so no one will tell you about it anywhere until the very end.

of course we won't know it until the end but if they want to make the anime enjoyable for a big audience then killing the main character wouldn't make sense in my opinion. if they plan to do this than they probably would have stayed with the darker tone I think.


This will be the very end of the show so it can still happen as part of the final experience. Anyway, I don't think you have anything to worry about until Chisato gets a photo of her wife and the kids, which she will definitely return to when the war is over lol.
Jul 31, 2022 8:46 AM
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I don’t think the anime would be as good if it was darker. It was the reason a lot of dark magical girl shows fell flat after Madoka Magica exploded the genre. It wasn’t the edginess or darkness of MM that made it good, it was the writing. Chisato and Takina’s personalities seem more of a fit for a slice of life/action than a dark action/suspense show. I doubt Chisato’s current stardom would even be a thing if the show was more inclined to death and depression.
Jul 31, 2022 9:14 AM

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Hmm... Since this is an original and they toned down things I'm having doubts about the tragic ending now.

If Chisato becomes popular in Japan, they may not kill her off after all. Drama is unavoidable, but they may choose to avoid deaths simply to cater to her fans, maybe...
Jul 31, 2022 9:28 AM
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I just finished "Akudama Drive" and I think I will never come back to a dystopian gore show, I always heard about edgy animes that try so hard to be deep and miserably fail but never thought they could be that bad.

I'm glad this show has a more positive vibe, it feels more natural since it's not a perfect world and it's also not the worst possible universe to live on.
Jul 31, 2022 9:58 AM
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I can see what this show could gain with being "darker",although the current state of the show is fine but i do like the idea of this show not getting darker per se but take a more serious direction.Because the way the characters has been set up i can defo see it really working
Jul 31, 2022 10:37 AM

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I'm both fine with and enjoying the way it is in our current reality/timeline and would likewise be fine with and enjoy any hypothetical alternative version as well steeped in even grittier content. Luckily, even outside of Lycoris Recoil, there are an endless bountiful canvas of anime which cater to extremes on the "lightest" and "darkest" ends and everything in-between so everyone can theoretically select what they want and something right for them (even something right for them just in that particular time period or even small fleeting moment in their life) and be pleased.

I don't particularly care about the obsession about a series being "light" or "dark". Stories can be reliably and meaningfully imparted in all tones and one isn't necessarily superior.
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I think it may get a little darker. Although I really like the show now, I think they are setting something up for the show to take a turn.
Jul 31, 2022 11:18 AM
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i lowkey wanted the series to be darker even before seeing this interview, so now im kinda sad for what it couldve been... but i understand why theyd make it more approachable
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I wouldn't have minded a darker change of pace occasionally and it's a shame the vision of the writer has to take a backseat for the sake of trying to please everyone.

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I wonder how much darker it would have been. Would that mean more violent scenes or a darker storyline? I'm guessing its probably the former.




Jul 31, 2022 2:25 PM
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They maybe avoid similarities to Gunslinger Girls which had more darker theme from the get-go.
Jul 31, 2022 3:42 PM

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Its very easy to deduce what changes were made

> Takina almost certainly killed the girl in episode 1 she was trying to save
> Chisato most likely a darker back story than " fake heart "
> More brutal fight scenes with blood (like how in ep 5 end they didnt show the Lycoris getting gunned down)
Jul 31, 2022 4:43 PM

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cile-chan said:
Apparently, Lycoris Recoil’s storyline was initially much darker and “quite severe” to show the “reality of guns” as per the writer/creator Asaura, but changed when director Shingo Adachi signed and made the show lighter so anyone could enjoy.

Maybe it’s the dystopian/psychological genre lover in me… but after reading the interview, I kinda wish they went with the more bleak path??

Any thoughts? Are you guys fine with the current vibe of the show? Or you would’ve liked it more if they went with the original darker route?

https://epicstream.com/article/lycoris-recoil-originally-had-a-much-darker-story-according-to-creator


Yuri fans will angry lmao
Jul 31, 2022 5:53 PM

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I honestly would of preferred it if went that way tbh but oh well nothing can do about it lol
Jul 31, 2022 6:14 PM

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This gives off the vibes of Nasu telling Urobouchi to tone down the script for Fate/Zero. Yeah, we got the "less dark" version lol.

Ultimately, I think the only changes seen are that Takina and Chisato's relationship wasn't initially a focal point in the first draft. Also, the gunfights would probably be a bit more grounded. Things like the significant players, how the world is operated by a police force that kills people before they commit a crime, and a cult-like entity that supports people's "talents" including helping those who kill people are unchanged.

CickNipolla said:
Its very easy to deduce what changes were made

> Takina almost certainly killed the girl in episode 1 she was trying to save
> Chisato most likely a darker back story than " fake heart "
> More brutal fight scenes with blood (like how in ep 5 end they didnt show the Lycoris getting gunned down)


Basically all of this, there is no way that the story was changed too drastically from what we have now.
Jul 31, 2022 6:49 PM

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I want to see a version of a "darker" one for me to have any judgment cause the current one is fine, but idk.




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Jul 31, 2022 7:17 PM
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Darker than a teenage girl getting run over and shot to death?
Jul 31, 2022 8:22 PM
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The way chisato is it explains a lot
Jul 31, 2022 11:11 PM
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"The show initially aimed to show the 'reality of guns'"

well I can only assume that aim was thrown out the window lol

In any case, I'd be satisfied with a dark or a happy ending, if the writing is good enough to support it.
Jul 31, 2022 11:37 PM
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I’m glad they didn’t make this show dark (for now anyway). Lycoris Recoil feels so fresh to me in how they portray the environment that our mains work in. The idea of a cafe being a hidden special ops type center is really cool to me, and the dynamic between Chisato and Takina breathes life into my soul lol. Chisato in particular is so full of life and energy, and her character doesn’t feel forced at all; it feels natural, and her dialogue and how she talks feels so real. Props to her VA for that. But yeah, the mix of a light hearted slice of life with action is awesome, and I love how they’re slowly building up the real plot and main antagonist in this anime. Whether or not the show gets darker, I appreciate how this show portrays itself. It’s a breath of fresh air imo
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im happy with the story and vibe they giving off rn but im curious abt how would it be if the show was darker
Aug 1, 2022 1:57 AM
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if its more darker then that means it will be cancelled due to the assassination of former PM Abe anyway so this is better


Not only that.
I actually believe more than that.

Actually, the concept of the Lycoris Recoil story brought by LN writers like Asaura doesn't have to be dark like Urobuchi Gen in "Madoka Magica" or its spin-off, Magia Record," but can be a more elegant dark like what WIT STUDIO is working on together. -same as Nagatsuki Tappei in Vivy Flourite Eye's Song (that's also Aniplex and Tappei is the author of LN), or in Bubble film," for example (even A-1 Pictures together with Shirogumi previously also managed to adapt Eighty Six as it is, and that also comes from Light Novel culture) ...

However, since this is the project where Adachi Shingo-san (Sword Art Online's animator) is making his directorial debut, it is also apparent that Aniplex, Asahi Broadcasting Company, and BS11 "also allowed him" to lead his team at A-1 Pictures and dominate the content against this anime, he does this; he considers not only the events that happened to Abe Shinzo-san "which are too unrelated to him," but also the stories that befell IDOLY PRIDE, Wonder Egg Priority, Selection Project, and of course, Yuna's CV, Kanda Sayaka-san.

It can seem logical, for 5 episodes, all the slice-of-life parts look very much like IDOLY PRIDE, how the characters Chisato and Takina with their own arcs "look more like arcs from Kawasaki Sakura and Nagase Kotono" in IDOLY PRIDE, rather than superheroic arcs like those of isekai, action, or magical girls anime. This does not include the secret that Chisato had in episode 5 (spoiler alert). Apart from that, you can even notice that "there is no significant difference between the atmosphere inside the Lycoris Recoil cafe and Hoshimi Production's dormitory" in the IDOLY PRIDE anime.

However, some will argue that the SELECTION PROJECT also existed before. This is the crucial point; If you notice, Chisato's CV, which seems to be the "main character of Lycoris Recoil," is the CV of Kurumi, the most important egg girl in Wonder Egg Priority (of course you remember, the 4 main characters along with their CVs and how they relate to IDOLY PRIDE, Love Live series, and SELECTION PROJECT all at once, even up to several works done by the Umehara Shota team at CloverWorks previously), where at that time the main character was Ooto Ai with a CV, which is the voice of one of the idol characters from IDOLY PRIDE. But many people forget that one of the original creators and producers of IDOLY PRIDE are people who worked with Adachi Shingo-san for a long time at Sword Art Online. Is Lycoris Recoil the personal feeling of Adachi Shingo-san "for what happened to his friends in the SAO, A-1 Pictures, and CloverWorks teams" as outlined in the anime project along with the world setting and theme brought by Asaura? It should also be noted, that Higehiro (Kadokawa-Pony Canyon, and co-produced DIALOGUE+, although later developments, Pony Canyon and its group, Fujisankei, have even become companies that pay more attention to IDOLY PRIDE than Aniplex and Sony Music except MusicRay'n, which is the producer of IDOLY PRIDE as well as the agency of VA of Ooto Ai and Narumiya Suzu) which incidentally aired after Wonder Egg, can also be produced as is with its darker setting.

When asked, "does the assassination of Abe Shinzo affect it too," I replied, "not only that, but the deaths of Kanda Sayaka-san, VA of Nagase Mana and Yuna in SAO, also affected Lycoris Recoil."
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Sure I like darker approach, there is nothing wrong with darker tone... as long it's good (like Psycho pass was dark (and quite realistic) and I thought was really good). Now the lighter tone is also okay for me but compromising so it would be acceptable for anyone kinda diminish the show. Like that ridiculous bullet dodging thing or using "rubber bullet". So to me light or dark tone is less important, what's important is realistic and when that doesn't mean they have to be violent just make it logical not some bs

The latest ep looks like it's leaning towards that "realistic" approach that I prefer, so maybe it will get better
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Maybe it's just me but there are flags already and I assume that it will be darker in the following eps. Hopefully it won't since I get attached to the characters already lol.
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Soo I hope it will get. A season 2
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Thank god it didn't went that way 😌😌

What do you mean you don’t went that way
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Thank God it was more wholesome, anime fans who constantly need dark/edgy shit are mega cringe.
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While watching I felt like something was off with the story as there were many opportunities to make it more engaging and "deep" but it felt like they deliberately side-stepped doing so every time ("lol jk it was just a TV show guys!" springs to mind).
Kinda sad really, it could've been something special but it just ended up being another waifu-bait, yuri-bait flavour of the month show with pointless slice-of-life filler designed to sell merch.
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Its very easy to deduce what changes were made

> Takina almost certainly killed the girl in episode 1 she was trying to save

Lmao that explains why they randomly tried (and failed) to make her into an actual character near the end.
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It honestly should’ve gone the dark route. This just felt too fluffy. In fact, there’s no doubt that they didn’t have the guts to kill Chisato. This ain’t CSM, lol.
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It honestly should’ve gone the dark route. This just felt too fluffy. In fact, there’s no doubt that they didn’t have the guts to kill Chisato. This ain’t CSM, lol.


If it would have gone the CSM route then characters like Fuki and Sakura would be dead 1-2 episodes at most after their introduction and I wouldn't remember their names, so thank god it didn't went to something similar.
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Animillion said:
It honestly should’ve gone the dark route. This just felt too fluffy. In fact, there’s no doubt that they didn’t have the guts to kill Chisato. This ain’t CSM, lol.


If it would have gone the CSM route then characters like Fuki and Sakura would be dead 1-2 episodes at most after their introduction and I wouldn't remember their names, so thank god it didn't went to something similar.

I meant just Chisato dying. They were too scared to even have that happen and went for a happy end. CSM is just next level tho, lol
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While watching I felt like something was off with the story as there were many opportunities to make it more engaging and "deep" but it felt like they deliberately side-stepped doing so every time ("lol jk it was just a TV show guys!" springs to mind).
Kinda sad really, it could've been something special but it just ended up being another waifu-bait, yuri-bait flavour of the month show with pointless slice-of-life filler designed to sell merch.
CickNipolla said:
Its very easy to deduce what changes were made

> Takina almost certainly killed the girl in episode 1 she was trying to save

Lmao that explains why they randomly tried (and failed) to make her into an actual character near the end.


every lycoris other than the two main characters was pointless past episode like 4
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Animillion said:
Ionliosite2 said:


If it would have gone the CSM route then characters like Fuki and Sakura would be dead 1-2 episodes at most after their introduction and I wouldn't remember their names, so thank god it didn't went to something similar.

I meant just Chisato dying. They were too scared to even have that happen and went for a happy end. CSM is just next level tho, lol

Chisato was never planed to die,you can look at all picture from the ending and you See the spoiler.
But one thing to know.
Original was Fuki the Main Character.
But adachi wants a Character that everybody loves and than was Chisato Born.
Chisato is the reason the Story was Not so DARK.
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Nuckel-Cell said:
Animillion said:

I meant just Chisato dying. They were too scared to even have that happen and went for a happy end. CSM is just next level tho, lol

Chisato was never planed to die,you can look at all picture from the ending and you See the spoiler.
But one thing to know.
Original was Fuki the Main Character.
But adachi wants a Character that everybody loves and than was Chisato Born.
Chisato is the reason the Story was Not so DARK.

if you read the interview, the writer actually said that in the original draft, chisato was supposedly a cold character, and that she would brighten up after meeting takina.

but in the anime, it was the other way around. HOWEVER, we did see in the throwback that young chisato - before she received the mechanical heart - seemed emotionless.
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Thank God it was more wholesome, anime fans who constantly need dark/edgy shit are mega cringe.

well the storyline was about young orphan girls trained to be assassins by a secret organization, so some people (including myself) thought it would be a darker show.

but yeah after reading this interview back when the anime was just getting started, i stopped expecting for it go bleak.

and i agree it was pretty wholesome especially the ending! im content with it <3
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cile-chan said:
Nuckel-Cell said:

Chisato was never planed to die,you can look at all picture from the ending and you See the spoiler.
But one thing to know.
Original was Fuki the Main Character.
But adachi wants a Character that everybody loves and than was Chisato Born.
Chisato is the reason the Story was Not so DARK.

if you read the interview, the writer actually said that in the original draft, chisato was supposedly a cold character, and that she would brighten up after meeting takina.

but in the anime, it was the other way around. HOWEVER, we did see in the throwback that young chisato - before she received the mechanical heart - seemed emotionless.

Yes , since Fuki was First the Main Character Not Chisato.
You must read the Interview from Asaura, He mentioned that He wanted first that Fuki is the Main.
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Animillion said:
It honestly should’ve gone the dark route. This just felt too fluffy. In fact, there’s no doubt that they didn’t have the guts to kill Chisato. This ain’t CSM, lol.

im one of the people who wish it was darker too! but i must say i truly loved and enjoyed lycoris recoil despite it being the complete opposite of what i hoped the anime would be.
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Nuckel-Cell said:
cile-chan said:

if you read the interview, the writer actually said that in the original draft, chisato was supposedly a cold character, and that she would brighten up after meeting takina.

but in the anime, it was the other way around. HOWEVER, we did see in the throwback that young chisato - before she received the mechanical heart - seemed emotionless.

Yes , since Fuki was First the Main Character Not Chisato.
You must read the Interview from Asaura, He mentioned that He wanted first that Fuki is the Main.

omg i cannot imagine lycoris recoil without chisato being the main character 😩 her and takina are the heart of the show <3
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cile-chan said:
Nuckel-Cell said:

Yes , since Fuki was First the Main Character Not Chisato.
You must read the Interview from Asaura, He mentioned that He wanted first that Fuki is the Main.

omg i cannot imagine lycoris recoil without chisato being the main character 😩 her and takina are the heart of the show <3

Even Asaura was impressed at the Character Chisato herself.
He Said in the Interview that was the best decision from Adachi to change this and He thought that this will make Chisato to the most interesting Character in the series.
And i mean it was.
I dont think Fuki has obtain the same amount of fans as Chisato has now. And Adachi wanted that the audience will Love and Care for this Character, since later in the series she became death flaggs on death flaggs and even the entire audience was so afraid that this Character will die in the end.

Btw Here is the Interview with Fuki was before Chisato the Main Character
https://febri.jp/topics/lycoris_recoil_int3_2/
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Show is a million times better not being dark. I mean, realistically, the anime’s current philosophy resonates way more than just “guns kill things, go figure”. It is about appreciating your own truth, and sticking by your guns...no pun intended!
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