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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah yes, Joe has been looking forward to his match against Mack. All those history also came rushing back to him after all these years. On Mack's side, he's also been going through some rough times and with his family. Life can hit hit where you least expected... |
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| Man... that president bastard is really getting on my nerves at this point. He doesn't give a shit about anyone's life and family. He's literally playing with people's lives here and all he cares about is his profit of the company. How pathetic can you be to destroy someone's life like that? Mac and his family are literally his test subjects to be thrown away at the end and move on to the new ones when the time comes. Joe and the Team nowhere are back and running and this time Joe said there'll be no secrets between them and for this last fight with Mac, he's going to wear Chief's gear to honor his kid and his legacy which was really admirable. Yuri is back as well and is going to train him for the fight. Mac finally found out what's wrong with him and how he's behaving all this time. It can really be dangerous for him and his family nearby. But, confronting the president didn't help him in the least, all he could do was listen to what the president had to say because he saved his kid's life. I'm worried about him with what's gonna happen in the upcoming last couple of episodes. |
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| The consolation with Chief mentioning' that Joe will one day go back to the ring, and the true reason why Joe has suppressed himself to painkillers for drugs from the after-effects of boxing. To see Joe recover as well as the grown-up kids supporting him with the renovation of Team Nowhere's gym, all is coming well. Everything is looking as if it's back to the old days with Nanbu, just with the timeskip and without Nanbu around, and the existential sharing of his Nomad journey within these 7 years to everyone involved, coming clean of his tainted past. Working with everyone is Joe's last wish for the impending match against Mac with Chief's Gear, the one last hurrah of the "Gearless" legend. The same could not be said however about Mac, which Yukiko's assistant broke the news to his wife Maya and child Miguel. Of course, Sakuma has to be jogged on stage to make a fine impression on the sponsors behind the BES project. Nevertheless, the set-up match between Joe and Mac is on, and Sakuma is prepared to sacrifice the guinea pig Mac for his gain no matter what, the BES chip implanted within Mac...has already destroyed his family, and now his own humanity. Maya's proposition that ROSCO help with his recovery, but at the cost of their son's treatment. It's a damning indictment that sees Mac confront Sakuma, but fame and recognition got too much of the liar's game, there's simply no turning back for the "fake" hero. Would be interesting to see how the Nomad and Hummingbird story will apply to Joe and Mac, not just by the storybook terms. The match is set, and the Nomad will hum the Hummingbird's song. |
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| Jeez what an episode I feel like one of the two (Mac or Joe) will die in this match. They may both die |
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| they are hyping this last fight like hell! also.. i'm glad that Joe decided to take on Nomad.. cuz he lost his Joe title in his fight with Liu.. and now Nomad wears a gear.. man.. this is hype! |
| For the most I love the main plot of Joe and boxing. I'm too into the subplot of how Shirato will handle, and escape the sinking ship that is this partnership with Roscoe. The Mac situation realization was more soft than I thought it would be. Like a teared book is lot more optimal than physical confrontation. |
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| Man, the atmosphere in the buildup. This show is sooo good!! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Calling it now, Joe and Mac will both die. |
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| Just came here to say Shirato looks so pretty... Turns out Sakuma is no different than those top rated scums who operate deviously in business world. I thought he was more sensible guy when he was introduced, but I guess not. I feel bad for Mac. Even after finding the truth, he has no choice but to keep on going. And it's easy to figure the match will be deathly for him. Same goes for Joe. I wanted Joe to fight w/o gear and remain true to his legend, but, it seems the gear he got from chief fits well in the plot after all. Not bad. |
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| The only prediction that I can make for the final episode is that the Rosco's president will get slammed to hell and back from all fronts. He deserves that and even worse. |
| If there was ever a boxing match that should not be happening, it's this Joe vs Mac one. It's a Greek tragedy waiting to happen in that ring. |
| *Mourning the disappointment of The Promised Neverland season 2.* |
| I feel like I've said this before but this show is so underrated. The build-up for this last battle has been incredible and I hope these last two episodes will live up to that hype. Great episode for such a great anime overall, I can't wait for next week! |
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MitchellMi said: Calling it now, Joe and Mac will both die. I thought this earlier on but am now ccan see just joe dying while Mac ends up back in a coma/vegetable state. |
| Thematically I think it fits better for Joe to live, but I feel like all signs are rushing towards him dying. Gonna be a stressful couple weeks. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| oh nice! only Sachio is the one that not softening-up to Joe other like Oicho already softened-up! but as what Bonjiri said! not once but twice so if they lose Joe the kids lives will be a lot more miserable emotionally so that's why the kids are 50:50 on letting Joe fight. 5/5. |
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| What a fantastic episode, especially the first half. Joe talking to everyone is such an amazing moment and Joe deciding to use Chief's gear almost made me cry man, that was so good. Sakuma needs to get fucking mac timed, what a piece of shit. I hope his assistant will do the right thing and tell Shirato the inhumane shit Sakuma is doing. I really hope Joe doesn't die and I think that's better thematically for this season as well for him to live the rest of his life peacefully with the kids. I also don't want Mac to die though, I don't want him to leave his family behind. But either way, this season has been so amazing so far. Really looking forward to the next episode. |
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| Man. This anime just keeps getting better and better. Loved that episode and was really sad to see it end. I hate having to wait a week for the next episode. My brother and i made the correlation to the fact of symbolism being shown how the story of the hummingbird is being shifted towards joe. I love the contrast in Macs story to joes as well. Seems things are going up for one person and down for the other. I really don't know what's going to happen next and i can't wait to find out next week. |
| Joe might die eh lets see i hope his gear that is a good luck charm of Chief can save him though Oicho x Sachio it seems since Oicho is usually worried about him lets see if Mac can survive too |
| Damn. Joe's death flags couldn't be more notorious after this episode but this said, the way in how Chief's gear was re-introduced as a "lucky charm" might hint at a different fate for our protagonist. We'll see. Overall and leaving the one-dimensional Sakuma aside, this was another pretty nice episode. Joe stopped being "Gearless" to become "Nomad", huh? Can't wait to see him honoring my man Chief next week. |
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| Things are getting better for Joe, but it still looks like his condition is bad, I just hope he will be fine if he attempts the match. And for the whole Mac drama it hurts, it's clear that he's condemned at this point, I just expect him to die at the end, sadly. |
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| Joe, it's okay(THANKS). Although he has it a little complicated, but he is going to fight for the last time with everyone's support. LET'S GO!!! Now, the one who is in a bad situation is Mac, poor guy. Let's see what he will do Very good episode. |
| So the stage is set for the Joe vs. Mac match although Joe would be entering the ring for the last time using Chief's gear. Mac continues to suffer from the effects of the BES system, but Sakuma doesn't care since he tricked Mac's wife into having her husband and son go through with the surgery. Sakuma is desperate to get that military contract for Rosco. I have a feeling that either Joe or Mac is going to die in the ring. "Cuando te quitas la armadura que no te podías quitar, brotan las semillas de la miseria y de la dicha"/"When removing the armor that cannot be taken off, the seed of fortune and misfortune sprout" |
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| Plain beautiful nothing more nothing less. |
| Finally everyone gets closure, it was a much needed episode and honestly not only perfect timing in terms of pacing, but very satisfying and heartwarming. I like how Joe asks everyone to help him decide because he didn't want to make the decision on his own without telling them like last time. Bonjiri not wanting Joe to fight because Joe might die was realistic, it does hurt to think about that possibility. However, Joe wanting to use Chief's gear to fight as himself (and not as Gearless Joe, which is a team) was significant. Additionally, he's doing it because he wants to live and come back home, spending the rest of his life with everybody. I'm crying just thinking about it again. As for Mac's side of the story...his anger is understandable, especially because he just found out about what Maya hid from from. However, I'm sure if he took a step back and really thought about it, he might actually agree with Maya, that saving their son Miguel was the right choice (even if it was at the cost of Mac having to rely on BES). Well, perhaps most of his anger is towards Sakuma, who took advantage of his family's situation so that he could use Mac as a guinea pig. It definitely would've been devastating to hear that he could've recovered through extensive physical therapy instead of having to rely on technology. |
| Changed my mind about the show 7/10 |
| What a stellar episode. |
| "I'm getting the Band back together." - The Blues Brothers (1980) Damn good show. |
| What a good episode. I hope the casa town's people attend Joe's fight or Joe reunites with them in a later episode. Hopefully, ROSCO gets exposed! |
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| At this point, Mac is set to carry on with the fight along with his flaws and his son crying, damn Sakuma is pushing too far with this BeS technology. Team Nowhere has officially reunited, and you know what I'm not complaining as Joe would not be Gearless in his official last fight. I hope that this will be all worth it in the end. And would the Shiratos & Mac's wife Maya be able to make critical moves as the fight draws near? You know we'll know in the next episode. Truly a remarkable arc so far with some few things that I'm uncomfortable with. |
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| Joe's speech made my heart move. I'm glad that they're all back together on good terms. Joe will be fighting the ''Hero'' as his last battle. Kuzama or Sakuma or whatever his name is, is a bastard. Using humans as guinea pigs for his own experiments.. Hopefully we'll see him go to jail in the next 2 episodes. Once again, they tell us a story about the hummingbird. I get it for a bit, but it's still a mystery. |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
I haven't read or watched Ashita no Joe, but that last scene with Joe walking into the city actually felt like it was almost directly taken from this specific Ashita no Joe's picture:  |
| Yuuri is helping with Joe's training and his family fully accepted him back. He's no longer Gearless Joe because now he's his family and Chief fighting along side :') As for Mac, Maya did him dirty but then again she was afraid she would lose both her husband and her son so she took the chance.. Sakuma better pay! |
| Joe really has grown a lot seeing his speech on shedding away his 'gearless' title and using Chief's gear. I really hope neither Mac or Joe dies in the upcoming highstakes fight but I got the feeling they might follow what happened to Joe Yabuki in the end of Ashita no Joe (2). |
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| Joe has finally come clean with everyone. I guess this will be the final match for both Joe and Mac. |
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raiderublaze said: At this point, Mac is set to carry on with the fight along with his flaws and his son crying, damn Sakuma is pushing too far with this BeS technology. Team Nowhere has officially reunited, and you know what I'm not complaining as Joe would not be Gearless in his official last fight. I hope that this will be all worth it in the end. And would the Shiratos & Mac's wife Maya be able to make critical moves as the fight draws near? You know we'll know in the next episode. Truly a remarkable arc so far with some few things that I'm uncomfortable with. Bes technology more like BS technology amirite |
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| Team Nowhere is officially back together bois. Their team reunion was just satisfying and wholesome. On the other hand, Mac's condition is deteriorating rapidly and he finally gets it. That bs tech is hella harmful for him. Seriously Sakuma is such a deplorable asshole. I just can't stand him. |
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| The first part was so wholesome but since this is megalo box i guess the second half had to be like that... wow. I have an uneasy feeling that the both of them aren't going to make it out of this match. Rewatch Edit: Wow I never realized how big these death flags actually were. Well I guess I did in my old post lol. The final battle is truly fitting: Someone who rose to the top without technology, and someone who rose to the top with technology that was faulty the entire time. |
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| This episode was really wholesome, save for the last quarter, I almost hate that it gaslit me into liking not just the season but the whole story. I don't even feel too bad about Joe retiring the same way that I usually would (come on, we remember what a beast a 30-year old Date was in Hajime no Ippo). I just hope that the whole buildup isn't for nothing and that Joe isn't going to die during/immediately after the match, like a certain other boxer in a different story. I'm somewhat surprised that Mac learned the truth, I expected him to go with his full positive attitude for the match with Joe, but the rug was pulled under him. I wonder what kind of mental condition he's going to fight under and if that will work out for the better. |
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| First half of the episode is relaxing, I enjoyed every single bit of it. Sachio is still angry with Joe, but it's way better than before. Now Team Nowhere is at his peak, everybody together, even Yuri. Second half is ultra sad, poor Mac has a terrible backstory, Maya never told him the truth. I don't believe that Sakuma is a manipulator, he is obsessed by getting results and he believed to have saved Mac. Still the Nomad story... I'm really worried. I don't want anyone to die in that "friendly" match. But Joe and Mac are risking their lives! Probably their last match ever, BES is too risky. Like with Joe vs Yuri, it's not important who's gonna win. It's relevant what is going to happen after the match! |
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