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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- That's some poetic art they used for this episode. More Legosi and Haru this episode as usual. Their relationship develop is slow but still worth investing time into. The part where Haru got taken as a hostage was pretty abrupt. Holy shit. I guess anything can happen in this anime. This episode got dark. |
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| All I could say watching that episode was "Oh my friggin' God!" The show was already great but the next episodes will be fire! I thought they would use CG for it but the way Louis' past was shown was just surprising. Those last minutes of the episode were really tense. Orange's gonna nail this arc for sure. |
| No community will be as misunderstood as the furry community. Uh... I guess? |
FabriF said: Could someone confirm if they have adapted that specific scene that was cut from last episode's? Nope, sadly, they didn't, and it seems like it's not going to be shown. |
| No community will be as misunderstood as the furry community. Uh... I guess? |
| suuuuuuper disappointed they still didn't add in the Louis and Bill scene... sighhhhhh Manga included Louis' thoughts regarding Haru in the beginning: Legosi also wasn't holding that bottle/can in the beginning, but instead was holding a flower: it's trivial but anime made it seem as if it was Legosi pushing down the jaguar's head that's hurting him, but in the manga it's pulling his tail lol: some might wonder why wolf can win in wolf vs jaguar well in the manga Legosi thought: "I can't compete with a feline's speed... I need to restrict his movements." in the anime after Shishigumi kidnapped Haru we see their shoes that looks like this: but in the manga they have scales and studs on the tip: the three lions that kidnapped her look a bit different too: and in the manga they look like this: there're also a lot more lions in the room in the manga they also never pulled her up by her ears, just talked to her normally. in the anime they said "heard rabbits with all white furs taste the best" (or something along that line, i watched raws), but in the manga they said "our boss thinks that..." before that line. so it was the boss's idea, not theirs. boss also looks vastly different. in the manga he didn't wear glasses and has scars on his face they cut out the end of the boss and haru interaction and didn't add in some dialogues. it'll probably be in the next episode so i wont post the pictures here (now if THAT got the same treatment as the louis and bill scene... imma be pissed) also the bathtub wasn't in the manga the ones who found haru's shoes and the shishigumi card are just random students in the manga. when the mayor ripped up the shishigumi card, legosi was there to see the whole interaction in the manga when legosi punched louis... louis flew. |
ramenystDec 4, 2019 3:11 PM
| WOW so in the end they really did cut off the louis and bill scene. i'm assuming thats because they want to keep bill sympathetic, since the anime seems to be following a "no definitive rights or wrongs" perspective on the story. they also kind of censored the haru and the boss scene, in the manga he inspected her more creepily, and the bathtub thing didn't happen still i liked the episode. im re-living the chills of my first time experiencing the excruciating pain that is the legoshi/haru ship. good god, i already said this but those two are gonna be the death of me. |
 I AM THE ONE CALLED POWER! How foolish and conceited these humans be... |
| Holy shit, that OST with the Shishigumi sounded a bit like the Pillar Men Theme. |
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| Louis' past was pretty rough, no wonder the guy is such a hard ass. His stature was engraved to him in such a despicable manner, it totally was a shocker that he was and still is a black market animal. Made me furious too like Legosi, that he would not save Haru to save his face. But I understand, he just wants to forget that ordeal, shame. But I understand, this is some form of development by the writers, for Legosi to shine in the eyes of Haru. This is some way to create a sense of heroic situation, so that we would understand why she changed her heart for him. I think, they are trying to build up the love, rather than him straight up confessing his feelings. It's a cliché situation in a romantic anime series, but I like it nevertheless. The fight between Louis and Legosi was nice, Louis seemed to have have had an upper hand though. |
lihle808Dec 4, 2019 8:28 PM
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| God damn shit just got real serious. |
| Wow, they really nailed it when showing Louis' past and how much it still impacts him at the present. Looks like the mayor has the power to practically blackmail Louis into doing what is better for himself: keeping the city at peace and - what I believe - preventing Shishigumi from tarnishing the reputation of the lion species. I can definitely relate to Louis' decision to try to forget about Haru. Instead of telling Legosi that it is for the purpose of covering his past, Louis naturally tells him that it is for the peace of the city (...) Probably a good example of how important the public stance is in a modern society - perhaps as a reference to Japan's tatemae vs. honne concept. I'm quite impressed with how well Louis' fear and conflict were inscribed onto his face. In the end, fear of death and his past may be what have been driving Louis' actions. Or it might be the role that he has been placed into by some people's expectations (probably his adoptive father Oguma) to change the world as a prospective Beastar. Legosi, on the other hand, seems to accept and respect the relationship between Haru and Louis at first. Unaware of Louis' predicament, however, Legosi is utterly disgusted and probably disappointed at his decision not to save Haru. Again, kudos to the anime producers for making Legosi's emotions seem real: Legosi's pupils really turn small and he slightly tilts his head in a "do you even know what you're saying, Louis" attitude. Looks like in this particular situation, Legosi is in a position to prove his strength in a time in which Louis is unable to. So much to analyze this episode xD ___ Btw, anyone noticed that the cheetah (?) who tried to attack Louis was voiced by the same VA for Bakugou/Accelerator? ^^ |
| They say there's no such place... as Paradise. Even if you search to the ends of the earth, there's nothing there. No matter how far you walk, it's always the same road. It just goes on and on. But in spite of that, why am I so driven to find it? A voice calls to me. It says 'Search for Paradise!' " *Wolf's Rain, Episode 30; Kiba* |
| I think this author has some weakness in making a smooth story and it appears as plot holes or unlikelihood from the view point of the audience. For example, it was Juno's sudden defiant behavior for Louis in the previous episode. In this episode, it appeared as the unnecessary criminal declaration by the card and unnatural city mayor's disclosure about the crime to Louis. Of course, you may be able to devise some strained interpretations, those would not convince everyone. |
| MAN DOES THIS SHOW NOT RELENT! Finally showing Legosi's and Louis's confrontation for the right to have Haru...what a tragedy waiting to happen. Louis's past...a treacherous one of slavery in the Black Market, and having to live such a life, having the face the world on such a pedestal, one such to live in survival. Thank God there's someone like Oguma to save him at a time when things are constantly rough, and gave him a second chance at life. Then again, he is still in the face of danger (if concerning the rift between carnivores and herbivores), as proven by Legosi himself, being a Beastar is his only volition to creating a safe environment. With the tension rising within Legosi, he can't wait to confess to Haru, but being in consideration for Louis, he holds back. To make things worse, Haru being kidnapped by the Shishigumi (Lion Yakuza) speaks volumes about the outside world's rift between carnivores and herbivores. Even the mayor Lion knows as much as saving face vs. saving grace, to much of Louis's disdain, go so far as to blackmail him. He practically has NO CHOICE but to go along with it. AND LEGOSI IS PISSED, BUT NONE SO OTHER THAN LOUIS, to protect the peace and save face, rather than stand out against status quo and do what's right. Tragic but fantastic episode to say the least. Lots of things to analyze, but it was a wild ride! |
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| Things got really dark all of a sudden... I like where this is heading to. Only 2 eps remaining T_T I wish they'd show more of the love between Haru and Legosi but maybe they will later.. |
| I don't know how I feel about the artwork for Louis' backstory. It's artistic yes, but at the same time if it were done in the same art style as the rest of the series it would have shown the gravity of the situation even more. I feel like it takes from the seriousness and tragedy by having a picture book art style. But hey, maybe that's just me. Maybe others found it as tragic as depicted in the manga... |
-Ereya- said: I don't know how I feel about the artwork for Louis' backstory. It's artistic yes, but at the same time if it were done in the same art style as the rest of the series it would have shown the gravity of the situation even more. I feel like it takes from the seriousness and tragedy by having a picture book art style. But hey, maybe that's just me. Maybe others found it as tragic as depicted in the manga... For a while I also thought that it lacks visual detail and therefore feels a bit less real. On the other hand, one could also argue that Louis' childhood memories could be the way they were depicted in the anime: rather abstract and subjective. I guess there are always multiple ways to write and depict a story, and multiple ways to view the results xD |
| They say there's no such place... as Paradise. Even if you search to the ends of the earth, there's nothing there. No matter how far you walk, it's always the same road. It just goes on and on. But in spite of that, why am I so driven to find it? A voice calls to me. It says 'Search for Paradise!' " *Wolf's Rain, Episode 30; Kiba* |
| If Legosi goes to save Haru alone that means: a teenage wolf vs grown ass adult lions... Doesn't sound promising at first but he has the power of plot armor on his side! |
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| Things got way more dramatic in just one episode. I wonder how Legosi will save Haru thou. nanimeanswhat said: If Legosi goes to save Haru alone that means: a teenage wolf vs grown ass adult lions... Doesn't sound promising at first but he has the power of plot armor on his side! Who knows maybe that Panda will help him. |
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| So in the end Louis turned out to be just like the rest of the society. Whereas he was thought to change them. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| Damn I really liked the presentation on Louis' backstory, kinda reminded me of Ratchet and Clank style in a way lol. But I feel bad for him, he has to choose between his personal feelings or being the ideal role model operationvalkyri said: Why did the mayor tell Louis the truth about his non-efforts to save Haru? Did he think that Louis would organize a rescue otherwise? Why would he think that, if so? I think it's because Louis being as popular as he is, if he naturally got word of Haru's kidnapping he'd be very open about trying to get someone to save her (like he tried convincing the mayor) and other's would quickly get word of it which is what the mayor doesn't want. By essentially shutting down Louis the mayor is basically taking out one of the biggest issues That or it could be a case where the mayor wants to use Louis as a sort of proxy (again because of his popularity) to carry out the lie about the situation |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| I'm honestly impressed at how this show is able to keep on improving like this episode after episode. The change of artstyle for Louis' backstory looked fantastic and I felt really added some weight to it compared to if it had the same art style as everything else: this is partially because the more minimalist approach leaves a lot more to the imagination and probably reflects Louis' state of mind during the events, but it's also because I don't think the show's CG would have matched that intensity (and I say that as a major fan of the CG in this show). And as for Legosi, I really appreciate that we were given the strength of his convictions in full this episode, not just with Haru but with Louis as well. His decision to confess and move on, and let Haru and Louis be together, was both surprising and unsurprising: surprising because of his rage when he found out a couple of episodes ago, but unsurprising because he always tries to dismiss his desires to maintain the status quo and protect his own position. However, it's interesting and fully understandable how angry he gets when Louis basically says to sacrifice Haru to maintain society's status quo, all the while calling out Legosi for doing the same thing all the time. Legosi's made a brave decision in the face of that, to disregard the status quo and use his full strength or, in other words, to do what Louis both cannot and will not do. Whether that translates into him attacking the Shishigumi is another matter entirely, but that won't change how much I love this character writing. |
| O man, this was intense, really looking forward to the next episode! Looks like things are getting serious now |
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| The animation for Louis' backstory reminds me of those storybook cartoons/animations that I used to watch as a kid. I can't recall any titles now unfortunately. It is like how a child would draw something, very abstract and fuzzy but it's still has impact and incredibly creepy. Imagine giving a child some tools to paint or draw their experience of being sold on the black market. That's what it felt like to me. It was done incredibly well. I cannot wait for next week's episode! The lion mayor is just like most politicians that I've witnessed, they like to cover up things and they are familiar and even close with criminals at times. Louis wants to keep his history of being a black market product away from the public eye so it's also understandable why he is hesitating to help Haru. Also, that Bill and Louis scene was removed :( It might show up as a flashback in future episodes though but the chances are incredibly slim. |
| 臭い- |
| How are people sleeping on this anime is a mystery. Epic Epic I can't wait to watch the next episode. |
| I have to say, it's refreshing to see a protagonist who doesn't take the entire series to admit their feelings to their love. The drama between Louis and Legoshi is just icing on the cake. |
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| I'll give clearer thoughts later but I really love 2 things about this adaptation : Use of different style of animations throughout and also the use of 2D animation for these goofy faces Legosi or Haru makes sometimes though I wish they used the latter more since the manga has some incredible facial expression. Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! |
mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga I feel like theyll put it in a different part of the anime. If not, im fine with it because |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: Anyway, in the grander scheme, it isn't too much of a waste that we never got that scene between Louis and Bill but I guess the payoff in the Shishigumi Arc will just be better or shockier than most would expect ! Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
mar1217 said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him.ttcchen said: Im just afraid that if we don't have the bill and louis scene, that removes the only buildup and foreshadowing we have of the end result of the shishigumi arc. Anime onlys might be like "why is this happening?? This came out of nowhere!! Plot armor!! Deus ex machina!!" And start accusing BEASTARS of things that weren't justified because that's not the case in the original manga True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
ttcchen said: mar1217 said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him.True enough, but I think it is inevitable even with the added information. Personally, I think Louis actions will still make sense even at that point since we've got his back story element out of the window and the encounters at the end with the mayor followed with Legosi which ultimately cement his last decision. |
Gosha32 said: ttcchen said: but wouldnt anime onlys wonder why and where Louis got that thing? But if they added in the scene they'd know that oh! He's always had that thing with him. |
| wow, what an episode.... really, really can't wait until next week! |
| Another great episode! This episode was so thrilling and even had my heart pumping, just like the manga! I really enjoyed how Louis' childhood backstory was presented with a children's book style. It really makes the show stand out. The chapter was also very touching as we see more development of Legosi and Haru's relationship. As an avid reader of the manga, I'm so hyped for more episodes. I don't want to spoil anything for people who haven't read the manga, but I'll just say that the story becomes even more suspenseful and hype! |
| After reading the Bill scene in the forums last week I'm pretty sad they didn't add it. Oh well. At least I know what "actually" happened. Still things got real dark real fast this episode. Louis comes from a much darker past than I ever would have guessed and we got frigging rapey kidnappers taking Haru, |
| Yeeeeeeesh, shit is ramping up real fast. This just keeps getting better and better. Not many shows do this good a job at keeping people on the edge of their seat, and earning it for that matter. In this series I could believe Haru dying is a possibility, and that's very good. Furry Game of Thrones is doing good for itself. A genuinely good seinen, not a shounen masquerading as seinen by throwing in pseudo-philosophy, murder, or rape or other cheap shock factors / faux mature themes, color me fucking impressed. |
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| Ah, I knew that Louis had a dark past, but they represented it really well. The way they use alternative animation is rather perfect, and at this point, I'm perfectly used to the CGI (I mean, it ain't even bad... although, seeing the good stuff reminds me that I really want Land of the Lustrious" to get another season). Man, Legosi needs to give himself more value, I mean, sure, Louis is great to be the Beastar, but pulling out that ninja move was awesome, and confessing when he really puts his mind to it. And yikes... I was expecting more murders at school, not a kidnapping. Well, I hope to see some Yakuza-like HQ beatdowns, 'cause damn, Legosi is becoming a Kiryu! |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| The bear in the anime must be the strongest character I guess. I just wonder how Louis put on his shirt... it was my main question during the episode. |
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| That fight between Legoshi and Louis towards the end was wack lol Also, the cliff hangers are killing me, hngghh. |
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