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Jin_uzuki said: RobertBobert said: Is he the first gay option characters in straight romantic work? Even the completely ridiculous LN like Nyaruko's has such. Not to mention the fact that Hastur broadcasts the same Japanese homophobic stereotypes just like Yuu. If MC was bisexual, then your words could make sense, but this is not the case. Err, what are you trying to say here. Are you talking about Nisaka? Why does the MC's sexuality matters? Who says it does not exist? Very sensitive and rare does not mean that it does not exist. ??? The whole discussion was about how a gay side character who is into the MC is somehow revolutionary. Who was angry? I even mentioned this above when I was surprised that a Western audience ignores the relay of problematic Japanese tropes. Probably because anime discussing legitimate LGBT issues, out in the open like this, in the first place is very rare (In this sense, this episode was actually revolutionary?). Also I doubt half of the people rting it even watch the show or thought about it too much, given how unpopular it is. /a/ discussions for example were a complete shitshow, nothing freaks out people more than genuine transgender characters and LGBT issue being discussed in the open. It matters because if MC are straight, any such character does not have any influence on the romantic relationship of the protagonist. Tomoe was a great character and did a great job with her role, but all her importance for the plot did not turn CCS into a yuri title, since Sakura was streight. At the same time, despite the fact that Utena had the same connection of sexuality with gender, MC was bisexual and it would be a complete lie to call this show “straight”. Revolutionary does not mean "first of its kind". Is this such a big deal? I can understand why the millennials are so hyped about this, but why does the anonymus care so much about this episode? The trans community is also real LGBTQ thing as gay people, and if the show is ready to talk openly about gays, why should anyone be surprised at the appearance of trans topics in it? |
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RobertBobert said: It matters because if MC are straight, any such character does not have any influence on the romantic relationship of the protagonist. Tomoe was a great character and did a great job with her role, but all her importance for the plot did not turn CCS into a yuri title, since Sakura was streight. At the same time, despite the fact that Utena had the same connection of sexuality with gender, MC was bisexual and it would be a complete lie to call this show “straight”. Still confused on what you trying to say and how it relates to what we just discussed sorry. Especially because Yuuta is straight and Toma is... nothing so far? Revolutionary does not mean "first of its kind". Honestly, if you think Yuuta was revolutionary after this talk I don't know what to tell you.He was nice but not anything I haven't see before. I was expecting the usual one side love plot that literally goes nowhere or the usual "he confesses, he gets rejected and then moves on". Is this such a big deal? I can understand why the millennials are so hyped about this, but why does the anonymus care so much about this episode? The trans community is also real LGBTQ thing as gay people, and if the show is ready to talk openly about gays, why should anyone be surprised at the appearance of trans topics in it? You are smart enough to understand why lesbians are more accepted than gays in manga/anime (and uh, real life), you should also understand why something even less understood and more "weird" like trans people is even less accepted. More so the show didn't really talk about this openly before, it had a gay side character that didn't do anything explicit on screen. The moment the topic is brought in the open is when people get uncomfortable, just look how according to some people the show suddenly became "political". |
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Jin_uzuki said: RobertBobert said: It matters because if MC are straight, any such character does not have any influence on the romantic relationship of the protagonist. Tomoe was a great character and did a great job with her role, but all her importance for the plot did not turn CCS into a yuri title, since Sakura was streight. At the same time, despite the fact that Utena had the same connection of sexuality with gender, MC was bisexual and it would be a complete lie to call this show “straight”. Still confused on what you trying to say and how it relates to what we just discussed sorry. Especially because Yuuta is straight and Toma is... nothing so far? Revolutionary does not mean "first of its kind". Honestly, if you think Yuuta was revolutionary after this talk I don't know what to tell you.He was nice but not anything I haven't see before. I was expecting the usual one side love plot that literally goes nowhere or the usual "he confesses, he gets rejected and then moves on". Is this such a big deal? I can understand why the millennials are so hyped about this, but why does the anonymus care so much about this episode? The trans community is also real LGBTQ thing as gay people, and if the show is ready to talk openly about gays, why should anyone be surprised at the appearance of trans topics in it? You are smart enough to understand why lesbians are more accepted than gays in manga/anime (and uh, real life), you should also understand why something even less understood and more "weird" like trans people is even less accepted. More so the show didn't really talk about this openly before, it had a gay side character that didn't do anything explicit on screen. The moment the topic is brought in the open is when people get uncomfortable, just look how according to some people the show suddenly became "political". I want to say that if the work does not imply at least the “possibility” of a serious queer relationship, then we cannot say that the existence of these characters “prevents” the work from being straight romance. You can remember some reverse harem about fujoshi (forgot its name), where MC was at least sexually attracted to her bisexual tomboy best friend and her yuri arc really turned manga and anime into a queer (bisexual) romance, for example. I consider she revolutionary for a sports show that at least formally tried to appeal to a male audience. Yes, his image has tropes that have clearly been added to make him attractive, but he is not yet a fetish character. Even though the show is far from the fantasies of ANN's snowflakes, it was political from the very beginning. Dysfunctional relationships in the family, single mother, child abuse, teenage estrangement, gays and homophobia, etc. LGBTQ themes in such a show are as obvious as yuri scenes in ecchi harem. I can understand people who complained about the ridiculous pandering to the base on Tuesday and Carol, but in the context of this show ... it's kind of naive. |
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| Yu being LGBTQIA+ doesn't come as a surprise, we already knew that. As much as I love Japanese anime and manga addressing these issues and creating a platform for LGBTQIA+, their conversation felt a little out of place and out of character for Maki. Perhaps, I'm being an idiot and judging Maki as a character but I felt like he wouldn't be as open-minded to LGBTQIA+ because he is Japanese, he's a teenager and East Asian families aren't that open to anyone who isn't straight. I think though, it does make sense in a way, he comes from an abusive home, with his sperm donor coming over to beat the fuck outta him and steal their money. Being a victim of that, he probably was able to understand the struggles of other people such as Shou. A large majority of Asian parents aren't really accepting towards LGBTQIA+ people, even their own kids. I have lived in South Korea, Japan, Thailand and Philippines. Thailand and Philippines has the most LGBTQIA+ people, like you will see at least ONE person who is gay in any classroom, office, family, etc and in Thailand, they're everywhere but still oppressed. South Korea and Japan love to pretend they don't exist except in fiction. Still not liking Mitsue tbh, I'm not sure if they want to portray her as someone who is oppressed and is being a little asshole to everyone because she's putting up a strong front but this bitch ain't tsundere. She's just a jerk to everyone. It's really hard to like her but I might change my opinion at the end of this series. |
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| @Bibimbapski You don’t like Maki’s too “adult” monologue, but also don’t like Mitsue’s teenage cynicism, which is shown quite realistically? I agree that she is not the most charismatic character, but it always seemed to me that her low self-esteem and passive aggressiveness as a way to hide it were pretty well depicted. |
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| If you still have some interest in this series, it may be worth reading this article. In this interview of the director / script writer, he said: "I wanted to make a series that is a modern Japanese version of film "Stand by me". The theme is "parents vs children". Tennis club activity was added as an entertainment purpose. Since I'm a twisted mind person and hate serious and eager sports stories, I portrayed it as their hobbies." |
kuroneko99Nov 30, 2019 7:51 PM
| LGBT themes and crossdressing huh... and more centered a bit about Kanako... 4/5. |
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RobertBobert said: KomaDoll said: While I appreciate LGBT+ characters and anime tackling issues related to it, it felt bit heavy handed to me in this ep and went bit too much to educational territory. Not that i hated it, but I prefer more to show not tell. And that talk kinda feltl like main point of today's ep. I preferred more the substle approach the show had in the beginning about Yuu being gay than full on terminology lesson. In other hand the show in general is kinda preachy, someone is having some kind of issue with their parents or themselves, they talk about it to either Maki or Toma and get big speech that makes them feel better. So maybe the show could also ease about that, it's just getting bit repetitive. But i guess we will get more sport focused eps in the future as well. Not that man left to wrap this up though. In fact, I found it even quite offensive. I mean, damn it, the show "turns" a revolutionary gay male character into a trans character, thereby erasing the representation of male homosexuality and indulging Japanese toxic stereotypes that sexuality is related to gender and trans = gay? And the trans audience completely ignores this, because their representation is more important to them than feelings of gay, but cis people? Oh lol, this is one of the most extraordinary things I've heard lately. ? I don't think it's rly erasing I mean author had already figured out these things before showing the anime, the character wasn't changed in fly. I had more issue with show having bit of "educational" moment with it, I felt like it didn't quite fit. Like i it felt like lot of the scene was there to educate audience, not for sake of characters and story. But I don't see Yuu being both nonbinary and into guys away from gay people. |
kuroneko99 said: If you still have some interest in this series, it may be worth reading this article. In this interview of the director / script writer, he said: "I wanted to make a series that is a modern Japanese version of film "Stand by me". The theme is "parents vs children". Tennis club activity was added as an entertainment purpose. Since I'm a twisted mind person and hate serious and eager sports stories, I portrayed it as their hobbies." Is this some kind of joke? I realized for a long time that it’s not an anime about sports at all, but I find a proposal to perceive this anime as exploring the problems of parents and children rather weird, considering how how main teen characters are ideally portrayed and how biased negatively depicted their parents. Stay with me has never been so pandering to a teenage audience. It seems that the collaboration with Okuchi influenced the author so much that he decided not only to adopt his "evil parent" tropes, but to further surpass him in this. @ppellie Do you really think so? This scene was not bad in essence, but in form it was still a mechanical scene where a teenager boy read a speech written by an adult man, as if it was not a teenage anime, but a 19th-century moralistic novel. In general, it seems rather strange to me when you justify the unrealistically adult behavior of characters in some scenes, but insist that the guys are "too young" in others. KomaDoll said: RobertBobert said: In fact, I found it even quite offensive. I mean, damn it, the show "turns" a revolutionary gay male character into a trans character, thereby erasing the representation of male homosexuality and indulging Japanese toxic stereotypes that sexuality is related to gender and trans = gay? And the trans audience completely ignores this, because their representation is more important to them than feelings of gay, but cis people? Oh lol, this is one of the most extraordinary things I've heard lately. ? I don't think it's rly erasing I mean author had already figured out these things before showing the anime, the character wasn't changed in fly. I had more issue with show having bit of "educational" moment with it, I felt like it didn't quite fit. Like i it felt like lot of the scene was there to educate audience, not for sake of characters and story. But I don't see Yuu being both nonbinary and into guys away from gay people. Pondering this episode yesterday and discussing it with other people, I suddenly realized that their "crush theme" essentially just disappeared from the show. In fact, after we got 2-3 scenes connected with this, it was not only not mentioned in the show anymore, we were not even given the slightest nod to it. At the moment, their entire affiliation with the LGBTQ revolves completely around their gender identity. As for the speech, I agree. This is not even the first time - you can see exactly the same “moralizing” during the interaction of the boys with Mitsue, whose courtesy is more like not male friendliness, but sisterly support. I mean, both of these scenes are not bad in their content and purpose, but they feel rather artificial, since it seems that they are more focused on "how to do" this, rather than how a "real teenager did it". |
RobertBobertDec 1, 2019 3:15 AM
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Nieznajomy43 said: HereticHunter said: Let alone how she has the guts to go eat at the home of a poor kid while doing nothing to earn it neither helping with it, unlike Toma who bought the food last time they were on Maki's house. to be fair Toma is "rich", did you even saw his room? some stuff he had would cost easily over 500$ (if they are real or "his" and not from his brother). That doesn't change the fact that Mitsue would go to any boys house and eat there without helping with or earning it. Let's be real here, Mitsue is a parasitical nuisance that loves to force her way in when nobody invited her. (I.E when the boys were having a grill and she assisted while not being part of the team, even the guys asked why was she there) |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
HereticHunter said: Nieznajomy43 said: to be fair Toma is "rich", did you even saw his room? some stuff he had would cost easily over 500$ (if they are real or "his" and not from his brother). That doesn't change the fact that Mitsue would go to any boys house and eat there without helping with or earning it. Let's be real here, Mitsue is a parasitical nuisance that loves to force her way in when nobody invited her. (I.E when the boys were having a grill and she assisted while not being part of the team, even the guys asked why was she there) HereticHunter said: Nieznajomy43 said: to be fair Toma is "rich", did you even saw his room? some stuff he had would cost easily over 500$ (if they are real or "his" and not from his brother). That doesn't change the fact that Mitsue would go to any boys house and eat there without helping with or earning it. Let's be real here, Mitsue is a parasitical nuisance that loves to force her way in when nobody invited her. (I.E when the boys were having a grill and she assisted while not being part of the team, even the guys asked why was she there) not always friendship is about "helping with or earning it", sometimes just "be there" is enough. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.107/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.191/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.108/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.16/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.78/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.65 - Finished) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| @ppellie So, do you think that authors can partially abandon the realistic approach if this helps make the show more progressive? Or did you mean that you do not think this moment is bad, because it does its work well? |
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Nieznajomy43 said: not always friendship is about "helping with or earning it", sometimes just "be there" is enough. Mitsue is not the kind of "friend" I'd want around. She's just the biggest third wheel who's only good at being toxic. If you can name me one positive thing she has done just because "she was there" then you win. (And no, getting in a fight with girls she doesn't know isn't a good thing, specially when she earned that beating. It was all a plot contrivance to try to make us feel bad for her) |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| This episode was good. By the way, can we have a normal parent in this series?! xD |
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EdHaku said: This show is becoming more of a mess with each episode. Can't it just choose one topic to focus on and make an episode around that topic? I mean, Nao was depressed the whole episode, but at the end he's fine and cheering with everyone else? And what about his mommy issues? And I get the message the show is trying to convey, but it's just so "in your face" that it's hard for me to take it seriously, specially in that dialogue when Maki suddenly starts talking about the meaning of life or whatever. It makes it hard to sympathize like that. Also, Mitsue is obviously in the wrong there, pushing those girls out of nowhere. You just feel bad for her because it's from her POV. And pushing those girls wasn't even necessary to begin with. And finally, another character with mommy issues. Whoa. It's funny how this show brings up so many dramas but hardly resolves them. Makes you wonder how they're going to settle it all with 12 episodes, plus all the dramas it will eventually bring up in the next episodes, while still closing the main plot. Wait so the show is getting messier and messier with each episode but the message the show is trying to convey is also incredibly in your face? |
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HereticHunter said: Nieznajomy43 said: not always friendship is about "helping with or earning it", sometimes just "be there" is enough. Mitsue is not the kind of "friend" I'd want around. She's just the biggest third wheel who's only good at being toxic. If you can name me one positive thing she has done just because "she was there" then you win. (And no, getting in a fight with girls she doesn't know isn't a good thing, specially when she earned that beating. It was all a plot contrivance to try to make us feel bad for her) Well, she opposed will of her parents and officially wants to learn how to draw "professionally". As someone whose parents often neglect my hobbies and acted like her parents I found her decision very positive. :) |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.107/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.191/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.108/? - weekly) | Machi and Oboro (Ch.16/? - biweekly) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.78/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.65 - Finished) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
HereticHunter said: If you can name me one positive thing she has done just because "she was there" then you win. She handslapped Shingo before he could ruin Maki's makeup, thereby avoiding a (time-consuming) touch up.. #donttouchaqueensmug  |
| @anyone who put 'hated it' meet me out back, fists ready. FR tho, that representation! Best I have ever seen in an anime. New opponent looks tough, rip, but I believe they got this! on the other hand, things on the home fronts are... a little more... :( As always, looking forward to the next episode! |
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Nieznajomy43 said: Well, she opposed will of her parents and officially wants to learn how to draw "professionally". As someone whose parents often neglect my hobbies and acted like her parents I found her decision very positive. :) I have some friends who want to pursue something related to arts, but their parents thinks it's something useless as well. But like Mitsue, they still want to continue doing arts, and I also think that's very positive. HereticHunter said: If you can name me one positive thing she has done just because "she was there" then you win. Imagine being in a sports team that most of the school thinks is useless because they barely did or win anything. The team literally zero supporters. And then someone else starts to show up to see your practices. Sure, she's mean, but she goes to visit your practice every time. She even goes to one of your practice matches and a barbecue on the weekend even if she said she won't. She also helped you grab info about your opponent. Wouldn't you at least feel relieved or grateful? |
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| Why parents is so KJ here?! It's annoying already ! Btw, What's FTM? Ohhh! They tackle about LGBT community and questioning about life, this anime turn deep already. I really like Mitsue! ❤ Another OA parents, I really hate parents here!! Now I appreciate when parents are always missing in action in other anime. |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
EdHaku said: This show is becoming more of a mess with each episode. Can't it just choose one topic to focus on and make an episode around that topic? Sorry if I'm being rude, but you think people get to choose to have only one problem at a time? EdHaku said: I mean, Nao was depressed the whole episode, but at the end he's fine and cheering with everyone else? And what about his mommy issues? He probably goes through that everyday since even before the first episode began, so why aren't complaining about that? My friends who also have helicopter parents like Nao don't like to talk about them and instead try to have as much fun as they can with us before they go back to "the hellhole" which is their parents. EdHaku said: Also, Mitsue is obviously in the wrong there, pushing those girls out of nowhere. You just feel bad for her because it's from her POV. And pushing those girls wasn't even necessary to begin with. Honestly, I would have done the same thing. You think that the girls would move just by asking them? And while Maki and the group is technically doing something wrong (going to the school to see them even if no one is allowed to), you think the fangirls are any different? EdHaku said: It's funny how this show brings up so many dramas but hardly resolves them. Makes you wonder how they're going to settle it all with 12 episodes, plus all the dramas it will eventually bring up in the next episodes, while still closing the main plot. I've said this before, but I think they shouldn't close the main plot with 12 episodes. It would be way better to have an open ending rather than a rushed closed ending. An open ending can also give the possibility of a second season, which is better. Also, it's still realistic to have a bunch of dramas stacked on top of each other. My schoolmates have similar problems to almost all of the dramas here, and it's hard to resolve them in real life. |
jd2001zDec 1, 2019 5:42 PM
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YamEnele said: Why parents is so KJ here?! It's annoying already ! Btw, What's FTM? Ohhh! They tackle about LGBT community and questioning about life, this anime turn deep already. I really like Mitsue! ❤ Another OA parents, I really hate parents here!! Now I appreciate when parents are always missing in action in other anime. FTM means Female to Male, basically someone who is biologically female identifying as a male. It's a term for a transgender male. The opposite is MTF, which is Male to Female, which is the term for a transgender woman. |
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jd2001z said: YamEnele said: Why parents is so KJ here?! It's annoying already ! Btw, What's FTM? Ohhh! They tackle about LGBT community and questioning about life, this anime turn deep already. I really like Mitsue! ❤ Another OA parents, I really hate parents here!! Now I appreciate when parents are always missing in action in other anime. FTM means Female to Male, basically someone who is biologically female identifying as a male. It's a term for a transgender male. The opposite is MTF, which is Male to Female, which is the term for a transgender woman. ohhh, thank you! that word is new to me.. |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
Nieznajomy43 said: HereticHunter said: Mitsue is not the kind of "friend" I'd want around. She's just the biggest third wheel who's only good at being toxic. If you can name me one positive thing she has done just because "she was there" then you win. (And no, getting in a fight with girls she doesn't know isn't a good thing, specially when she earned that beating. It was all a plot contrivance to try to make us feel bad for her) Well, she opposed will of her parents and officially wants to learn how to draw "professionally". As someone whose parents often neglect my hobbies and acted like her parents I found her decision very positive. :) That has nothing to do with Maki. jd2001z said: Imagine being in a sports team that most of the school thinks is useless because they barely did or win anything. The team literally zero supporters. And then someone else starts to show up to see your practices. Sure, she's mean, but she goes to visit your practice every time. She even goes to one of your practice matches and a barbecue on the weekend even if she said she won't. She also helped you grab info about your opponent. Wouldn't you at least feel relieved or grateful? Not at all, She never stood for support until 8 episodes later when she finally did something. All she did was being at the stairs, murmuring about how terrible they are. The only one of them who heard her trash talking was Yuta who was the most "patient" one. I'm pretty sure that if the team heard her trash talking them, things would have been really different. this_shit_again said: She handslapped Shingo before he could ruin Maki's makeup, thereby avoiding a (time-consuming) touch up.. #donttouchaqueensmug Anyone could do that. And Toma was there too which would have made more sense, but for some reason this anime forgot about him :^) |
CrimsonWandererDec 1, 2019 7:07 PM
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
jd2001z said: Sorry if I'm being rude, but you think people get to choose to have only one problem at a time? What does this have anything to do with what I said? I'm talking about the narrative focus, not the characters problems. jd2001z said: He probably goes through that everyday since even before the first episode began, so why aren't complaining about that? My friends who also have helicopter parents like Nao don't like to talk about them and instead try to have as much fun as they can with us before they go back to "the hellhole" which is their parents. What are you even saying... I meant to ask about what was even the point of him being depressed if that didn't amount to anything at the end? It would be understandable to show one or two scenes of how that affected him and just end there, but the episode gave enough focus to it to the point where him getting over it at the end just make it seem like all that focus was for nothing except filling the gaps in the episode. He is even depressed when everyone is talking in the library. jd2001z said: Honestly, I would have done the same thing. You think that the girls would move just by asking them? And while Maki and the group is technically doing something wrong (going to the school to see them even if no one is allowed to), you think the fangirls are any different? Now you're just being forceful. There was plenty of space for Maki and Yu to stay and record. It didn't necessarily needed to be that spot with those girls. jd2001z said: I've said this before, but I think they shouldn't close the main plot with 12 episodes. It would be way better to have an open ending rather than a rushed closed ending. An open ending can also give the possibility of a second season, which is better. Also, it's still realistic to have a bunch of dramas stacked on top of each other. My schoolmates have similar problems to almost all of the dramas here, and it's hard to resolve them in real life. It's going to close one way or another. Maybe it could be a split cour and have a second season ready, but waiting for an original anime to make success just to create a new season is not common at all. It doesn't even make sense to make an open ending like that. I also feel that they are rushing it a little too much lately, so I doubt it's split cour, but that's just an assumption and I can't predict the future. I'm not saying having drama is unrealistic. I'm saying it's bad for the show to have so many unresolved with just 4 episodes left. MoodBooster said: Wait so the show is getting messier and messier with each episode but the message the show is trying to convey is also incredibly in your face? Yes. What's wrong with that statement? Those are two different things. |
EdHaku said: What does this have anything to do with what I said? I'm talking about the narrative focus, not the characters problems. What are you even saying... I meant to ask about what was even the point of him being depressed if that didn't amount to anything at the end? It would be understandable to show one or two scenes of how that affected him and just end there, but the episode gave enough focus to it to the point where him getting over it at the end just make it seem like all that focus was for nothing except filling the gaps in the episode. He is even depressed when everyone is talking in the library. Oh. Sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you said. I can't say anything about them because I'm not good with these aspects of stories. EdHaku said: Now you're just being forceful. There was plenty of space for Maki and Yu to stay and record. It didn't necessarily needed to be that spot with those girls. Sorry again if I sounded forceful, I'm not used to discussing things with other people (especially online), especially if it's about a show that I can relate to. And for the space to record, yeah, there can be other possible places, but I think they wanted to get the best possible angle for recording his movements. If they went a bit to the right, they would seen his back more which might block his arm movements, and there are also some girls on the left. Also, if Mitsue didn't act as a distraction, the other girls might have noticed them and realised that they weren't girls. EdHaku said: I'm not saying having drama is unrealistic. I'm saying it's bad for the show to have so many unresolved with just 4 episodes left. I still think it's fine for the show to have at least some unresolved problems? It's seriously hard to resolve some the problems in this show in real life, so I think it makes the show more realistic. Sorry (again!) if I'm wrong. I've never been good at determining the pacing for anything I've seen. I'm better at analyzing stuff for what they say rather than how it goes in stories. |
jd2001zDec 1, 2019 7:52 PM
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HectorBlaze said: This episode was good. By the way, can we have a normal parent in this series?! xD I call it "Okuchi's syndrome". Remember his PriPri and Code Geass. @ppellie Well, I can understand her motivation, but they definitely needed to direct this scene as a slasher? |
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Nieznajomy43 said: Well, Make just have more experience about this stuff and Yu is still confused and Maki told there is nothing wrong with that and he isn't weird (in the bad way). He's a little scene-stealer is what he is. Buuut.. I guess it's fine..  Since they finally explained who that guy from episode 2 was. I kept wondering..  It's been bugging me all cour. And like you said.. He opened up about his own doubts of who he is, I think Yuuta felt comfort in that. As well as learning about his attitudes on gender identity. Which also clarifies why he didn't care what people thought when he wore that sun visor back in episode 2.  This episode feels like a continuation of episode 2 to some extent.. HereticHunter said: And Toma was there too which would have made more sense, but for some reason this anime forgot about him :^) I got the sense that Toma felt 'uneasy' being there and so he just started zoning out.. That is, If I'm reading his expression right from earlier in the scene..  I don't think he was paying much attention unless he was spoken to.. |
this_shit_againDec 2, 2019 4:38 PM
Zerity said: Pknoctis said: That non-binary discussion felt kinda out of place. facts, was like what was the need for this at that moment other than to push LGBTQ shit on us And this is why I think the topic was kind of being put in on purpose, so the authors could add their own opinion. Not sure if anyone noticed, but Maki actually told the person struggling with their gender to "wait and see". That's really important, or in fact, the most important point. How often do you see people telling that to each other? How often is it more about choosing something (like something within hundreds of made up genders) and going with it 100% and fighting against others because they don't agree with you or whatever reasons. Wait and see. At one point you will know what's right. Existential crisis are normal thing for a teenager. That's why Maki's answer was great. |
LylaazDec 2, 2019 9:33 AM
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Can we get a spinoff of Yuuta and Maki Nancy Drewing their way from case to case? |
| @youcansmileagain Um ... why did you decide that I am cis gay boy? |
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Fayrin said: I'm sure his talk with Maki helped him a lot though, but I'm worried a bit after that confrontation with his mother. Good thing his sisters don't seem to be as prejudiced as she is, so he isn't really alone there. Oof, that scene was rough. I hope she doesn't come for her daughters next..  |
this_shit_againDec 2, 2019 4:32 PM
RobertBobert said: In fact, I found it even quite offensive. I mean, damn it, the show "turns" a revolutionary gay male character into a trans character, thereby erasing the representation of male homosexuality and indulging Japanese toxic stereotypes that sexuality is related to gender and trans = gay? And the trans audience completely ignores this, because their representation is more important to them than feelings of gay, but cis people? Wait, when did Yuu ever confirm that they're trans? They only said that they can consider themselves non-binary (hence why I'm using they/them pronouns), but that still doesn't feel right. Maki also told Yuu that it's find to wait to figure what they really are, and that they don't need to be in a rush. And even if it's true that he's a trans character, I think it's fine. There's barely any trans representation in anime, I only know of Lily in Zombieland Saga and an anime called Hourou Musuko, and I didn't even know that anime existed until I watched this episode. Also, they never mentioned once about the trans=gay thing? Or the sexuality is related to gender thing? They only talked about the friend of Maki's mom, who was transgender, and how Yuu doesn't really know yet what gender they are. |
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Zerity said: Pknoctis said: That non-binary discussion felt kinda out of place. facts, was like what was the need for this at that moment other than to push LGBTQ shit on us Wow imagine being so homophobic and close minded to think a show is 'pushing LGBT shit on us' if you don't like it don't watch, there needs to be less people like you who don't seem to realize that it's very important to have LGBTQ+ rep even in anime. |
youcansmileagain said: @RobertBobert if you're a straight cis guy, what makes you think you have any say in this discussion? you're simply using gay people to try to justify your distaste for the trans community. Do you think that straight and cis people don't have the right to discuss queer characters? And why do you think that I should justify myself to you? jd2001z said: RobertBobert said: In fact, I found it even quite offensive. I mean, damn it, the show "turns" a revolutionary gay male character into a trans character, thereby erasing the representation of male homosexuality and indulging Japanese toxic stereotypes that sexuality is related to gender and trans = gay? And the trans audience completely ignores this, because their representation is more important to them than feelings of gay, but cis people? Wait, when did Yuu ever confirm that they're trans? They only said that they can consider themselves non-binary (hence why I'm using they/them pronouns), but that still doesn't feel right. Maki also told Yuu that it's find to wait to figure what they really are, and that they don't need to be in a rush. And even if it's true that he's a trans character, I think it's fine. There's barely any trans representation in anime, I only know of Lily in Zombieland Saga and an anime called Hourou Musuko, and I didn't even know that anime existed until I watched this episode. Also, they never mentioned once about the trans=gay thing? Or the sexuality is related to gender thing? They only talked about the friend of Maki's mom, who was transgender, and how Yuu doesn't really know yet what gender they are. This episode turns Yuu into almost a collection of Japanese stereotypes about homosexual men. Starting from the "problems" with gender identity and ending with growth in a fully female family with crossdressing. Not to mention the fact that the authors' alleged sight to the female audience makes such a representation somewhat suspicious. In any way, I would not have a problem if the show fully portrayed they as a bay boy or initially emphasized their gender identity. But in this form, it is too clumsy. |
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| I really don't get the hate for Mitsue, she's now my favorite character of the show. Of course all the bitterness would be because she's constantly criticized in what she likes to do. |
sango868 said: Zerity said: facts, was like what was the need for this at that moment other than to push LGBTQ shit on us Wow imagine being so homophobic and close minded to think a show is 'pushing LGBT shit on us' if you don't like it don't watch, there needs to be less people like you who don't seem to realize that it's very important to have LGBTQ+ rep even in anime. imagine being so close minded that the simple saying of it was out of place makes me homophobic (which im not, gay people dont scare me), also the importance doesnt matter for the show, if it made sense to have like an 7-8 min talk right then I would be fine with it, if u read what i said later to someone else in here u would know this but u dont, its fine to have it but it was just hella out of place then and felt forced which is what i mean by pushing, the second time when the MC and him where talking after the fact I liked, it made sense and I liked what they were saying. Also im not anti-gay cause i dont like LGBTQ, (I love given, banana fish, yuri on ice, and sarazanmai) |
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