| I guess the show made a lot of decisions that get it less attention. If you compare it to Girls and Panzers (which some of the staff did work on) it's easy to understand: - the CG protags, sure it's cheaper but it's less endearing than Gup ever was - since the anime focus on dogfights, and it can't have the combat school excuse, they have to resort to enemy of the week, meaning episodic action which is less captivating than shows that focus on plot - I guess the general non schooly premise with not a lot of characters makes it less remarkable to the moe otaku too That said the shows feels like it could be 24 episodes, so some unexpected twists might happen here. |
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| Cause it's on the more sleep-inducing end of average. The painful kind of mediocre. It looks wonky, nothing in it makes any sense, the characters are not fleshed out or interesting and I didn't make it past episode 3 because of all of that. It's like the opposite of fun for me, and I assume for many others as well. As you said, it isn't terrible, but that's literally the best thing you can say about the show. It should not get attention being as mediocre as it is. There's plenty of anime this season that aren't talked about much but are way better than Kotobuki, like Kemurikusa or Endro. But yeah, the community at large will generally huddle around the few super big titles each season, like Shield Hero, Neverland, Dororo, Kaguya-sama etc... That's to be expected. If you want people to talk to about lesser known seasonals you can either seek out their series discussion forums and just surround yourself with more veteran fans who pick up a broader range of seasonals. |
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| I ignored this anime when I saw that the main girl was wearing a vest but not trousers on the poster. I can't take this seriously. |
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| I am watching it. The airplane dogfights are great, the setting is interesting and I like the music but the writing is horrible. Also the combination of 3D and 2D is hard to watch. Why not have all the characters in 3D? Yes, it would be ugly but at least consistent. |
alshuFeb 6, 2019 1:24 AM
| ...I had not heard of this before since I ignore seasonals, but thanks for putting this on my radar (no pun intended). I might watch it later. I hope it gets dubbed. That can help make it more endearing to me. EratiK said: Honestly, not being set in a school probably gets it points in my book.I guess the show made a lot of decisions that get it less attention. If you compare it to Girls and Panzers (which some of the staff did work on) it's easy to understand: - the CG protags, sure it's cheaper but it's less endearing than Gup ever was - since the anime focus on dogfights, and it can't have the combat school excuse, they have to resort to enemy of the week, meaning episodic action which is less captivating than shows that focus on plot - I guess the general non schooly premise with not a lot of characters makes it less remarkable to the moe otaku too That said the shows feels like it could be 24 episodes, so some unexpected twists might happen here. |
GlennMagusHarveyFeb 6, 2019 1:32 AM
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Grizzziff said: UGH that kills me. This show and similar are the "I'll just have a water" equivalent, but they aren't terrible. I like em even as bland as they are. They unlike the season slams have this ability to make you stop and try to justify your rating systems. I'll even gonna go as far and call them staples. If the bleh but ok didn't pave the way, ((and yes that was fun to say)) [[I'll stop..yay]] then the top tier shows would just disappear in a media format with a garbage majority sum. WE MUST LEARN TO LOVE THE LITTLE GUYS! Not the best but not terrible need our support too! I think people trying to use their media preferences as part of their identity are really killing anime. We need like an AA for fans. Anime Anonymous. Hello, I am Ziffy, and I watch mediocre shows. You do you, but you can't expect other people to willingly seek out mediocrity over greatness, or even just decent-ness. That's just not very rational if you have the option. And there's plenty of shows this season, and every season, that are more enjoyable to me than Kotobuki. Probably at least 20. I don't really see any need to give the 21st or 25th best show of the season a shot just because it isn't the literal worst show of the season. I watch a lot of stuff, but even I know to be pickier than that. Plus as I said, for me Kotobuki is on they lower side of average, being painfully mediocre and not averagely enjoyable. Maybe for you it was 'bleh but okay' for me it was just 'bleh'. There was nothing enjoyable about it, it just made me yawn and wonder about the shitty writing. It didn't fail terribly at anything specific, but it just lacked literally any appealing factors that would make me want to continue with it. Give me one thing I enjoy in a mediocre show and I can ride that thing out for 12 episodes, but if there's nothing, that's not good enough. |
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| I am honesty planning to check it out when it finished airing. Unless someone really can convince me to check it out now. |
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| I find the best way to choose stuff to watch is to ignore ohter people's opinions on mediocrity or greatness and just do whatever. Particularly when I'm told that something is "great", I find myself becoming disappointed about some stuff. I think it's because being told that it's great sets expectations too high. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
Grizzziff said: This anime is average at best. The animation is a little wonky, but its been fun so far! I don't think articles will be singing its excellence anytime soon, but I don't want the little show to get left behind. I won't say its a bad anime; but I'm just wondering how come only the "MIND BLOWERS" ever get any attention. Sometimes, just okay is all you need. YOUR THOUGHTS.. hmmm? As Pullman said, most people don't seek out mediocrity. |
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| Don't seem all that impressive tbh. Only saw the 5 mins and lost interest. |
| The combination of 2D and 3D kinda messes my viewing experience. So I decided to drop it. But the dog fights are amazing tho. |
| This is the first I've heard of the show. I guess it didn't stand out too much on the season chart. |
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I'd certainly disagree. GuP characters were not even half as interesting or endearing as Kotobuki's. While both shows certainly aren't character driven, I feel like Kotobuki girls are better written with more believable personalities and, especially, interactions (which make for a huge part of this show's charm) EratiK said: - since the anime focus on dogfights, and it can't have the combat school excuse, they have to resort to enemy of the week, meaning episodic action which is less captivating than shows that focus on plot A fair point, however plot appears around episode 8 or 9, if it's indeed a 2-cour show (which I doubt tbh) then hopefully this point gets fixed. EratiK said: - I guess the general non schooly premise with not a lot of characters makes it less remarkable to the moe otaku too It's not targetted at moe otaku, it's a show about... dogfighting. Everything in this show, aside girls' outfits, is as realistic as it gets in regards to air combat. It's aimed at true military freaks who will appreciate the realism and attention to details (no other military show had that developed to such degree). Obviously this group is a niche among a niche, so the show will remain less known, which is a damn shame, because it's worth watching just for the banter. dc22 said: Because there are much better shows this season. There really aren't. Dororo is really the only other show that's objectively much better. Everything else is either mediocre, but enjoyable to a lot of people, or at the same level of "goodness" as Kotobuki. firemagnet said: Girls Und Panzer worked because of the amazing way the characters interacted with and played off of each other [...] And because it was our Earth, only just a few steps removed, it captivated any military nerd who's ever wanted to drive or command a tank as a sport. GuP interactions were... as generic and flat as they get in high school anime. I still can't tell the characters apart. I'm not a tank fan, but seeing MCs tanks being all pink and shit immediately killed any sort of immersion. There's also a whole ton of plot armour in this show. It works as a moe school anime with military elements, but not as military show. firemagnet said: [...] when far better works like The princess and the pilot, sky-crawlers, and Area-88 have done far better work both in dogfighting [...]. That's like saying sword fights in LotR are better than in Deluge. They are all so flashy and gaudy, with chaotic camera movements, it doesn't feel like a dogfight, it feels like a bad Hollywood action movie. Kotobuki on the other hand puts 99% of its focus on historically accurate combat and attention to details. It feels like watching old footage from WW2, not a bunch of special effects made to appeal to laymen public. firemagnet said: This anime is, despite using the GuP formula, simply inferior to both GuP, Highschool fleet, as well as (by now) its season competitor, Girly Airforce; Girly Airforce has given us a reason to care, and is busy unfolding a larger set of questions for the audience to ponder as it moves to the close of its first season in preparation for a future second season. Kotobuki simply hasn't done this. It doesn't use GuP formula. As mentioned before, GuP is a moe school show with military elements. Kotobuki is purely military show with moe elements here and there. Haifuri has nothing to do with actual warships. Combat sequences are dull and most of the show boils down to CGDCT, it's closer to K-ON (which is undoubtedly an amazing show) than Kotobuki. Girly Airforce is another moe crap which uses military aspects to bring in military pseudo-otaku - folks who just want to circlejerk over cute girls doing pseudo-military things. None of these shows is even close to Kotobuki in terms of genre, so there's no point comparing them. Furthermore, the last one you've mentioned sucks hard. |
HuggykazeMar 24, 2019 8:48 AM
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Huggykaze said: I'd certainly disagree. GuP characters were not even half as interesting or endearing as Kotobuki's. While both shows certainly aren't character driven, I feel like Kotobuki girls are better written with more believable personalities and, especially, interactions (which make for a huge part of this show's charm) EratiK said: - since the anime focus on dogfights, and it can't have the combat school excuse, they have to resort to enemy of the week, meaning episodic action which is less captivating than shows that focus on plot A fair point, however plot appears around episode 8 or 9, if it's indeed a 2-cour show (which I doubt tbh) then hopefully this point gets fixed. EratiK said: - I guess the general non schooly premise with not a lot of characters makes it less remarkable to the moe otaku too It's not targetted at moe otaku, it's a show about... dogfighting. Everything in this show, aside girls' outfits, is as realistic as it gets in regards to air combat. It's aimed at true military freaks who will appreciate the realism and attention to details (no other military show had that developed to such degree). Obviously this group is a niche among a niche, so the show will remain less known, which is a damn shame, because it's worth watching just for the banter. dc22 said: Because there are much better shows this season. There really aren't. Dororo is really the only other show that's objectively much better. Everything else is either mediocre, but enjoyable to a lot of people, or at the same level of "goodness" as Kotobuki. Also, the sound design is fucking fantastic. Whoever the sound director is really put some effort into it. |
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TheKillerAngel said: Also, the sound design is fucking fantastic. Whoever the sound director is really put some effort into it. This entire show screams "effort" or "passion". I don't care which one, but the amount of work, either direct or indirect, put into Kotobuki is astounding. This show is anything but mediocre... I could name at least 10 more popular shows this season, which are more mediocre, lazily written and much less original than Kotobuki. Pullman said: You do you, but you can't expect other people to willingly seek out mediocrity over greatness, or even just decent-ness. You know... Those words would have more weight if you haven't rated Cowboy Bebop at 10/10. It's the most overrated anime in history, which suffers from a lot of the same issues as Kotobuki. Considering you also watch Endro (which while fun, is just mediocre CGDCT show), I think you have no idea how to differentiate between "decentness", greatness and mediocrity. To sum it all up, you are free to dislike this show, but calling it mediocre just shows how narrow your mindsets and ignorant you are. Comparing this show to stuff like GuP, Haifuri or, oh god, Girly Airforce, is just a joke proving that you guys have no idea what you're talking about and it's better you say nothing, as you obviously cannot stay objective. |
HuggykazeMar 24, 2019 9:03 AM
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| Ignored by who, MAL drones? It's doing very well from what I can see. Mobage girls are even getting a little Youtube anime. Was wondering where all of the moronic comments were coming from and then I realized this was originally posted in Anime Discussion. |
syncrogazerMar 24, 2019 9:14 AM
| What is the fun about ?! It is not good at all. And it has no story If you want more entertaining anime then watch Mahou Shoujo Tokushusen Asuka |
Huggykaze said: TheKillerAngel said: Also, the sound design is fucking fantastic. Whoever the sound director is really put some effort into it. This entire show screams "effort" or "passion". I don't care which one, but the amount of work, either direct or indirect, put into Kotobuki is astounding. This show is anything but mediocre... I could name at least 10 more popular shows this season, which are more mediocre, lazily written and much less original than Kotobuki. Pullman said: You do you, but you can't expect other people to willingly seek out mediocrity over greatness, or even just decent-ness. You know... Those words would have more weight if you haven't rated Cowboy Bebop at 10/10. It's the most overrated anime in history, which suffers from a lot of the same issues as Kotobuki. Considering you also watch Endro (which while fun, is just mediocre CGDCT show), I think you have no idea how to differentiate between "decentness", greatness and mediocrity. To sum it all up, you are free to dislike this show, but calling it mediocre just shows how narrow your mindsets and ignorant you are. Comparing this show to stuff like GuP, Haifuri or, oh god, Girly Airforce, is just a joke proving that you guys have no idea what you're talking about and it's better you say nothing, as you obviously cannot stay objective. okay everyone else has no idea and you're the only one that can accurately judge anime. Now don't quote me again with that nonsense. |
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Pullman said: okay everyone else has no idea and you're the only one that can accurately judge anime. Now don't quote me again with that nonsense. Well, you obviously misjudged this one. I never said you have no idea how to accurately judge any anime, so don't put things in my mouth please, we're not in this kinda relationship. Also, quoting for nonsense. |
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firemagnet said: Actually, it's clear that in terms of battle-narrative, battle coreography, and so on Kotobuki shares much the same formula as GuP. Which is no surprise since the plot basically didn't exist up until this past episode and episode 10. And while I can agree with you about the sound design and music and most of the miscellany, the plot--that is the glue of the show--is subpar, was introduced too late to really matter, and doesn't cover up the fact that up until this and the last episode meaningful character development was almost nonexistent. Yes, obviously the plot is subpar... or it's not really there. However, if it's 2-cour, it can still be saved. I'd disagree about the formula though. There are so many differences between GuP and Kotobuki in terms of formula. First of all Kotobuki ain't about a sports team, it's portrays actual combat and you can feel it - from voice acting through expressions down to reactions of various characters. Additionally, first episode had at least few people dead. They might have been as unimportant as last year's snow, but it clearly showed that it's actual combat. Secondly, Kotobuki delves much deeper into peculiarities of air combat of WW2, as well as aircraft maintenance and preparation (see ep 1). Thirdly, it treats itself more seriously as a military show - episodes are filled with well animated and choreographed action, with animations clearly putting a whole lot attention to historical accuracy. There's much less emphasis on cute girls doing cute things, although it results in not-so-stellar character development. Nothing is pink or decorated like Christmas Tree, even each girl's markings are somewhat historically accurate - not only each squadron had its markings, but US pilots used to paint stuff on their machines. As a side note, it's worth mentioning that, at least in some cases, those paintings represented female forms of their motherships / carriers. And lastly, moe is just a cherry on top, in GuP it's one of main ingredients. |
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