Monogatari Series: Final Season
| So please i beg u don't watch commiesubs cuz the amount of liberties they take with the translation is awful. While it is easier to read there is a lot of localization and downright errors as a whole. During episode 1 they already spoiled the fact the teacher was sitting on Arararis chair. Completely ruining the entire mystery. Also while watching episode 2 i notice a lot of words being taken our and replaced with simpler words. Only reason i know this is because i tend to rewatch in different subs and determine which one is best. |
| True, I usually check out at least more than 2 diferent translations when it comes to this series, and even the fansub groups that claim to be huge fans of monogatari end up making little mistakes on the translation. Also... i got the impression that a some groups are not even bothering to tranlate some animes that are airing, they straitgh up take the translation from sites like daisuki.net. - from HuEland, sorry for any errors with my english. |
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Dracus said: Uh, okay... so what group would you recommend? Crunchyroll, probably |
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SephkaBlight said: stop, as a person who compares many subs commie + shaft is usually most of the time trashAre you trolling? It beats the garbage literal translation with no typesetting that daisuke/crunchy uses and owari being the worst they have been, they even admit to the liberties they take. in fact they decided to sub something that wasnt there just because they read the source material and disagreed with how the anime portrayed a certain scene completely a joke for subs if u wanna watch shitty subs fine by me but others who care about proper subs will care to read this |
| It would be nice if you provided examples of the supposed awful liberties they took. For instance, comparisons of screenshots between Crunchyroll and Commie. How does Commie suck? And maybe replacing with simpler words makes the show easier to understand? Not everyone has a Ph.D. in English. Literal translations from Crunchyroll aren't always the greatest like with Oregairu whereas with Commie's take on the show, the dialogue flowed much more naturally. It depends on the show. |
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| I see no reason for the 'spoiler' of the teacher. It has even emphasized that 'everyone' was there, 'full cast'. The only problem that I've read actually dis-railed (not spoiled anyway) is the supposedly one of the key parts of the mystery, which is the line "The classroom held every student, without exception, of class 1-3" (18:35) which removes the teacher as the suspect as the emphasis is on 'every student'. This was probably lost in translation because what I understood on Koyomi's line was "Everyone from class 1-3 was present" which purposely includes the homeroom teacher. Anyway, that's how most mystery genre stories work. Btw, can you also tell me the time of "During episode 1 they already spoiled the fact the teacher was sitting on Arararis chair" part? I may have missed it or that one was after the conclusion. |
CashdaxOct 14, 2015 1:19 AM
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| That's our usual Commie. CR sub is fair enough. |
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| Daisuki's subs are cancer though. The amount of times they do wrong translations is so high it's not even funny. I'd rather watch Commie. |
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| so... anyone can recommend me which subs i should watch? i am confused here. |
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Urek said: Commieso... anyone can recommend me which subs i should watch? i am confused here. Localization is usually needed in some parts due to Japanese-only jokes (yes jokes, mostly not even needed for the plot), literal translation is actually not recommended with Monogatari series. |
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mugi said: What do you mean 1 show? They've done plenty of shows (This goes to both mono series and other shows.)Tyrel said: Daisuki's subs are cancer though. The amount of times they do wrong translations is so high it's not even funny. I'd rather watch Commie. Commie completely ruins the characterization with their "localization". Words and the way people speak is carefully chosen in the series most of the time. Also I might be wrong but I think Daisuki has only done 1 show? The rest is Crunchy. The one I saw from Daisuki was indeed no great though. Hana, Tsuki, Owarimonogatari—all done by Daisuki. The previous ones were done by Crunchyroll, I believe. |
TyrelOct 16, 2015 4:35 PM
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Urek said: not commie trust me u will ruin characterization for the sake of funny jokesso... anyone can recommend me which subs i should watch? i am confused here. |
moodie said: Watch it raw. Be Japanese. Go full weabooUrek said: not commie trust me u will ruin characterization for the sake of funny jokesso... anyone can recommend me which subs i should watch? i am confused here. Commie = TLCed Horriblesubs so no choice anyway Seriously, I don't see how localized jokes ruins characterization. Heck I'm not even a fan of commie, but this salt is just stupid. |
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| I dont want memes while watching anime. Commie is cancer. |
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Cashdax said: some ppl care about the quality of subs moodie said: Watch it raw. Be Japanese. Go full weaboonot commie trust me u will ruin characterization for the sake of funny jokes Commie = TLCed Horriblesubs so no choice anyway Seriously, I don't see how localized jokes ruins characterization. Heck I'm not even a fan of commie, but this salt is just stupid. commie has dont a good job with tsuki and hana BDs but as what they are doing with SHAFT series in generally is atrocious |
moodie said: Then say an alternative which is what people asked here.Cashdax said: some ppl care about the quality of subs Watch it raw. Be Japanese. Go full weaboo Commie = TLCed Horriblesubs so no choice anyway Seriously, I don't see how localized jokes ruins characterization. Heck I'm not even a fan of commie, but this salt is just stupid. commie has dont a good job with tsuki and hana BDs but as what they are doing with SHAFT series in generally is atrocious Shuhan said: Go horriblesubs/CR, learn Japanese, or wait for BD releasesI dont want memes while watching anime. Commie is cancer. |
CashdaxOct 16, 2015 7:00 PM
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
Cashdax said: What? Their subs are always ORIGINAl translations for Monogatari.moodie said: Watch it raw. Be Japanese. Go full weaboonot commie trust me u will ruin characterization for the sake of funny jokes Commie = TLCed Horriblesubs so no choice anyway Seriously, I don't see how localized jokes ruins characterization. Heck I'm not even a fan of commie, but this salt is just stupid. |
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Tyrel said: Really? I assumed that they just TLCed from CR. mbCashdax said: What? Their subs are always ORIGINAl translations for Monogatari.Watch it raw. Be Japanese. Go full weaboo Commie = TLCed Horriblesubs so no choice anyway Seriously, I don't see how localized jokes ruins characterization. Heck I'm not even a fan of commie, but this salt is just stupid. edit: Just checked and yeah seems right, "A nice Japanese anime streaming site leaked this two days early and we decided to sub it since unlike what some people might think, we don’t edit CR’s subs for this." |
| "Your taste is shit cause you like what I hate. Believe me I have 1000 cartoons that I rated with less than 5." |
| People actually defend Commie? They say 10% of entertainment is lost in translation, with Monogatari it would be 20%. Commie would add 30% to that because of how important small conversational details are in this series. Nuance is completely lost if the dialogue is changed just for convenience. Commiesubs don't translate, they localize. |
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moodie said: and owari being the worst they have been, they even admit to the liberties they take. in fact they decided to sub something that wasnt there just because they read the source material and disagreed with how the anime portrayed a certain scene Well i think thats actually a good thing |
| How do you know which translation is more correct if you don't know Japanese? The missing lines I've seen have been mostly redundant lines that are condensed. I can't say see how Commie is a bad experience when it reads so much better than CR/Daisuki's extremely literal lines. Also, I hope you realize that official subs mistranslate things too. |
JayBlueNov 15, 2015 10:04 AM
JayBlue said: Because they are the eliteezz of the animu world, or just plain fans of the series.How do you which translation is more correct if you don't know Japanese? The missing lines I've seen have been mostly redundant lines that are condensed. I can't say see how Commie is a bad experience when it reads so much better than CR/Daisuki's extremely literal lines. Also, I hope you realize that official subs mistranslate things too. Also seems like a missed memes on Commie's Owarimonogatari, I need those for my PhD, Major in Memeology. |
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Cashdax said: JayBlue said: Because they are the eliteezz of the animu world, or just plain fans of the series.How do you which translation is more correct if you don't know Japanese? The missing lines I've seen have been mostly redundant lines that are condensed. I can't say see how Commie is a bad experience when it reads so much better than CR/Daisuki's extremely literal lines. Also, I hope you realize that official subs mistranslate things too. Also seems like a missed memes on Commie's Owarimonogatari, I need those for my PhD, Major in Memeology. you're a commie member? |
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Biasa said: lol'd...Cashdax said: Because they are the eliteezz of the animu world, or just plain fans of the series. Also seems like a missed memes on Commie's Owarimonogatari, I need those for my PhD, Major in Memeology. you're a commie member? I rewatched old Monogatari seasons from maybe all possible different translation groups and i realised that there is no #1 sub group for it...All of them fuck up at some parts...But HS is always the safest option...I am not saying it is perfect but they never go full retard at the very least... |
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Biasa said: Do I look like one?Cashdax said: Because they are the eliteezz of the animu world, or just plain fans of the series. Also seems like a missed memes on Commie's Owarimonogatari, I need those for my PhD, Major in Memeology. you're a commie member? |
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| I'm just watching it on crunchyroll |
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| I'll always will stick with official subs. Always the safest option. The amount of shows they have ruined should of been the obvious choice not to go with them ever but having read this thread with actual supporters is one of those things where stupidity doesn't cease. Might as well go to their website and donate to them as well so they can upgrade their PCs and other personal means like several idiots have already done and stick around to ruin more animes with their awful edits to appeal to junior high students. As for the BDs I'm unaware if they fix the subs for official release here in the states? As for the other option of going the underground route. A popular group is opting to use their trash subs with heavy editing supposedly. |
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| Sounds like there isn't a good fansub group for this right? All of them mess up or having memes from what I read here. Still waiting for BD version of Owari before watching, I use Coalgirls' releases, but I guess they are using Commies for basis for this one from what I read last, lol. Wish UTW is still subbing Monogatari, but pretty much they are dead after doing Monogatari 2nd season if I recall (or maybe it was Nekomonogatari Kuro), and they'll be near extinction after BDs for Fate/stay night UBW 2nd cour. |
chaosflame5Nov 18, 2015 3:19 AM
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chaosflame5 said: You can always count on Coalgirls and ANE for Monogatari BD's. They either use R1 subs or the best fansubs (not to mention that they heavily modify most of them) for the series.Sounds like there isn't a good fansub group for this right? All of them mess up or having memes from what I read here. Still waiting for BD version of Owari before watching, I use Coalgirls' releases, but I guess they are using Commies for basis for this one from what I read last, lol. Wish UTW is still subbing Monogatari, but pretty much they are dead after doing Monogatari 2nd season if I recall (or maybe it was Nekomonogatari Kuro), and they'll be near extinction after BDs for Fate/stay night UBW 2nd cour. |
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Cashdax said: I haven't try ANE yet, so I'll see which subs they are going to use. Coalgirls tend to use R1 subs, or from other sub groups. But since they are going to use Commie for basis as I mentioned, even if they do modify, I assume maybe only kept the terms consistent, but most of the phrases might be the same? None of the subbers are Japanese speakers from what I know, so they will only modify to some extent only.You can always count on Coalgirls and ANE for Monogatari BD's. They either use R1 subs or the best fansubs (not to mention that they heavily modify most of them) for the series. |
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chaosflame5 said: I haven't try ANE yet, so I'll see which subs they are going to use. Coalgirls tend to use R1 subs, or from other sub groups. But since they are going to use Commie for basis as I mentioned, even if they do modify, I assume maybe only kept the terms consistent, but most of the phrases might be the same? None of the subbers are Japanese speakers from what I know, so they will only modify to some extent only. Coalgirls said: They will indeed modify - eg. the missed wordplay on episode 1 - (and memes, if any). I would actually like if they will localize the jokes tbh, unless of course if its an essential part of the story.1. Owarimonogatari – I will be doing this. For subs, I will be using Commies, modified to be consistent with past seasons. |
CashdaxNov 20, 2015 3:20 AM
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Cashdax said: Well I suppose if they do modify that way, then everything should be in control without any flaws left over that still belong to Commies. Hope they do a good job in this one like in other releases.Coalgirls said: They will indeed modify - eg. the missed wordplay on episode 1 - (and memes, if any). I would actually like if they will localize the jokes tbh, unless of course if its an essential part of the story.1. Owarimonogatari – I will be doing this. For subs, I will be using Commies, modified to be consistent with past seasons. |
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| With the choice between crap and crap, I'd pick HorribleSubs lol |
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| I've always watched HorribleSubs and I've been really happy with them. I don't know Japanese so can't really say how accurate the subs are though. |
| Wait, people use Commie? I go Crunchyroll/HorribleSubs all the way. |
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| I pretty much only use Horriblesubs. Commie is garbage. |
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