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| You know what would actually be sick? If Shibasaki found out what happened and worked with Nine and Twelve because it seems like Shibaski's past and Nine's and Twelve's pasts will connect, obviously |
| Wow that episode went by in a second. This one didn't do so much for me as the others did. I think it's simply because I don't like Five so much, as well as this episode's role as more of a transition. Thought the anime's way of looking inside Nine's brain with the chess game was somewhat cheesy and unoriginal. Lisa looked adorable in this episode, I can't help but admit. I hope she'll actually contribute to this "game," and not just be eye candy. Also, it's really sketchy and seems like plot convenience in how easily the US government has stepped into Japan's domestic affair. Hopefully we get some clarification about that, I agree with a lot of others on the forum that it's somewhat ridiculous, especially with how roundabout Five's "game" to capture them is. The anime seems to pride itself on its incredible realism so far, but this one plot point is rather inconsistent. |
fishergirl16Aug 14, 2014 1:48 PM
| Very interesting set up. Though their English was not very good. 4/5 |
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| This show gives me goosebumps and I love that. I can't wait to see what happens at the end. Hell, I'd even be happy if our 'protagonists' get caught at the end. |
| I'm amazed at how nobody except Shibakazi even wondered why they changed their way of announcing their crime... they always sent a video before so why would they do it differently all a sudden >< They didn't even think it could be a fake... |
| Dat Engrish...shudder... Unlike many here, I really disliked Five as an antagonist. She feels a bit too contrived and 'cartoony' for a series of this calibre and attention too detail. I know that 'kids being much smarter than adults' is an anime staple (particularly in fashion at the moment with Mahouka, Aldnoah etc..) , but I was kind of hoping that Watanabe would not submit to temptation. In the case of Five/Twelve, their superior intellects are balanced with some kind of flawed human touch that makes more complete as characters. The chess game in Haneda will be very interesting to watch though! |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Kitoge said: You know what would actually be sick? If Shibasaki found out what happened and worked with Nine and Twelve because it seems like Shibaski's past and Nine's and Twelve's pasts will connect, obviously seems to be how things are going. will be interesting how all things play out in the end. the ost of the airport scene was so good. brilliant episode anyone know what the song was called during the airport scene, when they see the chessboard? don't wanna spoil the entire ost trying to find the song |
xSanoxAug 14, 2014 2:13 PM
CaptainKatsuura said: Also, when she was singing Five's English was much better. Accents are easier to copy in singing because it uses a different part of the brain than speech. This is evident in people with Tourette syndrome that can't speak without displaying their tics, but can sing just fine. |
skudoops said: Firstly I was referring to her playing the game. She already flushed them out and they were tracking them, at this point they could have captured them because 1. They know their faces. 2. They know where they are and can monitor them. Secondly, what was stopping them from making a video stating that they bomb was in the haneda airport and someone was mimicking them? That would have messed up five’s entire plan. Thirdly, no country in their right mind would let another bomb their own people to stop terrorist attacks. That makes no sense at all…. What would be the justification? “Hey we are going to kill a bunch of your people and blow up your airport to stop these guys from…. Blowing up buildings and killing no people!” Also, five didn’t embarrass them at all, she already knew who it was and what they looked like. To say they were embarrassed was a stretch at best, and her smug attitude when they already knew who they were looking for (unlike the Japanese police) was just ridiculous more than anything else. Also we know there’s a bomb, five doesn't need to mention it... she was going to allow 100s of people to die on the train for no reason so I highly doubt she’s bluffing here. I'll humor you because I already gave an explanation to all your points in the previous post. I'll answer your second question first: Nine says that even if they make a video stating that the bomb was in haneda airport and someone was mimicking them, NO ONE WILL BELIEVE THEM because they are the terrorists. They are, in the public's eye, the enemy. Even if Nine and Twelve make that kind of video, a simple announcement by the police saying, "Don't trust the terrorists, they are lying." will be enough for the public to disregard Nine and Twelve's video. So there's NO POINT in making a video, but only in making Nine and Twelve's image as terrorists worse. So going back to your first point, why play this "game" when Five 1) knows their faces and 2) knows where they are. Like I said already, playing this "game" IS THE BEST way Five can arrest Nine and Twelve. Nine and Twelve are not just some idiots who'd get caught by the police just because Five knows where they are. So naturally, Five's first step is to figure out how to trap Nine and Twelve in a controlled environment. In order to do that, Five impersonates Nine and Twelve and sends out the next bombing site riddle to catch Nine and Twelve's attention. Nine and Twelve figure out the answer to the riddle and find out that the bomb is located in Haneda airport. They assume Five planted an actual bomb because they think she's crazy enough to do that. Even if they have doubts about the bomb existing or not, they have to go to the airport because if they don't defuse the bomb, thousands of people in the airport will die. Why does this matter to Nine and Twelve? Because they're not trying to hurt the people with their bombings. Nine wouldn't risk his life to save that one woman from the subway if he was trying to hurt people with the bombings. So why are Nine and Twelve even doing the bombings? This has already been answered by many people, so ask me later if you have more detailed questions, but long story short Nine and Twelve want to expose the corruption in an organization called Rising Peace Academy, and all the buildings they destroyed belong to people who are members of the RPA. But getting back to the point. Nine and Twelve are forced to go to the airport because they can't risk having people injured. And making the video is useless too because they are portrayed as terrorists that have hurt many people in the recent subway bombing. Not to mention that making the video won't change the fact that the bomb is still going to go off. So Five has finally trapped Nine and Twelve inside the airport. How exactly Five plans on catching Nine and Twelve will be shown next episode, but playing this "game" was Five's best plan to arrest Nine and Twelve in a controlled environment. Now, finally onto your third point. "No country in their right mind would let another bomb their own people to stop terrorist attacks." You're right. That would be messed up. However, at the same time none of us knows what a country will do. In this episode, the Superintendent General prevented the Japanese police force from interfering any more with Five's plans. What does that mean? Conservatively, that means that Superintendent General of japan trusts the FBI over his own country to deal with Nine and Twelve's terrorist attacks. Now that's messed up and also extremely fishy. US secret services coming all the way to Japan to deal with Japanese domestic issues? Someone, or some group of people, are trying to get rid of Nine and Twelve fast, even if it means relying on the FBI. And if relying on the FBI means killing Nine and Twelve and preventing them from exposing the corruption of the RPA any further, then that's enough justification for bombing an airport. You don't think that makes sense? I think it makes perfect sense. Even if the bombing occurs and people die from the bombing, fingers won't be pointed at the Japanese government or the FBI, but towards NINE AND TWELVE. Everyone in the higher ups have nothing to lose in carrying out with this plan. If you want to discuss further, write on my wall, I don't wanna spam this thread anymore. |
pakokoAug 14, 2014 2:29 PM
| the shows' getting more interesting now, the plot thickens and now we have Five. :) |
| Oh man, 2 groups are going after the bomb while the FBI and 5 are playing the riddle games for 9 and 12. I'm also glad that Lisa is going to play a role for 9 and 12, I hope she is going to be useful in the next episode. I think 5 is going to be a great villain for the series, I can see her doing some tricks against 9 and 12, even though she doesn't care any civilian personal around them. Damn why did it have to end there, it is starting to get intense. |
| Really not a big fan of Five.. It could be because I just realllly do not like her character design. Lisa stopped being annoying though so hooray. |
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| As much, as I love this series, introducing Five as an antagonist kinda "broke" it for me. She seems made out of cliches and just by appearing on the screen, she makes me annoyed to the bone. More than that, a pretty good episode. I hope, that they will finnaly find a role for Lisa. |
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| Looks like Lisa is the trump card. The one thing Five doesn't know about. |
| Agreed! The flashback of when they were escaping as kids is interesting and both Nine and Twelve mention how maybe she has a grudge against them. Perhaps feelings of betrayal? o_O |
asdfghjklbreanna said: I don't really like how the police is just letting Five put bombs wherever she wants... Like even if she is from the FBI how can she just put so many civilians in danger like that. It was mentioned earlier in the episode (by 5 and her assistant) that she was laying a trap for 9 and 12. I am thinking that she is bluffing this time and there is no bomb to speak of, just to make 9 and 12 play her "little game." It's all mind tricks, I don't think there is a bomb. |
| Really great episode, setting up everything for a huge confrontation beatwin 5,9 and 12. The only thing that scares me is if they are going to use this plot with 5 for something, at first it seemed a little strange to introduce a "vilan" and i still dont think is really needed to move the history, but i hope they use it right. |
| Remember guys, I AM NOT A PARAGON OF TASTE. I HAVE SHIT TASTE LIKE THE REST OF YOU. |
| Horrible english.. totally unwatchable.. |
| I got a question: I understand that 9 and 12 want to stop the bomb but did they really have to go and do it directly? I also get that if they released a video saying they didn't do it nobody would believe them. Since they couldn't release a video directly saying they didn't do it why not just release a video taking full credit for it saying exactly where the bomb was and how much time the bomb had left (if it was in riddle form the police could just say they couldn't figure it out so it would have to be direct). Even if they thought it was fake the police would be forced to close off the airport and look for the bomb (cause if they didn't people would wonder why the police are just sitting on there hands lettin airports blow up) and if they can't find it and time runs out hopefully the cops have enough sense to get out of there and 9 and 12 still would remain murder free. But I could just be missing something... (someone asked a question similar to this but please note mines different) (still this episdoe is RREEEAALLLYY GOOD!!) |
| very good episode this series is fucking epic now about five i wonder what happened in the past between her and nine |
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| It was entertainment.. kinda felt like a short ep too me. |
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SkyJW said: But the crossroads that are forming right now is interesting. You have Nine and Twelve facing off against Five, Lisa is their ace in the hole, and the Shibazaki Squad are coming to presumably play the foil to either Five or the entire situation. Lol, I'mma borrow the term "Shibazaki Squad". A game of chess, how interesting. Five controls the board, while Nine and Twelve have a Queen named Lisa, but I feel there will be an interference by the Shibazaki Squad. I don't know about these higher-ups. It seems like someone from the Rising Peace Academy ordered the FBI to go to Japan and stop two terrorists from exposing the RPA. It seems that Five is actually just a pawn, who gets to have fun though. Someone else seems to be the mastermind overall, even though Five is freakin' intelligent enough to trap our already cunning Five and Twelve. But yes, no one expects an interference. |
I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling. |
| This episode was so entertainning! It felt like 5 mins long. Holy shit Five! She inverted the game! now the terrorists are trying to stop the bomb, how ironic. It's soooo cute to see Lisa trying! Now i love her even more <3 A chess game using the whole airport,now that's a challenge! Shibazaki Squad is moving too, i wonder what will be their role in that chess game. THAT ENGRISHHH!!! Made me ROFML, again, i feel proud of my English. This is so AOTY |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| Great episode! The battle of smarts has come to a start. Fantastic soundtrack, Engrish threw me off a bit and made me chuckle. |
| I don't think I've ever complained about an episode passing by quick, but boy that did. There didn't even seem to be much content either. A lot of it probably could have been broken down a tad or simply avoided. I've just realised what five reminds me of; |
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tingy said: Shibazaki feels like the message isn't from Sphinx, and no one really cares. I would kind of be skeptical too because the previous messages, Sphinx has always used the video announcements and not through text messages. Not only that, but there was one frame in which it showed that Shibazaki was looking at the two addresses, one from Sphinx and the other, not from Sphinx. It looked like he figured out that it wasn't Sphinx who sent the later text message, although he didn't tell anyone. One crafty detective, that! |
| Also I just realised on a rewatch of the end, they don't even use legal chess moves... I swear I don't think I've ever seen chess in anime or most tv shows played correctly. |
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stefeman said: Horrible english.. totally unwatchable.. Yuare kedding! |
| I didn't come here to play, I came to win. Now lets play. |
| Another good episode, I was pleasantly surprised by their clever use of Caesarian Shift (or rather clever, they could used more difficult Keyed Caesar). And Lisa got something to do finally. My only criticism is the fact they didn't catch them immediately when they saw them on monitors but I guess they were simply being careful as to not disturb them because it's the plutonium they want and in order to get it they need to follow them back to their hideout first. Now I woder what Shibazaki is up to. And what will he do when he sees Lisa there. And I am also intrigued what Five will do - as she really doesn't know they are three. |
Vexper said: Also I just realised on a rewatch of the end, they don't even use legal chess moves... I swear I don't think I've ever seen chess in anime or most tv shows played correctly. Lol I knew someone would point that out. Geass, NGNL, Zankyou.... lol |
skudoops said: Vexper said: Also I just realised on a rewatch of the end, they don't even use legal chess moves... I swear I don't think I've ever seen chess in anime or most tv shows played correctly. Lol I knew someone would point that out. Geass, NGNL, Zankyou.... lol I always go back and rewatch chess scenes in films and such because IT'S NEVER CORRECT EVER. People are moving pawns like bishops and shit. It's just poor, researching how chess plays out takes a matter of minutes! |
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InkBladeX said: I got a question: I understand that 9 and 12 want to stop the bomb but did they really have to go and do it directly? I also get that if they released a video saying they didn't do it nobody would believe them. Since they couldn't release a video directly saying they didn't do it why not just release a video taking full credit for it saying exactly where the bomb was and how much time the bomb had left (if it was in riddle form the police could just say they couldn't figure it out so it would have to be direct). Even if they thought it was fake the police would be forced to close off the airport and look for the bomb (cause if they didn't people would wonder why the police are just sitting on there hands lettin airports blow up) and if they can't find it and time runs out hopefully the cops have enough sense to get out of there and 9 and 12 still would remain murder free. But I could just be missing something... You know, I was thinking exactly the same. But maybe they were right that in such case Five would immediately detonated the bomb. Yes, Five could make the explosion smaller but there would be casualties either way. It would be pretty good dilemma for other agents on her side to blow or not to blow up those innocent people. And I doubt Japanese government would be happy that american agents are destroying such vital targets. But let's admit we are viewing this differently as we know everything, from their point of view maybe Nine and Twelve couldn't be so sure that Five wasn't acting on her own. |
Vexper said: Also I just realised on a rewatch of the end, they don't even use legal chess moves... I swear I don't think I've ever seen chess in anime or most tv shows played correctly. That is an animation error most likely, Nine said F6 the piece is shown at E6. The move was stated correctly just shown wrong. |
| The Engrish is strong in this one.... |
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| cliffhanger episode this time |
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