| Her LRIG is not stronger, she's just good at the game herself, especially after training with her even more talented grandma whom she was never able to beat. |
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soluuloi said: Because it's just boring and illogical. The illogical part have already been said by the others. And the boring part is inevitable. The show gives us dark atmosphere for no reason, the pain or whatever the characters endured is not dark or edgy at all, the hardship that the characters have to go through is a joke. There is no depth in this anime, look at the sign of the poster above me, see how Han Solo reacts? That's me after watching this anime. You cant simply throw eerie music into a comedy show and expect the audiences to tremble in fear. I am not amused at all. Even shows like Noragami or GuP are darker and more serious than this anime. A. The dark atmosphere is so fake that it's not even funny. It's just a dark, edgy wannabe anime. B. This anime is about card game with no detail about the rules and not to mention how boring the card fights are. everything of this is why the show is no more than 5/10 for me after 9 episodes. and people comparing it to madoka magica..please stop embarrassing yourself! |
| Judging by how popular shows like No Game No Life and Brynhildr of the Darkness or whatever are this season I'd say the general "underground-ness" is based on the fact it has too less 11-year old loli pantsu shots. This whole "it's trying too hard to be dark" is also the best argument I read here since it's basically a "I can't think of any proper flaws so I just say it's trying too hard because it has cute girls who aren't just muh kawaii loli doing cute things x3333". That's basically an argument you could throw at any show going the "more serious" way. Mirai Nikki? Trying too hard! Madoka? Trying way too hard! Higurashi? Don't even get me started on this! I think most of the people here are just trying too hard because people like to compare it to Madoka. I have to agree it does share some similarities but I wouldn't directly compare them, mostly because I like to see anime for what they are for theirselves not for some anime which came before/after it. For me, Wixoss is a great anime with likeable/hateable characters, excellent voice acting, nice (even if quite predictable on a certain level), a tense atmosphere and a bad way of promoting the card game. This can be forgiven though since it doesn't seem to be about the card game itself at all but more about the characters. If you are interested in the rules I'm sure you can look them up somewhere. I can't remember that every anime featuring a gun is explaining how it works. And guys, please stop overusing "edgy" and "dark". And a show featuring cute girls doesn't mean it's comedy. I didn't laugh a single time during Wixoss. All I do is wish for a proper conclusion in the ending before judging a show on irregularities. |
TheLivingVirus said: And I fail to see what your doing aside from calling other fanbases out. soluuloi pretty much spells it out; whats there not to get? Some people don't consider the problems the characters are going through to be dark at all, but instead just cringeworthy teenage drama. It's not hard to believe that people can't sympathize with this. And the comedy comes from the drama. e.g. The whole deal with Akira provoking them was illogical, and laughable. Surely I don't have to give specific examples of this. Sure not actually explaining is forgivable, but when most of the tension and action the characters are experiencing are supposed to be in the battles, this comes off as disappointing. Instead its from the laughable drama. The way they handle the battles is anti-climatic, too. In hindsight, I guess since the anime isn't tagged action this wasn't an unforeseeable problem, but the genres should include drama and school so it won't be misleading. |
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Kerozinn said: everything of this is why the show is no more than 5/10 for me after 9 episodes. and people comparing it to madoka magica..please stop embarrassing yourself! I know right.....this is already way better than Madoka. |
SimmianPrime said: Kerozinn said: everything of this is why the show is no more than 5/10 for me after 9 episodes. and people comparing it to madoka magica..please stop embarrassing yourself! I know right.....this is already way better than Madoka. The resets in Madoka Magica is a product of Homura's wish, you know until she satisfies her wish |
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Ghostalker said: The resets in Madoka Magica is a product of Homura's wish, you know until she satisfies her wish Reset ending is a rest ending, you can try to justify it all you want but it is what it is. Rebellion is nothing more than a crash grab and an attempt to reset the already reset ending of the series in order to make even more future iterations in the series. |
SimmianPrime said: Ghostalker said: The resets in Madoka Magica is a product of Homura's wish, you know until she satisfies her wish Reset ending is a rest ending, you can try to justify it all you want but it is what it is. Rebellion is nothing more than a crash grab and an attempt to reset the already reset ending of the series in order to make even more future iterations in the series. Whether it's the latest Steins;Gate, Ano Hana or Rebellion movie all are cash grabs, what is important though is if these movies tried to add new things to the series, I think Rebellion did it with flying colors. By the way the reset in Madoka Magica is a very important part of the story, because it tells something a lot about Homura and her character. She cannot let go of Madoka, she is going round and round where nothing advances. Rebellion made it clear what Homura really is. |
GhostalkerMay 31, 2014 1:54 AM
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Ghostalker said: Whether it's the latest Steins;Gate, Ano Hana or Rebellion movie all are cash grabs, what is important though is if these movies tried to add new things to the series, I think Rebellion did it with flying colors. By the way the reset in Madoka Magica is a very important part of the story, because it tells something a lot about Homura and her character. She cannot let go of Madoka, she is going round and round where nothing advances. Rebellion made it clear what Homura really is. But the story's didn't need those new things added in (they're not long running shounen series) their story's were done. Anything added after is just a blatant cashgrab to prolong successful series. The problem is that Madoka's reset ending erased all the parts we were supposed to feel things for. Why should I care about any characters deaths throughout the series when they're all alive again at the end? |
SimmianPrime said: Ghostalker said: Whether it's the latest Steins;Gate, Ano Hana or Rebellion movie all are cash grabs, what is important though is if these movies tried to add new things to the series, I think Rebellion did it with flying colors. By the way the reset in Madoka Magica is a very important part of the story, because it tells something a lot about Homura and her character. She cannot let go of Madoka, she is going round and round where nothing advances. Rebellion made it clear what Homura really is. But the story's didn't need those new things added in (they're not long running shounen series) their story's were done. Anything added after is just a blatant cashgrab to prolong successful series. The problem is that Madoka's reset ending erased all the parts we were supposed to feel things for. Why should I care about any characters deaths throughout the series when they're all alive again at the end? And? They would be crazy to not do it. That goes for everything that makes an insane amount of money. |
R4vel said: Probably because card games animes aren't very appealing to the audience? If only this Anime was about card games. The duels are completely unimportant... YGO is still very popular btw, because they actually use the cards not just talk about them. To answer the question: This Anime fails completely as a marketing device. Furthermore Ruko is probably already the most annoying main character of the year. |
rederoin said: And? They would be crazy to not do it. That goes for everything that makes an insane amount of money. I can't wait for Harry Potter 8-29 (and then 30-87 to be done after JK's death) or 17 more Transformers movies all directed by Michael Bay. Hayao Miyazaki is just plain stupid for not making any sequels to his films $$$$$ It may be the right thing to do money wise but milking a successful franchise for every drop it's worth is a very bad thing quality wise. Since all every subsequent installment manages to do is taint the brand as a whole. Once a story is done then it's done, adding new stuff afterwords is just plain milking. |
SimmianPrime said: rederoin said: And? They would be crazy to not do it. That goes for everything that makes an insane amount of money. I can't wait for Harry Potter 8-29 (and then 30-87 to be done after JK's death) or 17 more Transformers movies all directed by Michael Bay. Hayao Miyazaki is just plain stupid for not making any sequels to his films $$$$$ It may be the right thing to do money wise but milking a successful franchise for every drop it's worth is a very bad thing quality wise. Since all every subsequent installment manages to do is taint the brand as a whole. Once a story is done then it's done, adding new stuff afterwords is just plain milking. Doesn't change anything about what I said, its just supply & demand. |
rederoin said: SimmianPrime said: rederoin said: And? They would be crazy to not do it. That goes for everything that makes an insane amount of money. I can't wait for Harry Potter 8-29 (and then 30-87 to be done after JK's death) or 17 more Transformers movies all directed by Michael Bay. Hayao Miyazaki is just plain stupid for not making any sequels to his films $$$$$ It may be the right thing to do money wise but milking a successful franchise for every drop it's worth is a very bad thing quality wise. Since all every subsequent installment manages to do is taint the brand as a whole. Once a story is done then it's done, adding new stuff afterwords is just plain milking. Doesn't change anything about what I said, its just supply & demand. @SimmianPrime But Rebellion added new stuff, in fact it made clear what Homura character really is, something that many people (me included) had overlook when the TV series is ongoing, Like it or not, the end of Rebellion is the new ending of Madoka Magica, and will be the ending unless the Madoka Quartet decided to add a new continuation in the form of movie/series. @rederoin Yeah, a lot of people is chanting "sequel please" the same people who asked for a sequel and hated the sequel but still they are asking "sequel please" Addendum: This is getting very off topic, talking about Madoka in a Selector WIXOSS thread that is. |
GhostalkerJun 1, 2014 12:21 PM
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rederoin said: Doesn't change anything about what I said, its just supply & demand. Which is an incredibly stupid way to make a series if you actually care about quality and integrity. Ghostalker said: But Rebellion added new stuff, in fact it made clear what Homura character really is, something that many people (me included) had overlook when the TV series is ongoing, Like it or not, the end of Rebellion is the new ending of Madoka Magica, and will be the ending unless the Madoka Quartet decided to add a new continuation in the form of movie/series. That's a stupid argument. The "new stuff" didn't need to be there, it was all created after the series was finished and tacked on just for the sake of making new stuff/making more money. The series was finished, but they want to milk it for all that it's worth and fanboys (apparently like yourself) will lap that shit up and make up excuse after excuse as to why it's not a cash grab pure and simple. As I said above, I can't wait for the next 87 Harry Potter books. After all, they'll all add "new stuff" to the series so it's alright, right? |
SimmianPrime said: And why exactly? Without relying to calling it's movie a cashgrab. Rebellion is irrelevant, or are you arguing Wixoss is better than Rebellion and not the original series?Kerozinn said: everything of this is why the show is no more than 5/10 for me after 9 episodes. and people comparing it to madoka magica..please stop embarrassing yourself! I know right.....this is already way better than Madoka. |
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alexbf30 said: Also, the way wishes work is too vague in some cases. If you compare the consequences of Hitoe's wish with Akira's it doesn't make that much sense. Hitoe wanted friends, so the 'opposite' was something like "no more friends". However Akira wanted Iona to be unsuccessful, how come the 'opposite' of that is "Akira being unsuccessful"? Doesn't add up tbh, the wish just backfired, it didn't change at all. Had it stayed true to what Hanayo said, it should have been something like "Iona will be even more successful". But then again, that would be less dramatic so I guess it's completely fine to change the 'rules' middle anime. I don't know how idol careers work exactly, but won't Akira getting permanently fired from idol activity (assuming her scar is permanent) make Iona more successful? Less competition or, more appearance for Iona now that Akira is out of the magazines. One thing to note though is that Akira would get fired even if she didn't lose 3 times, as she was dedicating her time to Wixoss and pushing her job aside. This reenforces the idea that the girls' wishes don't really need any Wixoss magic to come true -- Hitoe got friends without winning, Yuzuki would probably get her brother's love if she had only confessed -- and Akira could possibly (expecting confirmation from future episodes) get more successful than Iona had she dedicated for her job instead of for Wixoss. I think the final message will be that wishes can be achieved by your own will and... playing card games with other girls to achieve your wishes is bad, uh, kids don't do that. If you consider that to achieve your wish you have to dimish the chance of other girls achieving their own, you could compare it to an act of egoism? In this scenario, you achieve your wish by making other girls lose, not only will you potentially harm their lives, you'll also pontentially switch places with another girl. Ruko will probably be the one to break this cycle. It's still foggy to trace any meaning to the show, in the end, it's proably just mere advertising to another card game. My hopes are close to 0 considering how shit-writing filled the show is, time will tell. I agree with the rest of your post. |
| I think this show is pretty good. #guiltyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
alexbf30 said: Kimono_Kitsune said: I don't know how idol careers work exactly, but won't Akira getting permanently fired from idol activity (assuming her scar is permanent) make Iona more successful? Less competition or, more appearance for Iona now that Akira is out of the magazines. I could potentially see it like that, however there is no indication that even suggests the possibility of Iona being threatened by Akira and her modelling career. So in my point of view the fact that Akira got fired was just irrelevant to Iona. Even when the modeling agency was talking about firing Akira, they wanted to replace her with some other girl and not Iona, making the two of them seem even more unrelated. But then again, you could be right as you stated some valid points. It's not about Iona, though. It's about Akira. She wanted to destroy Iona and was destroyed herself when the wish was reversed. Her wish, her responsibility to bear the consequences. Having the reversed wish have no effect on Akira would be much less in line with the 'rules', as you call them. |
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alexbf30 said: Also, the way wishes work is too vague in some cases. If you compare the consequences of Hitoe's wish with Akira's it doesn't make that much sense. Hitoe wanted friends, so the 'opposite' was something like "no more friends". However Akira wanted Iona to be unsuccessful, how come the 'opposite' of that is "Akira being unsuccessful"? Doesn't add up tbh, the wish just backfired, it didn't change at all. Had it stayed true to what Hanayo said, it should have been something like "Iona will be even more successful". But then again, that would be less dramatic so I guess it's completely fine to change the 'rules' middle anime. I might be mistaken, but wasn't Akira's wish something like "Destroy Iona career by being more successful than her"? After all, her wish was based on jealousy, she wanted to be where Iona was, with all the spotlights on her. This would explain the losing consequence, since the opposite of destroying Iona career by being more successful, would be boost Iona career by destroying her own success. This was exactly what happened after: * If I remember the story well, Iona was being interviewed due to her increasing success, at the same time that on the other side of the office, people were complaining how Akira was unprofessional and losing fans, which led them to change the magazine cover. * To impose a permanent consequence (like Hitoe losing the memories, feeling pain when touching or remembering friends, and so on), Akira was given a huge scar that would insure that she was never able to recover her success, and therefore forever be banned from the modeling career. Edit: typo |
DarkMoonWolfJun 6, 2014 4:27 PM
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DarkMoonWolf said: alexbf30 said: Also, the way wishes work is too vague in some cases. If you compare the consequences of Hitoe's wish with Akira's it doesn't make that much sense. Hitoe wanted friends, so the 'opposite' was something like "no more friends". However Akira wanted Iona to be unsuccessful, how come the 'opposite' of that is "Akira being unsuccessful"? Doesn't add up tbh, the wish just backfired, it didn't change at all. Had it stayed true to what Hanayo said, it should have been something like "Iona will be even more successful". But then again, that would be less dramatic so I guess it's completely fine to change the 'rules' middle anime. I might be mistaken, but wasn't Akira's wish something like "Destroy Iona career by being more successful than her"? After all, her wish was based on jealousy, she wanted to be where Iona was, with all the spotlights on her. This would explain the losing consequence, since the opposite of destroying Iona career by being more successful, would be boost Iona career by destroying her own success. This was exactly what happened after: * If I remember the story well, Iona was being interviewed due to her increasing success, at the same time that on the other side of the office, people were complaining how Akira was unprofessional and losing fans, which led them to change the magazine cover. * To impose a permanent consequence (like Hitoe losing the memories, feeling pain when touching or remembering friends, and so on), Akira was given a huge scar that would insure that she was never able to recover her success, and therefore forever be banned from the modeling career. Edit: typo Well, if Akira got her wish instead. Probably, Akira's LRIG(which became Akira herself) just send assassin and murder Iona or at least put an ugly scar on Iona's face or something that might destroy Iona. |
| The one thing I'll say about the ratings on this show is I am surprised to see it in the low 7s on MAL. ...not going to admit to it being as good as the aforementioned Madoka Magica because it is clearly not. However, look at some of the shows that are rated higher than this. I mean, fucking Kakumeiki Valverape is rated higher than this show for Christ sake! You'd be willing to tell me people hate this show because of it's flaws, but would rate a garbage show like Kakumeiki Valverape higher (for the record, I actually don't hate Kakumeiki Valvrave, but I groan at people that rate that show higher than this one). To be honest, the one turnoff I have from this show is I am not a fan of the whole Kazuki/Yuzuki incestuous wish plot line. I'll admit, it's pretty overbearing and gross. I don't know if it's a cultural thing, but I don't see how you can sympathize with one of your lead characters over that. I don't agree with Yuzuki's logic in regards to that relationship that she'll never love anyone else. That's just childish. Human feelings change all the time. I was once in love and was in a pretty serious relationship...until a few events happened that changed my whole perspective on the relationship and I fell out of love with that person. Putting the incest aside, Yuzuki needed someone to tell her that you just need to meet more people and perhaps you'll find someone you'll love more than Kazuki. I'm guessing that for the most part, that plot line is going to be behind us and it'll be more about Ruko, Iona, and Hitoe, which I am completely fine with since you can't really despise Hitoe's wish, Iona's is just mysterious, and Ruko is still trying to figure her's out. That should make this show at least a little more tolerable to watch. My one other complaint is the wishes do seem pretty selfish thus far. Although, perhaps the writer's way of saying that we are selfish? I would like to see where this goes in regards to Ruko's "wish" because perhaps there is an underlying message in all this and we just need it to play out. I have seen that sort of thing in some of the anime I've seen (like Shinsekai yori). Perhaps it is the card game aspect of this show that bring out a lot of hate. Honestly, I didn't start watching this show because of the card game aspects. It gave off the impression that it was going to be a dark, gritty series that is going to go beyond "just a mere card game" and so far, it has. Overall, the best way I can describe the reaction toward this show is that I am a bit miffed at the reaction toward it. While I wouldn't call this show great, I don't think it's nearly as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. Yes, I know people are allowed to feel however they want toward anime and I'm not going to tell people that they should like this series. I'm just a bit perplexed by the hate directed toward this series. I can think of many more anime that are easier to hate on than this series, but seem to get better ratings than this one. |
| Other shows being overrated shouldn't really justify anything. If Wixoss got a high score it would be on the list of "anime that are easier to hate on than series X". As is it is now, it only means there is -1 overrated series. |
| I dislike the art style of Madoka because it irks me a lot. This anime to me is more of Madoka+Yugioh. So i like this anime as something satisfying to watch considering how i don't normally watch 'dark', eerie anime. Plus the art style is much better than Madoka imo |
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mrmariokartguy said: I think this show is unfairly rated as low 7's, especially on a site where the average score for a good anime is at a 8. This is a great show, I honestly have no idea why it's rated so low. Well, on the positive side, the rating has been steadily rising since ep 8, having been exactly 7 before that. |
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| To be hounest i love this anime :P everyone has their own opinions and like every anime this anime has flaws but then again it is still airing and i like many people am not a fan of card game anime but i can safely say that this anime has more going for it and who knows maybe it will become even darker going into the second season basically u either love it or hate it =) |
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WhiteJoker said: To be hounest i love this anime :P everyone has their own opinions and like every anime this anime has flaws but then again it is still airing and i like many people am not a fan of card game anime but i can safely say that this anime has more going for it and who knows maybe it will become even darker going into the second season basically u either love it or hate it =) Not really. I'm rather indifferent. Just wanting to kno the reason behind vrything lrdy. And seeing how they're going to stretch that into 2-cour...so be it. |
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KanameFujiwara said: Incest - pure and simple reason. The main reason why I kept watching it, so no. watd said: because it is bad ^this. |
| I was slightly upset with this Anime in the beginning because they were really, really misleading with the trailers. I was not expecting this to honestly be a card game Anime... Granted, I could have easily done more research and found out what this show would be about, but I rarely do that for the shows I watch. I simply watch the trailers and that's it. |
| The director and writers are throwing every possible chance of showing dramatic/epic/shock effect away and make it plain just as yogurt. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| Because on MAL haters and trolls are louder than fans. |
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DawnJ said: Pretty much, not to mention the plot became so contrived and convoluted that there is absolutely no way to reddem it.The director and writers are throwing every possible chance of showing dramatic/epic/shock effect away and make it plain just as yogurt. It was a good watch for the season, and it gave me an idea of what a trainwreck is really like. |
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| Because of the bad first episodes ^^ i hate it in the first 5 episodes but now i give it 10 |
| wow i went here a while ago and it was around 6.9 and now it's 7.4 . Looks like im pcking this up |
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