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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- "Sun Sets, Sun Rises" King Louis XV catches smallpox. Tension rises in court as everyone decides whose sides to take in case the King dies. Du Barry, fearing her loss in power if the King dies, tries to get Oscar to persuade Antoinette to forgive her. Oscar refuses, even under threats. Orleans also refuses to see her, knowing that the mistress of a dying king lacked any power that would help him take the throne. The King expels her from Versailles on his deathbed in order to receive religious absolution. Oscar stops a soldier from beating the fallen Du Barry and escorts her out of the palace for her safety. Along the way, Du Barry tells Oscar about her past, saying that as a poor orphan, she had learned to do whatever she could to survive, and that she has no regrets because she lived her life the way she wanted to live it. She would later be executed on false charges of treason. Louis XV dies soon after, and the young and frightened Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette become King and Queen of France. Oscar leads the escort of the late king's body to his burial, crying silent tears over the destructive nature of change. summary courtesy of Wikipedia A pretty deep episode, King suddenly falls ill & all of a sudden DuBarry is exposed and vulnerable. For all her scheming and exploitation, all of her power hinged on her relationship with the king himself. I actually started to feel a lil' sorry for her, despite all the evil she had done. The king didn't repay her loyalty however and didn't even ensure her safety out of the court. I think her story served as a lesson as to the example the royalty and nobility have set for their people. They are corrupt and pretty much do whatever they want, so the neglected peasants who learn to survive do the same. |
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| I expected du Barry to meet her end from a failed scheme that Oscar would thwart. I never imagined she'd be ousted just like that. But this puts Antoinette and the new king in a tough position since it's obvious neither of them are currently prepared for the full scope of what it means to be rulers of the land. Overall this episode was an enjoyable end to this arc of the story. Can't wait to see what comes next. |
 ...even a saint needs a soldier to do the dirty work. |
| It's so refreshing to watch a good true-to-its-heart shoujo. I wonder where the story will go after this. |
| That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode. The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Glad i don't know history as well as I sued, so I didn't see that coming. The cheering crowd running to the new kign was a creepy scene that included the message of this episode in a nutshell. Oscar escorting Du Barry was a great gesture, just shows how good a person she is. Next comes the battle over influence, the king doesn't seem like a very decision-making person, so whoever he trust will make politics for the next few years at least. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
insan3soldiern said: That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode. The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful. Pretty much what I said here. Brilliant episode. I have no idea why I stopped watching this last time... |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| If you got a disease in this time period you're pretty much fucked its a wonder that Oscar's wound didn't get infected and she died. xD Finally du Barry is gone although I will miss her smashing things to be honest. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| The King is dead and du Barry as axed quicker than you could say long live the king. And yet I felt sympathy for her even after all of that...good grief. |
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| An excellent episode. It really gave the du Barry character some well-needed depth. And the scene of everybody running to Marie and young Louis was wonderfully done. I just loved that image. There are all of the nobles, still smiling and panting from the adrenaline rush, as they tell him excitedly that his grandfather's finally kicked the bucket. I honestly wasn't sure whether to laugh at its absurdity or to feel sorry for Louis. |
| Somewhere, there is an unplugged toaster sitting on a Coleman stove. Does it feel lonely? |
| Interesting that this series was broadcasted the same year smallpox was finally declared eradicated. |
| Brilliant episode! Very well done 5/5 |
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| Dam, they made it really hard to not pity du Barry. |
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Nonyflah said: An excellent episode. It really gave the du Barry character some well-needed depth. I loved it! Of course it was expected, but her acceptance of things after she knew it was the end for her was wonderful. Now let's watch a nation collapse under two rulers who were spoiled for two decades and weren't taught how to rule. :D |
| I thought this episode was kind of rushed but it's still good and enjoyable nonetheless. Wow at the people of Versailles, they only care about securing their position showing how rotten the court is. I'm expecting DuBarry makes her comeback after she got such a depth she deserved and of course I'm also waiting to see the role of the red haired girl who has been left out up until now. |
ImpalaDec 15, 2014 9:26 AM
| isn't smallpox extremely contagious? shouldn't everyone die now? it was a good episode, glad Madame de Barry is gone but I didn't necessarily hate her. she was a realistic character |
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| I found out it disgusting how the people in the palace basically celebrated his death. But I'm not surprised since an awful king gets awful followers. |
Ston3_FreeN7 said: That scene where the King died and the people, while smiling, come in to inform Antoinette and the Crown Prince. Wow, that spoke volumes. Really, though, this was great great great episode. The final scene of Oscar silently weeping was beautiful. Yep. That scene was pretty disturbing. Though have to say, due Barry's downfall was pretty well done. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person. Good episode. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Ah, duBarry, you truly were best girl. I will miss her evil smirk. My interest had been waning a little over the past few episodes, but with a healthy dose of history and the reality of feudal society, its now back again at full force. A good number of themes were explored in this episode. |
Shock_Yin said: Impala said: I thought this episode was kind of rushed but it's still good and enjoyable nonetheless. Wow at the people of Versailles, they only care about securing their position showing how rotten the court is. I'm expecting DuBarry makes her comeback after she got such a depth she deserved and of course I'm also waiting to see the role of the red haired girl who has been left out up until now. She won't it said she met the Guilotine in the episode. Please pay attention, because expecting a dead person to come back is silly. I know the message is 2 years old, but I will say the same thing to you. In the passage you are referring to, it is clearly said that Madame du Barry was guillotined many years later, in 1793 (Louis XV died in 1768), during the French Revolution, like so many nobles and commoners. The guillotine didn't even exist at this time. Funny fact: her rival, Marie-Antoinette, was also executed in 1793. |
KyragosJun 27, 2017 11:17 AM
Shock_Yin said: Kyragos said: I know the message is 2 years old, but I will say the same thing to you. In the passage you are referring to, it is clearly said that Madame du Barry was guillotined many years later, in 1793 (Louis XV died in 1768), during the French Revolution, like so many nobles and commoners. The guillotine didn't even exist at this time. Funny fact: her rival, Marie-Antoinette, was also executed in 1793. I just said what was in the episode, but please sperg over a 2 year old forum post. And I just pointed a mistake. At the end of the episode, her death and its year (1793) are mentioned, as a historical anecdote. Knowing that the episode takes place in 1768, for someone without a good knowledge of French history, I don't think it is silly to expect her to come back. If you don't like when mistakes are corrected, good for you, but please see nothing more than that. |
Shock_Yin said: Kyragos said: And I just pointed a mistake. At the end of the episode, her death and its year (1793) are mentioned, as a historical anecdote. Knowing that the episode takes place in 1768, for someone without a good knowledge of French history, I don't think it is silly to expect her to come back. If you don't like when mistakes are corrected, good for you, but please see nothing more than that. And as someone with a basic grasp of a narrative there would be no reason for them to mention her death, if she was going to come back later they would in fact not mention it. Never said I disagree with that. That was not the point. Let's end here, please. |
| That was a really depressing episode... I felt sad for DuBarry |
| Great episode and I loved how it conveyed it's message. And du Barry finally met her end,but she went out with her head high and didn't regret anything,gonna miss that character.Maybe we're going to see more of that other Jeanne now. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| With the king now dead it's funny to see those bunch of snakes celebrating and also to see this being the end for du Barry who holds no more power. I kinda respect her seeing how she used any means to go from poverty all the way to the top and doesn't regret anything with her head held high) |
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| The king is dead, long live the King. How fickle people are and have ever been adapting to the new regardless of things were in the past. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Hell yeah that whore got expelled from Versailles!! It was so weird seeing everyone so happy that the king died. I wonder if the new king will fuck everything up since he is pretty young. |
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| As much as I wanted du Barry gone. Im actually gonna miss her smashing things and the drama with her. |
| It was a nice touch that this episode du Barry smashed her glass by accident, did not see the execution coming at all |
| what a way to call out somebody's buff .. just walk striaght into the blade intenting to cut you --- they basically alluded to Jeanne becoming the new Barry ... "one who rises from the ranks , first seeking bread ,, then diamonds and pearls" --- Curly hair co-commander needs to learn his place talking to Andre like that --- and what an excellently told story , about the fickle hearts of men and women |
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| Du Barry was simply too over ambitious and in the end, her Sun was extinguished. Will definitely miss her though. Like someone else mentioned here, she was a realistic character. Can’t wait to see what happens next ! |
| idgaf about Du Barry/the king... you guys are all so kind fun fact: the scene where the newspaper flies in the wind is impossible for that time in history of french journalism |
| see you, space cowperson . . . |
| That was a magnificent way to end the period of Marie as a dauphine and show this is the beginning of Queen Marie Antoinette. Pretty great departure for DuBarry as a character. |
| I feel really bad for Dubarry |
| “I won’t rely on anyone anymore. I don’t care if no one understands.” – Homura Akemi |
| It was ironic to see all those babas praying for His Majesty's recovery just because they were all afraid of losing their positions and wealth. I know that may be a common occurrence, but it's still ironic. But what was no less ironic was that Madame du Barry was the one asking for Oscar's favor. Hahaha, a Madame du Barry, eh? And, what? What the hell is that? Their King just died, not even 5 minutes later they're all running happily to Lady Antoinette's room??? Not a single one of those noble people paid their last respects?? This episode was filled with tragic things. I'm thankful that Oscar is a sane person. |
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idgaf about Du Barry/the king... you guys are all so kind
fun fact: the scene where the newspaper flies in the wind is impossible for that time in history of french journalism
fun fact: the scene where the newspaper flies in the wind is impossible for that time in history of french journalism
| @Sorvarin Tbh, all of these characters are bad and rotten at their core. Andre and Oscar are problematic, but I do think they're kindhearted people overall. Also, that one blond peasant girl with the mom seems super nice. For me, it's just disappointing to see an actual good villain leave. I hope that Orleans can take her job and do it justice. |
| This episode was a great episode, though also tragic. There is some sympathy for Du Barry because she was born into poverty, and did all she could to basically feed herself. Yet the episode is genius for reminding you that she could've settled for a nice life as the wife of a nobleman, but she ultimately chose to scheme and murder to fly to the Sun. It's brilliant how they call the king her Sun, because it's a double meaning. On one hand, she's like a sunflower, since she doesn't bloom without the Sun (her king). Yet, it's also a brilliant metaphor for how she flew too close to the sun, which is how she met her end. If she had been content with being the wife of a nobleman, she wouldn't have had such a tragic downfall. Plus, as the king's mistress, she didn't try to help others who were suffering for poverty. All she did was lavish herself with great gifts. That came back to bite her, because now she's back in the trenches again, and she doesn't have a king or nobleman to save her. |
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