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azerdarkblade said: This anime is amazing, but so devastating. Time to rewatch Aria to heal myself... haha, it's funny you say that as Aria and this are my top 2 anime |
| another show that's way too far up it's own ass pretty bad until the last few episodes |
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| such a good show, lots to dissect from this. from how each major character symbolizes a sort of principle we all should live by to the idea of how theres not really any god, at least the way i see it. yoshii and kano are the ones that pull the strings but ultimately meet their demise, possibly to prove that they are nothing more than human. closes its themes perfectly. also a well written narrative & characters. would've been a 10 but i found about half of the episodes (mainly the first 6 episodes and some of the episodes around 11-16) to be boring. good thing the ending was just incredible and strong enough to reach my favorites. i also should've paid more attention to these episodes cuz they may have spilled their motivations (unless the motivation itself to do something about their lifeless city) i really do wanna recommend this but i feel like people would just find it boring :( |
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| It was good overall but felt so dragged out sometimes.. I think I'll have to rewatch it later cuz honestly I began losing focus at the end |
| Probably the best anime I've ever watched. You can literally read any dialogue from this show and say that it's a masterpiece. |
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| Went into this for a change of pace, not really expecting to enjoy it, but having a faint glimmer of hope that it'd be something special for me. For lack of a better term, I will almost never pick up one of these more 'elitist' titles, other than Lain and Ergo Proxy which I plan to watch next since those are like the two big ones. So anyway, I really was not expecting to like this very much. Throughout the course of the runtime, I was thinking it was alright. I wasn't bored, I was at least mildly intrigued. And despite the dark and heavy tones, the depressing atmosphere, the muted colour palettes with even a noise filter overlaying it on multiple occasions, it actually felt like a breath of fresh air to have something so raw and visceral as compared to the moe moe kyun shounen power of friendship stuff that we get now in mainstream anime. Now I rate pretty much entirely based on my own enjoyment of the show, and I was feeling a 5/10 or a 6/10 throughout. But finishing this last episode... gave me one of those rare feelings, the kind of feeling where you kind of just sit and stare at the credits, and continue to stare at your blank black screen even after they finish. Is this what a masterpiece is? It's dark, it's depressing, there's like no hope whatsoever to be found here, yet it's somehow so beautiful. Maybe there's peace in knowing that nothing matters. Anyway, I don't know really how to feel about this score-wise, it's a very rare occurrence for me to not know what number to put on said anime after finishing it. It's like it not only deserves, but needs something else other than a number. Last time I felt this way from an anime probably had to be clannad after story. For now, I think I'll leave it at a 7/10, I believe it deserves no less than that. |
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| Still a great story... Gotta rewatch this. |
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NickWolffr09 said: Probably the best anime I've ever watched. You can literally read any dialogue from this show and say that it's a masterpiece. What's nice about it is that this is not a show that wastes time with unnecessary conversations. It just wants to show a rabbithole story, nothing more than that. |
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| Some of the theories posted by people were really interesting, but I think that I like the most one that I saw on YouTube - while maybe everything was bound to go down in chaos, Ichise is at fault for never making the best of the chance at life he was given. Just because the world around him sucks big time, it doesn't mean that he can't make bonds with people and look to build some positive relationships, instead of walking around listlessly for most of the show's duration. If one thinks about it, Oonishi was holding up this "inferno" under control with his sole strength of character for the longest time. If more people down there tried to work towards a better future, who knows what the outcome could have been? One thing I don't like about the idea of humanity being split in two radical opposites is that it seemingly doesn't allow for the existence of benevolent or truly good people. Oonishi, Ran and eventually Ichise come the closest from the underworld and the "best" we saw from the Surface world was someone who at least cared for his friend (despite the latter being a deranged psychopath). The Class is even worse, with Doc doing her best deed solely on a whim. |
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| Great anime. I didn't really care about any of the characters, but neither did they, so I don't mind. The aesthetic, music and plot were all expertly crafted. It didn't mess around with irrelevant subplots, and everything tied neatly together at the end. Texhnolyze aspires to be as overwhelmingly pessimistic about its universe as it can be, and never fails at doing so. Consistency in intent is valued when writing anime, and Texhnolyze does not forget its purpose for even a second. |
  ｲ乇刀乇乃尺ﾑ乇 ╔⏤═⏤╝   ╚⏤═⏤╗☽ Shaded Horizon ☾ |
| The ones above who have everything... waiting for death; those below who are struggling for life... are dead. The world has ended for the people in Texhnolyze. I really wasn't sure about this series when I first started it, and even considered dropping it after the first few episodes. I'm glad to say that I saw it through to completion. While roughly the first half of the series isn't very good in my opinion (although it does set the tone which is important), the second half was absolutely amazing and carries the whole series for me. The ending tied everything together and was satisfying. Texhnolyze explored a wide variety of topics and did a good job with them; it did not shy away from taboo ideas. I'm not sure why, but I always end up loving shows that devolve into insanity and everyone dies. |
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| I really felt nothing from this end, tbh. Its cool seeing all these interpretations about these characters and how depressing it all is but I just felt emotionless about the end. Only character i really cared for was prolly Onishii. |
"Perfection is perception. For me, humanity's imperfections is what makes it perfect"  |
| i'll leave a few thoughts i had about the last episode since most "plot points" were there 1. the things about myths is that they don't abide by reality; the time of myth is a time out of time 2. one thing that never gets mentioned is that Doc's 'ghost' comes back to help Ichise: we get a shot of her painted in that strange light that sorrounds the above ground people (their ghosts) while sitting naked in her chair 3. when it comes to anime, there're only a few things to me that comes close to the image of the shapes taking roots, eternally condemned to that state of inertia, being mirrored by dragon-flys. the fact that this new form of life, born from Texhnolyze, literally takes "root" in the city gives a physical form to the idea that all the Texhnolyze were connected as a neuronal chain by the city through the obelisk 4. speaking of images that mirror each other, Rafia's flowers are life being evoked by death. it's precisely why Ichise throws Ran's remainings there, and why the flower appears in the very last scene 5. Kano's words - that there isn't anything wrong about their genes, that this is all a delusion, and that the whole city is a product of his mind - gives room to people interpreting the show as 'everything is a dream'. doesn't really sits well with me, i prefer to take Kano as a deluded mind. whatever it may be, Ichise's answer to Kano's is essentially the same one he gives to things like 'fate': he punches it as hard as he can 6. by the end of the story, Ichise has grown to have something as a sense of place, of duty. that's why he never gives in to fate and chooses to return from the upper world, despite all odds. it turns out that Ran was right about the future she foresaw, Ichise destroyed everything and ended up alone, but the most important thing is that Ichise denied it, that he was able to change himself, even if the outcome is the same (death). this work in the literal sense (of the story) and in bigger sense (like a moral) 7. all things considered, a crushing finale, again. I don't really like the simplistic take of "it's a life affirming show because Ichise finds meaning in humanity's fall"; it's not that this notion is necessarily wrong, but the images of the end of this myth are really hard to take lightly i would love, love, love if we could ever get more material about this show translated, or if Konaka suddenly decided to talk about it before he's dead. it's highly unlikely that this will ever happen, though... till the next time, Texhnolyze |
| i cried. such a beautiful ending, the start of this show might not have been great but the ending is masterpiece and gave me a depression that i was literally on verge of crying. i really liked ran's character and our protag, ichise finally found peace as the last man standing and eventually passes away.. |
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| Worst anime ever made |
| There will never be something like this ever again. |
| Well....Ichise is at a better shape than he was at the beginning....he's also alone from the start.....but somehow he lost that will to survive.... |
Reply to KanthorFehga
Really good anime this anime can be really boring and would be if you are not a fan of just pure story but without cliche hook since this anime has none of that even a singular comedic relief which us basically essential in all of anime this is the only one ive seen and people claim to be the only one that doesn't have them.
This would be hard to watch but I was able to finish it because I only watched them when I was feeling down because I like watching peolle suffer worse than me so I can realize what im suffering from isnt that big of a deal, I wish ichise the best.
This would be hard to watch but I was able to finish it because I only watched them when I was feeling down because I like watching peolle suffer worse than me so I can realize what im suffering from isnt that big of a deal, I wish ichise the best.
| @KanthorFehga Serial Experiments Lain does not have a comedic relief either and bunch of other serious anime. |
Reply to rodmanii
lack of logic defined this whole story and there were a lot things that simply happened and never got any kind of explanation
the back and forth of "conflict" between factions that never result in anything, nobody ever killed or made an attempt to kill the leader of an enemy faction despite being enemies
what was yoshi end goal? to free the city of the class? of the people of the surface?
and even if that was indeed his goal, how starting a gang war was going to accomplish that?
doctor and onishi deciding they were going to watch over ichise because yes, the plot demands it, even after his attempt to hurt doctor or after killing organo members
shapes simply stopped working
and kano end goal, to evolve humanity by turning them into disgusting abominations that become fix to spot for the rest of their lifes
how stupid, but yet one could make the case that he was simply insane so i dont see this lacking so much sense as the rest of the series
and kano, who previously show to have a device to render people with artificial limbs unable to move, never uses it again despite sending his troops to kill onishi
why did ran believe herself to be responsible for the city going to shit?
and if she wanted to avoid such outcome, why didnt she told anyone about kano?, whom she personally knew, why did she leave gabe to return to the city?
the people of gabe never did anything, even after the attempt to kill onishi, they simply remain irrelevant to the plot
why was onishi wife crazy?
what was the ultimate goal of the salvation union? if they were to ever take control of the city then what?
the same could be asked for rakkan
kimata and shinji felt pointless, you could remove them from the plot without any major losses
and ichise all of the sudden, ichise limbs start to work again, but only after all the goons fail to deliver a fatal blow or wait patiently while he is on the floor talking to himself
onishi remained but didnt try to confront kano, despite he knowing he was on the theather
shinji going to the class's city instead of confronting kano in the theater
people of the surface being "dead" or "slowly dying", what was killing them? apathy? how did they end up like that? why did they believe that "evolving" was the solution to such situation?
vague and nonsensical, that is texnolyze
and with the exception of the last 5 or 6 episodes the animation is very lacking, dialogues happening out of frame to avoid having to animate lip movement, the action often being still frames of the character before and after dealing a blow to an opponent, the cars being static and simply sliding across the fucking screen during car chases, the texno vision constanly showing a still frame of whatever the character has in front of him.
in short, no, i didnt like it, i give a 5 out of 10.
the back and forth of "conflict" between factions that never result in anything, nobody ever killed or made an attempt to kill the leader of an enemy faction despite being enemies
what was yoshi end goal? to free the city of the class? of the people of the surface?
and even if that was indeed his goal, how starting a gang war was going to accomplish that?
doctor and onishi deciding they were going to watch over ichise because yes, the plot demands it, even after his attempt to hurt doctor or after killing organo members
shapes simply stopped working
and kano end goal, to evolve humanity by turning them into disgusting abominations that become fix to spot for the rest of their lifes
how stupid, but yet one could make the case that he was simply insane so i dont see this lacking so much sense as the rest of the series
and kano, who previously show to have a device to render people with artificial limbs unable to move, never uses it again despite sending his troops to kill onishi
why did ran believe herself to be responsible for the city going to shit?
and if she wanted to avoid such outcome, why didnt she told anyone about kano?, whom she personally knew, why did she leave gabe to return to the city?
the people of gabe never did anything, even after the attempt to kill onishi, they simply remain irrelevant to the plot
why was onishi wife crazy?
what was the ultimate goal of the salvation union? if they were to ever take control of the city then what?
the same could be asked for rakkan
kimata and shinji felt pointless, you could remove them from the plot without any major losses
and ichise all of the sudden, ichise limbs start to work again, but only after all the goons fail to deliver a fatal blow or wait patiently while he is on the floor talking to himself
onishi remained but didnt try to confront kano, despite he knowing he was on the theather
shinji going to the class's city instead of confronting kano in the theater
people of the surface being "dead" or "slowly dying", what was killing them? apathy? how did they end up like that? why did they believe that "evolving" was the solution to such situation?
vague and nonsensical, that is texnolyze
and with the exception of the last 5 or 6 episodes the animation is very lacking, dialogues happening out of frame to avoid having to animate lip movement, the action often being still frames of the character before and after dealing a blow to an opponent, the cars being static and simply sliding across the fucking screen during car chases, the texno vision constanly showing a still frame of whatever the character has in front of him.
in short, no, i didnt like it, i give a 5 out of 10.
| @rodmanii Bro you dropped your brain. Everyone can have an opinion and I get that some points are vague, but many of the things you listed are literally explained in the show. the back and forth of "conflict" between factions that never result in anything, nobody ever killed or made an attempt to kill the leader of an enemy faction despite being enemies Been a while since I watched it but Oonishi gets shot at, pretty sure Shinji gets shot at too. Also this is normal in shit cities (like in less developed countries), the government (ie, Oonishi) will often not want to kill gang leaders because it can damage them too. what was yoshi end goal? to free the city of the class? of the people of the surface? and even if that was indeed his goal, how starting a gang war was going to accomplish that? He was a "Joker" like character. His motive is not 100% explained but his back story in the incredibly boring above world shows he wanted to feel alive. Another possible motive is he saw Texhnolyzation happening in the bottom world, saw what it would lead to in the above world, so wanted to cause chaos to stop or delay it. doctor and onishi deciding they were going to watch over ichise because yes, the plot demands it, even after his attempt to hurt doctor or after killing organo members Because he was the perfect lab rat for experimentation. Homeless, nobody who cares about him, and most importantly missing limbs. Then after he tried to hurt her, Oonishi had already invested a great deal of money on him and Doc wanted to see the data from her experiment. 5 brain cells should be able to work this out. shapes simply stopped working One villain literally says it's gangrene to the brain. He says it IN THE SHOW. Likely from pushing experimental technology that the best doctor in the show hadn't tested yet, and kano end goal, to evolve humanity by turning them into disgusting abominations that become fix to spot for the rest of their lifes how stupid, but yet one could make the case that he was simply insane so i dont see this lacking so much sense as the rest of the series Yes he was crazy. Again, IN THE SHOW one character says he's the result of incest... which affects the brain. Also IIRC he was Texhnolyzed at a young age and in the show they say Texhnolyzation affects the brain too... and kano, who previously show to have a device to render people with artificial limbs unable to move, never uses it again despite sending his troops to kill onishi Honestly I can't remember but was there ever a reason he would have needed to use it? IIRC he lets Ichise punch his head off without defending himself. Could be wrong on this one. why did ran believe herself to be responsible for the city going to shit? She saw a future > a very terrible future > she told her followers what would happen in that future > her followers did everything they could to make the future happen as she said it > she realises and feels bad and if she wanted to avoid such outcome, why didnt she told anyone about kano?, whom she personally knew, why did she leave gabe to return to the city? Because she was a child and just did what Gabe told her, she was also not allowed to play with other kids, she was basically a glorified slave and didn't know what to do. She probably didn't realise what they were doing until it was too late, in which case she disobeyed them and went to the city. Also the only time we see her vision is in the first episode where Ichise saves that guy from dying, hinting that Ichise is one or maybe the only character that can change the future. She went to the city to see him. the people of gabe never did anything, even after the attempt to kill onishi, they simply remain irrelevant to the plot Again... IN THE SHOW they literally say they don't need the city and are self sustainable. Their motive / religion is to make the seer's predictions come true which it did. Maybe they didn't try to kill him again because at that point Ran had already told them about his death? why was onishi wife crazy? Because she knew her husband was cheating... come on bro.... what was the ultimate goal of the salvation union? if they were to ever take control of the city then what? Ultimate goal was to stop Texhnolyzation... Anti-technology cult that is common in many scifi shows, idk how this is hard to understand. the same could be asked for rakkan They were just a gang that ended up way over their head. Do most gangs have ultimate goals? kimata and shinji felt pointless, you could remove them from the plot without any major losses Kimata maybe but Shinji goes through huge character development. This is my opinion I guess. and ichise all of the sudden, ichise limbs start to work again, but only after all the goons fail to deliver a fatal blow or wait patiently while he is on the floor talking to himself This is explained with a small scene / flashback with doc. Emergency power supply (IIRC hinted that it's the rafia given to him by Ichise's dead mum) onishi remained but didnt try to confront kano, despite he knowing he was on the theather Honestly can't remember, but maybe he was trying to help the city not collapse. Oonishi was a character that mostly acted rationally not emotionally. shinji going to the class's city instead of confronting kano in the theater The world had basically ended... he just wanted to do whatever he liked in his last few days alive, which was visit the supposed promised land where all the rich people lived. Also did he know Kano was in the theatre? people of the surface being "dead" or "slowly dying", what was killing them? apathy? how did they end up like that? why did they believe that "evolving" was the solution to such situation? Obvious metaphor for what the writer thinks humanity will become when we become over reliant on technology. I know it's a confusing show but bro...... some of these are literally said in the show, some can be worked out with 5 brain cells, and others are vague and probably require a rewatch so fair enough, but don't watch shows while scrolling Tiktok and then complain on an anime forum... |
fieldsgrow2Oct 10, 2024 6:10 AM
| A fairly dark and bleak psychological journey, maintaining its tone constant throughout the episodes, giving us an excellent setting, frankly the last 4 chapters were simply beautiful in the most depressing sense of the word, it is a dense series and not suitable for anyone at all. be a certainly unique experience, in general it is an excellent series if you want to see something different. 9/10 |
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