| The thing is they tell the same story, the anime added a couple of scenes to add some extra context, and the anime overall seems amazing just like the manga is rated. Then why is it being rated like your average SAO isekai bullshit? I don't get it. Can someone explain please. And in case you are wondering me being bisexual does not sway my opinion on if an anime is good or not. It can be homosexual if it wants and be complete trash like Boku no Pico. |
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| Maybe cause the manga was seeked out by people who are into yuri, drama and the whole package,while the anime is probably also watched by a lot of seasonal watchers. |
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| Two reasons I can think of: 1) Anime generally has more exposure than manga, so negative opinions will be more abundant. 2) The intimate moments were made so predatory and rapey compared to in the manga where it's much less so. As such, people are bound to react more negatively. |
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PriestOfJustice said: Haven’t watch Citrus yet but the amime has turned into a bit of a meme so it has attracted a larger audience that’s not familliar with the genre and may not like it. Kinda like what Jojo has become in the fandom recently |
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AltoRoark said: Two reasons I can think of: 1) Anime generally has more exposure than manga, so negative opinions will be more abundant. 2) The intimate moments were made so predatory and rapey compared to in the manga where it's much less so. As such, people are bound to react more negatively. PriestOfJustice said: Haven’t watch Citrus yet but the amime has turned into a bit of a meme so it has attracted a larger audience that’s not familliar with the genre and may not like it. These two are pretty much spot on as to why the ratings are the way they are. plus the "yuri" scenes are what this anime is mostly known for on the internet which is a shame really. I only started watching the anime today and not only I'm caught up to the latest episode (episode 9 as of this comment) but I'm amazed at how good it is, I just wish it was longer. I'm not a manga reader I never read the manga to anything because my ideology is "it will eventually get turned into an anime" but I tend to change that this may. |
FallenEntity said: AltoRoark said: Two reasons I can think of: 1) Anime generally has more exposure than manga, so negative opinions will be more abundant. 2) The intimate moments were made so predatory and rapey compared to in the manga where it's much less so. As such, people are bound to react more negatively. PriestOfJustice said: Haven’t watch Citrus yet but the amime has turned into a bit of a meme so it has attracted a larger audience that’s not familliar with the genre and may not like it. These two are pretty much spot on as to why the ratings are the way they are. plus the "yuri" scenes are what this anime is mostly known for on the internet which is a shame really. I only started watching the anime today and not only I'm caught up to the latest episode (episode 9 as of this comment) but I'm amazed at how good it is, I just wish it was longer. I'm not a manga reader I never read the manga to anything because my ideology is "it will eventually get turned into an anime" but I tend to change that this may. I loved it since episode 1 also because i am able to see things on more than a surface level. To some it may seem like hentai bait, but you gotta look deeper. |
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Hematospermia said: Thankfully the anime is really huge and popular in Japan. It's just the US audience that is piling hate on it. It's a really simple reason - Saburouta is *such* a good writer that it goes over the head of 95% of the people watching this. A lot of the modern North American anime audience doesn't want or appreciate subtlety, and they certainly don't want to have to invest any time in long, complex character arcs. They want to be hit over the head with everything, and that is not Saburouta. I respectfully disagree. The deterrent of this series is the fact that it actually lacks subtlety. Yes, the average viewer will jump ship when they find that the catalyst of the main relationship is a number of sexual assaults. Watching past that point, we find that the drama is not especially complex, maintaining tropes from many other series, from the absent or authoritative paternal figures to the sudden appearance of a childhood friend there to cause a schism for the protagonists. Am I disappointed that many only take the explicit yuri scenes as the series’ true intent? Indeed. But in the remainder of its story, it does not quite deliver. It’s especially jarring when comparing it to a yuri series such as Aoi Hana, in which the characters and their emotions are in fact conveyed in a subtle, complex manner. That said, once the anime is over, I shall read what remains of the manga, and judge whether there was growth for the storytelling. |
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FallenEntity said: AltoRoark said: Two reasons I can think of: 1) Anime generally has more exposure than manga, so negative opinions will be more abundant. 2) The intimate moments were made so predatory and rapey compared to in the manga where it's much less so. As such, people are bound to react more negatively. PriestOfJustice said: Haven’t watch Citrus yet but the amime has turned into a bit of a meme so it has attracted a larger audience that’s not familliar with the genre and may not like it. These two are pretty much spot on as to why the ratings are the way they are. plus the "yuri" scenes are what this anime is mostly known for on the internet which is a shame really. I only started watching the anime today and not only I'm caught up to the latest episode (episode 9 as of this comment) but I'm amazed at how good it is, I just wish it was longer. I'm not a manga reader I never read the manga to anything because my ideology is "it will eventually get turned into an anime" but I tend to change that this may. Nuff said. Havent the lastest 2 episodes but I as fan of the manga, this is a decent adaptation that had quite alot of scenes that are actually better than in the manga, I couldnt be more pleased with the adaptation overall. Same we have some many people that despite supposedly not liking yuri still watch this show, if you dont like yuri, DONT WATCH Citrus. |
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Sylphic said: K-On!give me one anime (that adapted from a manga) that does better than the manga itself (except attack on titan) Usagi Drop There's a lot. Sometimes a good anime makes people appreciate a mediocre manga so it can be hard to compare after the anime already aired and affected public perception of the source material. |
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| Hey i am a long time manga reader of Citrus and tbh I dont' think Citrus is one of those manga that works in an anime |
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| "People do not like it because it's yuri" Really? This is the dumbest justification I've ever read |
Banci said: "People do not like it because it's yuri" Really? This is the dumbest justification I've ever read Dumbest, but the most probably |
Mario_Isla said: Banci said: "People do not like it because it's yuri" Really? This is the dumbest justification I've ever read Dumbest, but the most probably It was clear since the beginning that it was going to be a yuri anime... If someone doesn't like yuri, i'm pretty sure they won't even waste their time starting it. I neither love or hate yuri but I was enjoying the first episodes of Citrus, then the scripts/plot and the animations started to worsening and I did not like that (that's my personal opinion) |
NathanielGibbs said: I respectfully disagree. The deterrent of this series is the fact that it actually lacks subtlety. Yes, the average viewer will jump ship when they find that the catalyst of the main relationship is a number of sexual assaults. Watching past that point, we find that the drama is not especially complex, maintaining tropes from many other series, from the absent or authoritative paternal figures to the sudden appearance of a childhood friend there to cause a schism for the protagonists. Am I disappointed that many only take the explicit yuri scenes as the series’ true intent? Indeed. But in the remainder of its story, it does not quite deliver. It’s especially jarring when comparing it to a yuri series such as Aoi Hana, in which the characters and their emotions are in fact conveyed in a subtle, complex manner. I fully agree with this and would say that so far at least, it' proving to be a bad romance in general. The catalyst of the romance is truly retarded, even if very much realistically possible, still retarded nevertheless. At best the grandpa plot point was a decent catalyst for Mei starting to like Yuzu but that & the daddy plot ended fairly quick and we've just been walking in circles with lame misunderstandings galore. And as for the yuri fanservice that many will inevitably show up for...now I can't say I'm a big yuri fan myself but I won't say no to some quality fanservice and even in that regard it fails. It offers some lame teasing at best. 'Guess it's still better than random panty-shots...but that's already a very low bar. |
| Because while manga fanbase is formed from the yuri fans who are even willing to not see obvious problems, and flaws (not eveyone of them of course), the anime can reach more broad base of people, and we can actually see the actual "quality" of the work to be reflected in the score. tldr: fans tend to overrate. tldr2: "it has yuri, slam! 10/10" and so on. |
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| Haven't watched the series yet as I was waiting for it to finish airing first but I can point out a few things which worries me as a fan of the Manga and why those who were fans of the manga might be rating this worse. I. Iffy about the relatively unknown studio producing it. II. The budget seems limited. III. The art/animation is not great where as the manga's art is actually incredibly well drawn. It clearly looks visually worse translating into anime form. IV. Looking at where they ended the series is questionable, Sara's arc was my least favourite. V. People who read the manga had high expectations and hopes for the anime series, which failed to deliver, leading to worse scores. Your first point would be more an argument why a secondary work, like the anime could be higher, than its originating work, the manga. Nobody was a fan of the manga when it started so you would think an equal proportion of people who were fans and not would have read it. Regarding the second, you could equally argue that many people just dislike shoujo-ai, yuri, and any form of LGBT. These people could have equally come and bashed the anime. Yes, Citrus is one of my favourite series which I did rate 10/10, but its the only Yuri/Shoujo ai in my 10/10 and 9/10 scores. In fact, since Citrus is one of the highest rated yuri/shoujo ai manga at a score (at today's date) of approx 8.0, it would be more logical that people who dislike yuri and shoujo-ai is more common and they bash these works. While I am not saying people who rate yuri 10/10 don't exist nor everyone should rate this high, I just don't think this is the best explanation for the variance between scores. |
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| Haven't finished it yet but it's my first yuri. I don't have problem with two females liking each ther or having sexual relationship but romance here kinda doesn't make a sense. If Yuzu would have some very aparent doubts about her sexuality and Mei's approach wouldn't be that rapeay I would probably like it more. But with this it's just your typical anime homosexual (I am huge yaoi fan and this happens a lot in yaoi too and I hate it) romance/love bullshit I don't really like. Finding some trully normal nice portrayed homosexual love is probably hard. |
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| i just start the anime but i was surprised by its age rating. i expected R+ rating for its content but it has PG-13, that means there are no Nudity scenes like Kuzu no honkai. |
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| The manga is better, but the anime deserves a higher rating too. I think it's mostly due to exposure and the international community's misinterpretation of this work as nothing but fanservice that only exists for fanservice DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAS A GREAT STORY! (See my review.) The manga also has this charm about it that should be experienced by all. Nagadir-chan said: Haven't finished it yet but it's my first yuri. I don't have problem with two females liking each ther or having sexual relationship but romance here kinda doesn't make a sense. If Yuzu would have some very aparent doubts about her sexuality and Mei's approach wouldn't be that rapeay I would probably like it more. But with this it's just your typical anime homosexual (I am huge yaoi fan and this happens a lot in yaoi too and I hate it) romance/love bullshit I don't really like. Finding some trully normal nice portrayed homosexual love is probably hard. "Truly normal homosexual love"... It's comments like this, the ones that both completely miss the point and have no grasp of reality, that killed the anime's ratings. Guys. stop expecting every romance, gay or straight, to be wholesome, it doesn't work as a criticism at all. Also criticizing the first scene to be "rapey" is both an oversimplification of the message it was implying, but also a catalyst/ scapegoat to criticize every other scene under the same umbrella. Again, see my review for more information. |
Draconix814 said: The manga is better, but the anime deserves a higher rating too. I think it's mostly due to exposure and the international community's misinterpretation of this work as nothing but fanservice that only exists for fanservice DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAS A GREAT STORY! (See my review.) The manga also has this charm about it that should be experienced by all. Nagadir-chan said: Haven't finished it yet but it's my first yuri. I don't have problem with two females liking each ther or having sexual relationship but romance here kinda doesn't make a sense. If Yuzu would have some very aparent doubts about her sexuality and Mei's approach wouldn't be that rapeay I would probably like it more. But with this it's just your typical anime homosexual (I am huge yaoi fan and this happens a lot in yaoi too and I hate it) romance/love bullshit I don't really like. Finding some trully normal nice portrayed homosexual love is probably hard. "Truly normal homosexual love"... It's comments like this, the ones that both completely miss the point and have no grasp of reality, that killed the anime's ratings. Guys. stop expecting every romance, gay or straight, to be wholesome, it doesn't work as a criticism at all. Also criticizing the first scene to be "rapey" is both an oversimplification of the message it was implying, but also a catalyst/ scapegoat to criticize every other scene under the same umbrella. Again, see my review for more information. I don't need to read your review because I understand all implications why the scenes were like they were. I understand that they are trying to get through emotionaly abused poor scarred girl who doesn't know how to feel love other way or something like that (blah blah blah). Actually I wouldn't probably mind these scenes if Yuzu would reacted more like a normal person. But not many episodes in and she is in love with Mei. I thought there would be more confusion for her. More doubting, more insight. And don't go here with: but this is anime it is not real! I've seen better laid out romances which felt 10 times real even if they weren't main point of the story. But hey that's why I don't like romance genre. Be it anime, manga, movies or books it's just same boring shit trying to force feelings onto you. (she is poor girl, she don't know how to love, she was abused, she never was loved blah blah blah) I wanted something new for romance especially yuri but it's the same crap I've seen elsewhere. Yeah dissapointed. |
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Nagadir-chan said: Draconix814 said: The manga is better, but the anime deserves a higher rating too. I think it's mostly due to exposure and the international community's misinterpretation of this work as nothing but fanservice that only exists for fanservice DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT HAS A GREAT STORY! (See my review.) The manga also has this charm about it that should be experienced by all. "Truly normal homosexual love"... It's comments like this, the ones that both completely miss the point and have no grasp of reality, that killed the anime's ratings. Guys. stop expecting every romance, gay or straight, to be wholesome, it doesn't work as a criticism at all. Also criticizing the first scene to be "rapey" is both an oversimplification of the message it was implying, but also a catalyst/ scapegoat to criticize every other scene under the same umbrella. Again, see my review for more information. I don't need to read your review because I understand all implications why the scenes were like they were. I understand that they are trying to get through emotionaly abused poor scarred girl who doesn't know how to feel love other way or something like that (blah blah blah). Actually I wouldn't probably mind these scenes if Yuzu would reacted more like a normal person. But not many episodes in and she is in love with Mei. I thought there would be more confusion for her. More doubting, more insight. And don't go here with: but this is anime it is not real! I've seen better laid out romances which felt 10 times real even if they weren't main point of the story. But hey that's why I don't like romance genre. Be it anime, manga, movies or books it's just same boring shit trying to force feelings onto you. (she is poor girl, she don't know how to love, she was abused, she never was loved blah blah blah) I wanted something new for romance especially yuri but it's the same crap I've seen elsewhere. Yeah dissapointed. I wouldn't have gone with "But this is anime, it's not real!", because quite frankly I despise that type of philosophy. Yuzu is very real, more real than most anime girls at least, from the way she is characterized to the way she "falls in love", which she doesn't really, even when she says she does. It's the teenage version of "love" that is symbolized by a mixture of hormonal attraction and attachment, and the series makes no attempt to make you feel something for it. That last claim may seem blasphemous, but if the anime was trying to glorify their relationship or make you feel anything towards it for that matter, the anime wouldn't have extended the "sexual assault". Mei is forcing her feelings on Yuzu, and Yuzu is forcing her idealistic view of love onto Mei, and this is what drives their relationship. Also, define "realistic" from your perspective, because it's coming off more as "idealistic" from mine. Then again, you said you hate romance, so maybe all of the series look the same to you regardless of subtleties. Anyways, like I said in my review, Citrus deliberately downplays all manners of idealism in context with its narrative, and the anime also deliberately plays down the drama from the manga. No relationship is normal, and in Citrus' case, their relationship is almost toxic, but as they learn to conform to each other's needs, they are able to build a stable relationship, albeit gradually. Again, your points completely miss the point, and its comments like that that killed the international community's perception of the quality of the anime, as opposed to its actual quality. |
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Draconix814 said: Nagadir-chan said: I don't need to read your review because I understand all implications why the scenes were like they were. I understand that they are trying to get through emotionaly abused poor scarred girl who doesn't know how to feel love other way or something like that (blah blah blah). Actually I wouldn't probably mind these scenes if Yuzu would reacted more like a normal person. But not many episodes in and she is in love with Mei. I thought there would be more confusion for her. More doubting, more insight. And don't go here with: but this is anime it is not real! I've seen better laid out romances which felt 10 times real even if they weren't main point of the story. But hey that's why I don't like romance genre. Be it anime, manga, movies or books it's just same boring shit trying to force feelings onto you. (she is poor girl, she don't know how to love, she was abused, she never was loved blah blah blah) I wanted something new for romance especially yuri but it's the same crap I've seen elsewhere. Yeah dissapointed. I wouldn't have gone with "But this is anime, it's not real!", because quite frankly I despise that type of philosophy. Yuzu is very real, more real than most anime girls at least, from the way she is characterized to the way she "falls in love", which she doesn't really, even when she says she does. It's the teenage version of "love" that is symbolized by a mixture of hormonal attraction and attachment, and the series makes no attempt to make you feel something for it. That last claim may seem blasphemous, but if the anime was trying to glorify their relationship or make you feel anything towards it for that matter, the anime wouldn't have extended the "sexual assault". Mei is forcing her feelings on Yuzu, and Yuzu is forcing her idealistic view of love onto Mei, and this is what drives their relationship. Also, define "realistic" from your perspective, because it's coming off more as "idealistic" from mine. Then again, you said you hate romance, so maybe all of the series look the same to you regardless of subtleties. Anyways, like I said in my review, Citrus deliberately downplays all manners of idealism in context with its narrative, and the anime also deliberately plays down the drama from the manga. No relationship is normal, and in Citrus' case, their relationship is almost toxic, but as they learn to conform to each other's needs, they are able to build a stable relationship, albeit gradually. Again, your points completely miss the point, and its comments like that that killed the international community's perception of the quality of the anime, as opposed to its actual quality. I didn't miss the point of this anime (why are you forcing it on me? I can understand why it is like it is but don't like it still, stop it) I just don't like its portrayal, Yuzu is trully good character at first I thought she would be annoying but I like her because she is really most realistic character in this. My problem is that this feels like other romance anime I've seen and didn't liked, yeah its yuri but that's it we can switch gender of one girl and I wouldn't feel difference. My problem is I wanted something else or I though this might be something else which would go deeper into characters. Way more deeper. I am not going to praise Citrus just because its yuri though I'm definately going to try manga because it's usually more better. I've said I don't like romance, hate is too strong term don't use it in my case please. I might not like it but I've loved some because they were done good or just hit my taste. But I guess there is no point of talking with you, beying stuck with: nobody understand it!! even though some people does and still don't like it... |
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Nagadir-chan said: Draconix814 said: I wouldn't have gone with "But this is anime, it's not real!", because quite frankly I despise that type of philosophy. Yuzu is very real, more real than most anime girls at least, from the way she is characterized to the way she "falls in love", which she doesn't really, even when she says she does. It's the teenage version of "love" that is symbolized by a mixture of hormonal attraction and attachment, and the series makes no attempt to make you feel something for it. That last claim may seem blasphemous, but if the anime was trying to glorify their relationship or make you feel anything towards it for that matter, the anime wouldn't have extended the "sexual assault". Mei is forcing her feelings on Yuzu, and Yuzu is forcing her idealistic view of love onto Mei, and this is what drives their relationship. Also, define "realistic" from your perspective, because it's coming off more as "idealistic" from mine. Then again, you said you hate romance, so maybe all of the series look the same to you regardless of subtleties. Anyways, like I said in my review, Citrus deliberately downplays all manners of idealism in context with its narrative, and the anime also deliberately plays down the drama from the manga. No relationship is normal, and in Citrus' case, their relationship is almost toxic, but as they learn to conform to each other's needs, they are able to build a stable relationship, albeit gradually. Again, your points completely miss the point, and its comments like that that killed the international community's perception of the quality of the anime, as opposed to its actual quality. I didn't miss the point of this anime (why are you forcing it on me? I can understand why it is like it is but don't like it still, stop it) I just don't like its portrayal, Yuzu is trully good character at first I thought she would be annoying but I like her because she is really most realistic character in this. My problem is that this feels like other romance anime I've seen and didn't liked, yeah its yuri but that's it we can switch gender of one girl and I wouldn't feel difference. My problem is I wanted something else or I though this might be something else which would go deeper into characters. Way more deeper. I am not going to praise Citrus just because its yuri though I'm definately going to try manga because it's usually more better. I've said I don't like romance, hate is too strong term don't use it in my case please. I might not like it but I've loved some because they were done good or just hit my taste. But I guess there is no point of talking with you, beying stuck with: nobody understand it!! even though some people does and still don't like it... Jeez, I only mentioned your comment in passing and then I responded to your response. Get over it, you're acting like a melodramatic teenager that thinks the world revolves around them. Edit: You didn't even watch the entire thing, I guess there was no reason to talk to you after all. |
Draconix814 said: Nagadir-chan said: I didn't miss the point of this anime (why are you forcing it on me? I can understand why it is like it is but don't like it still, stop it) I just don't like its portrayal, Yuzu is trully good character at first I thought she would be annoying but I like her because she is really most realistic character in this. My problem is that this feels like other romance anime I've seen and didn't liked, yeah its yuri but that's it we can switch gender of one girl and I wouldn't feel difference. My problem is I wanted something else or I though this might be something else which would go deeper into characters. Way more deeper. I am not going to praise Citrus just because its yuri though I'm definately going to try manga because it's usually more better. I've said I don't like romance, hate is too strong term don't use it in my case please. I might not like it but I've loved some because they were done good or just hit my taste. But I guess there is no point of talking with you, beying stuck with: nobody understand it!! even though some people does and still don't like it... Jeez, I only mentioned your comment in passing and then I responded to your response. Get over it, you're acting like a melodramatic teenager that thinks the world revolves around them. Edit: You didn't even watch the entire thing, I guess there was no reason to talk to you after all. I watched 5 eps so I think its enough for me to like its approach or not. No world doesn't revolve around me, but I don't like when people tells me that I don't understand something even though I do, but because I don't like it my opinion is wrong. So I won't get over it... I talk because I share my opinions and want to know why people have different opinions or why they are telling me I don't understand even though I do... Many times I stated why I don't like it... I don't care about some messages if I don't like how it is done. It might have cool deep meaning but if I feel it's done badly it's done badly. Avatar might have revolutionary amazing CGI but story was boring. Same with Citrus. |
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Nagadir-chan said: Draconix814 said: Jeez, I only mentioned your comment in passing and then I responded to your response. Get over it, you're acting like a melodramatic teenager that thinks the world revolves around them. Edit: You didn't even watch the entire thing, I guess there was no reason to talk to you after all. I watched 5 eps so I think its enough for me to like its approach or not. No world doesn't revolve around me, but I don't like when people tells me that I don't understand something even though I do, but because I don't like it my opinion is wrong. So I won't get over it... I talk because I share my opinions and want to know why people have different opinions or why they are telling me I don't understand even though I do... Many times I stated why I don't like it... I don't care about some messages if I don't like how it is done. It might have cool deep meaning but if I feel it's done badly it's done badly. Avatar might have revolutionary amazing CGI but story was boring. Same with Citrus. You sure are confident in your own opinions. |
Draconix814 said: Nagadir-chan said: I watched 5 eps so I think its enough for me to like its approach or not. No world doesn't revolve around me, but I don't like when people tells me that I don't understand something even though I do, but because I don't like it my opinion is wrong. So I won't get over it... I talk because I share my opinions and want to know why people have different opinions or why they are telling me I don't understand even though I do... Many times I stated why I don't like it... I don't care about some messages if I don't like how it is done. It might have cool deep meaning but if I feel it's done badly it's done badly. Avatar might have revolutionary amazing CGI but story was boring. Same with Citrus. You sure are confident in your own opinions. Now I don't understand you, if it is my opinion it's mine, not yours and anyone's else. This topic asks why it has such bad ratings and I replied by my opinion why I think it could be that so. Or your opinion on how good it is is someone's else and not yours? So yeah I'm confident in my opinion because it is mine. It is how do I feel about certain things and what I think about them. It is mine not yours and you can feel differently. So of course if I am talking about my opinion it is about me and not anyone else even though some people can have same or similar one. So yeah I don't like Citrus you obviously do and that's two different opinions of two different people. Me - bad, you = good. I'm not telling anyone how they should feel it's on them. World doesn't revolve around me, I have my opinions but they are not universal truths. This is not science you cannot prove me that this anime is good based on some equation or theorem (gravitation exists, can be proven and everybody feels it). So everyone's opinion on this topic is subjective. Yours too. |
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