Shangri-La Frontier
| Is it wrong that I don't think that this is the best video game anime anymore? It's definitely a lot better than other anime that show gamers in an MMORPG world like SAO for instance, but I wanted to let this out because I think there are some flaws that made it hard for me to consider it a really special anime. I mean, there are a lot of good things the anime does right to portray games, like a fantasy world based on MMORPG standards, bosses with dozens of lore depth into it, and NPCs triggering certain events are all alright. But the characters feel really off for me. It seems like in order to get the world Shangri-La Frontier boasts about, it has to resort to cheap tropes on the human characters like a girl having a massive crush on the main character, roleplaying seems to be misled with actually living in the game world, and dialogues don't fit with the narrative the story wants to push. At the surface level, it seems like a gamer playing a game of the year product on VR, seems cool right? Finally, a gamer actually using terms that gamers are familiar with. But I'm not seeing the mannerisms and tone that would seem what a gamer would do, it just feels like some guy who is the top player without any real struggle or death. Before you say that I'm wrong about MC not facing any struggles, of course I am aware, but the MC lacks a lot of detail that would fit more of a gamer than anyone else, he seems like some persona who's just built to advance the story rather than going for immersion and character detail. Here's what I think would have made it better if they cut out on some lore and allow more room for character development: It seems like I'm nitpicking, but hopefully, I get my point across. |
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| Yeah, we are two and a half seasons in and nobody threw a racial slur in the chat and everyone treats women with dignity. This is not an anime about gamers. |
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| I don't think this is a matter of hate^^ You're just one of these guys wanting to rewrite a Show they saw into something it never was supposed to be or wanting to be. There are Shows like you described. Shangri-LA isn't one of them. And that should be fine. The "cheap Tropes" you're talking about ARE the reason it was popular^^ The whole gamer VR thing and that the girl always has a crush on MC, for example is that typical escapism that people like about it It worked cause it kinda was a SAO-Clone. |
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Reply to Merve2Love
I don't think this is a matter of hate^^
You're just one of these guys wanting to rewrite a Show they saw into something it never was supposed to be or wanting to be.
There are Shows like you described.
Shangri-LA isn't one of them. And that should be fine.
The "cheap Tropes" you're talking about ARE the reason it was popular^^
The whole gamer VR thing and that the girl always has a crush on MC, for example is that typical escapism that people like about it
It worked cause it kinda was a SAO-Clone.
You're just one of these guys wanting to rewrite a Show they saw into something it never was supposed to be or wanting to be.
There are Shows like you described.
Shangri-LA isn't one of them. And that should be fine.
The "cheap Tropes" you're talking about ARE the reason it was popular^^
The whole gamer VR thing and that the girl always has a crush on MC, for example is that typical escapism that people like about it
It worked cause it kinda was a SAO-Clone.
| @Merve2Love yeah you have a point with the tropes since it can help pull a lot more people into than its original audience, it's like you can make stories about athletes without having to be an actual athlete, but in SLF, I was secretly hoping that the anime would explore more onto its characters rather than dumping that sweet screentime into lore and story. What I'm asking for SLF is a bit too detailed or too niche for it to accomplish, and that's fine, not every show can please our every need, but I personally think that the anime lets off a bit too much than it should have been. |
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ZeroMajor12 said: But the characters feel really off for me. The characters are what makes the show excel though, most of them are awesome in one way or another. |
| I can tell the creator is a gamer, but I noticed a fair amount of stuff does not make logical sense like the purple haired chic giving much of a care for that npc sidequest despite her being a known pk. Lol That aside, game storytelling and manga storytelling are different beasts. I still find the series to be solid. I am still iffy on certain characters like the attack master who likes Sunraku. |
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Piromysl said: Well there's a very obvious reason for that.Yeah, we are two and a half seasons in and nobody threw a racial slur in the chat and everyone treats women with dignity. This is not an anime about gamers. Cringyroll is forcing political correctness on this show... |
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Reply to ktg
ZeroMajor12 said:
Is it wrong that I don't think that this is the best video game anime anymore? It's definitely a lot better than other anime that show gamers in an MMORPG world like SAO for instance, but I wanted to let this out because I think there are some flaws that made it hard for me to consider it a really special anime. I mean, there are a lot of good things the anime does right to portray games, like a fantasy world based on MMORPG standards, bosses with dozens of lore depth into it, and NPCs triggering certain events are all alright. But the characters feel really off for me.
It seems like in order to get the world Shangri-La Frontier boasts about, it has to resort to cheap tropes on the human characters like a girl having a massive crush on the main character, roleplaying seems to be misled with actually living in the game world, and dialogues don't fit with the narrative the story wants to push. At the surface level, it seems like a gamer playing a game of the year product on VR, seems cool right? Finally, a gamer actually using terms that gamers are familiar with. But I'm not seeing the mannerisms and tone that would seem what a gamer would do, it just feels like some guy who is the top player without any real struggle or death.
Before you say that I'm wrong about MC not facing any struggles, of course I am aware, but the MC lacks a lot of detail that would fit more of a gamer than anyone else, he seems like some persona who's just built to advance the story rather than going for immersion and character detail.
Here's what I think would have made it better if they cut out on some lore and allow more room for character development:
It seems like I'm nitpicking, but hopefully, I get my point across.
Is it wrong that I don't think that this is the best video game anime anymore? It's definitely a lot better than other anime that show gamers in an MMORPG world like SAO for instance, but I wanted to let this out because I think there are some flaws that made it hard for me to consider it a really special anime. I mean, there are a lot of good things the anime does right to portray games, like a fantasy world based on MMORPG standards, bosses with dozens of lore depth into it, and NPCs triggering certain events are all alright. But the characters feel really off for me.
It seems like in order to get the world Shangri-La Frontier boasts about, it has to resort to cheap tropes on the human characters like a girl having a massive crush on the main character, roleplaying seems to be misled with actually living in the game world, and dialogues don't fit with the narrative the story wants to push. At the surface level, it seems like a gamer playing a game of the year product on VR, seems cool right? Finally, a gamer actually using terms that gamers are familiar with. But I'm not seeing the mannerisms and tone that would seem what a gamer would do, it just feels like some guy who is the top player without any real struggle or death.
Before you say that I'm wrong about MC not facing any struggles, of course I am aware, but the MC lacks a lot of detail that would fit more of a gamer than anyone else, he seems like some persona who's just built to advance the story rather than going for immersion and character detail.
Here's what I think would have made it better if they cut out on some lore and allow more room for character development:
It seems like I'm nitpicking, but hopefully, I get my point across.
I think the first 2 points are well-portrayed in the show. I mean Sunraku didn't just "not listen to the story", but skipped the whole first city with its tutorials. And he also died a lot of times, they just didn't animate 100 deaths, just tells you after he beat that monster. Look up when the rabbit boss was training him, he died a lot there.
Personally I don't think he needs to struggle as a pro. Like I'm really good at FPS games and most of my skills are transferable. Yes, I don't know every trick and tip in every FPS, but I'm faster and more accurate than an average player.
It's also true for MMORPGs, they have a lot of similar mechanics.
| @ktg truthfully yeah you have a point there too and I'm sorry for not realising sooner. But it still kind of doesn't excuse the cheap tropes the anime resorts to just for a video game anime. It's not a big of a deal since the anime spends the majority of the time showing the lore and narrative, but in order to proceed with it, it has to use dialogue, and since the anime wants to get to the point, they resort to cliches or poorly-thought out dialogue that make them stand out like a thumb. And by clichés, I mean by inserting stereotypes that happen in most anime into an anime whose setting and atmosphere wouldn't make any sense to happen anywhere. I'm pretty much salty with the way they dealt with the characters' dialogues and manners, since I'm particularly very critical of characters in an action genre, even more so being set in a video game. |
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| Microphones? I thought they play using headsets like SAO's so no speaking needed, everything through thoughts. |
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| This and the early Log Horizon seasons imo are the peak in this genre, i also heard good things about .hack though i didn't watch it. |
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