Watashi no Oshi wa Akuyaku Reijou. Episode 3 Discussion

She wasn't talking about that line that Claire said, she was talking about the "I sense that I'm in danger" part just because Rae is gay, implying that she thinks that Rae would molest Claire. Sure Rae is very forward and open towards Claire but i'm sure as hell that Rae would never actually do anything to cross a huge line like that. You say stalked yet they go to the same school and she's her maid so she has to keep an eye on Claire tf... and SA, if I remember right the most Rae's done is hugged onto Claire and held her hand that's it. Plus Rae rigged the King's game just to get Claire and Thane closer, if Rae really wanted to she could've had Claire and her kiss instead.

"Miss Claire, how would you feel if a man told you, "Don't molest me?"
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"But what you said to Rae a moment ago was the same sorta thing."

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What in the gaslight what this shit?
Claire is LITTERALLY getting sexually harrassed and stalked by Rae the entire time, and she's supposed to just take it because... Rae is gay?
Bro what...

@LosTakeover Yeah, but this is just garbage writing. I'm pretty sure that I'm being gaslighted right alongside Claire, because I laughed out loud at what seemed like an obvious joke set up, only to watch that segue into a lecture on bigotry. According to the prior narrative, before this abrupt and disorienting tonal shift, there's more than enough justification for Claire's reaction. Claire has been exasperated by Rae's actions, but she hasn't believed them to be real, both because Rae is a girl and she's insanely over the top. It seems plausible to me that she would be nervous and uncomfortable upon realizing everything was actually true, especially when we factor in that, when viewed realistically, Rae has acted in many ways that are inappropriate, that we previously laughed off, because it was funny watching the villainess get her comeuppance, and blush adorably, of course. It feels like that segue was way too heavy-handed and contradictory, given the previous themes and atmosphere of the show.

I have nothing against the sentiment, but that entire conversation felt wildly out of place and horribly executed.

That was precisely the point, though. Rae's acted over-the-top the whole time up til now to make it be a joke, because being too serious would force her to face rejection seriously and cause her to be unable to be near Claire anymore. But, she was plainly asked and so she plainly answered that she knows Claire doesn't reciprocate her feelings; that doesn't keep her from wanting Claire to be happy. To be -more- nervous after someone has told you that implies that you don't believe them; that you expect them to behave irrationally.

I'm here for the isekai, otome, and comedy, not so much the yuri, but I don't mind it. I've been finding this whole anime 5/5 so far because I really adore the characters of Rae and Claire, and their antics. However this serious discussion that Misha bluntly just brought up, I did not like, and I think it would have been better left unsaid.

The biggest reason I don't like it is because it's a massive tone switch that didn't work that well, it was jarring. I loved the fun not-so-serious and sincere stuff in the show before this, I didn't like the serious stuff because it seemed to damage more than help. The serious stuff felt massively preachy like all the other preachy crap coming out of Hollywood, albeit still better done here than by Hollywood. I actually find it insulting to the character that Rae has to define herself as gay; I liked Rae for being Rae, not for being gay. It's exactly like what the maid tried to say about how "falling in love with the person, not the gender, and that person she fell in love with happens to be a woman", but Rae says it's not the case. It's the case here for me with what I'm saying, I like character for the character, not only for some sub-characteristic of being gay. That whole serious conversation seemed like they were boiling down the characters to their sub-characteristic which I find irrelevant and insulting compared to their whole character.

Then the show seemed to go down a path where they were trying to make Rae look a like victim, and her history was filled with regret and misery specifically because of this sub-characteristic alone. An almost contradiction to how strong, determined, and resilient she's been shown to be up until now. It's like they're okay with damaging her character just to ram home she's gay thus has had it hard. I guess she can't be gay and have it easy, or be unaffected by it (as it had looked until this point).

Luckily though it seems like the show was able to recover from this serious talk by just so happening to have some smack talkers show up for Claire white knight on. And the show seemed to indirectly say everything is going back to how it was, by having Rae telling Claire to just treat her as she always has, and getting confirmation from her that "she still despises her". I really do hope the show goes back to normal so I can just ignore this scene happened, I really don't want this show devolving into some preachy Hollywood show.

Also I'm not liking Misha, not only did she initiate all this, but her constant disapproving attitude makes me think she's going to turn into a backstabber. Perhaps she's going to take the role of Villainess/Antagonist after Rae tames Claire out of it.

She wasn't talking about that line that Claire said, she was talking about the "I sense that I'm in danger" part just because Rae is gay, implying that she thinks that Rae would molest Claire. Sure Rae is very forward and open towards Claire but i'm sure as hell that Rae would never actually do anything to cross a huge line like that. You say stalked yet they go to the same school and she's her maid so she has to keep an eye on Claire tf... and SA, if I remember right the most Rae's done is hugged onto Claire and held her hand that's it. Plus Rae rigged the King's game just to get Claire and Thane closer, if Rae really wanted to she could've had Claire and her kiss instead.

@Garrett_Dark Yeah, the LN is apparently a pretty well known work in LGBT circles, I wouldn't have pegged a story with a girl borderline (or maybe outright) sexually harassing the villainess to end up with such a ham-fisted, overbearing display of woke-ness, but here we are. That scene doesn't even remotely feel like the same show, it's like the characters were just being used as mouthpieces for the author's pro-LGBT agenda at the expense of the work itself. The more I think about it I just hate that they not only took something so silly and ridiculous and tried to turn it into something this serious and mature, I'm pretty sure they even used Claire's outburst as a joke set-up, only to subvert that into a lecture, because how dare you find that funny, despite everything Rae has done to her. lol

Yeah... I'm going to try and pretend that scene never happened and hope the show just goes back to being a wacky GL comedy.

@Garrett_Dark Yeah, the LN is apparently a pretty well known work in LGBT circles, I wouldn't have pegged a story with a girl borderline (or maybe outright) sexually harassing the villainess to end up with such a ham-fisted, overbearing display of woke-ness, but here we are. That scene doesn't even remotely feel like the same show, it's like the characters were just being used as mouthpieces for the author's pro-LGBT agenda at the expense of the work itself. The more I think about it I just hate that they not only took something so silly and ridiculous and tried to turn it into something this serious and mature, I'm pretty sure they even used Claire's outburst as a joke set-up, only to subvert that into a lecture, because how dare you find that funny, despite everything Rae has done to her. lol

Yeah... I'm going to try and pretend that scene never happened and hope the show just goes back to being a wacky GL comedy.

@LostSpectre

Claire's outburst of "I'm sensing I'm in danger" is actually an amusing line that's in-line with her character, but Misha's deadpan serious response to it killed the humor. She sucked all the fun out of the scene, and even told Rae to stop making jokes. Misha in that moment felt like one of the activists or people who take a cause way too seriously that demands others to take it just seriously as they do, others are not allowed to joke about it nor joke around to lighten up the atmosphere. I really do hope it turns out Misha is the antagonist, and this isn't some injected pandering somebody decided to put in all willy-nilly.

I wonder if anybody can confirm the subs and the Japanese dialog was the same? I watched the English dub, and I've heard in the past that sometimes the dubs would inject woke-ness which doesn't even match the original dialog. Something about Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, which I haven't watched. But I suppose if this is "a pretty well known work in the LGBT circles", it might have been intentional from the start. Can anybody confirm if this scene was in the source material?

@LostSpectre

Claire's outburst of "I'm sensing I'm in danger" is actually an amusing line that's in-line with her character, but Misha's deadpan serious response to it killed the humor. She sucked all the fun out of the scene, and even told Rae to stop making jokes. Misha in that moment felt like one of the activists or people who take a cause way too seriously that demands others to take it just seriously as they do, others are not allowed to joke about it nor joke around to lighten up the atmosphere. I really do hope it turns out Misha is the antagonist, and this isn't some injected pandering somebody decided to put in all willy-nilly.

I wonder if anybody can confirm the subs and the Japanese dialog was the same? I watched the English dub, and I've heard in the past that sometimes the dubs would inject woke-ness which doesn't even match the original dialog. Something about Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, which I haven't watched. But I suppose if this is "a pretty well known work in the LGBT circles", it might have been intentional from the start. Can anybody confirm if this scene was in the source material?