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| I think Kate is far more clever than people realize. I'm kinda impressed by her this episode. Think she and John has a very interesting relationship this season, one to keep an eye on. |
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| This episode might have been one of my favorites of the season. It was consistently suspenseful and getting to see how Kate's (and Emilco's, John's, and Shawn's) plans all came together in the end was an absolute delight. I think I was only slightly less surprised than Maryrose. i am not sure how they are going to wrap things up or if there is a natural break point in the source material, but I am really looking forward to the final episodes. |
| Know what? Maybe I should begin to carry bread in my pockets. Phantom disturbance resolved, the mainly people involved had a heart-to-heart. Great. |
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| DANG, Maryrose and Roaemary's undulating control being of the Phantom is causing both Kate and John to quiver in fear, much less their soot powers being ineffective and their plan going awry. And given the Phantom's control, they will not let both Shadows leave alive, but at least both Emilico and Shaun were safe and made to act to be controlled by the soot, and Kate probably used too much soot to cover both of their eyes in spite of the high-density scorches aimed at them. The most unlikely of sources being bread to replenish their strength, and John obviously took this as an offering of love from Kate to "power up". But with the high-density scorches also coming their way, Kate's intelligence is far beyond any capability of the Shadows, and this same intelligence is used on good behalf to think ahead and get help, although the Star Bearers already labelled Kate as a hindrance. Truth be told, both Emilico and Shaun ended up tracing their masters' footsteps, and aside from Emilico's usual concerns, that's so like her. But with the scorches chasing them, it's not long before Maryrose trapped them...though it's a good disguise to swap the Shadows with the Living Dolls and trap them instead. The "Mouth full of water" tactic really worked wonders, and John's "John Punch" amped up a notch thanks to Emilico initiating the swap. Brilliant minds think alike, but it's a collective effort from everyone. The verdict is out: Maryrose and Rosemary painted as Master Robe that's doing all the dirty work with the phantom disturbance that Kate was falsely accused of, it would prove as good evaluation of promotion to the Star Bearers, and their arc is done, finished. What an arc surrounding Master Robe in this sequel, it's definitely one of the highlights of the manga, and seeing it animated is just as surreal. |
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| Damn I feel bad for Maryrose and Rosemary. Are they gonna be disposed off? |
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| Love that Emilico and Shaun know how Kate and John think and act. Really helped them with Maryrose's powers. On another note, I'm impressed with Kate's idea. Thought she made a doppelganger ("Shadow clone"?) for John and dressed it up in his clothes so that the real John can smash the water fountain. Nonetheless, that was crafty. Now that they have been captured their punishment will be severe. Wonder if Barbara/Barbie have anything to say to them. |
hai_X_isSep 9, 2022 10:43 AM
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| A comment praising Emilico's seiyuu for imitating Kate's seiyuu made me check the cast and notice that these are the only ones with different seiyuu, add that to the fact that unlike the rest their names are not similar. This made me think that maybe Kate is not Emilico's shadow and Emilico is not Kate's doll, and there are other two somewhere else, but, uh, it's just a vague throaway idea. I wish I had something else to say about the episode but it was pretty straightforward for that, I don't buy how they defeated Maryrose, or Rosemary, I don't remember which one is the shadow. |
Awww I feel bad for Maryrose and Rosemaryโน๏ธ all they wanted to do was find out the truth and now since they rebelled the shadows house might up security๐ but on another note it was INCREDIBLY COOL ASF to see what Kate and John look like if they were weren’t shadows๐คฉ๐คฉ๐คฉ they look so cute๐ฉ |
| Emilico's plan was great, switching clothes and getting soot on them so they could trap Rosemary with real John's punch, they finally caught and she'll be delivered, at least this case seems somewhat resolved now |
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| I know that Emilico is a bread maniac...but squashed wet bread? Really? That's taking things too far. |
| This episode was pretty dope. Now to wait in suspense over what's going to happen with Rosemary and Maryrose in the next episode. I'm becoming increasingly aware of how messed up the lyrics are on the opening song despite the upbeat tone now that the secret is out. |
| lot of fun. soot irritation  cleanse ur eyes  shaun carry emilico but john cant carry kate  kate thanking john moment ruined..  cant wait |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
F8L-Fool said: Kinda confused why Kate and John can submerge themselves in water like it is nothing. Are you talking about the scorches vanishing in the water? The Shadow nobles aren't made of soot, they just emit it, so they can soak themselves in water without a care. |
| I wonder if Edward will be ultimately defeated by bread, that would be a gigachad move. |
| Another nice episode but not gonna lie, Maryrose being defeated by a big splash of water felt kinda underwhelming. |
| Shadows House S2 would have been my AOTS pick if Made in Abyss S2 hadn't aired this season. Goddamn this was an impressive episode. |
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| I was really hoping for Kate to release MR&RM but yeah, it had to go that way |
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| Very enjoyable episode as always. I wonder what will happen to Marie-Rose and Rosemary... |
| I disliked this episode for the same reason I disliked Jojo's Part 2 so much: the constant reveals of "oh, we actually had this all planned out after all" without even the slightest indication last episode made it feel like the writers were just pulling things out of their asses to keep the plot moving and to allow Kate and John to come out on top after all. |
CaptainKenshiro said: A comment praising Emilico's seiyuu for imitating Kate's seiyuu made me check the cast and notice that these are the only ones with different seiyuu, add that to the fact that unlike the rest their names are not similar. This made me think that maybe Kate is not Emilico's shadow and Emilico is not Kate's doll, and there are other two somewhere else, but, uh, it's just a vague throaway idea. I wish I had something else to say about the episode but it was pretty straightforward for that, I don't buy how they defeated Maryrose, or Rosemary, I don't remember which one is the shadow. I won't spoil if you are right about why Kate and Emilico having different seiyuu. But I will point out, they are not the only ones with not related names. Even if you don't count Shirley/Rum (whos different names were explaned) we have Sarah/Mia and Christopher/Anthony pairs at least. Atavistic said: I disliked this episode for the same reason I disliked Jojo's Part 2 so much: the constant reveals of "oh, we actually had this all planned out after all" without even the slightest indication last episode made it feel like the writers were just pulling things out of their asses to keep the plot moving and to allow Kate and John to come out on top after all. This is the argument I hear lots of the time: "I have not predicted/did not understood the twist = it is bad". It is not bad as it was explained logically. Here it was explained properly. It is only bad if authors cannot make a plausible explanation. |
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Nachtwandler_21 said: CaptainKenshiro said: A comment praising Emilico's seiyuu for imitating Kate's seiyuu made me check the cast and notice that these are the only ones with different seiyuu, add that to the fact that unlike the rest their names are not similar. This made me think that maybe Kate is not Emilico's shadow and Emilico is not Kate's doll, and there are other two somewhere else, but, uh, it's just a vague throaway idea. I wish I had something else to say about the episode but it was pretty straightforward for that, I don't buy how they defeated Maryrose, or Rosemary, I don't remember which one is the shadow. I won't spoil if you are right about why Kate and Emilico having different seiyuu. But I will point out, they are not the only ones with not related names. Even if you don't count Shirley/Rum (whos different names were explaned) we have Sarah/Mia and Christopher/Anthony pairs at least. Atavistic said: I disliked this episode for the same reason I disliked Jojo's Part 2 so much: the constant reveals of "oh, we actually had this all planned out after all" without even the slightest indication last episode made it feel like the writers were just pulling things out of their asses to keep the plot moving and to allow Kate and John to come out on top after all. This is the argument I hear lots of the time: "I have not predicted/did not understood the twist = it is bad". It is not bad as it was explained logically. Here it was explained properly. It is only bad if authors cannot make a plausible explanation. Ah fuck I can't believe I forgot about them, my bad. |
| Damn, time flew fast this episode. |
corner_twist said: Atavistic said: I fail to see how there was an asspull. Could you please elaborate?I disliked this episode for the same reason I disliked Jojo's Part 2 so much: the constant reveals of "oh, we actually had this all planned out after all" without even the slightest indication last episode made it feel like the writers were just pulling things out of their asses to keep the plot moving and to allow Kate and John to come out on top after all. Sorry for interefering into discussion. How didn't Maryrose notice Emilico and John, why did she stay so far behind? A big mistake considering her intelligence. The vast majority of battles in anime (if not all) really make the opposition incopetent for "great" gotcha effects. By the way, why didn't Maryrose simply jump over the wall using her powers before? My only explanation is that she waited for too long, and after meeting was forced to deal with Kate&Co first before escaping to win more time. Perhaps, letting Maryrose escape could've been a better option for Kate, I am not sure that this would implicate her in any way if Maryrose would've left a note that she did it alone. This would've been a risky move though, perhaps too risky. |
stopthisregbs said: corner_twist said: I fail to see how there was an asspull. Could you please elaborate? Sorry for interefering into discussion. How didn't Maryrose notice Emilico and John, why did she stay so far behind? A big mistake considering her intelligence. The vast majority of battles in anime (if not all) really make the opposition incopetent for "great" gotcha effects. By the way, why didn't Maryrose simply jump over the wall using her powers before? My only explanation is that she waited for too long, and after meeting was forced to deal with Kate&Co first before escaping to win more time. Perhaps, letting Maryrose escape could've been a better option for Kate, I am not sure that this would implicate her in any way if Maryrose would've left a note that she did it alone. This would've been a risky move though, perhaps too risky. Yeah, this whole section is a bit out there. Not really going to find a logical explanation on who arrived where, when, when did they switch, how did Maryrose not notice the presence of other pair (before the clothes switcheroo), etc. The easy way to describe it is that she decided to camp the fountain / entrance to the mansion after becoming aware that they were in the aqueduct (a place where she cannot fight anyways). |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
| I found this one quite boring and I didn't felt any tension going on. |
| So why didn't they just all team up? With all their combined powers couldn't they liberate shadows house and free the humans? If Maryrose and Rosemary failed their escape they are going to be killed anyways. |
| Shaun looked good in John's clothes, while Kate's clothes didn't suit Emilico at all, red's clearly not her color. |
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Koshii said: So why didn't they just all team up? With all their combined powers couldn't they liberate shadows house and free the humans? If Maryrose and Rosemary failed their escape they are going to be killed anyways. They would be no match for the adults who have already combined with their humans. Plus they gotta keep things undercover, most of the house is under brainwashing after all. The timing was just bad, they met too late to make a lasting alliance as explained already by Maryrose and Rosemary. |
MomoSinX said: Koshii said: So why didn't they just all team up? With all their combined powers couldn't they liberate shadows house and free the humans? If Maryrose and Rosemary failed their escape they are going to be killed anyways. They would be no match for the adults who have already combined with their humans. Plus they gotta keep things undercover, most of the house is under brainwashing after all. The timing was just bad, they met too late to make a lasting alliance as explained already by Maryrose and Rosemary. That's true, it was either the Rose's or Kate&Emilico. I'm curious about how long she knew Kate was a special morph, or if she only had a hunch because she said "as I thought." |
Nachtwandler_21 said: Atavistic said: I disliked this episode for the same reason I disliked Jojo's Part 2 so much: the constant reveals of "oh, we actually had this all planned out after all" without even the slightest indication last episode made it feel like the writers were just pulling things out of their asses to keep the plot moving and to allow Kate and John to come out on top after all. This is the argument I hear lots of the time: "I have not predicted/did not understood the twist = it is bad". It is not bad as it was explained logically. Here it was explained properly. It is only bad if authors cannot make a plausible explanation. lol how was it explained logically exactly?? their "plans" this episode were plot convenience after plot convenience. As someone already pointed out, how did Maryrose arrive so late even with her powerss, how didn't she notice Emilico and Shaun? How did she not notice their presence before they exchanged clothes? How was she so far behind on everything when if you think about it, it makes no sense for Emilico & Shaun to arrive before her. And why didn't she just jump over the wall using her powers? Like, if you think this is all plausible and "logical" explanation, if you aren't bothered by these having no answer then good for u lol but the reality imo is it's way too far-fetched and forced. I liked the previous ep but this one was messy. |
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nostalgiaas said: Nachtwandler_21 said: This is the argument I hear lots of the time: "I have not predicted/did not understood the twist = it is bad". It is not bad as it was explained logically. Here it was explained properly. It is only bad if authors cannot make a plausible explanation. lol how was it explained logically exactly?? their "plans" this episode were plot convenience after plot convenience. As someone already pointed out, how did Maryrose arrive so late even with her powerss, how didn't she notice Emilico and Shaun? How did she not notice their presence before they exchanged clothes? How was she so far behind on everything when if you think about it, it makes no sense for Emilico & Shaun to arrive before her. And why didn't she just jump over the wall using her powers? Like, if you think this is all plausible and "logical" explanation, if you aren't bothered by these having no answer then good for u lol but the reality imo is it's way too far-fetched and forced. I liked the previous ep but this one was messy. While there isn't a 100% infallible explanation for it, it's also not impossibly unrealistic. What transpired in the episode can perfectly happen in a realistic setting. Not sure why everyone always assumes that fictional characters will always come up with the best possible option that covers all angles. Yes, it's possible for the dolls to not have been spotted. Yes, it's possible for MR to not have foreseen this, just like it's possible that she made a mistake by deciding to camp the fountain. In her mind the living dolls were out, so how could she have even been looking for them? let alone considering them a possibility in the mix? |
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Infatuate said: nostalgiaas said: lol how was it explained logically exactly?? their "plans" this episode were plot convenience after plot convenience. As someone already pointed out, how did Maryrose arrive so late even with her powerss, how didn't she notice Emilico and Shaun? How did she not notice their presence before they exchanged clothes? How was she so far behind on everything when if you think about it, it makes no sense for Emilico & Shaun to arrive before her. And why didn't she just jump over the wall using her powers? Like, if you think this is all plausible and "logical" explanation, if you aren't bothered by these having no answer then good for u lol but the reality imo is it's way too far-fetched and forced. I liked the previous ep but this one was messy. While there isn't a 100% infallible explanation for it, it's also not impossibly unrealistic. What transpired in the episode can perfectly happen in a realistic setting. Not sure why everyone always assumes that fictional characters will always come up with the best possible option that covers all angles. Yes, it's possible for the dolls to not have been spotted. Yes, it's possible for MR to not have foreseen this, just like it's possible that she made a mistake by deciding to camp the fountain. In her mind the living dolls were out, so how could she have even been looking for them? let alone considering them a possibility in the mix? I'm not saying she was supposed to be looking for them, but I just wonder how on earth she got there way after them when she was on an advantage... I mean, Emilico and Shaun got away way later so there's no way they could've gotten to the fountain before MR did and let alone still have spare time for all the shenanigans. |
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nostalgiaas said: Infatuate said: While there isn't a 100% infallible explanation for it, it's also not impossibly unrealistic. What transpired in the episode can perfectly happen in a realistic setting. Not sure why everyone always assumes that fictional characters will always come up with the best possible option that covers all angles. Yes, it's possible for the dolls to not have been spotted. Yes, it's possible for MR to not have foreseen this, just like it's possible that she made a mistake by deciding to camp the fountain. In her mind the living dolls were out, so how could she have even been looking for them? let alone considering them a possibility in the mix? I'm not saying she was supposed to be looking for them, but I just wonder how on earth she got there way after them when she was on an advantage... I mean, Emilico and Shaun got away way later so there's no way they could've gotten to the fountain before MR did and let alone still have spare time for all the shenanigans. Huh? I'm a bit confused. She had a ghost already waiting at the fountain, meaning she was camping there from -before- not after. It is not disclosed where exactly did the pairs met up either. |
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Infatuate said: nostalgiaas said: I'm not saying she was supposed to be looking for them, but I just wonder how on earth she got there way after them when she was on an advantage... I mean, Emilico and Shaun got away way later so there's no way they could've gotten to the fountain before MR did and let alone still have spare time for all the shenanigans. Huh? I'm a bit confused. She had a ghost already waiting at the fountain, meaning she was camping there from -before- not after. It is not disclosed where exactly did the pairs met up either. Oh lmao yeah you're right, it's my mistake. I replayed the scene again because I somehow missed that she was actually camping there and didn't just get there. Now it makes more sense thank you, although I still don't really like the twist overrall |
nostalgiaasSep 15, 2022 9:43 PM
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| Damn some 200 iq planning that was from Kate, who could've seen it coming lol. And that brought the curtains over this whole robe scandal. I don't really have a good feeling about Maryrose and Rosemary going forward. |
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| I got the idea they switched places, but... when it happened? Like.. when they were able to exchange their clothes and all? Also, if those Scorchs were following Kate and Shaun all the time, didn´t they notice anything when they exchanged places? UNLESS , they did it on a part of the the aqueduct which was covered (mouth of the aqueduct; John mentions it), and so the scorchs probably didn´t notice (I believe Kate and John was waiting for Kate and Shaun inside there). That would be plausible to answer those questions. Moreover, that "whip soot power" taking down a few of those scorchs when Emilico (already disguised as Kate) was going upstairs running towards the fountain, was probably used/controlled by Kate from afar. But this is just me coming up with a hypothesis of when/how they exchanged places and clothes. Maybe there is something in the manga to clarify those scenes specifically. Going to look for them later in the manga. |
Vi-Sep 27, 2022 8:37 AM
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| Didn't expect them to do that trick, and although they kind of doesn't want to, still have no choice but to report her to shadow house in the end. |
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