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Oct 29, 2021 11:01 AM

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I felt this one was better than his other work, “Perfect Blue.” I thought this was way better. But I can see how it’s not for everyone, haha. I get you

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Oct 29, 2021 11:06 AM

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Weebbe

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Well, the creator of it, Satoshi Kon,us definitely not an amateur when it comes to anime. I haven't seen this particular show tho, so I can't say my full opinion.

Oct 29, 2021 11:16 AM

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eekeen

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Did we watch the same show?

I can't agree with anything you claimed. Calling Satoshi Kon an amateur is almost taboo. Its episodic- and weird nature can be deemed as a valid criticism, but to say that there's no plot is outright wrong and dishonest.

The whole plot is about identifying Lil' Slugger, but as the show progresses it's harder to do so, since you're questioning his existance. Satoshi Kon is great at portraying the boundaries between fiction and reality. The core message is about facing your fears and accepting guilt, which is portrayed at the ending with Tsukiko (or whatever her name is).

Edit: It's very psychological, since Lil' Slugger and each episode becomes progressively more distorted, but that should've been clear just by watching the show. This feels redundant to even mention.

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Oct 29, 2021 11:20 AM

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Nah, this anime is an amazing piece of art it truly reflects the gruesome truth of our reality but I understand where you are coming from, satish kon’s works aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but it’s okay because being honest is better than faking. But at the end of the day it’s just art which is subjective each one has their own perspective. I personally loved this series the way Santoshi Kon was able to lay out the dark truth of our human minds which are driven by greed,lust and other sins via the visuals and the characters representing them, but each to their own I guess.

Oct 29, 2021 11:24 AM

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eekeen said:
Did we watch the same show?

I can't agree with anything you claimed. Calling Satoshi Kon an amateur is almost taboo. Its episodic- and weird nature can be deemed as a valid criticism, but to say that there's no plot is outright wrong and dishonest.

The whole plot is about identifying Lil' Slugger, but as the show progresses it's harder to do so, since you're questioning his existance. Satoshi Kon is great at portraying the boundaries between fiction and reality. The core message is about facing your fears and accepting guilt, which is portrayed at the ending with Tsukiko (or whatever her name is).

Edit: It's very psychological, since Lil' Slugger and each episode becomes progressively more distorted, but that should've been clear just by watching the show. This feels redundant to even mention.

some people just don’t understand what Santoshi kon’s works offer and are unable to understand the masterpieces they are.

Oct 29, 2021 11:29 AM

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eekeen

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Monarch360 said:

eekeen said:
Did we watch the same show?

I can't agree with anything you claimed. Calling Satoshi Kon an amateur is almost taboo. Its episodic- and weird nature can be deemed as a valid criticism, but to say that there's no plot is outright wrong and dishonest.

The whole plot is about identifying Lil' Slugger, but as the show progresses it's harder to do so, since you're questioning his existance. Satoshi Kon is great at portraying the boundaries between fiction and reality. The core message is about facing your fears and accepting guilt, which is portrayed at the ending with Tsukiko (or whatever her name is).

Edit: It's very psychological, since Lil' Slugger and each episode becomes progressively more distorted, but that should've been clear just by watching the show. This feels redundant to even mention.

some people just don’t understand what Santoshi kon’s works offer and are unable to understand the masterpieces they are.

That's why I said: "It's episodic- and weird nature canbe deemed as valid criticism, but to say that there's no plot is outright wrong and dishonest."

I understand people not understanding his work due to its ambiguity and heavily relying on themes, but what he said was dishonest to the show and Satoshi Kon overall. The thread-maker's mindset is: "I think it's bad due to this reason, therefore it's bad.", which is a very dishonest and dull mindset to have.

Edit: I'll provide with an example. I dislike Code Geass due to several factors, I wont bash the director and people who enjoy it. I understand its' qualities, but has deemed it's not a show for me. Is it a bad show? No, I don't think so. It's just not for me.

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Oct 29, 2021 11:30 AM

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Personally even I didn't enjoy this anime, I nearly dropped it in fact, but I know the fact that the author isn't an amateur when it comes to writing

Oct 29, 2021 11:30 AM

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I dont even like paranoia agent, and i think youre reasoning is a little weak. Go watch a youtube video on it or something if you want to figure out the point.

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Oct 29, 2021 4:08 PM

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Extremely disappointed also. And the worst part is his movie "Perfect blue" is my FAVORITE anime movie of all time. And that's extremely crazy especially with all the great anime movies put there. This shows plot was extremely weak and was hardly linear as they try to fill the show with pointless lore and almost filler like episodes to cover the fact that they don't have any good ideas to lengthen the actual story of the show. I dont care what people in this thread are saying defending how its good and you shouldn't either, you stated a valid opinon and people should just pipe down ✌

Oct 29, 2021 4:33 PM

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weebisme1 said:
Extremely disappointed also. And the worst part is his movie "Perfect blue" is my FAVORITE anime movie of all time. And that's extremely crazy especially with all the great anime movies put there. This shows plot was extremely weak and was hardly linear as they try to fill the show with pointless lore and almost filler like episodes to cover the fact that they don't have any good ideas to lengthen the actual story of the show. I dont care what people in this thread are saying defending how its good and you shouldn't either, you stated a valid opinon and people should just pipe down ✌

yes that's what I'm telling the plot is so weak and story is also very messed-up.

Oct 29, 2021 6:03 PM

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this show is a perfect taste litmus test - if you don't at least understand what it's going for, you have mediocre taste at best. Probably trash taste.

If you can't understand from the beginning that this show is a complex psycho-social story where the messages and symbols matter more than any one particular character, you are lacking in even basic media literacy. It's okay if it's not for you, but you seem totally mentally incapable of engaging with the show. Like you're reading poetry in a language you don't know.

Oct 29, 2021 6:30 PM

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Sand_bag said:
This anime is such a disappointment. No actual point of the story I think the author is amature he wrote down what ever came to his mind. There is no plot hole because there is no plot, worst psychological anime I've ever seen.

4/10 for me.

Would hate to be rude although maybe your not old enough to fully understand it yet. There's tv shows/movies I watched when I was like 14 that I liked, but like a lot more once I grew up maybe shared similar hardships, understood themes a bit better and so on. Unfortunately since I started anime in 2018 I was a bit older so I didn't have this issue as often. Maybe try it again in a couple years after seeing some more shows and see how it's aged, although it's not for everyone and that's okay. Personally though I believe it's incredibly disrespectful to assume they are an amateur based on the fact you did not align with it.

Oct 29, 2021 6:35 PM

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Violet42 said:
this show is a perfect taste litmus test - if you don't at least understand what it's going for, you have mediocre taste at best. Probably trash taste.

If you can't understand from the beginning that this show is a complex psycho-social story where the messages and symbols matter more than any one particular character, you are lacking in even basic media literacy. It's okay if it's not for you, but you seem totally mentally incapable of engaging with the show. Like you're reading poetry in a language you don't know.

I mean he gave high school DXD a 10 so....

Oct 29, 2021 6:58 PM

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Bro there is a review section and this is a review, you even gave it a score

But anyways i disagree, there was a plot and it was ambiguous which made it an even better fit for the anime's atmosphere

And calling satoshi kon an amateur? Sure buddy and youre the expert with deep psychological anime right? Thats why you completely understood what the anime was trying to say right?

BloodyTaerOct 29, 2021 7:10 PM

Oct 29, 2021 7:26 PM

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Violet42

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NathanD817 said:

Violet42 said:
this show is a perfect taste litmus test - if you don't at least understand what it's going for, you have mediocre taste at best. Probably trash taste.

If you can't understand from the beginning that this show is a complex psycho-social story where the messages and symbols matter more than any one particular character, you are lacking in even basic media literacy. It's okay if it's not for you, but you seem totally mentally incapable of engaging with the show. Like you're reading poetry in a language you don't know.

I mean he gave high school DXD a 10 so....

A man of "culture" tends not to be very qualified passing judgment on cultured anime. in the OTHER sense of cultured.

Oct 29, 2021 9:23 PM

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NathanD817 said:

Violet42 said:
this show is a perfect taste litmus test - if you don't at least understand what it's going for, you have mediocre taste at best. Probably trash taste.

If you can't understand from the beginning that this show is a complex psycho-social story where the messages and symbols matter more than any one particular character, you are lacking in even basic media literacy. It's okay if it's not for you, but you seem totally mentally incapable of engaging with the show. Like you're reading poetry in a language you don't know.

I mean he gave high school DXD a 10 so....

man who the hell are you I can give any rating I wanted to any show.

Oct 29, 2021 11:24 PM

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Although this is not his best work, Satoshi Kon is one of the best (if not the best) anime directors of all time, in my opinion. Wait 10 years and then rewatch this show and his 5 movies.

Oct 30, 2021 4:25 AM

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Sand_bag said:
This anime is such a disappointment. No actual point of the story I think the author is amature he wrote down what ever came to his mind. There is no plot hole because there is no plot, worst psychological anime I've ever seen.

4/10 for me.

I was gonna say something thing to clear your mind but then I saw "author is an amateur". Dude I just gave up. You make me laugh. Ps: this anime wasn't that good but it had great moments.

MANIKANTA_KJSOct 30, 2021 4:31 AM

Oct 30, 2021 4:45 PM

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It’s worth mentioning that Satoshi Kon states that the genesis of Paranoia Agent stemmed from an abundance of unusable ideas for his previous work, which may explain the nature of the series but is a disservice to his abilities as an auteur. For me the show is appealing because of the loose plot.

To say there is no point to the “story” actually misses the point completely. This is a show driven by the reactions of the cast of characters and the paranoia that is experienced as a result of Lil Slugger; it is this “paranoia agent” that induces a fear in the populace that drives them to consume entertainment as an escape and to exonerate themselves for any issues in their personal lives.

This is not a simple, accessible show and you are absolutely allowed to dislike because of that. All I can suggest for future shows is that you go into them with at least some anticipation that it may require you to think more abstractly.

Nov 7, 2021 10:55 PM

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Sand_bag said:
This anime is such a disappointment. No actual point of the story I think the author is amature he wrote down what ever came to his mind. There is no plot hole because there is no plot

prove that there's no plot.

Nov 12, 2021 7:02 AM

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Sand_bag said:
This anime is such a disappointment. No actual point of the story I think the author is amature he wrote down what ever came to his mind. There is no plot hole because there is no plot, worst psychological anime I've ever seen.

4/10 for me.

you only watched the show as a normal anime fan. You never compared it to the real life problems.EACH AND EVERY EPISODE IS 'TRUTH'. Satoshi Kon just made a true anime which depicted the real life problems. One's fantasies,dreams, jealousy,lust,greed, and everything is showed beautifully. It's a dementia, where plot, character devolopments, story progresses, world building doesn't matter. All that matters is the message it delivers. And whoever rated it 8+ I know they felt the same.

WISHED I COULD ALSO GET TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD FULL OF MAGIC And DUNGEONS, please take me there too if you could (⁠ ⁠◜⁠‿⁠◝⁠ ⁠)⁠♡

Dec 8, 2021 7:57 PM

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I just watched this for the first time and I completely agree that it’s Satoshi Kon’s weakest work and a massive disappointment. The themes of escapism and delusion are evident from the first episode onward and most episodes reiterate the same themes without expanding on them. We get it; escapism is an enemy regardless of whether you’re using false realities as a coping mechanism or awaiting for something terrible to happen to you because you can’t bear to get through the day. I don’t even think most of the episodes worked episodically and his characters aren’t as memorable or realistic as those in any of his films.

Overall, this series needed to be a lot shorter and focus in on its characters instead of being so predictable in its themes and metaphors. I can’t believe anybody would be surprised by the ending. I feel like this series makes Kon’s themes and characters look more naked than ever and shows that he can’t sustain his world building, themes, and narratives on a bigger canvas.

Dec 9, 2021 2:28 AM

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I'm definitely not disappointed

Dec 9, 2021 5:23 AM

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the latter half was all over the place with all disconnected episodic stuff and the ending was meh, I feel like they went too far while playing around with too many ideas that it lost its focus.

it's too unfortunate that satoshi kon never got the chance to make another more polished tv show but I still believe the strengths of paranoia agent are strong enough to make up for some of its shortcomings.

CLADDANDec 9, 2021 5:26 AM

Mar 31, 2022 7:56 PM

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At first I thought u were trolling, but then I saw what were your favorites so I guess you are not very familiar with Satoshi Kon, I just don't get it how did u even come across of something like this.

Paranoia Agent is not something you watch purely to waste time and not paying 100% attention, the message behind every single thing that happened in those 13 episodes are something that titles from your favorites can't even compete.

I suggest you to give it another shot and maybe try reading some analysis online about every episode so you can keep up with what did Satoshi Kon wanted to tell you. This title is not something you watch on a daily basis. If you don't like it the second time with all the analysis, then this genre and Satoshi's work isn't your cup of tea, and that's completely fine.

Apr 17, 2022 1:08 PM

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The opening is the strangest creepiest thing I have ever seen this shit will haunt me forever

Jul 15, 2022 11:04 PM

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All of Kon's osts sound very similar, I prefered the first half of this story, when it was more detective focused and less magical.

Oct 18, 2022 2:26 PM

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It wasn't a masterpiece, unfortunately. Satoshi Kon has the themes over the narrative in all his works, which either make or break it depending on the person, imo it works better in a hour and half than in five hours.

If I can consider ep 8 as a short film tho it would be a 10/10, loved every single moment of it.

Dec 29, 2022 6:18 PM

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I found the anime to be quite a let down. People sing it's praises for its deep messaging which is fine. However, there are many flaws with the anime which mostly center around the episodic nature of the show. While there are some connections between all the episodes there are a few episodes that have one off characters just being there never to really hold relevance again. I find that show lost a lot of steam after episode 4. Watching it felt like a chore more than enjoyment people say oh you don't understand what this anime means is just bs no matter how interesting a message is or the amount of analysis you have to do to "get" an anime doesn't disregard reasons for disliking it. To me this would have been better if it was a shorter series like FLCL or even a movie but as a 13 episode seasonal anime it falls flat and burns out pretty fast. If you tell me oh I don't get the anime or it went above my head you are wrong the series is people trying to escape reality and the dangers of not coming to terms with the truth as well as Kons message on war paranoia. Thats the main message of the show and I found the message to be great but the presentation of that message to be less than good. I do not think Kon is an amateur he has work I like but Paranoia Agent was a hard miss for me at least.

MotherMisatoDec 29, 2022 6:36 PM

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