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Nov 1, 2020 10:42 AM
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I am pretty sure this anime is a high quality production from the 3 episodes I've seen now, but even though I still feel that it lacks something I dunno that is causing it rate to be low... so what is this thing?

And, do you really think that it deserve to be this low? cuz I think it deserve a little bit better.

Nov 3, 2020 6:41 AM
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I don't know about you but I personally found it boring. The world is generic, the characters are generic and I have no reason to care about either.
Nov 3, 2020 8:11 AM
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Fay207 said:
I am pretty sure this anime is a high quality production from the 3 episodes I've seen now, but even though I still feel that it lacks something I dunno that is causing it rate to be low... so what is this thing?

And, do you really think that it deserve to be this low? cuz I think it deserve a little bit better.



I don't understand too, it's my best show this season, everything about the show is great. It's mind boggling shows like kuma kuma bear are having better ratings.

Nov 3, 2020 8:53 AM
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I think it deserves to be a 7 or higher at least. But oh well, people don't have the patience to admire the wonderful world building in this series and rather watch simpler and more generic isekai fantasies.
Nov 4, 2020 3:36 AM
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I think it's mainly because the animation is subpar. The story itself is honestly really engaging, and only getting better, so I assume most people just saw a couple of minutes of it before dismissing it because it didn't immediately grab them. It's a shame too, because it really is one of the better shows this season, but it seems like it will never get the attention it deserves.
Nov 4, 2020 5:54 AM
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Rating is low because the anime wasn't engaging at the start :
_ one MC is a wimp (at least at the start)
_ second MC doesn't do much, is apparently on the "bad" side and follows the orders of a psycho even though he is a good guy.
_ plot is complex and not clear at all at the start. There's no defined goal.Things slowly connect to each other only after several episodes so you need patience and even now, there are still many things that aren't clear.
_ "good" people die

I do think the story is interesting and gets better but as of now, I'm pretty sure a lot of people gave up already after the first 2 episodes and let a bad score. It's not surprising when you know that the majority of anime watchers prefers stories that are easily understandable.
Ysad_ZiwezhanNov 4, 2020 6:00 AM
Nov 4, 2020 11:25 AM
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Dr_Peace said:
I think it's mainly because the animation is subpar. The story itself is honestly really engaging, and only getting better, so I assume most people just saw a couple of minutes of it before dismissing it because it didn't immediately grab them. It's a shame too, because it really is one of the better shows this season, but it seems like it will never get the attention it deserves.


I don't think animation is subpar. Background art and visual effects are both good, and though the action scenes in episode one where really inconsistent, action of episode 3 looked nice. The character acting is very expressive too, character design is not very detailed and it gets inconsistent but there is some fluidity in movements. The main thing about animation might be actually the character design and episode 1 fight, because I don't really think it's subpar in anything else. Even direction is quite good in many scenes (for instance, while Innumael's sister was talking about her brother, there was a light on the scene as if a door was opened while the camera was still focusing on the sister and then it jumped to the flashback were, from the same door, Innumael appeared. It's not mind blowing but it is fair enough for the scene, I guess).
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Nov 4, 2020 1:56 PM
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Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
Rating is low because the anime wasn't engaging at the start :
_ one MC is a wimp (at least at the start)
_ second MC doesn't do much, is apparently on the "bad" side and follows the orders of a psycho even though he is a good guy.


I quite get th MC issue, really there is no attractive character in the anime.. The story itself and the art are good.. But there is no one to look forward to, it have some realty which we dont like cuz we want to see some heroic personality in animes...
Nov 4, 2020 2:01 PM
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Persona111 said:
Dr_Peace said:
I think it's mainly because the animation is subpar. The story itself is honestly really engaging, and only getting better, so I assume most people just saw a couple of minutes of it before dismissing it because it didn't immediately grab them. It's a shame too, because it really is one of the better shows this season, but it seems like it will never get the attention it deserves.


I don't think animation is subpar. Background art and visual effects are both good, and though the action scenes in episode one where really inconsistent, action of episode 3 looked nice. The character acting is very expressive too, character design is not very detailed and it gets inconsistent but there is some fluidity in movements. The main thing about animation might be actually the character design and episode 1 fight, because I don't really think it's subpar in anything else. Even direction is quite good in many scenes (for instance, while Innumael's sister was talking about her brother, there was a light on the scene as if a door was opened while the camera was still focusing on the sister and then it jumped to the flashback were, from the same door, Innumael appeared. It's not mind blowing but it is fair enough for the scene, I guess).


Episode 3 fighting scenes absolutely was attractive.. The animation is indeed strong in this anime and anyone could see that just from the trailer.. Unless its someone that knows nothing about what good animation is.. Or have a different taste which is somthing we can't control
Fay207Nov 4, 2020 2:04 PM
Nov 4, 2020 2:35 PM
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Persona111 said:
I don't think animation is subpar. Background art and visual effects are both good, and though the action scenes in episode one where really inconsistent, action of episode 3 looked nice. The character acting is very expressive too, character design is not very detailed and it gets inconsistent but there is some fluidity in movements. The main thing about animation might be actually the character design and episode 1 fight, because I don't really think it's subpar in anything else. Even direction is quite good in many scenes (for instance, while Innumael's sister was talking about her brother, there was a light on the scene as if a door was opened while the camera was still focusing on the sister and then it jumped to the flashback were, from the same door, Innumael appeared. It's not mind blowing but it is fair enough for the scene, I guess).


When I said the animation is subpar, I'm mainly talking about how stiff the movements are most of the time. Admittedly this has improved somewhat in the last couple of episodes, but it was very noticeable when I first started watching, and I could understand why it would turn people off from the show without giving it a proper chance.
Nov 4, 2020 3:11 PM

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tbh the animation looked stiff on that very first ep, but I really like the artstyle, that look inbetween of the clean part of digital art but the more variable lines, pretty sure most anime that is kinda serious looks like this but its something i really like tbh even if its common.

I wasn't expecting this ammount of care on anything they shown this far from a mobile game anime adaptation, kinda having the same reaction i had with the pso2 anime when i realised it actually had a kinda decent story, but this time that but x10 cus its a mobile game. From the direction, writing, sound and artstyle this anime has been really enjoyable, defently a 7 or more depending on where it goes from here
Nov 5, 2020 12:27 AM
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Fay207 said:
I am pretty sure this anime is a high quality production from the 3 episodes I've seen now, but even though I still feel that it lacks something I dunno that is causing it rate to be low... so what is this thing?

And, do you really think that it deserve to be this low? cuz I think it deserve a little bit better.



Never take too much stock in MAL's scores and rankings. Shows like this, that are bit of a slow burn and take time to develop the story and characters never get much traction with MAL viewers.
The animation is ok, but nothing spectacular.
Add to this that there is no big hype behind it, no easy to place self insert characters and a lack of "waifus" or humor characters that scream a lot, and well, it never had much of a chance.
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Nov 5, 2020 3:11 AM

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Fay207 said:
Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
Rating is low because the anime wasn't engaging at the start :
_ one MC is a wimp (at least at the start)
_ second MC doesn't do much, is apparently on the "bad" side and follows the orders of a psycho even though he is a good guy.


I quite get th MC issue, really there is no attractive character in the anime.. The story itself and the art are good.. But there is no one to look forward to, it have some realty which we dont like cuz we want to see some heroic personality in animes...


Exactly, I guess we could say, they have "potential for growth" and that will come later I suppose.
I like the girl and her smuggler friends at least.

I would add in the list of things that might be a problem is the grey story-telling. When you think about it the second mc is at the origin of the whole mess just because "he wanted to help" and as the first mc, his first kill is a really good guy who was providing shelter for kids.Usually people prefer having stories where a very good guy beats a very evil guy. But here the situation is way darker and not so comfortable or you could say awful in many cases if you have a bit of empathy for second characters.
Nov 7, 2020 4:57 AM

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Otaku are not fond of serious thought provoking mature themed shows with an overarching mystery plot that don't spoonfeed their audience but instead require paying attention and doing some thinking on your own. For me though, this is a serious aots contender
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Nov 7, 2020 4:57 PM
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I dont understand, looks promising but i almost didnt watch It for the very low score ... What with this ? I can not longer take into account MAL.scores ?

If animes are not fulled with waifus and lolis automatically otakus Will rate It under a 6? I seen very average animes with very predictable plots and generic characters get 10s and 9s ... I'm not saying this is either that but not a 6
Nov 10, 2020 12:40 PM

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Game adaptions usually tend to be boring. (Especially with mobile game stuff.) This one seems to have some deeper plot - which might be followed closely ... until an end.

The beginning was a bit slow though. Compared to other game adaptions this looks more promising. (I mean ... stuff like Granblue Fantasy was boring. Felt like endless adventuring and traveling around. Here at least some more interesting world and background infos.)

Maybe score will go up to something in between 6.5 and 7.2 (would not expect it go go higher than 7.2 t hough).
Nov 10, 2020 7:05 PM
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I have absolutely no idea why it has such a low rating. It's easily my favorite show of the season. I kinda got spoiled with a promo poster on google so I know we haven't even scratched the surface yet regarding the story.
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Nov 11, 2020 3:01 PM
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HexusTG said:
I have absolutely no idea why it has such a low rating. It's easily my favorite show of the season, and I might even say it's one of my favorite shows of all time (depends on if it lives up to my expectations). I kinda got spoiled with a promo poster on google so I know we haven't even scratched the surface yet regarding the story.


Agree from this season is my favorite, i watch It just cuz i was bored and spect nothing since score was so low, and was better than other shows that have better scores that are on going of course.

Mal is weird now, o have seen very Thought provoking animes with scores like 7,2 but the very same cliché shonen battles over 8 ... So idk What other good show i might be missing cuz i Never watxhed a show before if the scored was under 7,5 hahahaha
Nov 12, 2020 12:18 PM
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HexusTG said:
I have absolutely no idea why it has such a low rating. It's easily my favorite show of the season, and I might even say it's one of my favorite shows of all time (depends on if it lives up to my expectations). I kinda got spoiled with a promo poster on google so I know we haven't even scratched the surface yet regarding the story.


This, same like me. Normally,I will rate it 8 since last week, now i give 9 score because it doesnt deserve have this low rate,kinda want to give 10 but i cant ( 10 its only for just one title that i love).
This show was late when aired the first ep and this season have about 39 title (edit 51 title), people already watched other series & not pay attention anymore, and people who have it low score are only from unpatient seasonal watcher.

Ysad_Ziwezhan said:
Rating is low because the anime wasn't engaging at the start :
_ one MC is a wimp (at least at the start)
_ second MC doesn't do much, is apparently on the "bad" side and follows the orders of a psycho even though he is a good guy.
_ plot is complex and not clear at all at the start. There's no defined goal.Things slowly connect to each other only after several episodes so you need patience and even now, there are still many things that aren't clear.
_ "good" people die

I do think the story is interesting and gets better but as of now, I'm pretty sure a lot of people gave up already after the first 2 episodes and let a bad score. It's not surprising when you know that the majority of anime watchers prefers stories that are easily understandable.


Probably if Innumael look like in game version people Will like it.

https://twitter.com/KLab_pr/status/1315929788377255936?s=20
https://twitter.com/magatsu_klab/status/1261268843588009984?s=20
But the character designer said As for Immanuel, there was an order not to make it too handsome, so he drew it while referring to real actors such as quirky faces as well as beautiful shapes. So i guess Naoto Hosoda decided not to make moe character.

https://magatsu-wahrheit-zuerst.com/special/index00160000.html

Naoto Hosoda also said : "This work is set 20 years before the game. We designed the composition so that the timing of the game start is linked to the end of the animation. By doing so, the story as an animation can be seen as a one-shot story, so people coming in from the animation can be seen as a single story, and game fans may be interested. This is because the two stories, the animation and the game, are linked with a good sense of distance and both are established.
KLab, who makes the game, said, "You can freely make a story." That's why I made it a little complicated story like the one I like overseas crime suspense. I aimed for a story with many hints like an overseas drama.
However, when it comes to developing such a story, many of the main characters in the game are too young 20 years ago. Even the elder Leocadio is 15 years old 20 years ago, so it's difficult to tell a deep story. For that reason, we have set up another main character, Immanuel, who is a little older, as the original character".

So i think this show its unique, Immanuel character is original character and Klab just made a new game arc after this base on anime.

https://twitter.com/magatsu_klab/status/1261267585644892160?s=20

Hope the last episode there'll be 20 years later scene, curious why Immanuel not aging & look like Levi not like Leocadio who growing old.

https://twitter.com/magatsu_anime/status/1300363997565329410?s=20
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Dec 30, 2020 10:01 PM
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Maybe with hotter character design + first ep was boring. I like the series a lot, such a shame most people just look at the score and won't watch it:(
Feb 14, 2021 6:30 AM
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I am still confused why this score is so low. I haven't finished the first season yet though. Is the ending that bad? First episode droppers are not counted in the overall rating anymore, since you need to have watched over 1/5 of a shows runtime for your score to count. So the score being STILL only a 6.60 even after finishing airing, is mind boggling to me. The reviews don't even complain that much!

PS: It better not be review-bombing just because it's a mobile game adaption. That's would be really pathetic... Even if you don't like it that much, this is by far a more fully-fetched Anime than any other show that was adapted from a game (except maybe Shingeki no Bahamut?)
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because its a trashy show with an unlikable cast of characters.
Aug 30, 2021 10:33 PM

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I'm conflicted after watching the show.

It has a pretty good story; the plot is engaging, and rarely a dull moment as the pace moves fast. There are a lot of characters with different motivations on either side, and the world expands as the episodes progress. As far as game-inspired anime goes, this is one of the more interesting ones.

However, the cast is just serviceable at best to annoying at worst. Also a lot of cheesy telltales (like leaving the door open during an infiltration and staying there a while to read a diary.... just begging for the bad guys to come and find you) and a lot of deux ex machina to save the main characters when they get in a pinch (as opposed to having the characters find a way out themselves). And I just couldn't stop shaking my head when the MC brings a sword to a gun fight in first episode; seems like a very odd level of technological advancement where they have guns, rockets, magic, surveillance cameras, but swords are still used frequently within the army and are pretty much the only thing that works against the mutated humans.

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