Scum's Wish
| This ending was not what i expected or wished for, but i still found it beautiful, even if it was sad. It was a mature decision made by 2 characters who realised their relationship was shallow and toxic. I don't care how anime makes me feel as long as it makes me feel SOMETHING, and this one definitely did, a lot of things actually. Only now i'm realising that both possible endings would have been great, but i think it was a wise choice to go for the strong message ending rather than the crowd pleasing ending. |
| I agree, I really loved this ending even though I personally would have liked Mugi and Hanabi to end up together. The ending was done so nicely in my opinion since it fit the tone of the whole series and wasn't all perfect and happy. Overall, just really pleased with how they did this. |
| It was suitable (though the inner fanboy in me wanted Mugi and Hanabi to be together). I think they could've left a bit more hope at the end for their relationship to be renewed, that would've been nice. |
| “Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete..." -Alphonse Elric "Then and now, what I protect has never changed!" -Sakata Gintoki I'll take anything like The Pet Girl of Sakurasou. Anything as good as that. |
| Kuzu sinks yr ships, but it's all cool cuz it's a dreadnought. Just because two people care for each other doesn't mean a relationship makes sense or will work. Just because someone has done terrible things doesn't mean they'll face karmic justice. But beyond those unfortunate truths, just because someone goes down the wrong path, it doesn't mean they can't come out the other end, changed, but stronger. Beautiful show. Those who hate the endings of Nana, Honey and Clover, and the like won't like this ending either, but I loved it. |
| TEN COMMANDMENTS: 1) If Evangelion and Psycho-Pass are his only 10s, he probably also worships Tool and smells like cheesy puffs 2) Freudian psychosis =/= good writing 3) Moe blob art style is only ok in pure slice-of-life comedy 4) It's ok to enjoy shounen. Having fun is allowed 5) It is not ok to enjoy isekai (jk, it is, I just fucking hate it) 6) Creator breakdown =/= good writing 7) A story does not have to be wrapped up with a bow. Life is messy, why would a good story need to be tidy? 8) InuYasha is proto-Twilight 9) Ecchi CAN be good, but is almost always an abomination 10) If God is real, They allowed Super Kid to happen, so fuck Them |
| Too real and that is why this one gets a 10 from me. |
Helpme said: Ending was different than complicated. When two people have feelings they try to work it out...Not cliche. I liked that. Real life is often complicated. bastard_of_young said: Not true at all. I loved the ending for both those series but don't like this one. And it felt far from realistic.Beautiful show. Those who hate the endings of Nana, Honey and Clover, and the like won't like this ending either, but I loved it. |
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| It wasn't a normal ending where they get together, it was a weird feeling seeing it happening but, I wasn't opposed to it. In fact I found it kinda nice that they didn't go with a cliche anime ending. Great ending to a great anime 8/10 |
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bastard_of_young said: Beautiful show. Those who hate the endings of Nana, Honey and Clover, and the like won't like this ending either, but I loved it. Nana was amazing, and Kuzu no honkai kinda gave me the same vibes. |
randomman57 said: Not like they were going to get married. When two people like each other they usually try dating. If they decided to give each other some space and time from eachother that would make sense. However the way the series ended; with their final line as "goodbye" pretty much forever puts an end on their relationship.Ragna92 said: Ending was different than complicated. When two people have feelings they try to work it out... Not true at all. I loved the ending for both those series but don't like this one. And it felt far from realistic. I believe it's a matter of perspective. For Hanabi and Mugi to start dating seriously they would have to get over a lot of leftover baggage to make it work. Even then I don't believe it would work because I think Hanabi cared more about Mugi than he ever did about her. A relationship between those two would not be healthy for either of them. If they came back to one another in a year or two after they've matured a bit more I'd understand, but in less than 6 months? No way that is a good idea. I thought it was one sided too but their final moment together made it seem they both felt the same way for each other hence why the path they took seems unrealistic to me... |
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| Dunno if it was expected or not but I liked the tone of it. Some super convenient happy ending would've been really off considering the general theme of the story. This was more bittersweet and realistic and while it wasn't exactly super conclusive, all things considered I think it was fitting So pretty good |
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| As boring as real life where thousands of teenager relationships ends like that every day. I'm not sure it's worth praising. True it's not common to have a boring realistic ending since most romance go for the "and they got together" without exploring what's come next, or more funny and unrealistic, it even ends in marriage sometimes. On the other hand, if the mangaka had even thought about going for the happy ending, she should have begun right from episode 11 to build it up. To bring Hanabi and Mugi together in just one episode, the 12th, would have been rushed. Lots of people say "great ending" but I had here almost no feelings and I'm pretty sure it was the same for many people. It's realistic, true, but the everyday real life is not so exciting or great actually. It doesn't make me dream. |
| So glad that they didn't force a happy ending... Still the final episode lacked the impact of previous episodes... Still this is the Anime of the season.... |
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| My personal thoughts on the ending: It is truly a work of art just like every moment of this anime series, the break up was truly realistic and broke my heart, but it was definitely worth it. People say this anime is exaggerated or is only about sex, but I believe that is not true, it is an artistic expression of real world relationships, through the lenses of conventional anime tropes. In other words, it is a deconstruction of the romance/ harem/ ecchi genre, and a beautiful one at that. ALSO WILL PEOPLE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THEY DIDN'T END UP TOGETHER!!! Romance is NOT defined by the main 2 characters ending up together, it just means there is romance between 2 or more people. This anime is about bettering yourself from being a scummy person, and Hanabi and Mugi are the main characters because they PARALLEL each other. They both try to better themselves by the end, but they had different ways of coming to that decision, even though their paths were similar. Hanabi realizes her mistakes and stood strong on her own after her confession to Kanai before she became completely impure. Mugi fell into temptation even though he knew what he was doing was wrong and instead of bettering himself right away, he needs Akane to break it off with him until he finally accepts his fate. They built their relationship not off trust but, something much more shallow, unrequited love and sex, and that is why THEY CANNOT BE TOGETHER (yet). Hanabi even said it in the last episode: "We finally communicated with each other through words and not with our bodies."-- something along those lines. BRc_MAL said: This is a great anime, the anime turn out to be better than the manga, Studio Lerche really done a great job. Ok, the ending left me confuse. I expected the ending will turn out like this (I burst out of laugh when I saw the ending) buuut.. I feel like the author intend to make a sad ending but kinda rushed thing and left out many things, the thing that I am confused is that why the two have feeling with each other but why they dont want to be together? And isnt their promise is to start new with each other when both of them get rejected and end it with their crush? I could not understand and think of a few reason 1) They both need more time to heal? 2) Mugi doesnt love her, she noticed so she retreat? 3) They both cannot love each other because of their experience with each other before but they still like each other? 4) The Author initially want to follow the previous build up and make them together but changed mind because sad ending get higher rate? 5) there is an Ova or season 2? What do you guys think? They both realized that they need to change for the better, so they moved on from their toxic relationship. Just because you have feelings for someone doesn't mean that your relationship is going to work out, and I think it is painfully obvious by the end that they have a long way to go before they can possibly get back together again, or more likely, just live separate lives. Skurd said: Since it often hinted that it was some love between them as well, I think this ending was trash. I'm sorry to shatter your dreams, but relationships are defined by more than just feelings between 2 people. They were not ready, and will quite possibly never be ready to get back together. Just look at their toxic relationship and how they both betrayed each other's trust multiple times, and how shallow and meaningless their relationship was formed in the first place. Ragna92 said: Ending was different than complicated. When two people have feelings they try to work it out... Not true at all. I loved the ending for both those series but don't like this one. And it felt far from realistic. Ragna, I am not sure how you view real life relationships, but in my experiences and a lot of my families' and friends' experiences, I'd have to say this was actually very realistic. With everything that they went through, it is nearly impossible for them both to get together, relationships aren't as black and white as just feelings and fate, but also trust and compatibility, as well as how they each will effect each other's lives. They still haven't found their own paths in life, and being with each other in their current states will only keep them shackled to the past instead of moving forward in the future. |
| I expected a "where are they now in the future" kind of epilogue, which is why I'm disappointed. I do like the fact that Hanabi and Mugi did NOT end up with each other and everyone moved on. I'd give the episode a 3/5. |
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| Thank you for sinking my ship :')))) Well, I'm quite prepared for that. The fact that, Mugi and Hanabi are not going to end up with each other. It is really weird if they ended up with each other because they are still mourning and moving on. If they did... it would look like they are forcing their selves to each other and continuing the fake relationship more. Not all love stories have happy endings. That's reality. Goodluck to Hanabi and Mugi, I hope that they will be happy in the future and find someone that will heal their broken heart. I'm currently waiting what will happen in the manga. There might be a special chapter where the two of them finally moved on. |
| I thought it was pretty well done and quite predictable because they've sprinkled in hints throughout. Hanabi realized that what she had with Mugi was intimacy that meant very little because it had no passion. At the end, they both value how much they have helped each other, but I think both of them realized that they can move on now. Akane seems to want actual love and Ecchan seems to be coming to terms with being a friend rather than a lover. Essentially, we've gotten nowhere. I think Hanabi grew very little as a person. She had only gotten wiser. Again, I don't think she was a terrible person to begin with. Mugi as well seems to have become wiser, though overall, the only person who seems to have changed was Akane. |
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| Pretty good ending, I've seen some similar ones in the past but overall ended up thinking to myself what a beautiful ending. Felt kinda sad but if it had that cliche ending where two ppl who didnt like each other at first end up together then ya might have lowered my score. |
| Ended nicely, but I wish it was even darker like that in White Album 2 |
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| It will end up as cliche and unrealistic if hana and mugi end up together.But with this ending,im quite unsatisfied.Hmmmm,am i too demanding? Still,this is the best possible ending. |
| Where Words Fail, Music Speaks. -Han Christian Anderson |
Saucy said: Essentially, we've gotten nowhere. I think Hanabi grew very little as a person. ^ This. I liked that the end itself was bittersweet. It felt more 'real' for two characters drawn to each other out of desperation and lust to part ways rather than continue after putting their unrequited first loves behind them. It would've been too awkward for them to get together as a normal couple after their fucked up beginnings. The problem was the episodes leading up to the end. Hanabi's characterisation annoyed me. She regressed back to how she started and was sidelined for Akane. She kept her virginity in a series that discarded shoujo pure wuv for lust, which struck me as a very weak concession on the part of the author to not lose male readers that want their waifu to remain pure. Her character arc going one way - towards a 'Tramp Wars' rivalry with Akane - and then her suddenly being perfectly fine with not doing anything, as she should have been to begin with, made the series feel rather pointless. An absorbing watch but not a satisfying one. PS: The 'you can be a slut if you want' teacher and a slut changing after encountering this alien lifeform was shitty writing. Not at all convincing. |
AironicallyHumanApr 2, 2017 4:25 PM
AironicallyHuman said: Saucy said: Essentially, we've gotten nowhere. I think Hanabi grew very little as a person. ^ This. I liked that the end itself was bittersweet. It felt more 'real' for two characters drawn to each other out of desperation and lust to part ways rather than continue after putting their unrequited first loves behind them. It would've been too awkward for them to get together as a normal couple after their fucked up beginnings. The problem was the episodes leading up to the end. Hanabi's characterisation annoyed me. She regressed back to how she started and was sidelined for Akane. She kept her virginity in a series that discarded shoujo pure wuv for lust, which struck me as a very weak concession on the part of the author to not lose male readers that want their waifu to remain pure. Her character arc going one way - towards a 'Tramp Wars' rivalry with Akane - and then her suddenly being perfectly fine with not doing anything, as she should have been to begin with, made the series feel rather pointless. An absorbing watch but not a satisfying one. PS: The 'you can be a slut if you want' teacher and a slut changing after encountering this alien lifeform was shitty writing. Not at all convincing. I actually think it's pretty good writing for what is essentially a really terrible outcome. It makes sense and they do a good job of showing how people can rationalize putting up with those who hurt them. We've seen it time and time again and in the end it was exactly what anyone would expect to happen in the real world. In the world of fiction we might expect some happy ending or deus ex machina resolution, especially for romances, but this played like more or less like a Shakespearean tragedy. I think it was actually a satisfying ending and it was set up pretty well. I just feel like Mugi didn't get much of a resolution or at least we didn't leave off on a note that shows what his feelings are. More or less a mutual agreement between him and Hanabi, but that's about it. Mugi was probably the most lifeless out of all of them. |
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Draconix814 said: Ragna, I am not sure how you view real life relationships, but in my experiences and a lot of my families' and friends' experiences, I'd have to say this was actually very realistic. With everything that they went through, it is nearly impossible for them both to get together, relationships aren't as black and white as just feelings and fate, but also trust and compatibility, as well as how they each will effect each other's lives. They still haven't found their own paths in life, and being with each other in their current states will only keep them shackled to the past instead of moving forward in the future. Yes, but my point is I didn't feel that way about this scenario. If it wasn't for their final scene together I could totally understand them not getting together. I believe all the writer wanted to do was go for a bittersweet ending. I still think he could've foreshadowed a future relationship for the two rather than a forever goodbye. |
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Ragna92 said: Draconix814 said: Ragna, I am not sure how you view real life relationships, but in my experiences and a lot of my families' and friends' experiences, I'd have to say this was actually very realistic. With everything that they went through, it is nearly impossible for them both to get together, relationships aren't as black and white as just feelings and fate, but also trust and compatibility, as well as how they each will effect each other's lives. They still haven't found their own paths in life, and being with each other in their current states will only keep them shackled to the past instead of moving forward in the future. Yes, but my point is I didn't feel that way about this scenario. If it wasn't for their final scene together I could totally understand them not getting together. I believe all the writer wanted to do was go for a bittersweet ending. I still think he could've foreshadowed a future relationship for the two rather than a forever goodbye. This isn't about how you feel, it's about what will logically happen. The writer didn't foreshadow anything because that isn't the point of them breaking up, it was to show that they are both going down their own paths to discover themselves without being bound to their toxic relationship. You said that you would have been fine if it wasn't the final scene, but please understand that Scum's Wish isn't a romance about the 2 main characters getting together, that was never its goal to begin with, its an artistic expression on how relationships are handled in real life. And the point of a good ending is to deliver the message the anime has been building up, in order to make the story feel complete; a bittersweet ending doesn't, by definition, make an ending bad or less complete, and getting them back together would only kill the message, so what's the problem? As you implied by saying 'it would be fine if the scene wasn't the ending', that the scene wasn't forced, so basically you just want the ending you want? Not all endings are the same, and don't force your preferences on something else that doesn't need it. You're also ignoring how this is not only an ending for Hanabi and Mugi, but for every other support character, including Akane and Kanai, and Ecchan and the other girl for whom's name escapes me. So, you're saying that you would sacrifice the support character's endings AKA a good chunk of what made the show interesting, just to see an ending that ruins the whole message of the show, and quite possibly destroying the feel of what made it so realistic? That, my friend, is called a cop out, and that is a significantly worse received ending in the anime community than the ending that actually happened. Don't get me wrong, if the mangaka made a sequel manga detailing how they get back together again, I would be fine, but that would require about another 12 episodes, and would need something interesting going on, like struggling with their pasts and working out their relationship, however it is completely irrelevant to the message of Season 1 and drastically changes tone, quite possibly losing its fanbase in the process. After reading all of that and considering all my points, can you truly say with certainty that you wish for a better ending? |
Draconix814 said: I know it isn't about how I feel but just stating my opinion. Your points do give me a different look on it though. Both characters are a mess. Getting together at that point would basically be second choice for them since they couldn't get with the one they loved. I do fail to see how their ending has any relation to the other characters. Their respective conclusions with the supporting cast had already been dealt with. Unless you are referring to their feelings towards Akane/Kanai and that there is no way they could move on that fast.Ragna92 said: Yes, but my point is I didn't feel that way about this scenario. If it wasn't for their final scene together I could totally understand them not getting together. I believe all the writer wanted to do was go for a bittersweet ending. I still think he could've foreshadowed a future relationship for the two rather than a forever goodbye. This isn't about how you feel, it's about what will logically happen. The writer didn't foreshadow anything because that isn't the point of them breaking up, it was to show that they are both going down their own paths to discover themselves without being bound to their toxic relationship. You said that you would have been fine if it wasn't the final scene, but please understand that Scum's Wish isn't a romance about the 2 main characters getting together, that was never its goal to begin with, its an artistic expression on how relationships are handled in real life. And the point of a good ending is to deliver the message the anime has been building up, in order to make the story feel complete; a bittersweet ending doesn't, by definition, make an ending bad or less complete, and getting them back together would only kill the message, so what's the problem? As you implied by saying 'it would be fine if the scene wasn't the ending', that the scene wasn't forced, so basically you just want the ending you want? Not all endings are the same, and don't force your preferences on something else that doesn't need it. You're also ignoring how this is not only an ending for Hanabi and Mugi, but for every other support character, including Akane and Kanai, and Ecchan and the other girl for whom's name escapes me. So, you're saying that you would sacrifice the support character's endings AKA a good chunk of what made the show interesting, just to see an ending that ruins the whole message of the show, and quite possibly destroying the feel of what made it so realistic? That, my friend, is called a cop out, and that is a significantly worse received ending in the anime community than the ending that actually happened. Don't get me wrong, if the mangaka made a sequel manga detailing how they get back together again, I would be fine, but that would require about another 12 episodes, and would need something interesting going on, like struggling with their pasts and working out their relationship, however it is completely irrelevant to the message of Season 1 and drastically changes tone, quite possibly losing its fanbase in the process. After reading all of that and considering all my points, can you truly say with certainty that you wish for a better ending? Also, how do you feel about the whole Kanai x Akane relationship. Do you think Akane is going to continue playing around with other men or will she slowly stop and be loyal to just Kanai? A lot of people were put off by this whole relationship and don't find it realistic at all. "I felt for the first time we avoided physical comfort and tried using our words instead. We've never done that before. About everything. Making up for the lost time" "I don't want to be apart. I don't want to let go anymore. I want to hold you. I don't want things to end. Don't let me go. But goodbye." I couldn't help but feel a bad taste after that. I thought they were starting to recover from the mess that they were but guess I was wrong. Relationship started as a cancer and there is no cure for that. All in all I do see it in a different light now. |
Ragna92Apr 7, 2017 3:47 PM
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| God i hate cathartic endings but i think it had to happen. If they stayed together, though there was hints of love between them, it was A) Unbalanced B) Toxic. Adding on to the emotional baggage they shared throughout the series, being together wouldnt have done any good and they both mutually shared those feelings. It HURTS, but its for the best. Maybe we can all hope they would revisit each other years and years from the end and fall in love? Idk, it was a stepping stone for their development as people. As for Kanai and Akane, I'm super fulfilled with their arc. Like Akane actually found someone to care about (while being herself) after her 20+ years of living and its super sweet, though its kind of odd, maybe they will both grow in the future. |
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| Realistic until the very ending. Relationships are complicated and contrary to the popular believe, love doesn't solve everything. Isn't the final i was hoping for but is the final that this anime deserve. |
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Zuseta said: OMFG so I watched this Anime is was very dramitcal and sad but also beautiful....ok the ending... uff what should I say ...ok I cry the whole night because of the Anime, of the ending it was so sad and beautiful but it makes me feel so bad and sad because they ...hm I dont know how to say ...because there ,,ignore ,, each other and go there one ways :( I think its good and realistic that they doesnt be a couple ...but I dont really understnad why they say ,, I dont want to end i dont want to lose you ,, and than they go there one ways and say good bye ...omg this part makes me sooooo sad... and this where they hug and sit on the Floor and talk this was very emotinal for me too...but are they still freinds ? or they go separat for ever ? I hope not because they like each other ...not love but like and it were sad when they never talk to each other.. why they dont surch theyr big love togheter ? Oh my goodnes so many questions and Feelings...I could cry the whole time this Anime is amazing...and I really hope that they see each other and dont ignore each other...yeah i think this was the importents part from Episode 12 for me but yaeh is also sad whit eccahn and nice with akane and oniichan ....so my opinion for this ending is ...it is very nice beautiful and very sad it isnt a bad or a happy ending ...but my wish were that they still be friends and help each other ....there make so many Things togheter and become so good friends it were to sad when they never see each other ...but good that continuing life and surch there big love....very amazing dramatical and emotional Anime I hope that someone read it and answer :3 I like to believe they're still friends. But they felt it necessary to just stay friends. |
| “Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete..." -Alphonse Elric "Then and now, what I protect has never changed!" -Sakata Gintoki I'll take anything like The Pet Girl of Sakurasou. Anything as good as that. |
| Man that was a wild ride! Super unexpected that they didn't end up together especially because the opening animation kind of hinted an ending with these two together or at least that's how I saw it. In the hindsight I think it's better this way and more realistic especially because there were not a lot of episodes left so having them magically get together in just 1-2 episodes would've felt very lackluster and everything that happenend before would have just been a little bit meaningless in my opinion. It's clear that they are not healthy for each other at least for now but it would be nice if we get an OVA with both of them 2 years older or sth! I really liked the chemistry between both of them but oh well their obessions kinda ruined their potential romance so there's that. |
| Nothing much to say. Only the adults have a proper ending while the other pair is an open ending. |
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Ragna92 said: If it wasn't for their final scene together I could totally understand them not getting together. Yeah that scene was really a low blow. That turned a well written ending to a well written ending that sucks, for me. This is why I hate open endings. They never refrain putting those extra scenes that only twist the knife in the wound. Still loved the show though. 8/10 9/10 without the unnecessary part of the last scene |
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AironicallyHuman said: Saucy said: Essentially, we've gotten nowhere. I think Hanabi grew very little as a person. ^ This. I liked that the end itself was bittersweet. It felt more 'real' for two characters drawn to each other out of desperation and lust to part ways rather than continue after putting their unrequited first loves behind them. It would've been too awkward for them to get together as a normal couple after their fucked up beginnings. The problem was the episodes leading up to the end. Hanabi's characterisation annoyed me. She regressed back to how she started and was sidelined for Akane. She kept her virginity in a series that discarded shoujo pure wuv for lust, which struck me as a very weak concession on the part of the author to not lose male readers that want their waifu to remain pure. Her character arc going one way - towards a 'Tramp Wars' rivalry with Akane - and then her suddenly being perfectly fine with not doing anything, as she should have been to begin with, made the series feel rather pointless. An absorbing watch but not a satisfying one. PS: The 'you can be a slut if you want' teacher and a slut changing after encountering this alien lifeform was shitty writing. Not at all convincing. Agree.. The show had a way bigger potential but it was poorly implemented. Still, I can consider it as totally fine - 6/10. |
| is this series fully aadapted? originl ending? |
| Epilogue manga Kuzu no Honkai Décor ended and in the second to last page |
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