Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
| I'm not gonna vote because I know already. What do you guys think? |
| You mean the 8th brave? I doubt non-LN readers will be able to pick the correct one considering there are few clues and the next parts mislead a lot the viewers(in volume 2-3) |
| As much as I doubt it I'm gonna go with Adlet since he's earned everyone's trust hence he's currently the most suspicious. The whole thing with Nashetania trying to get him killed might've all been part of their plan to have him gain everyone's trust and make it pretty easy for him to screw everyone over :P Wouldn't really have an idea though unless we got a S2 :( |
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ValhasDrew said: You mean the 8th brave? I doubt non-LN readers will be able to pick the correct one considering there are few clues and the next parts mislead a lot the viewers(in volume 2-3) That's alright. The point isn't for them to find the correct one. It's to see people's guesses. |
| You know that thread's title is saying to anyone who hasn't watched episode 12 yet that there is still a seventh to guess by then. That's a spoiler... |
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| For fuck sakes I had high hopes going into this series but it turned in the scooby doo mysteries, can a LN reader please tell me who the second 7th fake is and if the story ever progresses to the point of actual battles against the enemy rather endless infighting against a fake. |
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| it progress to actual battles against the enemy right at the beginning of the next volume. If you didn't notice, they asked the king to activate the barrier after they've passed. They're now in the enemy territory, with no one to help them, and with the barrier behind them stopping them to leave. So they can only go forward and fight. They have no clue who the fake is, either. SO they can't especially just wait and find it, as Adlet said at the end of episode 12. The second seventh isn't the mystery of the following volume, but the next volumes will still include other mysteries instead, WHILE fighting the enemy. This story has three MAIN story component -The main story against the fiends army , fiends general and the demon god -The werewolf game with the traitor among them, separated in two parts, one in the first volume and one main afterwards which will last for several volumes -The arc story which often involve a mystery (like finding how the barrier was activated and proving Adlet innocent in the first book), various character's hidden agenda and their past. As such, even if you knew who was the second, this would only waste the tension of the second main story line without giving you anything, so don't ask. That's a waste. |
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Zefyris said: You know that thread's title is saying to anyone who hasn't watched episode 12 yet that there is still a seventh to guess by then. That's a spoiler... It can also be interpreted as "the Seventh wasn't revealed in episode 12." Wait. Though if they clicked inside, they'll see the Rolonia option. Oh well, it's their fault for not watching episode 12 before clicking this, as mentioned in the thread title... Besides, something the anime had already shown can't be called a 'spoiler,' spoilers are things animes haven't shown yet. |
| Thanks for the quick response and answers to my questions now that I know that the 8 episodes of GUESS THAT FAKE! were integral to the story and series in general, I feel less critical of itl and am better able to appreciate it. |
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| *Spends whole show manipualting people to his side* *Tries to flirt with fremy out of nowhere right after discovering her abandonment issues* "Hey Guys since its OBVOUSLY not me who is the seventh, let ME lead you all now!" "Meh lets ignore who is the seventh for now and just move forward, k?" Adlet PLS. |
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| Adlet tbh... logically thinking about it, I can't see anything else giving a big 'wow' factor, unless it is Adlet. Unless they're all fake Braves, and no one was chosen, which I prefer. I'd rather my favorite character not be the traitor, no explanation could prevent me from being depressed. Of course, I've read the first 4 volumes. So phrases such as: CookingPriest said: "Meh lets ignore who is the seventh for now and just move forward, k?" are most definitely wrong. |
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YEEART said: CookingPriest said: "Meh lets ignore who is the seventh for now and just move forward, k?" are most definitely wrong. I am going by what he said this episode. He said that they should focus on moving forward instead of trying to stay and solve who the seventh is. While that makes some sense in terms of urgency, it is also exactly the thing the seventh would say. |
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CookingPriest said: While that makes some sense in terms of urgency, it is also exactly the thing the seventh would say. Well, there is no other option but to wait until the second 7th does something. As long as he/she remains hidden, the 7th is the same as other braves. Meaning that the rest of the braves are still our favorite bunch of suspicious psychopaths. Just look out for betrayal. |
| Adlet because he just mark himself as sceond 7th by claim he no longer suspect. that's what less suspicious plot twist logic will blow. |
neolucaman said: Adlet because he just mark himself as sceond 7th by claim he no longer suspect. I've just re-read that part of the LN. Adlet declares himself the leader (as the least suspicious person) in the beginning of the 2nd volume, so that the braves won't have to argue endlessly who is the 7th and what to do next. His logic isn't solid, but he did solve the temple trap without a single Brave dying, which is as good a proof as any other. |
| Honestly if I didn't spoil myself, I would have thought it would be Mora. Too obvious since she lied to everyone saying that Adlet badly hurt Hans. |
| What could Adlet do? Wait till the new 7th revealed himself? Well, they are in a situation that they HAVE TO MOVE, so I don't rly belive the fact he said they should not dwell about who the new 7th brave is, suspicious. I think the new character, Rolonia, is the 7th brave and here are my points: .There was no actual barrier, anyone could come in and out, since it was only "fog" faking a barrier. .She didn't do it tho, to not raise suspicion over her. .Also, her tatoo is conviniently place in the exact same place as Nashetania's tatoo. |
.There was no actual barrier, anyone could come in and out, since it was only "fog" faking a barrier. .She didn't do it tho, to not raise suspicion over her. Wrong. The barrier was real. It was simply activated AFTER the fog when Nashetanya broke the tablet |
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| Wait wait :D most people think Adlet is 7 because he win everyone trust ?? and yet when Mora told that well episode 9 discussion :P |
| Adlet. Definitely. I just hope his love for Fremy is genuine ;_; |
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ViciLockhart said: Wait wait :D most people think Adlet is 7 because he win everyone trust ?? and yet when Mora told that well episode 9 discussion :P The votes are probably from LN readers... :/ i hope they are not |
Xenocrisi said: ViciLockhart said: Wait wait :D most people think Adlet is 7 because he win everyone trust ?? and yet when Mora told that well episode 9 discussion :P The votes are probably from LN readers... :/ i hope they are not I'm not a LN reader, but Adlet is already at the top of my list. He's far weaker in terms of sheer power compared to the others, and yet he's a Rokka somehow. He probably doesn't know he's the seventh himself. There should hopefully be an explanation as to why that pink beam shot down and gave him that Rokka tattoo though. |
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| I hope it's Adlet, that'll add for some intense scenes between him and Flamie. |
ReaperX- said: I hope it's Adlet, that'll add for some intense scenes between him and Flamie. I really, really hope the Adlet x Fremy ship won't capsize ;____; |
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Leerius said: Since the territory is supposedly deadly for non-wearer of the mark I don't see how could anyone else survive with a fake. If Demon God gave that mark, most likely it would protect the bearer the same way the brave mark does. We know that fiends like the tophat one convinced entire villages to move live there and we know that humans also built Fremy's temple, so most likely they have some sort of way to prevent seleected people from being poisoned. Seventh would be inneficient as all hell if he or she keeled over the moment they entered the lands OneTrueEmiya said: ReaperX- said: I hope it's Adlet, that'll add for some intense scenes between him and Flamie. I really, really hope the Adlet x Fremy ship won't capsize ;____; The only way that forced pairing makes any sense at all considering how out of nowhere it was is if he is the seventh and manipulating her or something. |
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| i hate these types of threads cuz ppl begin to talk as if they know who the seventh is then they make themselves look stupid |
CookingPriest said: .There was no actual barrier, anyone could come in and out, since it was only "fog" faking a barrier. .She didn't do it tho, to not raise suspicion over her. Wrong. The barrier was real. It was simply activated AFTER the fog when Nashetanya broke the tablet I though that breaking the tablet meant deactivating the barrier? Wasn't that when the "fog" plan came, or did I misunderstood that point? |
CookingPriest said: OneTrueEmiya said: I really, really hope the Adlet x Fremy ship won't capsize ;____; The only way that forced pairing makes any sense at all considering how out of nowhere it was is if he is the seventh and manipulating her or something. Don't sink my ship ;___; |
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OneTrueEmiya said: CookingPriest said: The only way that forced pairing makes any sense at all considering how out of nowhere it was is if he is the seventh and manipulating her or something. Don't sink my ship ;___; What Ship? from what I've seen on screen it is either: A) Good Writing With Adlet trying to manipulate her. B) Bad writing with the author being unable to write the romance even if to save his/her life. I'd like to think it is A and not B. Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. |
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Temph said: CookingPriest said: Wrong. The barrier was real. It was simply activated AFTER the fog when Nashetanya broke the tablet I though that breaking the tablet meant deactivating the barrier? Wasn't that when the "fog" plan came, or did I misunderstood that point? It's the other way around. First, Adlet broke into the temple, then demons killed Riura, triggering the fog. At this point everybody was like "omg! the barrier activated!", and started trying to deactivate it. It ended with Adlet and Nashetania really activating the barrier by spilling blood and breaking the tablet (Nashetania was considered the "owner" of the barrier). Then Adlet and Hans went to check if the barrier was really activated, and it was. Later, when Nashetania was found out, she deactivated the barrier and escaped. It probably took some time for the fog to disappear, but by the time Adlet was awake the weather was nice and sunny again. |
CookingPriest said: Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. She was suspicious, wasn't she? CookingPriest said: from what I've seen on screen it is either: A) Good Writing With Adlet trying to manipulate her. B) Bad writing with the author being unable to write the romance even if to save his/her life. A lot of people on these forums think the romance was written believably. Re-watch their first meeting: Adlet has seen Fremy as a girl since they first met, starting talking with "do you like dogs?" and not "I'm Adlet-sama, superhero and chosen one. Have you seen my new underlings around here?". |
CookingPriest said: I always will go with A . someone is pointing gun at you what would you do of course lie .. On thread i have Voted for Fremy still i only see 3 possibilities to be 8 that would have impact on viewer and some/all braves .What Ship? from what I've seen on screen it is either: A) Good Writing With Adlet trying to manipulate her. B) Bad writing with the author being unable to write the romance even if to save his/her life. I'd like to think it is A and not B. Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. |
flannan said: CookingPriest said: Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. She was suspicious, wasn't she? And yet somehow she went to "omg adlet are you hurt sweetie?!!?!" in last few episodes which felt random as all hell. A lot of people on these forums think the romance was written believably. Re-watch their first meeting: Adlet has seen Fremy as a girl since they first met, starting talking with "do you like dogs?" and not "I'm Adlet-sama, superhero and chosen one. Have you seen my new underlings around here?". "A lot of people" liking something does not make it good. A lot of people like Fremy too and I literally can't see an appeal so far. A typical kuudere like Rei or Saber so far. yeah sure he started as do you like dogs, but the moment she revealed her insecurities it suddenly moved to "omg trust me I am so great, I will protect you you can believe in me and depend on me, please trust me" creepyness out of nowhere. And then the moment it seemed Fremy would not side with him(after her rebuking his two barriers theory) he goes "oh well I'll go try Nash now" or something, which seemed random to me, as if he was switching targets because he thought it did not work. I dont see how do you like dogs is relevant since Adlet did not know Fremy for long enough to form any bond with her then unless author is going for love at first sight cliche which makes it B) Bad Writing. "A lot of people" is not an argument. "A lot of people" also claimed Adlet can't be a suspect because he is an MC, which is a ridiculous argument too. For me it seems clear that if Adlet was the seventh he would expect there to be seven on arrival so saving Fremy and trying to get her on his side makes sense, especially if he had similar idea s Nash in causing in-fighting. Then we have him acting like a fool on the outside thing which also marks deception. So the moment he gets suspected he spends the whole time to win the other braves over(which is EXACTLY what 7th would do) - and the only way I see someone winning Fremy over is by manipulating her emotions, which is exactly how Adlet's behavior around her seems. Then we have the kill order on Nash despite him spending whole story trying to go buddy buddy with braves, which makes sense if he is only interested in braves. What's more even the likes of Hans end up trusting him and then Adlet delivers the gold line of "well I am obviously not the fake so I can lead you all now" and is in situation where he is conveniently cut off from human help alone with the braves in a position to lead them. I am sorry but apart from maybe low chance of Fremy or Hans, Adlet is the most likely fake right now - everything he did in the barrier seems to be to get the others to trust him, his relationship with fremy is random as all hell and his "shonen hero" act thing at least to me seems insincere(especially considering the kill order) I just don't see this as "Great Shonen Hero wins over grumpy people with trust and friendship" kind of story. At least I hope it is not or Rokka's value will fall A LOT in my eyes. |
AhenshihaelSep 21, 2015 11:35 PM
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CookingPriest said: love at first sight cliche which makes it B) Bad Writing. Okay, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think love at first sight can be bad writing unless romance is the primary focus of an anime. CookingPriest said: yeah sure he started as do you like dogs, but the moment she revealed her insecurities it suddenly moved to "omg trust me I am so great, I will protect you you can believe in me and depend on me, please trust me" creepyness out of nowhere. And then the moment it seemed Fremy would not side with him(after her rebuking his two barriers theory) he goes "oh well I'll go try Nash now" or something, which seemed random to me, as if he was switching targets because he thought it did not work. Making quick decisions is just Adlet's character. "A good solution applied now is better than a perfect solution applied too late", must be one of the principles Adlet's teacher has beaten into Adlet. He is the guy whose solution to being accused of being the 7th is to take Fremy hostage. CookingPriest said: Then we have the kill order on Nash despite him spending whole story trying to go buddy buddy with braves, which makes sense if he is only interested in braves. First of all, Nashetania talking about half a million victims is really bad. In Adlet's eyes, that was enough to outweigh any noble motives she might have. He was the guy who went out of his way to save a single girl, after all. Second, do you remember Adlet's backstory? His hatred of demons and their allies is real. CookingPriest said: Then we have him acting like a fool on the outside thing which also marks deception. I am sorry but apart from maybe low chance of Fremy or Hans, Adlet is the most likely fake right now - everything he did in the barrier seems to be to get the others to trust him, his relationship with fremy is random as all hell and his "shonen hero" act thing at least to me seems insincere(especially considering the kill order) Adlet is indeed a likely fake from a meta-thinking point of view. It doesn't mean his love for Fremy isn't real. My favorite theory is that Adlet doesn't know that he is fake. CookingPriest said: I just don't see this as "Great Shonen Hero wins over grumpy people with trust and friendship" kind of story. At least I hope it is not or Rokka's value will fall A LOT in my eyes. "Shonen Hero" is indeed what he is taught to be. They're the guys who always win in the end, right? Seeking allies, friendship and teamwork is the right way to fight, there's nothing to gain by being a grumpy avenger when you can band up with other people and pull off impressive feats with teamwork. So just sending a random unsuspecting person into the middle of Rokka is a good enough way to weaken them by sowing suspicion, even before he/she does anything. |
CookingPriest said: "A lot of people" is not an argument. "A lot of people" also claimed Adlet can't be a suspect because he is an MC, which is a ridiculous argument too. "A lot of people" is a bad argument when talking about facts, like "is Adlet fake?". It is a good argument when we're talking about the quality of writing, like "is Adlet x Fremy romance believable?". If you didn't personally experience love at first sight, it doesn't mean love at first sight doesn't exist and is unrealistic. It just means you're less emotional than that. |
flannan said: Or maybe she is more caution to not be deceive by anyone ?:p .. Fremy start think like Mora that Adlet want to win they all trust.She pointed her gun at him so he has no other option just to win somehow her trust by any means. Still Fremy after being that naive in past now after few minutes starting to trust a guy who can just trick her in order to save his own ass ( like in her past she doesn't question and doubt anything how that end ) .If you didn't personally experience love at first sight, it doesn't mean love at first sight doesn't exist and is unrealistic. It just means you're less emotional than that. |
ViciLockhartSep 22, 2015 12:23 AM
Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. I want to see someone trust less than firing at the guy who just confessed, throwing bombs at him and sending a flare for others to kill him. That's going to be difficult. Adlet seriously protected her several times and sacrificed his chance to flee to ensure Fremy would be safe after he's dead. If that's not enough to trust someone, I want to know what is enough here. |
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Zefyris said: Either way, Fremy not even being suspicious of Adlet's random flirting is still bad writing. I want to see someone trust less than firing at the guy who just confessed, throwing bombs at him and sending a flare for others to kill him. That's going to be difficult. Adlet seriously protected her several times and sacrificed his chance to flee to ensure Fremy would be safe after he's dead. If that's not enough to trust someone, I want to know what is enough here. If anyone did all of that after I did the first paragraph, I would have all the more reason to mistrust that person at best and think he is insane at worst. |
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CookingPriest said: Zefyris said: I want to see someone trust less than firing at the guy who just confessed, throwing bombs at him and sending a flare for others to kill him. That's going to be difficult. Adlet seriously protected her several times and sacrificed his chance to flee to ensure Fremy would be safe after he's dead. If that's not enough to trust someone, I want to know what is enough here. If anyone did all of that after I did the first paragraph, I would have all the more reason to mistrust that person at best and think he is insane at worst. you're not in Fremy's situation. You can trust other peoples. She is a hybrid between two races and rejected/KOS by both. If she doesn't trust adlet who did all this for her, she doesn't trust anyone here. Rejecting Adlet like you just suggested is a luxury that you can afford, not her. |
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Zefyris said: CookingPriest said: If anyone did all of that after I did the first paragraph, I would have all the more reason to mistrust that person at best and think he is insane at worst. you're not in Fremy's situation. You can trust other peoples. She is a hybrid between two races and rejected/KOS by both. If she doesn't trust adlet who did all this for her, she doesn't trust anyone here. Rejecting Adlet like you just suggested is a luxury that you can afford, not her. Isn't it the other way around though? I have the luxury to trust people. Someone like Fremy does not because she knows the consequences of trusting someone who betrays you. Of everyone turning against you. Its especially because she is a "fugitive" and a "hybrid" that she should mistrust this. Even her backstory on how fiends pretended to care for her, etc, is something that would be very big warning sign for what Adlet is doing and what he is saying. The only way I can see this is if she genuinely thinks he is insane or semi-crazy from the past he told her or something, so she could relate. And even then, just like Fremy herself said there's no way to confirm or deny what he told her about her past. The fact that the same fiend happened to be int heir both pasts should be a huge warning for someone as mistrustful as her. If its NOT bad writing its either: - She's the seventh and playing him, which would end up in his downfall for randomly trusting her. OR - He's the seventh and playing her, which would end up in her killing him because of how she's motivated to take revenge on her mother for pretending to love her. Either way if the forced awkwardness is intentional, it still creates a situation where all of it could have been avoided in the future if the two simply didn't randomly decide to trust each other. I simply see no reason, either meta or in-story on why those two would not suspect each other after this and be this buddy budy "omg you're hurt". The only even remotely contrived meta reason would be if the one would betray the other eventually and if Adlet's the one, it would mean Fremy's inherently stupid for not distrusting his advances. |
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Kilvann said: Volume 5On wich tome do we know who the 8th is ? i have just started the 2nd tome ? Kilvann said: Nashetania isnt a kyoma. She just can use a kyoma technique.Moreover i think there is no 2nd 7 th : Both nashetanya and Flamie are Kyoma so basicaly there are both False Rokka . I don't see the need of a second traitor it's dumb |
Kilvann said: Nashetanya isn't fiend or half the evidence for that is when Adlet prove Fremy innocence if Nashetanya was half fiend the tool Adlet use would react back then and change color of Altar.Moreover i think there is no 2nd 7 th : Both nashetanya and Flamie are Kyoma so basicaly there are both False Rokka . I don't see the need of a second traitor it's dumb |
Kilvann said: Even if Fremy is my main suspect can i ask why are you certain it's her ? .. Also we don't know what 8 objective and plan is so they have to find him/her avoid trap/backstabing during they way to majin .But to me there's still 6 braves : Maura / Hans / chamot / goldof / Rolonia / adlet 1 saint who work with kyoma : Nashetanya 1 fake : Flamie So i don't see the point to search another traitor. |
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