| wow! this site is kinda a stressful war zone for a feminist huh? i've argued with so many people on here and been disrespected a few times too because i'm "a woman." what are some of the experiences you've had with anti-feminist people on this site? |
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| MAL is toxic, and water is wet. MAL forums is one of the worst userbases I have ever seen. |
| This is literally the only forum I ever go to on MAL, and one of only two anime forums period that I can stand to spend time on. Those two forums are designed for specific purposes: this one is designed as a safe space for women, and the other one is for a specific review site (the one I write for). There, we don't tend to get a lot of people just "wandering in" and posting whatever there; the difference between that and MAL at-large is that it basically gets everyone and anyone who wants to talk (or yell) about anime. It like the forums at ANN, is an easy default if you're looking for a forum. Which isn't all bad. Except that if you get everyone coming in, you get the MRA types and easily-angered fanboys, and their mode of operation is basically to yell as loud as possible and to shut down dissent by discrediting and insulting both it and the dissenters themselves, often in absolutely despicable ways (slurs, doxxing, etc). We don't tend to get those types here because we kick them out. At the other site, the posters are mostly either reviewers for the site or people who read our reviews (it's a small pool), and while we get some questionable types, they tend to leave pretty quickly. We throw them out if they engage in personal attacks, but usually we don't have to...nobody validates their presence there or seconds what they say, and they leave when they realize that they can wreak havoc elsewhere. That's not a good solution for a large forum, though, where it the loudest voices dominate and those types have strength in numbers. Anyway, on a happier note, welcome to the group! |
lukanicolettaFeb 25, 2015 12:57 AM
| Yeah, not very friendly except in specific female-friendly groups like this. It's the internet as a whole really, unless you find sites that cater to us, it's inevitable to run into bullies, stalkers, sexual-harassers, and sexists. I've found the forums at Aarinfantasy to be very friendly to both LGBT and Feminist people. Maiotaku is a small general-anime community that seems pretty LGBT-friendly too, but I haven't tried bringing up Yaoi/BL of all things there, and feminism isn't talked about too much except in the serious-talk forum. Then pretty much any place will have the occasional troll who probably only signed up to be a dick. It's not just anime fans, but the internet in general has a lot of misogynists and anti-feminists who lump us all as being misandrists that want all the power to ourselves and to enslave men. People can be insecure/paranoid as hell, I tell you. @_@ But, I do think the anime/gaming fanboy community is more sexist than most others... I think it has to do with them believing that "women are taking over our male-oriented hobbies!". I've noticed that lately there's more guys identifying as "MRA" on the internet lately too, which is probably the irrational fearful males' response to feminism/LGBT/gender-equality. They fear that the underprivileged are taking over, when all we want is to stop being treated like crap. |
PikangieApr 21, 2015 5:36 AM
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Pikangie said: Y I've found the forums at Aarinfantasy to be very friendly to both LGBT and Feminist people. Maiotaku is a small general-anime community that seems pretty LGBT-friendly too, but I haven't tried bringing up Yaoi/BL of all things there, and feminism isn't talked about too much except in the serious-talk forum. Then pretty much any place will have the occasional troll who probably only signed up to be a dick. The second one is a dating site? An anime dating site? That's a thing? |
| There are fewer repercussions for those people online, Pikangie. People can harass women and run. |
| As far as I can tell, the MRA-types tend to form around hobbies, interests, or traits not usually seen as "manly" in society's terms, such as Anime, MLP, or other "geeky" obsessions. This makes them feel separated from or discriminated against by those who think men should be "manly". However, instead of joining in with the multigendered majority of fandoms, they tend to organize into groups that get generally more homogeneous, masculine, sexist, and generally extremist the larger and more packed they get. With this, they start getting into conflicts with feminist circles, just compounding the issue further. They already feel insecure because they don't necessarily fall into the "masculine ideal", congregate together, and find themselves enraptured by the absolute worst of their ilk whenever they face a conflict of interests. It's like a cult or extremist cell, praying on those who aren't quite different enough to have their own subculture, and radicalizing them. I'm lucky enough to have not run into them directly (yet), except in youtube comments... |
103rdWhatever said: I'm lucky enough to have not run into them directly (yet), except in youtube comments... Hence why I never, ever scroll down while watching YouTube videos. It's never worth it. |
| I can't recommend youtube comment blockers enough. |
| What I really hate is the MRA communities on websites that, omitting them, I like. The worst is that on those sites (9 gag, just to put the first example it has come to my minda but there are many general others) there is a huge demographic of girls and if they (we?) just organized maybe it would be possible to make the MRAs step back. As most aren't forums, I'm not sure of how :( |
| If it has solution, don't bother; and if it hasn't, why bothering? Do you like manga? http://gunjoteam.com |
| Youtube comments are one of the worst place on the internet, especially on more popular videos since the comment section will gather a lot of traffic. I was delightfully surprised when I watched a trailer for a movie about a transgender woman yesterday and there was not one mean comment!!! That was like a one in a lifetime kind of thing I suppose. |
| Found a thread or two on this site attempting to discuss issues of gender! Holy &^$#, it felt like I died. Twice. It was just circular arguments, the whole way down... |
titandick said: On the forums = 95% bad. On a more personal, com-to-com type way = less so.what are some of the experiences you've had with anti-feminist people on this site? The only forum I visit here has long since been the recommendations sections. Even so, some of the animanga 'requests' truly make me hope against (most) anime fans progenating. Earwen said: A fitting remark to go with Cersei's pursed lips ^_^MAL is toxic, and water is wet. |
| Anime List ↳ click profile for recommendations ✨☆✨ |
| I have disabled comments for a reason. And I didn't have any personal problems on this site (yet). |
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| I was about to say that disabling comments is a bit of an overreaction, then I remembered the guy who posted 50 pages worth of spam overnight on my profile. You could make it friends only, though. |
| ...Fifty pages worth of spam? ...I don't really know how to react to that. Users really should be able to limit consecutive profile comments by the same user or something, presuming he wasn't using alts... |
| Okay, I can't say for sure how much spam it was but it was definitely two digits. maybe closer to 25 or something. He didn't use alts...until I blocked him. It's funny because posting all that shit was most definitely more work than deleting them. Never really figured out what his problem was either, a friend told me he's just a weird character. That's likely all the explanation I'm going to get. Anyway that was years ago. 8 years on MAL with all the weirdos and only one such case. I'll consider that a win. |
| I've been called names back when I used to make the mistake of posting in the YouTube comments, but that's it. I expected to get flame mail after I gave Nisekoi a negative review for the site I write for, but surprisingly, that hasn't happened. |
| hahaha it's not the only reason that made me disable comments but it had a lot of influence on my decision of doing it. and wow 50 pages why would someone even do this???? |
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| Honestly, I've seen way worse comments on MAL than on Youtube. I get overly frustrated with sexist comments and oh man it bothers me to my very core because I know I'm powerless but their stupidity is overwhelming. You just can't argue with people like that. There is one particular user on MAL who is incredibly toxic and is very active in trying to spread his thinking and I have so many things I'd like to say to him but I'm scared of being targeted and my words would hold no meaning in his mind and it is completely infuriating. How do you guys deal with the disgust and anger over negative comments? I know that people like that try to get under our skin and I try not to let it bug me, but feeling utterly powerless with issues such as these just really bothers me. |
| @blondiekk8 - To be honest, I just stopped posting on the MAL forums BECAUSE of that. I tried so hard to explain to people why lolicon and shoutacon were bad, why so many anime were sexist, etc. It just stressed me out so eventually I gave up, went to tumblr, amassed a following of fairy tail fangirls/boys and now I make money instead of arguing with silly fanboys. I still get people who see my list and my little sexist tags on things and throw a tantrum on my profile. In fact I get people sending me threats in messages for STARTING the club. People I have never spoken to in my life. One guy, in another club I was in, HATED me because I said I was a feminist. We had NO interaction before, he just threw a tantrum because I was an officer and a feminist. He was eventually banned for continually causing problems, but still. He would follow me from thread to thread in the regular forums just to try to debunk EVERYTHING I said, even if it was completely irrelevant and off topic. I also had a link to my art blog on my MAL profile, and I hadn't checked it in MONTHS. I went to check it about a month ago and got one of those "Go kill yourself you ugly feminist piece of shit" anons in my inbox. Note this was on my ART BLOG, where I literally only post art. No feminism or anything. Just art. So it was obviously from MAL. People on MAL are offended by the very idea of feminists existing. After being on Tumblr for a while, I can understand their distaste to some degree, but there's a difference between actual feminism and tumblr's idea of feminism. That said, it's still very uneducated and irrational to just flip out at the very mention of feminism. |
AmberlehJun 7, 2016 5:22 AM
| In my experience, in any anime community that i've been a part of, women are seen as no more than objects. Whenever vulgar talk starts i'm just being "too sensitive" and if any comments are made about me, I just need to "learn to take a joke". It's horrible, really makes me feel unsafe and I have to say it's made me wonder if I should be interested in anime at all. It's upsetting when all you want to do is chat to people with the same interests. |
tsfwwaWq said: It's upsetting when all you want to do is chat to people with the same interests. Agreed. All we can do is try to cultivate decent places like these. If we do a good job with that, as new people become interested they'll at least have somewhere to stay away from reactionary garbage. |
| On a thread in forum games, you say one thing you love and one thing you hate about the poster above you. Poster above me mentioned that he dislikes feminism on his profile, so I said: blondiekk8 said: Love your forum theme bc meow Hate that you dislike feminism (chances are you don't understand what feminism actually is) Won't quote the post for privacy, but he replied "lmaoooo Nope. I know exactly what feminism is. I support egalitarianism. The advocacy of all human rights. Pushing the agenda of one minority's petty needs wants is self-serving, disgraceful and deserves more hate than I can possibly ever provide. Feminism is a disgusting platform, if you support it, I think you're ignorant. c:" Sigh. |
blondiekk8 said: I support egalitarianism. I've never seen someone say that who isn't otherwise a smug asshole They're always the worst, sorry you had to deal with that |
Blondie said: Won't quote the post for privacy, but he replied "lmaoooo Nope. I know exactly what feminism is. I support egalitarianism. The advocacy of all human rights. Pushing the agenda of one minority's petty needs wants is self-serving, disgraceful and deserves more hate than I can possibly ever provide. Feminism is a disgusting platform, if you support it, I think you're ignorant. c:" Sigh. Just reading that made me angry lol. People who are so uneducated about feminism but claim to know everything about it make me so upset. |
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| I wish the staff would enforce rules to make it more pleasant for women on the website. Harassing women shouldn't be tolerated. The problem is that the staff doesn't seem to bother when it comes properly moderating their users by enforcing rules. What a shame. |
Devotion said: I wish the staff would enforce rules to make it more pleasant for women on the website. Harassing women shouldn't be tolerated. The problem is that the staff doesn't seem to bother when it comes properly moderating their users by enforcing rules. What a shame. UGHH there is so much truth in this. It's not just that, but they allow some really disgusting clubs to exist AND allow really gross avatars and banners. Which, in case anyone was wondering- Is exactly why I use some of my body pillow art as a signature. If they're gonna be jerks then I want them to SQUIRM with discomfort every time I post something and they have to stare at Gray's naked body. ♥ |
Amberleh said: Devotion said: I wish the staff would enforce rules to make it more pleasant for women on the website. Harassing women shouldn't be tolerated. The problem is that the staff doesn't seem to bother when it comes properly moderating their users by enforcing rules. What a shame. UGHH there is so much truth in this. It's not just that, but they allow some really disgusting clubs to exist AND allow really gross avatars and banners. Which, in case anyone was wondering- Is exactly why I use some of my body pillow art as a signature. If they're gonna be jerks then I want them to SQUIRM with discomfort every time I post something and they have to stare at Gray's naked body. ♥ Have you guys read some of the stuff staff has posted? Staff doesn't want to crack down on stuff like that because some of them support that kind of stuff as well...I highly doubt they'd let any of us become staff, either. |
Blondie said: Amberleh said: UGHH there is so much truth in this. It's not just that, but they allow some really disgusting clubs to exist AND allow really gross avatars and banners. Which, in case anyone was wondering- Is exactly why I use some of my body pillow art as a signature. If they're gonna be jerks then I want them to SQUIRM with discomfort every time I post something and they have to stare at Gray's naked body. ♥ Have you guys read some of the stuff staff has posted? Staff doesn't want to crack down on stuff like that because some of them support that kind of stuff as well...I highly doubt they'd let any of us become staff, either. Literally, the way you become staff is by being active in their chat room and getting in good with the mods. That's it, or at least how it was a couple years ago. A couple people I knew became mods and one of them was literally as dumb as a doornail, like he could not type properly and when I tried to skype call him to see how he spoke, he spoke the SAME WAY HE TYPED. I honestly cannot express how unintelligent this guy was. He was nice but had NO business being in any kid of position of power EVER. Yet somehow he became a mod. The mod choosing is a joke. Don't let it get to you. |
| Didn't really get much trouble until I made a thread called Execution of feminism in anime. I still follow the thread because there are some great answers in there but GOD did it become toxic! Thing is most of them don't know the first thing about feminism either. |
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| MAL is indeed filled with toxic people who hate feminism but really have no clue what feminism is. It seems popular to deny that there are even traces of feminism in anime. They seem to want to tell themselves that anime is their safe-space were feminism is not allowed. One of the stupidest people I've argued with is one who kept bashing the Ghibli movie 'Only Yesterday' even though it was obvious he hadn't seen it, and he kept talking about menstruation as if it was a serious crime. His name might have been *cough* thewiru *cough* and I've put him on my ignore-list along with other trolls and morons over this past year. |
zodd0 said: MAL is indeed filled with toxic people who hate feminism but really have no clue what feminism is. It seems popular to deny that there are even traces of feminism in anime. They seem to want to tell themselves that anime is their safe-space were feminism is not allowed. One of the stupidest people I've argued with is one who kept bashing the Ghibli movie 'Only Yesterday' even though it was obvious he hadn't seen it, and he kept talking about menstruation as if it was a serious crime. His name might have been *cough* thewiru *cough* and I've put him on my ignore-list along with other trolls and morons over this past year. Ah yes, that guy is indeed not the brightest. Most trouble I've had is with a guy called Nyu. |
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holysauron said: Ah yes, that guy is indeed not the brightest. Most trouble I've had is with a guy called Nyu. Nyu has been on my ignore-list almost since the first day I joined MAL. Not worth paying any attention to whatsoever. |
| MAL has one of the most toxic userbase I've seen in a while, not including the likes of 4chan or Reddit of course. Nyu is especially awful, along with yomiyuki, polarc, Thrashinuva etc Multiple times I've wanted to quit the forums altogether because of people like these, they create a super toxic environment. |
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| I have encountered a LOT of woman-haters and anti-feminists on this site. Most of them I can just laugh off. The use of a certain three letters are usually my cue to stop taking a person seriously: SJW. The only time someone REALLY got me ticked was when they insulted me on the forum for belonging to This Very Club. Like, I join this club specifically to have a space where I can talk about feminist stuff without facing discrimination, and suddenly,membership to the club becomes used as another means of attacking me? Like, what the hell? The temptation to simply stop using the general forums is a strong one, and our lovely club creator, @Amberleh has done just that, but personally, I'm willing to bear the slings and arrow of outrageous fanboys for the sake of finding new potential members. For every 20 anti-feminists spewing bile on any given feminist thread, there's usually one person worth talking to about gender stuff. Such as... @Hias Glad to see you here! Yeah, I've quarreled with Nyu extensively on the forums myself, to the point that he inspired me to post one of the most feminist things I've ever posted on MAL. Botan-chan has been a complete jerk as well, and actually stalked me through a forum thread, mocking everything I said, until I called him out for stalking me and then suggested he had a crush on me. Which shut him up pretty darn fast, lol. |
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