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SeraphimSarov said: That was a great episode. I think it's great that they are turning him more "human," in a way, rather than just a methodical killing-machine. I don't think Red is a "methodical killing-machine" no more than your average soldier. It's obvious that he has feelings and while he couldn't understand their word for it, he knew what gratitude was. He also knows what loss and pain feels like show by the beginning of the first episode. He has emotions, feelings, dreams, and he can react socially. He might not be a civilian or think like a civilian, but he is definitely human and not a "machine". |
| I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. On the other side, I loved this episode and I really like this show in general. I really do. It's great. Language barrier is great thing, characters are interesting and story overall seems to be very good. It's just the logic that I don't like. I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. |
Raigerzero said: Takana_no_Hana said: FenixDragon43 said: Omg when he said thank-you. MY HEARRRT. Also to everyone, it is LEDO. Not RED. Japanese doesn't distinguish the "R" and "L" sound so both translation are ok, either Ledo or Redo. <3 I think FenixDragon was saying that "Red" isn't a correct translation of Redo (レド)'s name, because the when the English color name "Red" is used in Japanese, it is written as "Reddo" (レッド) with a germinated (doubled) "d". His name in Japanese is Redo, not Reddo, so "Red" is incorrect. Ledo or Redo are correct, with the former preferred since it doesn't look like the English word. Honestly, people are going to call him both names from now on, you can't really stop it. I still call him Red because that's my preference. |
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Amarrez said:  A-alligator Sweet, my and his Jap's on par now. |
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nina4life said: I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. On the other side, I loved this episode and I really like this show in general. I really do. It's great. Language barrier is great thing, characters are interesting and story overall seems to be very good. It's just the logic that I don't like. I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. QFT. |
| "LEDO NO BAKA" before the OP was very misleading, IMO it didn't make any sense to add that in. AlexGK said: In the end they even thanked him?!?! Lets see - kill shity pirates, save crewmembers and boats - makes them mad. That leads to attack where they lose more crewmembers and boats than there were with Bellows, now they are thankfull. Sorry, but if I was a relative to the murdered crew I might be upset of Ledo who indirectly caused this, but Id want the leaders heads who decided to sacrifice my relatives lives trying to turn the other cheek to the pirates and play Jesus. It really pissed me off seeing how the captain and his aide acted like sheep. They need to go to the church and pray instead of lead. // rage I also don't see how blowing up the Pirate fleets ship with canon fire is any different from Ledo's SEMETSU-ing. Both will result in death just Ledo's method is more effective. When Bellow's mentioned "Needlessly killing" that irked me since she was the one being held hostage and her friend was about to get raped, I think killing the pirates in that situation is justified (unless Bellows wanted to get raped?). Not mention Gartantia's crew opened fire at the pirates as-well. Wacky politics aside, The skirmish was cool especially Ledo/chamber bullying the Pirate queen made me laugh. |
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nina4life said: I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. On the other side, I loved this episode and I really like this show in general. I really do. It's great. Language barrier is great thing, characters are interesting and story overall seems to be very good. It's just the logic that I don't like. I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. This. Totally agree with you. I wish Red could bring up those points a little better. But as of this point, he's like "I'm not staying here forever, so why should I care?". He's only really doing what's necessary so he can have a place to stay until he can get back to the Alliance. He's surviving, and if he has to tone done the power for these primitives, so be it. |
| Best part of the episode was when he said Arigato! Loving the show so far. 5/5 |
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| BTW Bellows line 'dont take more than you need' straight out of Lion King just made me facepalm even more. |
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nina4life said: I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. On the other side, I loved this episode and I really like this show in general. I really do. It's great. Language barrier is great thing, characters are interesting and story overall seems to be very good. It's just the logic that I don't like. I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here.  |
antonnApr 21, 2013 1:36 PM
nina4life said: I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. Hey, if you've never seen the original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 before, you should see it. It's my favorite show of the series because with the exception of the some of the very first episodes, it a show where they have a war and don't have ten-thousand characters crying about how killing is bad and we should have peace and blah, blah, blah. After a few episodes, the MC doesn't cry about killing others but actually it goes more into his arrogance that he gains as the MC. The show is more about how he MC matures, and not about him crying for 20 episodes about how he killed someone. (One of the reasons Amuro Ray is my favorite Gundam MC) Sure they do cry over the death of important characters, but they go right back out there and take out the enemy. They understand that it's a killed or be killed situation and that you can't have your cake and eat it too. It was subsequent series that began having the heavy pacifist message layered throughout it. Check it out if you can! |
Irenesharda said: nina4life said: I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. On the other side, I loved this episode and I really like this show in general. I really do. It's great. Language barrier is great thing, characters are interesting and story overall seems to be very good. It's just the logic that I don't like. I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. This. Totally agree with you. I wish Red could bring up those points a little better. But as of this point, he's like "I'm not staying here forever, so why should I care?". He's only really doing what's necessary so he can have a place to stay until he can get back to the Alliance. He's surviving, and if he has to tone done the power for these primitives, so be it. I understand the whole kill or die situation is a bit illogical, but again think about how shocked they were when they saw a robot annihilating a bunch of pirates in a matter of seconds. Imagine it to be like when the USA nuked hiroshima in world war 2. Sure they had to do it to stop Japans imperialist expansion, but it was shocking and quite a horrific moment for people at that time. So you can see it that way, and somewhat understand why those people reacted the way they did towards ledo. |
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Orulyon said: Urobutcher please just this time spare the good characters. This is my major fear as well. As I watch this series, I always have an image Urobuchi's smirking face lurking in the back of my mind. ;_; |
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AlexGK said: BTW Bellows line 'dont take more than you need' straight out of Lion King just made me facepalm even more. That mantra was coined long before "Lion King". It's pretty much a conservationist ideology. Native Americans were also a big believer in that ideology as well. lyric around 1:12 By this is from 1974. |
Irenesharda said: nina4life said: I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. Hey, if you've never seen the original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 before, you should see it. It's my favorite show of the series because with the exception of the some of the very first episodes, it a show where they have a war and don't have ten-thousand characters crying about how killing is bad and we should have peace and blah, blah, blah. After a few episodes, the MC doesn't cry about killing others but actually it goes more into his arrogance that he gains as the MC. The show is more about how he MC matures, and not about him crying for 20 episodes about how he killed someone. (One of the reasons Amuro Ray is my favorite Gundam MC) Sure they do cry over the death of important characters, but they go right back out there and take out the enemy. They understand that it's a killed or be killed situation and that you can't have your cake and eat it too. It was subsequent series that began having the heavy pacifist message layered throughout it. Check it out if you can! I'm actually on my way to watch all of gundam series'. I've done original gundam, zeta, currently watching ZZ, doing it in order they came out so I'll get to 0079 eventually. My favorite gundam so far was 08ms team. Thanks for recommendation though ;) |
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Takuan_Soho said: AlexGK said: In the end they even thanked him?!?! Lets see - kill shity pirates, save crewmembers and boats - makes them mad. That leads to attack where they lose more crewmembers than there were with Bellows, now they are thankfull. Sorry, but if I was a relative to the murdered crew I might be upset of Ledo who indirectly caused this, but Id want the leaders heads who decided to sacrifice my relatives lives trying to turn the other cheek to the pirates and play Jesus. It really pissed me off seeing how the captain and his aide acted like sheep. They need to go to the church and pray instead of lead. // rage Compared to the Pirates, Gargantia is nothing. They knew that. So when Ledo "saved" them, they realized that these larger fleets were going to come and extract revenge. In that they do not understand Ledo's motives, and they also do not understand just how overpowering he is, far from thinking he "saved" them, they have every right to believe that he had just signed their death notice. This is the way the world is when you don't have a relatively uncorrupted police force (which no matter how bad we think the police in the US are, they are relatively uncorrupted). The pirates are strong, Gargantia is weak, they survive by not pissing the pirates off. In such a situation you learn to eat your rage and not provoke the tiger. Unless you have some alliance with a stronger force, usually through some sort of "blood" relationship, that IS how you would react. Otherwise you would all be dead. The Captain, far from being weak, was actually acting extremely strong. He was willing to sacrifice his life for the lives of the crew. I mentioned this a page or two back, but what I really liked about this episode is that the Crew acted exactly as they should when confronted by technology beyond their keen. They know Ledo is strong, but they also know that the Pirates are strong, and there is a whole lot more of them then there is Ledo. Their battle plan was that they hoped that they could defeat the pirate fleet with their own strength, so that the other Pirate fleets would think it was the Pirate Captain's fault. Using Ledo would only entice the larger pirate fleets to organize and come after them. Chamber's relative ease in defeating the Pirates gave for the crew for the first time evidence that maybe Chamber is powerful enough to defeat all the pirates. Oh, come on, that initial encounter was more than enough to prove noone is a match for Chamber. Even he himself told them. If they still think the pirates are stronger then they have no brains. Its not that what led them in their actions, its the fact they believed the pirates could be reasoned with and, maybe, some sort of stupid pride that they could handle it themselves and scare the pirates off. Sacrificing the life of the captain would accomplish nothing but leave them leaderless and easier to conquer. Sorry, its really braindead logic, dont try to defend it. Saw what happened when the pirates leader was gone? Same would happen with Gargantia. Whats more, if you always bow to the pirates and give them what they want, let them kill your comrades, pretty soon they will enslave whats left of your fleet. Not to mention your own comrades might decide to kick your ass for valuing your enemies life same as your own. Dont get me wrong, Ledo did a lot of pointless killing, but how would it make things better to have Bellows and her crew raped/killed and her boat taken over? Turn a blind eye? For how long? How long will you tolerate them? Feeding scum wont get you far. Eventually there will be more and more scum that wants all for free and less and less people they can feed on. Its no something that boosts progress you know. |
AlexGKApr 21, 2013 2:21 PM
| I wonder how long it'll take Ledo to learn the language, the translating thing is getting old Good episode, though I agree the pirate empress was a little over the top |
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Cirris said: AlexGK said: BTW Bellows line 'dont take more than you need' straight out of Lion King just made me facepalm even more. That mantra was coined long before "Lion King". It's pretty much a conservationist ideology. Native Americans were also a big believer in that ideology as well. lyric around 1:12 By this is from 1974. Im not saying the ideology is wrong, just that its wishfull thinking. The only way that could ever happen is control by someone who can enforce it. The average human will always desire more every day. And whats more important, it has little to do with the issue at hand. Ledo just doesnt make a difference between human and animal life. Thats the only matter hes wrong in this episode. |
| Good Ep., have high hopes for this show. Noticed how they drew attention to the pirate queen saying no ship in the world could beat her (wink @ the in the world part). |
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ChrnoTodd said: Amarrez said: A-alligator A--A---ALLI----ALLIGATOR! LOOOL Hey now, at least he learned a word. Better than nothing, right? He'll get it down eventually. Cut him some slack, he's in a new world. =P Anyways, yeah. Weird how they dealt with the pirates with having Redo sit back first and have needless casualties on Gargantia. I mean seriously, he could've just done it Terminator mini-gun style from the beginning and drive the pirates away with little to no casualties on both sides. But hey, I'm not the writer so... Decent episode, was more interested in the character interactions, especially with Bellows and Redo. |
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| Quite disappointing episode. It would be understandable if they told Ledo he went overboard and that he should have killed just a few pirates and scared them off to avoid retaliation and keep current balance. But not bitching like he had done something worse than pirates. And that talk about how killing is bad because they are all humans? Dear Lord, was it takes from some hippie anti-war pamphlet? Japanese pacifism in anime can be really sickening at times. I really hope next episode will be more like the first two. |
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Ajunky said: She WAS raped you baka, it was just off-screen.VioLink said: "LEDO NO BAKA" before the OP was very misleading, IMO it didn't make any sense to add that in. AlexGK said: In the end they even thanked him?!?! Lets see - kill shity pirates, save crewmembers and boats - makes them mad. That leads to attack where they lose more crewmembers and boats than there were with Bellows, now they are thankfull. Sorry, but if I was a relative to the murdered crew I might be upset of Ledo who indirectly caused this, but Id want the leaders heads who decided to sacrifice my relatives lives trying to turn the other cheek to the pirates and play Jesus. It really pissed me off seeing how the captain and his aide acted like sheep. They need to go to the church and pray instead of lead. // rage I also don't see how blowing up the Pirate fleets ship with canon fire is any different from Ledo's SEMETSU-ing. Both will result in death just Ledo's method is more effective. When Bellow's mentioned "Needlessly killing" that irked me since she was the one being held hostage and her friend was about to get raped, I think killing the pirates in that situation is justified (unless Bellows wanted to get raped?). Not mention Gartantia's crew opened fire at the pirates as-well. Wacky politics aside, The skirmish was cool especially Ledo/chamber bullying the Pirate queen made me laugh. LOL, maybe she did want that: "Couldn't you at least wait till they were done, Ledo-san? It's been a while since I've gotten some decent action, the guys in Gargantia are all pansies" Anyway, it is kinda weird that they prefer having casualties... what for? to have a "fair" fight? |
| I found the logic of the Gargantia leadership pretty odd too. How else to deal with pirates but an overwhelming show of force that keeps them away for good? IN any case, it was another beautiful episode. The designs and colours are as gorgeous as ever. Stop feeding dead animals to Ledo! |
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nina4life said: Irenesharda said: nina4life said: I haven't seen too many anime shows, only about 150 so far, but out of all those, only 1, Hellsing ultimate, had "search and destroy" approach to dealing with enemies. Every other show had "wars can be ended with 0 casualties approach". Guess what, they can't. Never mind, I won't drop this show, too many great things here. Hey, if you've never seen the original Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 before, you should see it. It's my favorite show of the series because with the exception of the some of the very first episodes, it a show where they have a war and don't have ten-thousand characters crying about how killing is bad and we should have peace and blah, blah, blah. After a few episodes, the MC doesn't cry about killing others but actually it goes more into his arrogance that he gains as the MC. The show is more about how he MC matures, and not about him crying for 20 episodes about how he killed someone. (One of the reasons Amuro Ray is my favorite Gundam MC) Sure they do cry over the death of important characters, but they go right back out there and take out the enemy. They understand that it's a killed or be killed situation and that you can't have your cake and eat it too. It was subsequent series that began having the heavy pacifist message layered throughout it. Check it out if you can! I'm actually on my way to watch all of gundam series'. I've done original gundam, zeta, currently watching ZZ, doing it in order they came out so I'll get to 0079 eventually. My favorite gundam so far was 08ms team. Thanks for recommendation though ;) Well 0079 IS the original Gundam. They name them after the year they came out. (0079, 0083, etc.) I didn't care for O8 MS team. The MC was annoying to me, and nothing really happened that interested me. My favorite Gundam series is the original 0079, and my least favorite is a sharp tie between Gundam Zeta and Gundam Wing. |
nina4life said: I was afraid this would happen. "Hey guys, pirates are attacking" "I can annihilate them for you no problems, all I ask in return is for a place to stay for a little while" "No, no, no, you just distract them" "Ehm, ok" An hour later dozens of innocents die and many more are injured as well as having half of the fleet damaged. Good job idiots, really good job. You're about to get killed and all you think about it: "Well, we don't want unnecessary killing". I hate when anime follows that logic. I agree that human life is precious and every precaution should be done to preserve it, but when it's kill-or-die situation I see no logic in, well, not killing. You wanna know the show which really did a great job on this topic? Trigun! I don't wanna spoil anything for those who haven't seen it (DO IT NOW! :P), but there he knew he was is no real danger, only acted like a fool for the whole time. For those who've seen it, remember one of the last episodes? Now that's how you execute kill-or-lose situation. Not like this. People in this episode died for no reason. No reason AT ALL. Hell, they themselves said it's the whole pirate fleet in the attack, led by pirate flagship, that lobster thingy. Guess what, sink whole pirate fleet in 1 shot (I really doubt it's a problem for Red to do that, and I really, really, really doubt he wouldn't do it if asked, after all, they're enemies, and he's been fighting his whole life with only 1 thing on his mind: eradication of enemy) and no more problems. Lead the rest of your lives in peace and quiet. Even if there're some pirates left, after they hear what happened, I sincerely doubt they'll even think of coming anywhere near you. Hell, they'll run away as soon as they see any of your ships. But no, lets let innocents die because killing is wrong. You summarized everything i was thinking. |
VioLink said: Judging by the clothes she wears, she is practically begging to get groped/sexually harassed. Judging by her looks, rule 34 is about to get out soon, if it's not out already :P On the other note, if they after all decided to go with the retarded idea of fighting pirates on their own with Red as only the decoy, couldn't they at least put civilians a bit further away on a faster ships? Putting them only about 100-200m away from fighting doesn't seem to bright. I'm pretty sure they have some non-combat ships which are decently fast, after all, scout ships with 0 armament are faster than heavily armed dreadnoughts. Leaving civilians on your command ship? Them humans are really dumb :D EDIT: Woops, well, to the Gundam guy above, I didn't really care about alternative name of the series :P I always called original one MSG. And honestly, since 08ms was great to me due to them being "normal" soldiers in a war, not "superheroes". But as far as characters and "gundam heroes" go, from all I've seen (original, zeta, seed, 08, 00 and 00 s2) original one is by far my most favorite. Especially due to Char, that guy was everything I like in a character, smart, decisive, strong and gentle to those he loved. But Gundam is another show altogether, so let's not spam this thread with that ;) |
nina4lifeApr 21, 2013 2:33 PM
| I LOVE THE OP PROTAGONIST. XD I would like a better plot soon though. |
antonn said: Can't we all just agree that shooting people with canons is far more humane than vaporizing them with lasers? Yeah, because cannons can't kill people? Really guys, at least if you vaporize a person they feel no pain and its done in an instant. Cannons? Oh, well they have the power to maim and injure horribly, and well as kill painfully. So Gargantia, which way is more "humane" again? |
AnimageNeby said: antonn said: Can't we all just agree that shooting people with canons is far more humane than vaporizing them with lasers? Lol ;-) Indeed, one would have to presume that, following the logic of the Gargantian crew. ;-) I *could* go as far to come up with a reason why they attacked the pirate-fleet; maybe they wanted to show that they wouldn't let them manhandle them, with or without Ledo. Maybe they just wanted to show off and it's a matter of pride (in medieval times this was not that abnormal; you got social status from it). But it doesn't sound too convincing: 1)They don't seem to be such a hierarchical society where battle gives you glory (on the contrary, in fact) 2)It doesn't explain why they give a lecture to Ledo and order him not to kill any pirates because it's all 'human lives', and yet they fire at ships, potentially killing dozens of pirates themselves. That they ask to restrain and not annihilate all pirates, ok. But since they were prepared to take *some* lives of pirates, I don't see why the same standards wouldn't apply for Ledo. In fact, come to think of it: Why not let Ledo attack them immediately the moment they were spotted, instead of waiting until night when they were close together? He could have just flown there, destroyed all the rudders and propellers and that would be that: the entire pirate fleet would be left to float, unable to make a 'rendezvous' with the Gargantia fleet. No battle, no deaths. Exactly what I was thinking, especially in that Chamber's targeting system could easily him the ship engines or something and just put the ships out of commission. I honestly HOPE the Hideauze come to Earth so that these primitive humans can see what a real battle is like. It's fascinating that Chamber and Red are like one in a million with the Alliance and that they have more powerful ships and mechs. All that firepower and yet they still can't beat the evil space snails! |
AnimageNeby said: Irenesharda said: antonn said: Can't we all just agree that shooting people with canons is far more humane than vaporizing them with lasers? Yeah, because cannons can't kill people? Really guys, at least if you vaporize a person they feel no pain and its done in an instant. Cannons? Oh, well they have the power to maim and injure horribly, and well as kill painfully. So Gargantia, which way is more "humane" again? He was being ironic, I think. Oh, I wasn't aiming it towards him, but toward the idiocy of the Gargantia fleet. I'm agreeing with him. -_~ |
Irenesharda said: antonn said: Can't we all just agree that shooting people with canons is far more humane than vaporizing them with lasers? Yeah, because cannons can't kill people? Really guys, at least if you vaporize a person they feel no pain and its done in an instant. Cannons? Oh, well they have the power to maim and injure horribly, and well as kill painfully. So Gargantia, which way is more "humane" again? Yes I am lost with them complaining about "killing people", they are shooting each other with cannons and machine guns. This is just plain dumb, the best reason for Ledo to hold back would be to not give the pirates a reason to seek revenge, but wouldn't it be better to take the opportunity to destroy all the pirate ships in the sector with his doom laser. The people who wrote this show have never been shot with a rifle, because I can attest from my bad knee that being shot SUCKS and can kill you. |
| Arigatou |
| A lot of mecha releases this season and this one so far is, no doubt, my favorite. Another enjoyable episode. I desired another, arms demonstration, from Chamber; but I assume Gargantia wanted to handle it themselves. |
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