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Mar 23, 2013 7:05 AM
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Oh no Maou is now bad, I hope the Yuusha tames her.
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and finally the Fire Dragon Princess change her hair style

Female Mage deserves more screen time
Mar 23, 2013 8:50 AM

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Shit is getting serious now. Demon King had a personality flop.
Mar 23, 2013 9:48 AM
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nseika said:
... so I heard it wrong then. I thought the Crimson Scholar's lecture in the flashback is about the need of local currency to each nation. That way, there will be less risk of something like the Eurozone crisis where inflation in one kingdom drags everybody down with it thanks to the unified currency.


What you heard is correct. I think I created some misunderstanding in my part because I only mention the part when she talked about unified currency and not the later part when she mentioned they should have other currency. The only thing I want to point out is that the merchant's plan is to have another currency thus improve the competitiveness with the surrounding regions (and also avoid inflation like you mentioned)
Mar 23, 2013 10:54 AM
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Having watched the eps 11, I'm happy because now I'm sure the show will be continued to season2.
Mar 23, 2013 10:59 AM

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MorningGlory said:
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Fat land lord or not, bringing all food and supply from one place to another require lots of man power.Usually they will bring lots of money to buy from nearby village/town, or they just simply pillage it xD


Except you dont hold a feast before the day of battle, but after! If anything history has examples of many military loses caused because troops got too drunk to fight (a tactic exploited by opponents whenever possible). One example is Hannibal's Battle of Tarentum. Marcus Livius was the governor of Tarentum, and he was known for being lazy and living a luxurious lifestyle. The night when Hannibal attacked, the governor, his friends, and his troops were feasting with food and wine. Hannibal and his troops got inside the city, and by the time the guards notice them it was too late, many of the Roman soldiers were either asleep or too drunk to fight and so they were killed where they were laying.
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Mar 23, 2013 11:25 AM
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I thought alcohol is essential during winter.It keep the body warm .
Anyway, wine and good food are only available for the high ranking officer. I don't think its enough for those footman ....
It will be nice if they put some poison into those wine and food xD ..
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The battle against the cavalry really pissed me off; there is no way that the infantry should have won that battle. I can see that the writers where heavily influenced by the Battle of Agincourt, but I don’t see crossbows pulling off the same feat in worse terrain. A crossbow would take around a minute to reload, so the enemy cavalry could easily make it to the trenches and only get hit with a volley of two.

The trenches themselves were impressive, but I was amazed that they were able to make such an extensive line with so few people in what I thought was very little time because it was an unannounced campaign. The density of soldiers in the trenches were remarkably low, so any concentrated attack at any point in the trench would easily pierce it and wreck havoc for the good guys because a crossbow would be useless in a trench.

However, if I was in charge of the cavalry, I would have just avoided the trench all together. It looked like the country was open enough that they could have ridden around the trench (if they got out of the canyon of a road).

What they should have done is imitated the Battle of Tours where Charles Martel used square formations of spearman to hold off the Islamic army that relied only on cavalry. The crossbowmen could be stationed on the inside and the spearmen would prevent the cavalry from getting to the crossbowmen.
Mar 23, 2013 3:21 PM
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Phaetons_Folly said:
The battle against the cavalry really pissed me off
Very few films, animated or live action, get it. Actually, that's not quite true, they're actually fairly good at showing stupid or incompetent leaders making stupid mistakes I suppose.
Mar 23, 2013 4:20 PM

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I kinda expected the 'upgrade' to fail and the Demon King to get corrupted like that. Poor head maid lost her arm by her own master. I'm sure the Hero will be able to get through to her though, like tends to happen when someone's 'possessed'.

Lots of great action in this episode too. Great to see the Mage (whom really has some split-personality issues xD) in action for once and the war after that was also very cool to see.

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Phaetons_Folly said:
The battle against the cavalry really pissed me off; there is no way that the infantry should have won that battle. I can see that the writers where heavily influenced by the Battle of Agincourt, but I don’t see crossbows pulling off the same feat in worse terrain. A crossbow would take around a minute to reload, so the enemy cavalry could easily make it to the trenches and only get hit with a volley of two.

The trenches themselves were impressive, but I was amazed that they were able to make such an extensive line with so few people in what I thought was very little time because it was an unannounced campaign. The density of soldiers in the trenches were remarkably low, so any concentrated attack at any point in the trench would easily pierce it and wreck havoc for the good guys because a crossbow would be useless in a trench.

However, if I was in charge of the cavalry, I would have just avoided the trench all together. It looked like the country was open enough that they could have ridden around the trench (if they got out of the canyon of a road).

What they should have done is imitated the Battle of Tours where Charles Martel used square formations of spearman to hold off the Islamic army that relied only on cavalry. The crossbowmen could be stationed on the inside and the spearmen would prevent the cavalry from getting to the crossbowmen.


What u just said is the lack of information the anime provides compare to the manga version. In the manga:

1. Crossbow sure take long time to reload, but they divide the troops in 2 lines. When one is aiming and shooting, the one behind will prepare the unloaded crossbow for the next round, and then gives it to the one in front.
2. They were announced that the white nation is going to attack and thus already have preparation, but indeed the troops are thin.
3. They focus shooting on the right side, so the cavalry all move to the side that is weaker, the left one. They position the line in a diagonal way, which lean toward the right side. This makes the time reaching the line take much longer and due to the slope, the cavalry will get thinner and thinner until they reach the line of defense (which is the left side, since the right side is cover with arrow).
Mar 23, 2013 5:30 PM

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Kinda messy episode, just too much content.
Mar 23, 2013 5:47 PM

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I can finally understand some things, haha. Pretty good episode.

Mar 23, 2013 9:13 PM

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MorningGlory said:
I thought alcohol is essential during winter.It keep the body warm .
Anyway, wine and good food are only available for the high ranking officer. I don't think its enough for those footman ....
It will be nice if they put some poison into those wine and food xD ..


20 barrels of liquor is a lot. and probably they would get more.
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Mar 24, 2013 1:08 AM
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I liked the episode. As an econ guy the alliance people are super exciting. The true currency lesson was well done if a touch confusing at first. I understood the alternative currency bit but the way they handled seigniorage was a little awkward in my opinion.

argh. I love the show's econ plotline and semi-historical ideas but it really has a problem with a driving purpose. Some were complaining about the plot being executed too quickly but I would complain it took far too long to set up the antagonists. Argh Or maybe I just don't didn't care enough about the war mongers. It was too abstract for too long and while I appreciate the pacing of the macro aspect they needed to step up the character development in the downtime.

It's a weirdly listless anime. The evil queen has a lot of promise (though it's getting insta resolved) but with one episode to go I feel like they made huge mistakes in the planning of the anime.
Mar 24, 2013 2:36 AM

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Phaetons_Folly said:
However, if I was in charge of the cavalry, I would have just avoided the trench all together. It looked like the country was open enough that they could have ridden around the trench (if they got out of the canyon of a road).
Cavalry charging into trenches with projectile shooting infantry may be inspired by the Battle of Nagashino, a battle fought in the Sengoku period Japan, I guess.

Phaetons_Folly said:
What they should have done is imitated the Battle of Tours where Charles Martel used square formations of spearman to hold off the Islamic army that relied only on cavalry. The crossbowmen could be stationed on the inside and the spearmen would prevent the cavalry from getting to the crossbowmen.
The same can be said for the Musket and Pike formations popular in the War of the Religion period, which seems to be closer to the period in our history this anime is drawing references from.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 24, 2013 6:30 AM

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Hmm, it's going to end where I thought it would. No idea about the novel, but they breezed through several Kotowaru! chapters in this episode. Almost caught up with the current releases. There was certainly a lot that happened, on all fronts.

Young Merchant's economic motives are revealed, Female Magician banishes an entire army of demons, the true nature of the Demon World is partially shown, White Night Country's surprise raid on Iron Country is repelled via trench warfare tactics, The Southern Kingdoms' army begins to sabotage and sap the combat ability of the Central Army while waiting for winter and the confrontation between Head Maid, Demon Queen and Hero are all condensed into one episode. All that crammed into one 20+ minute episode. Could definitely be better, but it kinda did the job, if rushed.

The OP visuals really contain a few spoilers (that injury; poor Head Maid). Onwards to waiting for the (hopefully temporary) finale.
Mar 24, 2013 6:56 AM

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If only the series would've had more action like this episode it would've been soooooo epic . Really enjoyed this ep .
Mar 24, 2013 8:54 AM
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It was cool seeing Maoyuu being a real demon for once.
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Mar 24, 2013 5:27 PM

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Hmm, I see everything was commented already. Well then just that it was awesome to finally see their power, mage, hero and demon king. Should see more next episode/last episode.
Mar 25, 2013 12:17 AM
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Mage has some serious pent up frustrations and angers beneath that vale of lethargy and quiet. SHe's even rougher on Hero than Knight is.

great to see her students being brilliant. Theres one more student left to show his colors right? or am i misremembering?

ah man i hope Demon King makes it through this and its not a "Die As Yourself" scenario...

Also as a student of business and economics, i have the shake my head at the central government and churches strategy. Seriously, every time thats happened in RL, its been an extremely desperate short term measure that screwed everything up in the medium to long term. Its a sign of petty, scared individuals trying to hold on desperately to wealth and economic power and/or the strength they formerly held, rather than properly dealing with the problems and building up from there.

The merchant is brilliant in how he's dealing with it, and the trade set up with the demons (or atleast the mixed city) greatly benefit the goal of "seeing beyond the hill"
Mar 25, 2013 4:53 AM
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Wonderful episode.
The past weeks may have been a little dry and mostly focused on politics and economy but given that it was all build-up for this episode, I'm perfectly fine with it. Every part of this week's Maoyuu felt spot-on and had me at the edge of my seat. Truly a magnificent show. 5/5
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Mar 25, 2013 10:43 AM

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Looks like we're actually going to get that Demon King/Hero final battle.
Mar 25, 2013 5:48 PM

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Wow, has this show been getting better? Loved the BGM in this episode too (new? :O). So the Merchant and Dragon Princess' plans are really getting ahead ... two currencies huh?
Wow I wanna see more of the Head Maid and Demon King's past! I can't believe she CUT OFF HER ARM ... ouch >_<
Pretty stupid of the army to keep on riding in the trenches IMO ... I mean obviously they KNOW where you're going to go if your paths are defined for you :S
Hero to the rescue with the help of Mage! I guess they'll have to duke it out next episode?! I wonder how this is gonna end ...
Mar 25, 2013 7:51 PM

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In this episode: multiple personality disorders. Lots of them.

Agreed.

Seems there's no chance for the demon king to be resurrected. She seems to have gone berserk. Might as well end her misery with a quick beheading. Meeting a person who has been possessed in my opinion it's always best to just treat them like zombies and just finish them off. :D
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TheTsunami said:
In this episode: multiple personality disorders. Lots of them.

Agreed.

Seems there's no chance for the demon king to be resurrected. She seems to have gone berserk. Might as well end her misery with a quick beheading. Meeting a person who has been possessed in my opinion it's always best to just treat them like zombies and just finish them off. :D


ROTFL. Brilliant strategy. You must make a parody out of this.
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Mar 25, 2013 11:01 PM
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More Union shenanigans and Young Merchant.

FEMALE MAGICIAN! But, she is a helluva lot different than in the manga. Wonder why they left that part out from the visual novel. So that's who the two other female magicians in the OP are, lol. Strange to see her just "swap" between them.

Holy mother of...Hero has some ridiculous spells. What the fuck.

So much for "as few casualties as possible"! Those guys were skewered.

YES! They included the "you damn virgin" line! AHAHAHAAHA.

Holy shit, they caught up to the manga. Guess they'll end with the Maou returned to normal, but the war will still rage on and they'll keep looking for the other side of the hill or some shit.

Damn, wish I could get my hands on the visual novel...
Mar 26, 2013 12:14 AM

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Well, one more episode. Might as well get it over with.
Mar 27, 2013 1:08 AM

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Nice episode but it still feels rushed...
There is also no way that this can have a "real" ending seeing as things are only just starting.
I wonder if this'll sell well enough seeing as how rushed it is.
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Mar 27, 2013 4:41 AM
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I've never took econ class, so this was quite educational. Most of Merchant's wonderful plan made sense. I'm not sure it's possible how Central can replace 10k old coin with 5k new coins, then claim its value is equivalent to 14k old coin. Maybe new coin uses more precious metals?
Also Merchant wants to buy copper, even at 2x price. They don't explain why, but is Alliance trying to raise copper price, so it'll cost Central more to produce the new coin (assuming it includes copper). Once cost exceeds the face value, then Central gov would be losing money. If they're forced to lower the copper content maybe the currency would lose value?

Magi deserves more episodes, quite interesting triad personality, with matching dango color (beads on the staff?). Yellow dango was the first kid voice. Cyan dango with the emotionless spell operator voice. Red dango as tsundere. Interesting how large spells are treated as a large zip file, decompress, then execute.
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ilu Mage <3

Oh yeah and shit's getting real too, 1 EP LEFT.
Mar 27, 2013 8:46 PM
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I'm not sure it's possible how Central can replace 10k old coin with 5k new coins, then claim its value is equivalent to 14k old coin.


Well there are a few ways. Firstly they could just(as you went on to say) be made of different materials, but that is unlikely. Secondly... well to be brutally honest they run the place. the money is worth what they say it is worth, and in a strictly controlled economy they can literally just decide arbitrarily how much the new currency is relative to the old one. Now they aren't doing that for a few reasons, the main one being the nations seem to be capitalist and taking away free buisness from an economy founded on it is a bad way to go if you want a happy and passive population. From here on the explanations are basically what is said in the show and if you didn't get it there, I'm afraid I can't help you much.
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FEMALE MAGICIAN! But, she is a helluva lot different than in the manga. Wonder why they left that part out from the visual novel. So that's who the two other female magicians in the OP are, lol. Strange to see her just "swap" between them.
Damn, wish I could get my hands on the visual novel...
MaoYuu is a Light Novel, not a visual novel...

Anyway, as much as the episode is pretty good, I also think it lets the pacing quicken too much out of a sudden - we are talking about at least 4 areas of serious action: Merchant/Dragon-lady going to the south country, with a proposal of a new currency; sneak attack to Iron Country resulted in a pitched battle of cavalry vs infantry in trenches; Maou going evil and violent and beat the hell out of the chief maid and cut off her arm; Yuusha going to hold back the marching army from Makai and the Witch made her appearance and cast a grand magic to transport away the entire army, allowing Yuusha to come to the aid of Maou.... Impressive, but somehow make you wonder whether it is necessary to go at such slow pace for some of the earlier episodes.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Mar 29, 2013 8:39 AM
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gophercg said:
I've never took econ class, so this was quite educational. Most of Merchant's wonderful plan made sense. I'm not sure it's possible how Central can replace 10k old coin with 5k new coins, then claim its value is equivalent to 14k old coin. Maybe new coin uses more precious metals?


Just for your information. Take a look at two of my posts.
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=575555#msg20899583
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=570905&show=60#msg20824455
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htsuji said:
gophercg said:
I've never took econ class, so this was quite educational. Most of Merchant's wonderful plan made sense. I'm not sure it's possible how Central can replace 10k old coin with 5k new coins, then claim its value is equivalent to 14k old coin. Maybe new coin uses more precious metals?


Just for your information. Take a look at two of my posts.
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=575555#msg20899583
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=570905&show=60#msg20824455


I haven't considered what happens on a contract breach in this world. ic, both issues really come down to government enforcing the new currency, and requiring contracts to be fulfilled. For unwilling nobles in Central Nation, Alliance would need some way to make Central enforce the contract.
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gophercg said:
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gophercg said:
I've never took econ class, so this was quite educational. Most of Merchant's wonderful plan made sense. I'm not sure it's possible how Central can replace 10k old coin with 5k new coins, then claim its value is equivalent to 14k old coin. Maybe new coin uses more precious metals?


Just for your information. Take a look at two of my posts.
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=575555#msg20899583
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=570905&show=60#msg20824455


I haven't considered what happens on a contract breach in this world. ic, both issues really come down to government enforcing the new currency, and requiring contracts to be fulfilled. For unwilling nobles in Central Nation, Alliance would need some way to make Central enforce the contract.


As for the foreseeable breach of contract, it seems highly unlikely for the Central Kingdom to act as an evenhanded arbitrator.
So, Merchant Youngster will make a simpler choice to realize the Alliance's securities rather than a much more difficult way such as a lawsuit.
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iam rather worried about the guy who had the info on guns getting killed and it falling into those guys hands.
Apr 11, 2013 4:44 AM

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Mage got split personality. XD
Maid lost her arm... o.o
Apr 13, 2013 4:41 AM

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Woah that arms, must be hurt >_<
That female mage @_@
Where's the other mages?
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Apr 25, 2013 9:48 PM

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And thus the battle begins.
May 5, 2013 6:43 AM

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struggling to see how they can wrap this up in one episode its a good series just not long enough, maybe a second season?
May 21, 2013 1:04 PM

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The pace quickened a lot this episode.
May 24, 2013 2:22 PM

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Damn things really got serious and fast! Poor head made :s it's actually sad to see the Demon King be like this :s but what is cool is the hero actually being a hero :D

The buildup towards the ending sure is there so let's see what happens in the final episode!
Jun 5, 2013 10:10 PM
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how does the hero have powers like flying, thunder??
how does he do this?? is there an episode where they explain this? please reply to me :(
Jun 10, 2013 3:09 AM
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MAOU. >___< WHAT HAPPENED?!
The sorceress is pretty harsh on her words, isn't she? XD
ONE EPISODE LEFT.
Jun 30, 2013 5:12 PM

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Maid Sama really did put up a fight, very curious of what her Headless Demon is, and what role he plays to her besides obviously being her Protector.
Sep 26, 2013 12:02 AM
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Finally something happens .
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This is quite educational anime, but as I hadn't any economics class ever, its difficult to understand.
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Wow the female mage actually did something xD
As much as I like this anime, the "my best friend becomes my posessed and I have to fight him" scenario is so old...
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