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Feb 12, 2012 10:22 AM

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Hmpf what kind of farce of piracy is this!
I know you should hardly expect the main crew to be the "bad guys" but people should not be be exited and fully compensated after a pirate raid^^

The appeal of piracy is freedom, and it seems like there was an awful lot of bureaucracy involved here.
Currently they look more like galactic entertainers..

Ah well I hope things change a bit further on, and hopefully there will be more character development and some actual introductions as to whom all the unique characters are.


In all honesty though, if it where not for the whole "pirate" team there would be no reason what so ever to watch this.
Feb 12, 2012 10:24 AM

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A most impressive and amazing episode. I was very excited by it. For one to make it short I really liked seeing Marika finally in her father’s room here. It does look nice. The most surprising however is the following,

As Marika says to her dead father "I have a long way to go" and falls asleep in the spoiler
along with the BGM got my a T_– tear out. Kind made me be there to cheer her up that she can make it. It really was a profound feeling for me at that part. Chiaki going away without her saying goodbye to Marika was not cool but what was cool is in the spoiler
and the view of when she was leaving but most importantly the fact she kept the trainee tag. It proves none the less that despite Marika's flaws and annoyance she still want to be friendly with her.

Perhaps of the details the Bentenmaru’s engines in the following,

Is what grasped me by a lot. They are well done and gorgeous.

About the preview, well for one I can be happy that Mami is with Marika at school so that means Marika is coming back to school and it’s nice that to get ready Marika continues to be clumsy. However what worries me is in the spoiler
OMG Marika is in critical conditions and that ship got investigated by me. TIME TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THIS: according to the blue prints in the spoiler
the Princess Apricot schematic that is featured tells me the order of what ships may become the enemies of the Bentenmaru. According to what follows, My Lord! Jabberwocky at 6'o'clock with some with those other ships being Corback Class Space Battleships. Holy shit! Shit is going down in the next episode. More over Jabberwocky may be a Space Battleship too. Suffice to say next episode is going to be wild! May edit later.
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Sure i know piracy isn't something that should be taken seriously in this show. And i'm not sure if i grasp everything that's going on, but is it me or the whole piracy's premise is so badly fucked up that it doesn't make sense?
How i undertand it by now is, pirates are oficially recognized by government that doesn't give a fuck about thier doings, but with a Letter or Marque the pirates aren't actually pirates yet they have to do some piracy within 50 days since receiving the letter. Then comes the thing with actual attack of pirate ships, people are happy they're getting robed by pirates and the ship they are on is going to cover their stolen valuables.

Seems like you just can't depend on logic in this one, let's just take it easy and enjoy whatever they do, i guess.
Agreed, while it's not a serious anime, I still expected for piracy here to make some sense... they could have just applied a similar concept to privateers so as not to think it too much, but instead they went with the absurd...
I don't understand WTF at the complaint since the whole Princess Apricot was a staging and was not meant to be taken seriously. It was all staged people. I don't with which connections and shit but that is what it made it look like.
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Feb 12, 2012 10:32 AM

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Quite an enjoyable episode
Every episode keeps on getting better
Feb 12, 2012 10:53 AM

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I don't understand WTF at the complaint since the whole Princess Apricot was a staging and was not meant to be taken seriously. It was all staged people. I don't with which connections and shit but that is what it made it look like.


Where did they say it was staged?


Also, a Jabberwocky is after the Bentenmaru? Hope they got their vorpal guns ready
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Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM

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Wordsmith said:
Yumekichi11 said:
I don't understand WTF at the complaint since the whole Princess Apricot was a staging and was not meant to be taken seriously. It was all staged people. I don't with which connections and shit but that is what it made it look like.


Where did they say it was staged?
Misa mentions it and Kane goes ahead probably to setup things with people there. Who knows who but it looks like that to me. Normally you do not give out any warning to any ship when you raid it. It's supposed to be a surprise.
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Also, a Jabberwocky is after the Bentenmaru? Hope they got their vorpal guns ready
Well they do fire some guns. What is Vorpal again? Link to that?

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Yumekichi11 said:
Wordsmith said:
Yumekichi11 said:
I don't understand WTF at the complaint since the whole Princess Apricot was a staging and was not meant to be taken seriously. It was all staged people. I don't with which connections and shit but that is what it made it look like.

Where did they say it was staged?
Misa mentions it and Kane goes ahead probably to setup things with people there. Who knows who but it looks like that to me. Normally you do not give out any warning to any ship when you raid it. It's supposed to be a surprise.
Well, remember they are "polite" pirates. Anyway, it's obviously staged but just by the pirates. The robbery per se didn't seem fake.
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Also, a Jabberwocky is after the Bentenmaru? Hope they got their vorpal guns ready
Well they do fire some guns. What is Vorpal again? Link to that?
It's a reference to Alice in Wonderland (or more precisely the second part, Through the Looking Glass.) The Vorpal Sword is the weapon used to slay the Jabberwocky.
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Feb 12, 2012 12:29 PM
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Yumekichi11 said:
Misa mentions it and Kane goes ahead probably to setup things with people there. Who knows who but it looks like that to me. Normally you do not give out any warning to any ship when you raid it. It's supposed to be a surprise.


I don't think Misa meant Kane was setting anything up with the ship or crew, he was just going there to be ready for when Marika boarded the ship so he could fight her. The girls Kane was talking to thought pirates didn't exist so they obviously didn't know that the Bentenmaru was coming.

I think the only thing "staged" here was the fight between Marika and Kane. When the Bentenmaru first showed up, the passengers were all laughs and applause because they thought it was just a show/joke but they all seemed pretty shocked when Marika "killed" Kane. Marika "killing" Kane convinced the passengers that this wasn't a joke but an actual robbery, thus making them willing to hand over their valuables without a fight.

edit: Also, Misa mentions that they are going to use electronic warfare on the cruise ship to take it over. If it was all staged they wouldn't have needed to do that.
Feb 12, 2012 12:47 PM

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Well, it might have been somewhat staged, but I think it was just to see if everything works according to plan and to set the mood. Also, after witnessing the staged fight, the people handed over their valuables much more willingly.
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I think the only thing "staged" here was the fight between Marika and Kane. When the Bentenmaru first showed up, the passengers were all laughs and applause because they thought it was just a show/joke but they all seemed pretty shocked when Marika "killed" Kane. Marika "killing" Kane convinced the passengers that this wasn't a joke but an actual robbery, thus making them willing to hand over their valuables without a fight.


but when Marika was making her announcement werent they talking (on a bridge) that that cruise was lucky as this time captain of ship was a girl?
So it seems like a repeating actions here - not to mention that it was better to do it more theatrical way than involve in actual battle - people on that ship were rich so state wouldn't be so pleased with their death. And this way everyone is happy (except insurance) - pirates got their cash, people got some entertainment and life goes on.

PS. And it seems a bit that this Empire is rather easygoing. Ok states within can have their policies, with pirvateers, armies and whatnot... but it may act if it sees that their interest are in danger. And for now it's not the case here.
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DarthObsidian said:
Yumekichi11 said:
Misa mentions it and Kane goes ahead probably to setup things with people there. Who knows who but it looks like that to me. Normally you do not give out any warning to any ship when you raid it. It's supposed to be a surprise.


I don't think Misa meant Kane was setting anything up with the ship or crew, he was just going there to be ready for when Marika boarded the ship so he could fight her. The girls Kane was talking to thought pirates didn't exist so they obviously didn't know that the Bentenmaru was coming.

I think the only thing "staged" here was the fight between Marika and Kane. When the Bentenmaru first showed up, the passengers were all laughs and applause because they thought it was just a show/joke but they all seemed pretty shocked when Marika "killed" Kane. Marika "killing" Kane convinced the passengers that this wasn't a joke but an actual robbery, thus making them willing to hand over their valuables without a fight.

edit: Also, Misa mentions that they are going to use electronic warfare on the cruise ship to take it over. If it was all staged they wouldn't have needed to do that.
Fair enough, you got me. Makes sense now.

I still find it weird Cruise Liners now offer insurance against theft but other than that yeah you got me good on that one.

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Feb 12, 2012 2:24 PM
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So it seems I am in the minority for seriously disliking this episode and worrying about where Tatsuo wants to take this story. First of all, the episode direction was horrible.

The application process was clumsily executed and seemed to be there just to fill time for the second part. In the second part, we had a sequence of training sessions with members of Bentenmaru that were never introduced to us (and therefore mean nothing) which again were mostly fast-forward without any meaningful interaction between the characters. That is normally ok, introducing the members post facto is not a bad thing, but when you see a monstrous guy for the first time and Marika is nonchalantly calling him by his first name, you do feel left out as a viewer in a way you shouldn't be.

Then we see the execution of a plan that came out of nowhere. I am the kind of viewer who wants to see how such plans are made, what their parameters are, what people were thinking as they are crafting them. That way, we could have some character introductions and development. Instead, we only see a sequence of actions; at least to me, this is not enough. I want to see fleshed out characters think and act and interact with each other. That is what Tatsuo had given us in his previous anime, especially Stellvia and Nadesico. Perhaps the first part of the episode could have been used for that instead of the meaningless application process.

Concerning legal piracy in times of peace, it is simply an unrealistic premise (and one that invites plot holes like cheese invites Jerry) that we all agreed to accept when we started watching this anime. I just wish the passengers on the boarded ship reacted more realistically to having their valuables (possibly objects of sentimental value etc) stolen. Furthermore, since this is not an isolated incident, I do not see how the powerful elites could tolerate such incidents being state sanctioned without lobbying (undoubtedly successfully) for the elimination of this silly tradition. However, this is all small print. I am perfectly ok with the premise, my main quips were in the previous paragraph. Oh well, here's hoping for the best; may the vision of Stellvia guide Tatsuo's mind. After all, there is at least one Glennorth in the crew of the Odette II.

About Guybrush Threepwood: Monkey Island is a fantastic series, any fan of pirates (or adventure games) should check it out. The first game (which is also my favorite) is quite easy so newcomers should not have much trouble finishing it.
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Yumekichi11 said:

Fair enough, you got me. Makes sense now.

I still find it weird Cruise Liners now offer insurance against theft but other than that yeah you got me good on that one.


Well, it's probably not the first time that a cruise ship has been robbed, so it's reasonable that the company that owned this cruise ship would want insurance just in case something happened.
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DarthObsidian said:
Yumekichi11 said:

Fair enough, you got me. Makes sense now.

I still find it weird Cruise Liners now offer insurance against theft but other than that yeah you got me good on that one.


Well, it's probably not the first time that a cruise ship has been robbed, so it's reasonable that the company that owned this cruise ship would want insurance just in case something happened.
Well what is weird is that most people though the pirates never existed so the insurance should be popular enough to make into market less that never changed since the times the pirates were very active.

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Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM

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So pirates raiding is like freak show in the outer space.
Feb 12, 2012 4:27 PM

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Yea, had me surprised as well ... a staged pirate raid as a social even / entertainment program for the folks traveling on a cruise liner ... certainly not was I was expecting, but I really enjoyed this episode.

It did not feel slow-paced as well. Well ... I did try to consider what some wrote in the threads about past episodes ... that this show is not supposed to be "action", but the opening (visually and the music) somehow does not create the right atmosphere for a simple drama bloated with pointless dialogues ... so I hope it will continue like it is now. :)
Feb 12, 2012 4:40 PM
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Yea, had me surprised as well ... a staged pirate raid as a social even / entertainment program for the folks traveling on a cruise liner ... certainly not was I was expecting, but I really enjoyed this episode.

(sigh) I'm going to hang up a big sign that says "That was not a staged entertainment show. The ship was high-jacked and the passengers were robbed. The fight between Kane and Marika was staged only so that they could convince the passengers that if they resisted they would be killed."
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This episode just made the all legendary space piracy a huge joke.
Feb 12, 2012 8:47 PM

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Dalek-baka said:
So it seems like a repeating actions here - not to mention that it was better to do it more theatrical way than involve in actual battle - people on that ship were rich so state wouldn't be so pleased with their death. And this way everyone is happy (except insurance) - pirates got their cash, people got some entertainment and life goes on.


You're forgetting that the passengers got to watch a cold-blooded murder in real-time. I can't imagine that they'll be going home telling their friends that they need to book a trip on the same cruise line 'cause it was really fun.
Feb 12, 2012 9:07 PM
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Best episode yet. Damn Marika is funny. I love how clueless she is.
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I'm gonna get thrown under the bus for this but I feel like Mouretsu Pirates is similarly doing to Pirates what Twilight did to Vampires. Just taking a warp perspective on a idea to please a specific audience type.

Ep.6 proved my fears and confirmed it's gonna be the same old boring though and through.

Not boring as in unexciting. Boring as in for a show about space pirates there's just not enough explosions, lasers, and huge ship on ship battles >:P
Feb 12, 2012 11:37 PM

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^^ Well it is 26 episodes, plenty of time to develop some more serious story elements.

As for the ep pretty decent. Overall the show is exceeding my low expectations. I face-palmed when I read the description in the winter preview a while back.

(Just caught up)
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Cratex said:
(sigh) I'm going to hang up a big sign that says "That was not a staged entertainment show. The ship was high-jacked and the passengers were robbed. The fight between Kane and Marika was staged only so that they could convince the passengers that if they resisted they would be killed."


Well yea, sorry for that. Though you would have to be a very special person to believe in a death scene that ends with the collapsing person a) having time to utter exactly one word AND b) that being 無念.
Feb 13, 2012 2:36 AM
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This is the only one episode that doesn't make me confuse and easy to understand lol and I think this is the most interesting episode out of all.

Maintaining a high cost battleship are expensive and difficult.So The all powerful galactic guy uses Pirate(or mercenary) to include their military when needed.
The pirate stole those good and later the customer claim back from the insurance. Not to mention that The pirate need to give back the item(in cash) to the insurance company and the pirate earn favour from the insurance company.

The princess Apricot is suppose to be at the first chapter.It should be half a year after she become a pirate, but it seems that the Anime change a bit . lol I thought the Anime totally ignore that part.
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Though you would have to be a very special person to believe in a death scene that ends with the collapsing person a) having time to utter exactly one word AND b) that being 無念.

But I AM a very special person ;)
Feb 13, 2012 6:59 AM

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Probably the merriest pirate attack I have ever witnessed. Marika's little trick was nice, though from the preview it seems that things will become more serious next time, something I'm looking forward to. Favorite show of the season so far, love the characters (especially Marika and Chiaki-chan) and their interaction, the slowly unfolding plot and the emphasis on the technical details (even if they have a slight problem with fully grasping gravity at certain parts). 5/5.
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Maintaining a high cost battleship are expensive and difficult.So The all powerful galactic guy uses Pirate(or mercenary) to include their military when needed.
The pirate stole those good and later the customer claim back from the insurance. Not to mention that The pirate need to give back the item(in cash) to the insurance company and the pirate earn favour from the insurance company.
So that's how it is from the novel?

It's even dumber than I thought, how are the pirates supposed to cover their expenses if they have to pay back what they steal? And not only they are government bitches but corporate too? ...

I had low expectations on this and yet I still feel disappointed.
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Feb 13, 2012 7:16 AM
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...Well, if I did not read it wrongly.I think they did return back the goods to the insurance company(even Kane also mentioned that as well) since the goods the passenger at princess apricot pay high insurance for their flight.I only read vol1(ep1-ep6) but maybe they will mentioned how they really earn the money later on. Maybe kidnapping a few passenger for ransom would be a good idea lol
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but maybe they will mentioned how they really earn the money later on. Maybe kidnapping a few passenger for ransom would be a good idea lol


Maybe polishing the jewels and removing dried residues of cosmetics from between the chain links ... charging for the service on returning the "spoils".

... actually looking at some aspects of the show I'd only be 70% surprised if that were the case. :D
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I'm gonna get thrown under the bus for this but I feel like Mouretsu Pirates is similarly doing to Pirates what Twilight did to Vampires. Just taking a warp perspective on a idea to please a specific audience type.


oh than we should start with XIX century literature :) as then our picture of pirate was developed... and all movies, books and series from then repeat same stories and fairy tales (like 80% of things we think they were doing)

BTW if someone wants to check how it was really happening there is story of Nuestra Señora de la Concepción - - few shots, good PR and no unnecessary problems to deal with (like wounded crew-members dying around)

and nice quote rounding things up
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MorningGlory said:
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...Well, if I did not read it wrongly.I think they did return back the goods to the insurance company(even Kane also mentioned that as well) since the goods the passenger at princess apricot pay high insurance for their flight.I only read vol1(ep1-ep6) but maybe they will mentioned how they really earn the money later on. Maybe kidnapping a few passenger for ransom would be a good idea lol


Are you sure they are not selling back the items to the insurance company? It would make more sense this way.
To have money, they would need to sell the valuables and a shop would buy for below the original buying price whereas the insurance, since they would need to reimburse the full price for the items+their "sentimental value", so it would be cheaper for the insurance to buy the items back to give them to the insured passengers while the pirates could ask a better sell price.
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Insurance companies...

Not following the discussion there. I've not read the printed source material for this show, so I can't talk to that. What *I* got out of the raid was the following:

1) The officers of the Bentenmaru have picked out an easy prize for Marika's first official act as a pirate. Having paid attention to Misa's history lesson earlier, I assume it is a ship flagged by one of the other colonies that Sea of the Morning Star maintains a low level conflict with (carried over from the wars fought before the Galactic Empire took over), using the privateers as proxies to avoid causing to much trouble with the Galactic Empire authorities. Again, according to Misa's history lesson, the Galactic Empire tends to overlook such things as long as they don't get out of hand, since they don't want the expense of policing everybody.

2) Kane went ahead to get onto the target ship to act as a normal passenger, but with the plan that when Marika arrived he would challenge her to a duel. She would eventually "shoot" him to give the passengers the impression that death would be the fate of any passengers that resisted. Intimidation, pure and simple.

3) Kane seems to be thinking of himself as a lady's man (hinted at a couple of times so far, though in his defense he is single), and was flirting with those two girls. When they became distressed at the idea of being robbed, he off-handily mentioned that the cruise company's insurance would reimburse them for losses on the trip. Regardless, it fit in with his intended role of gallant hero who would try to save the day (all gallant heroes have to reassure the ladies - it's a rule).

4) the passengers reactions to the arrival of the pirates gave every indication they either though it would be a cool adventure, or it was something organized by the cruise company - seems reasonable if "everybody" assumes pirates are a thing of the past. Kane's "death" changed their reactions 180 degrees - you can see their mouths hitting the floor in the background as his body hits the floor.

5) The crew of the Bentenmaru takes in a small pile of cash, jewels and expensive accessories. Most likely not enough to cover expenses for the month, but something is better than nothing. Randoms would be messy so no hostages were taken. The ship itself would be difficult to fence, and it wasn't carrying any cargo worth taking, so the ship was let go along with the passengers.

Nothing more, nothing less. I did not get an impression that the pirates were in any deal with the cruise company, any insurance company, or otherwise. The execution certainly was flashy, but pirates historically were a flashy bunch. I really wish the show had clarified just exactly what the status of the target ship was, but they probably didn't feel that was necessary.
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Dalek-baka said:
LordLagann said:
I'm gonna get thrown under the bus for this but I feel like Mouretsu Pirates is similarly doing to Pirates what Twilight did to Vampires. Just taking a warp perspective on a idea to please a specific audience type.


oh than we should start with XIX century literature :) as then our picture of pirate was developed... and all movies, books and series from then repeat same stories and fairy tales (like 80% of things we think they were doing)

BTW if someone wants to check how it was really happening there is story of Nuestra Señora de la Concepción - - few shots, good PR and no unnecessary problems to deal with (like wounded crew-members dying around)

and nice quote rounding things up


No idea what you just said but I understood your "spoiler".

Have you even seen Ep.6? There's just so many things wrong about their "pirating" they seem to have purposely included to please the PG-13 fans. I also am confused as to why "Legal Pirates" need to operate under jurisdiction if they are just going to rob other ships. That's just a poor business model.

At this point it just seems like a bunch of hypocrites playing Pirates. They carry about like there's there's no risk in robbery just because their protected by some words written on a piece of paper. I'm waiting for things to hit the fan and get real, none of this "space fairy tail, no one gets hurt, killing is immoral" shtick they have going on.
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Have you even seen Ep.6?


Nope. Should I?

There's just so many things wrong about their "pirating" they seem to have purposely included to please the PG-13 fans. I also am confused as to why "Legal Pirates" need to operate under jurisdiction if they are just going to rob other ships. That's just a poor business model.


Than go check on what is the difference between pirate and privateer. And why most succesfull people in this job were working for one state or another, they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable.

At this point it just seems like a bunch of hypocrites playing Pirates. They carry about like there's there's no risk in robbery just because their protected by some words written on a piece of paper. I'm waiting for things to hit the fan and get real, none of this "space fairy tail, no one gets hurt, killing is immoral" shtick they have going on.


Than it seems that what you want is that it would follow some fairy tales of bloody battles on seas - fine by me. And that whole training part, it indicated that they are quite serious about it.
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Nope. Should I?


Yeah you should...


Than go check on what is the difference between pirate and privateer. And why most succesfull people in this job were working for one state or another, they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable.


There is no moral difference. They both steal, raid, and loot. Just because one has permission to doesn't mean their any different then the people who don't. As far as profiting goes there's just no sense if there are labels you must abide by in ships to loot from and ships you don't. Your basically slashing profits by limiting your market, which blows your "wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable" bit out of the water.

Than it seems that what you want is that it would follow some sea fairy tales of bloody battles on seas - fine by me. And that whole training part, it indicated that they are quite serious about it.


I'm not talking about the training part, it's understandable that they start off with some small fish so the new and inexperienced captain would get the hang of things. It's how they did it, or how the direction of the entire scene went, that bothers me.

I mean seriously? There were no guards from the cruise line, no intimidating or malice intent from the pirate crew members, or the fact that it was staged makes me question the authenticity of this "practice run" when a real run would involve completely different variables [I.E actually hurting someone].

What I look forward to doesn't have to be bloody, just has to be real; has to be raw, unscripted, natural. Everything so far seems to coincide with the premise of the story but Ep.6 just made no sense, or at least they left about crucial details and masquerade everything to seem like your watching a PG-13 space version of Pirates from the 1700's.
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So hilarious and over the top, I loved it!
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LordLagann said:

There is no moral difference. They both steal, raid, and loot. Just because one has permission to doesn't mean their any different then the people who don't. As far as profiting goes there's just no sense if there are labels you must abide by in ships to loot from and ships you don't. Your basically slashing profits by limiting your market, which blows your "wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable" bit out of the water.


With first part I agree there is no difference. They do the same thing.
About second... if you just rob everyone, quite quickly you may angry a lot of people who can send few well armed ships against you. In a short run it's more profitable but things like bounties put on you, lack of supply may be problematic.
On the other side you lose part of money, yes... but you may bothered by less oponents, go to some port for supplies or even if you're good enough get some reward.
And my argument is perfectly fine - since lots of people were doing this in history.


I mean seriously? There were no guards from the cruise line, no intimidating or malice intent from the pirate crew members, or the fact that it was staged makes me question the authenticity of this "practice run" when a real run would involve completely different variables [I.E actually hurting someone].


This I don't know - if it was staged than I might agree. But if it wasn't - killing someone is kind of good way to intimidate. What it was is up to everyones opinion.
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With first part I agree there is no difference. They do the same thing.
About second... if you just rob everyone, quite quickly you may angry a lot of people who can send few well armed ships against you. In a short run it's more profitable but things like bounties put on you, lack of supply may be problematic.
On the other side you lose part of money, yes... but you may bothered by less oponents, go to some port for supplies or even if you're good enough get some reward.
And my argument is perfectly fine - since lots of people were doing this in history.


Your talking about two things that don't relate to each other.

A Pirate is FOR profit. Having bounties put on you and taking more risky endeavors is all apart of being a Pirate for the sake of loot.

A Privateer is anything BUT profit. They are take only what they are allowed to take and as much as they deem fit. Half of their job is to impose economical harassment on behalf of the government that they're employed under.

Your argument is not fine since you insisted that the crew is in it for profit, which clearly is wrong if they are true Privateer's and most likely have other aspirations as well.

It's reasonable since the war has ended that these "privateers" have lost their "duty" to the government and are merely parading around space playing pirates under the guise and protection of the privateer laws imposed hundreds of years ago.

This I don't know - if it was staged than I might agree. But if it wasn't - killing someone is kind of good way to intimidate. What it was is up to everyones opinion.


Things might clear up with the next episode as it might follow up on Ep.6. As of now it's just confusing as to what exactly they are doing and which side of the spectrum they belong to.
Feb 13, 2012 6:18 PM
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Best episode of the show, easily.
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Aw, now there's non-centrifugal artificial gravity. I liked the illusion of moderately hard scifi.
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Feb 13, 2012 8:25 PM

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Because of this episode this show went from an 8 to a 10! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!! This show knows EXACTLY what it wants to be. It's so straight forward and mixes action and comedy in this odd but brilliant way. I LOVED Marika's first pirating. I was laughing so hard. This show just makes me smile. This is one of THE best anime's I've seen period. simply splendid!!!!
Feb 13, 2012 9:03 PM

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This episode really shows that Pirates has been one of the most consistent show’s this season, but it isn’t really a surprise as to why that’s the case. It’s evident with each episode the time the producers are taking to really prepare the series for when it does take off. And while they are doing a very solid job at developing the setting and Marika’s character, I do hope that some of the other crew member’s characters (specifically Chiaki) get the same treatment eventually. Chiaki in particular pikes my interest mainly because the show has introduced her in a way where one becomes naturally curious about her. The fact that she’s not a shy character, yet is voiced by Kana Hanazawa further adds to my curiosity.


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I think this series will have been worth the 5 episode wait. It was frustrating, but it has set up a nice pace. This episode was great my only complaint being the unusual reaction of the passengers (even if it was explained).

I wonder how long this 'newb' arc will be.
Feb 13, 2012 9:36 PM
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The beach episode aversion in the opening scene was a stroke of absolute genius.
Feb 13, 2012 9:58 PM

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Great fucking episode. Finally we get some actual pirating.
Feb 14, 2012 1:48 AM

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Wasabi said:
This episode just made the all legendary space piracy a huge joke.
I agree with Wasabi in terms of Albator. I did find it offending towards that. I do hope it ups itself to some standards to Albator because that is #1 in Space Pirates animes.

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Lmfao that was hilarious, the lights shining on them, Marika walking elegantly, haha it was like a side attraction. Like Kane said, pirates are really rare at the time that they're in and actually getting robbed by one would be a once in a lifetime experience, especially when they don't lose nothing. So everyone thought of it as something fun, well until Kane got shot and faked his death lol.

This was a good way to introduce Marika into piracy, something easy and sort of like a practice run. I am sure there's gunna be some real fighting and etc later on, at least I hope. Marika's personality is just so awesome, and she sure looks good in that pirate outfit. I just love her, great mc. Anyway greatttttt episode, looking forward to more.
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Sure i know piracy isn't something that should be taken seriously in this show. And i'm not sure if i grasp everything that's going on, but is it me or the whole piracy's premise is so badly fucked up that it doesn't make sense?
How i undertand it by now is, pirates are oficially recognized by government that doesn't give a fuck about thier doings, but with a Letter or Marque the pirates aren't actually pirates yet they have to do some piracy within 50 days since receiving the letter. Then comes the thing with actual attack of pirate ships, people are happy they're getting robed by pirates and the ship they are on is going to cover their stolen valuables.

Seems like you just can't depend on logic in this one, let's just take it easy and enjoy whatever they do, i guess.


well basically they are not pirates but privateers - so all those state regulations make sense (like in did in past in reality), they can perform certain actions, some not but all is based on that documents made by government. That's why there is also part with all those documents.
and that scene of attack - for me it seems (if we need to apply logic here) as some kind of attraction that people can have during cruise, like clowns or trained animals - it's safe for passengers, as they won't loose life or money due to insurance, so they are happy to see such a show. Real life example would be hard to find... ok once I read about partisants in some Asian country (Nepal?) that were doing similar things to get money from tourists.
Of course all of above fits if we would like to take it 100% seriously :)


Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
And why would any insurance company agree to such a thing? Insurance companies will certainly have a problem paying for such attractions and will demand that ether the government stops giving a license to those pirates acting freely or that it doesn't have to pay in case of pirate theft. And if the insurance has a clause that gets it out of that problem then things get complicated about people seeing this pirates as a fun time.
Also i don't get why is the government even giving this pirates license to do their stuff.

Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.

Btw who let this guy escape from Gundam.

And that's a killer outfit that pirate lady had.
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Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
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Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.


And why not violence? They are pirates after all. If other crew won't buy their show and surrender than probably they will start shooting at them. In this case it didn't happen but electronic warfare looks rather like preparation for such an event.
Why the state is doing it? Well maybe in course of some war or something it's a waste to send your shiny and expensive ship while you can simply send some pirates, that no one will care if they are gone. Just guessing (real life example can also help here).
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Dalek-baka said:
Monad said:

Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
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Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.


And why not violence? They are pirates after all. If other crew won't buy their show and surrender than probably they will start shooting at them. In this case it didn't happen but electronic warfare looks rather like preparation for such an event.
Why the state is doing it? Well maybe in course of some war or something it's a waste to send your shiny and expensive ship while you can simply send some pirates, that no one will care if they are gone. Just guessing (real life example can also help here).


Well you forget this supposed pirates can go around because they are allowed to. Wouldn't killing innocent people change the happy little show to something more tragic and make the government think of their status twice since it will give the government a really bad image?
Also this pirate guys are training Marika to be their captain. They must very well realized what kind of person she is. She is not the kind tat will kill simple innocent people that refused to give a ring or a wallet so that really means that they do not consider such a problem even arising which is kind of ridiculous.
As about the shiny new ship. I hardly think overpower-full governments care much about that staff ether. They get everything from taxing people so they don't give a shit. Politicians won't send their children but other peoples children and ships are build by the money of other people so they care not.
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Monad said:

Well you forget this supposed pirates can go around because they are allowed to. Wouldn't killing innocent people change the happy little show to something more tragic and make the government think of their status twice since it will give the government a really bad image?


That's why probably they are making this show in the first place - to avoid that situation.

Also this pirate guys are training Marika to be their captain. They must very well realized what kind of person she is. She is not the kind tat will kill simple innocent people that refused to give a ring or a wallet so that really means that they do not consider such a problem even arising which is kind of ridiculous.


As above plus this target was probably the easiest one (if they will get that stuff back - there was something like this mentioned here) to deal with. It's rather unlikely that someone will start to shoot on a ship full of rich people. Plus it's a cruise not merchant ship so it's defences can't be to strong.

As about the shiny new ship. I hardly think overpower-full governments care much about that staff ether. They get everything from taxing people so they don't give a shit. Politicians won't send their children but other peoples children and ships are build by the money of other people so they care not.


I would agree with sending people (they probably don't care) but ships are a bit more expensive and time consuming to replace. So why even bother if someone else can do your job - and just in case you can say that you have nothing to do with it.
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